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Newcastle Likely To Settle With Keegan Out Of Court

10:17 am, Sunday, February 15th, 2009 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 56 Comments

There have been hints in the past that Mike Ashley would settle out of court with Kevin Keegan, and now the case is due to be heard early next month.

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Kevin Keegan – Ashley to settle out of court?

This morning, the Sunday Sun is reporting that Ashley seems ready to do a deal with Kevin before the tribunal even starts.

It seems like both sides are keen to head off any showdown, and the Newcastle United club are now expected to agree to some pay-off  for Keegan. Can you imagine the media frenzy at the tribunal if no agreement has been reached?

That will hardly be good for Newcastle or Keegan, and it’s the last thing we want to see, because there’s been too much of that surrounding Newcastle this season, that’s for sure.

Keegan is claiming £8M from Newcastle for constructive dismissal, while the club have counter-claimed and are demanding £2M from Keegan for breach of contract.

If the case does go ahead and is not settled before the tribunal begins, it would be heard in private by a three-man Premier League arbitration panel, and it would not be heard in public.

The likelihood is that the case will be settled before the case comes to trial, and that would be good.  But why has Ashley waited this long to settle?  Surely it would have been better to get this thing settled a few months back.

But we’d still like to know what exactly happened that caused Kevin to leave Newcastle, because that was a huge blow to the club, and we don’t even want to think where we’d be in the league right now, if Kevin had stayed and had been fully supported by the Newcastle Board.

Don’t forget we got 4 points from our first 3 league games, and had beaten Coventry in the Carling Cup, before Kevin left.

If an agreement is reached The Sunday Sun is reporting that the arbitration panel will still sit, but only to formally ratify whatever has been agreed between Keegan and the Newcastle United club.

Comments welcome.



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56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 valle // Feb 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

    That hard cold facts of the matter is that KK has always walked out on any job he ever had… He has a troubled football circus and are 4 million in debt on that account as far as i can gather… As much as we love KK for what he helped doing the first time around, he is in no way innocent in all of this, even if DL and DW was getting on his nerves… Furthermore, demanding 8 MILL from the club is absolutly insane, he walked out himself, and it is us the fans who will have to pay for his debts if he gets anything near that amount.

  • 2 DanToon // Feb 15, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Wipe my arse with the Sun!

  • 3 valle // Feb 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    that = the ofc*

  • 4 nufc1818 // Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

    valle
    i agree completely mate!
    it just shows how much he really cares about the club
    i dont respect him AT ALL anymore
    everyone says that they are doing it quietly out of court cos the board have something to hide but has anyone thought it could be keegan not wanting it to be in the press…. NO
    cos he is the great messiah of course cant slate him for what he has done
    because in all honesty he has left the club in a mess it shows where his loyalities lie
    yes ashley has made mistakes
    but so has keegan but he doesnt get the endless hatred
    now this protest before the everton match is just ridiculous unsettling the players AGAIN.
    and make geordies look thick again
    well i will not be taking part in the protest but make sure you get the write spellings on your banners this time boys :|

  • 5 geordie jock // Feb 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    The true facts will never come out. The out of court settlement will probably insist Keegan keeps his mouth shut amd Ashley will give us some cock and bull story.

  • 6 Alex // Feb 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM

    i will just be pleased when the KK episode is finally put to an end . its been dragging the club down for far too long and i am sick of it . Let them reach a settlement so the club can concentrate on moving on .

  • 7 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM

    I believe there will only be 2 outcomes. Ashley wins the case or it is burried with NO compensation paid to KK.

    The club financial accounts will be issued in time. If a payment is made to KK then it is tantamount to an admission of some wrong, so I expect it not to be made. If a deal such as that was going to be made it would have been made before the recent PR releases and before the accounts – no better time to burry bad news than in a war.

    So in summary – irrespective of this useless Journalism – it will be an Ashley victory or an agreement to call it quits on boths sides without payment being made.

  • 8 Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?) // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    Surely the club must have done KK wrong for him to walk away and then coming back to sue the management. Can we blame him for walking away? Well, you can, but not after the complete truth has been made known. Fact is, if the ongoings are too shady to be revealed, the truth will be covered up and never be revealed. Meanwhile, you can all blame KK for walking out.

  • 9 Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?) // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    Stardust, KK is having a court case with the management of the club, a settlement out of court means some form of monetary compensation must be made to KK in order for him to drop the lawsuit. It is impossible for both sides to agree something without any payment.

  • 10 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM

    Toon KSK No thats incorrect – they just dont go ahead with the proceedings – a settlement need not be made and the proceedings are dropped.

    They had confidentiality agreements before the fall out and they stand to this point and I imagine will be future proofed too.

    At the minute its only a tribunal too. Anyway youre assumptions are a little off.

  • 11 Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?) // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

    It just a possible assumption, just like yours. I’ll still disagree with your pov though.

  • 12 valle // Feb 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

    Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?) // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    Surely the club must have done KK wrong for him to walk away and then coming back to sue the management. Can we blame him for walking away? Well, you can, but not after the complete truth has been made known. Fact is, if the ongoings are too shady to be revealed, the truth will be covered up and never be revealed. Meanwhile, you can all blame KK for walking out.

    We all have diagreements in life, we just handle them different. But dosnt it tell you something that everywhere KK has gone, he has walked out?… I mean is it the entire world that is wrong and KK is right?… People are kiddin themselves if they beleive KK is after anything but money in this case, and he couldnt give sh*t about us or the club he was supposed to love… He wants 8 mill from the club ffs!!!, who do you think will suffer?, where will that money come from?… You can bet that if 8 mill were to disapeer, then there would be 8 mill less for transfers… KK does not deserve ANY affection from the toon army… If you want a former manager who is a geordie hero, look to Sir Bobby. Even after his disgracefull dismissal by FFS, he still comes to every match he can muster while fighting cancer as well… NOW THATS A HERO

  • 13 debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

    Some people seem to have a tenuous grasp of the relevant legal matters, and really shouldn’t make silly assumptions.

    This case was never going to be heard at an employment tribunal due to the compensation amount; if this case is settled out of court, which in lieu of it being heard at a tribunal mediation hearing (whereby the Appellant and Respondent have an informal hearing with a judicial judge in an attempt to make a preliminary settlement) simply means an admission of guilt on the part of the Respondent – you CANNOT settle out of such a court without renumeration to the Appellant i.e. either reinstatement of their previous job title and/or financial compensation.

    So please, if you are going to speak with a misguided air of authority on such matters, be prepared to be ‘shot down’ so to speak.

  • 14 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    Stardust, yer right. It would be stupid for Ashley to settle out of court, otherwise the idiots will just take this as an admission of guilt.

  • 15 clinta // Feb 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    If the club settles with KK out of court will never hear the real story behind what happened…

  • 16 Tommy_PA // Feb 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM

    Here we go again with the “Keegan is a quitter” routine, there’s always two points of view and there is always an argument that he stood up and did the right thing or didn’t fight hard enough and walked away.

    Whatever the case my reasoning is that Keegan in the past has been up front with the fans.

    The splits with NUFC have involved:

    1) The Shepherd/Hall empire, so for all of those who are so adamant about Keegan’s wrongdoing there, look at who the competition is in that case.

    2) The current regime, which financial arguments aside, have been less than honest and up front.

    A settlement out of court is about risk and image, can you risk the maximum payout if you lose and the damage it causes to reputation etc. I don’t think either thinks they can take the risk, remembering that Keegan could stand to lose a substantial amount as well as the club (and therefore Ashley).

    I am sure a requirement will be a confidentiality agreement, so yes we will probably never know. I guess we could find out if Ashley sold and the new regime did not care about the agreement at that point, but I’ll leave that to legal boys….

  • 17 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    It will end up going to the High Court for final arbitration.

  • 18 debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    It will be held, if it gets that far, at a PFA tribunal hearing. You cannot just escalate a hearing to the High court, you have to go through the requisite channels e.g. an Industrial Injuries appeal would go through the Tribunals Service, and then unto the Upper Tribunal (formally known as the Commissioners Office).

    As previously stated, unless you have a decent grasp of employment law, or any legal standpoint for that matter, you only serve to highlight your lack of understanding. Stop googling for information and read up a bit more.

  • 19 geordie deb // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM

    plenty of businesses make out of court settlements to ex employees just to get them out of their hair and quietly deal with the situation. I think no matter the rights and wrongs of the case, for the good of the club and to make sure the focus stays on premiership survival rather then dealing with a media feeding frenzy the club should come to some agreement with KK so everyone can put the whole sorry episode behind them. Keegan is an idol to me I remember standing in the Gallowgate for his first match when he joined as a player etc etc and the best times watching newcastle were when he was manager first time round, but I can’t help but feel let down by him this time as he left us in a really dificult situation, no matter what the circumstances he was dealing with. Jesus we all have to put up with c*ap every day but you have to get on with it. Lets hope it comes to a close soon and we can put it behind us.
    On another note what are the protesters thinking – can’t we just all get behind the club? For the first time in months some positive vibes are starting to happen and some people still want to have their say no matter how that is portrayed yet again in the media. Well these people don’t represent my views and frankly I’m ashamed that they feel vindicated to do this

  • 20 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM

    debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    “It will be held, if it gets that far, at a PFA tribunal hearing.”

    Debaser, I know that you condescending little pratt, but I have the feeling that Ashley will fight this case all the way.

  • 21 ObaMartins // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM

    Ashley will settle out of court so as to keep the TRUTH from coming OUT…lets not backstab KK as he is a Newcastle Ledgend….fool’s

  • 22 ObaMartins // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Listening to some of you ignorant fool’s on here you would think Ashley was a Newcastle Ledgend, for crying out loud “WAKE UP”

  • 23 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    Geordie Deb, if Ashley backs down, he will have no credibility, and the ghost of Keegan will continue to haunt this club and make it suffer. It will flare up like an aggressive tumour every time there is another problem at the club, and knowing Newcastle supporters, there will be many such problems!

  • 24 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 5:26 PM

    Debaser:

    To my understanding as things stand, Keggan can still walk – a simple withdrawl – its simply a tribunal.

    Or are you claiming at this stage once the wagon is rolling it cant be stopped, because to my understanding thats not the case.

    Furthermore I have taken a number to court for monies owed (different from Employment Law I accept) when the case was getting overly complex and going to involve about 40ks worth of fees to get back 20 with no guarantee that all would costs would be awarded) I simply withdrew.

    Youve confused me – can you clarify? I was simply making a point about outcome not legal technicality – my reading of what you have said is that there is only likely one winner – NUFC?

    Can you clairify?

  • 25 Marty-Toon // Feb 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM

    KK taking money from the club…..that is what this is about.
    *He walked out when we needed him dearly
    *Everybody finds it diffocult in their workplace
    to get the help they need from bosses n often their hands are tied
    *My wife lost her job without grounds last year and probably could have sued her boss for good cash but didn`t
    *KK is a winge bag-someone took his dummy out n he cried
    *He walks away from all his jobs-no Backbone i reckon

  • 26 Macas // Feb 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM

    Its amazing how many people side with Ashley the liar.

  • 27 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    Macas because so far he hasnt told a single one. But you have your agenda – crack on.

  • 28 Macas // Feb 15, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    Hmmm…I think you have your agenda too as regards Keegan. For the club to come out through Mort and Wise and say Keegan has the final say on transfers, then after the event say it was never the case that Keegan had final say on transfers, then I believe someone is telling porkies somewhere along the line!!

  • 29 debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:00 PM

    Workyticket, learn to qualify your statements in future, and then you won’t have to feel you’ve been condescended to, there’s a good lad.

    To Stardust, yes Keegan can indeed withdraw his claim at any stage prior to a tribunal hearing being held. However, Ashley cannot withdraw as he is merely the other party/respondent in the main proceedings.

    If Ashley does indeed choose to settle out of court, people can draw from that any conclusions they wish; you can either believe that Ashley is admitting wrongdoing by such a measure, or simply that he does not wish to engender any more hatred/bad publicity.

  • 30 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM

    Simply because its a grey area. Xisco is clearly defined as a Wise signing as he is “one for the future”.

    Keegan had choice on all first teamers, obviously this is where the fallout was – money Keegan wanted for first teamers was spent on a “one for the future”.

    So you weave that into a tissue of lies, personally I think its just a problem to be worked around – I am not even sure whats confusing about it – unless of course you read newspaper headlines and treat them as fact – but I prefer to let the truth out.

  • 31 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    debaser, try learning not to be so presumptious in future, and try to improve your social skills.

  • 32 batty // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    STARDUST has your missus been rideing ashley today

  • 33 Hugh de Payen // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    KK claims he was not allowed to do the job he was contractually hired to do and therefore walked out.

    MA claims that KK always knew he would be working with a DoF.

    I suspect both statements are true and the disagreements will be about interpretations of the precise legal jargon in KK’s contract.

    I hope they do settle before the tribunal. That would mean we’ll probably never know the precise details about what went on but the whole issue needs to be closed so that we can move forward.

  • 34 debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    Impressive retort young man, and whilst you’ll never aspire to be the next Don DeLillo, I’m sure with required application and due perserverance you’ll go far on a messageboard.

  • 35 Macas // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    £6 million is a lot of money for ‘one for the future’, especially when the first team is in such poor shape.

    And only now, after Xisco has played rather poorly so far, do the club come out and claim he is one for the future. Its entirely posible that they are simply covering their backs with this statement. If he was one for the future then why was he placed straight into the first team??

    And where did I ever mention the newspapers? Xisco was hardly a 16 or 17 year old youngster so I’m afraid I’d side with Keegan anyday on this one, especially as he knew the fragile nature of our first team squad only too well, a fact that has unfortunately been proven this season.

  • 36 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    DeLillo was always a little shallow for my tastes debaser, and I have already progressed much further than a messageboard thankyou.

  • 37 stevep // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    KK was fantastic first time round even tho he walked out – 2nd time round he was in it for the money and took the first opportunity to bail out.

  • 38 Hugh de Payen // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    FWIW, I don’t think KK was “in it for the money”.

    I will accept that has a reputation for quitting too readily, that he likes his own way, that he has an awful lot of pride and even that he was wrong to walk out, but I do not think he became Newcastle manager just because of the money.

  • 39 debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Glad to see google still working for you young man. Seriously though, read up a bit, self education should always be promoted. Oh, and it’s presumptuous by the way. Ta-ta.

  • 40 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

    stevep // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    “KK was fantastic first time round even tho he walked out – 2nd time round he was in it for the money and took the first opportunity to bail out.”

    I’m not quite so cynical about Keegan, I think that the Arsenal game was some kind of epiphany for him.

  • 41 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:33 PM

    debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    “Glad to see google still working for you young man. Seriously though, read up a bit, self education should always be promoted. Oh, and it’s presumptuous by the way. Ta-ta.”

    Google? What the hell are you on about now?

  • 42 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:36 PM

    Macas – I read into that when Llambias issued his statement the other day – basically back covering and a likely explanation of why Xisco hasnt been played often – shame as he has a decent record.

    Debaser. Re “To Stardust, yes Keegan can indeed withdraw his claim at any stage prior to a tribunal hearing being held. However, Ashley cannot withdraw as he is merely the other party/respondent in the main proceedings.

    If Ashley does indeed choose to settle out of court, people can draw from that any conclusions they wish; you can either believe that Ashley is admitting wrongdoing by such a measure, or simply that he does not wish to engender any more hatred/bad publicity.”

    I’d concluded that therefore a KK victory is unlikely should it go to a hearing, as Ashley already has too much to lose PR wise if he was beat and therefore an out of court settlement more likely with full NDA attached. However I saw a problem with the award of any financial settlement (unless nominal) as it would have show on the accounts.

    Do you view the situation similarly – as I believe if Ashley was in the wrong he would have burried this with a settlement in Oct/Nov before he has tried to get the mob back onside?

    I simply believe that “or simply that he does not wish to engender any more hatred/bad publicity” would not wash with the Mob, they need Ashley to be vindicated and a burial will continue the Anti Ashley agenda. A victory the opposite – what say you?

  • 43 batty // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:37 PM

    STARDUST WHAT YOU CALLED YOUR MISSUSES HORSE

  • 44 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:38 PM

    re quote above…. and a burial “or a burial (of the case)”

  • 45 Fog-on-the-Tyne // Feb 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM

    Simple Keegan was and remain the best man for the Job – I believe quite simply, if Ashley decides to settle out of court, then in my opinion KK has been right all the long – Regardless of the majority of notions on here that KK’s was only ever after the money, then my friends grew up!! If you worked for Northern Rock, and had been wronged at work, forced in to resigning, would you simply say cheerio, I’ll not sue because you require the money and presently a huge debt, although the top boss is keeping his bit – GET REAL! Keegan loves this club, more so then most of you! Do you honestly think Ashley is not in it for the money…? Furthermore it makes me sick you arm chair supports – you don’t deserve an opinion, by all means support the team, before you share an opinion pay up and travel to support the team, then you may qualify an opinion – If you were there at all the games, 2nd time around Keegan made a huge difference, and quite simply, NUFC are a lot worse off without him!!!

  • 46 Fog-on-the-Tyne // Feb 15, 2009 at 7:34 PM

    Stardust – Are you insane…? If you honestly believe Ashley is in the right then he would in fact opt to proceed with court proceedings – you fool – Can you kindly explain how such actions would be considered bad PR, in fact if nothing else, would it not bring all those fans on board who continue to back Keegan (I am one of them!) if Ashley was able to associate affects of this whole scenario as Keegans wrong doing, then any person with an ounce of intellect would back Ashley, as it is, it would appear KK is to be given a settlement, yet you still blame him!! – Honestly my friend, it is idiots with such ridiculous notions such as this that has mad our club a laughing stock – Please think things through before spouting out all of this rubbish!

  • 47 workyticket // Feb 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM

    Fog-on-the-Tyne // Feb 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM

    “Simple Keegan was and remain the best man for the Job – I believe quite simply, if Ashley decides to settle out of court, then in my opinion KK has been right all the long”

    That’s exactly why Ashley needs to go the whole way, because of people like you Fog!

  • 48 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 9:02 PM

    I will second Worky on that one Fog – they say you can buy pea-brains on ebay – itll be an upgrade for you lol

  • 49 Stardust // Feb 15, 2009 at 9:03 PM

    Batty – How’d you know about the Horse?

    We have a few – we actually havent named her yet – there again Batty could be a good name lol

  • 50 batty // Feb 15, 2009 at 9:21 PM

    TROY told me my daughter loves horses she goe,s rideing twice a week and helps out every other day

  • 51 valle // Feb 15, 2009 at 9:29 PM

    Fog-on-the-Tyne // Feb 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM

    Simple Keegan was and remain the best man for the Job – I believe quite simply, if Ashley decides to settle out of court, then in my opinion KK has been right all the long – Regardless of the majority of notions on here that KK’s was only ever after the money, then my friends grew up!!

    Wake up mate… I salute a romantic such as yourself, but all logic thought points to the fact that KK dont rank NUFC as high as some of you beleive… He walked out first chance he got and asked for 8 MILL!!! for his troubles. Does that sound like a legend with love for NUFC to you?… And meanwhile he is over his head in debt with his soccer cirkus which further clouds his motives…

  • 52 valle // Feb 15, 2009 at 11:04 PM

    I love the times, great article about Harper…

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article5740488.ece

  • 53 Tommy_PA // Feb 15, 2009 at 11:30 PM

    Valle, Keegan is aiming for the highest settlement possible, as is Ashley. I think you will find that is not uncommon in legal proceedings, the end game is usually somewhere in between.

    Fog, if your sentiment is that if Keegan was still in charge we would be playing better football, would be a more cohesive team, and that our first team acquisitions would be better for the review of him and Terry Mac then I for one would agree.

    Stardust, Ashley has never told a lie! Now I know your stance and it’s different to mine, but Ashley either indirectly or directly has been shown to have lied, stretched the truth, avoid the issue, failed to communicate in such a way as to insinuate a contradiction….put it whatever way you like he has been guilty on the count of lying. [And no I can't be a***d to go and look them up].

    That’s my view, but calling me a dumbass will not be considered witty or a valid argument…sentiments of George Bush and “yee ha” is not a foreign policy.

  • 54 Stardust // Feb 16, 2009 at 1:07 AM

    Tommy, I have defended Ashley since day 1 – he was hounded as a liar by lines made up by the press. The facts have always spken, like the accounts etc.

    The fella has saved the club not wrecked it. But its time to move on and everyone get behind the team. It just annoys me that ungrateful kneejerkers come on here spouting stuff they know nothing about.

  • 55 Robby Bobson // Feb 16, 2009 at 2:08 AM

    Who do i like more, Keegan or Ashley?

    Keegan

    Who do i want to get the best deal?
    Ashley

    FFS since when did Keegan become bigger than the Toon? If, for example, Shearer came in and fell out with the club, i would still be behind the club and not the individual, but then again Shearer would not sue the club.

    Oh and what is this protest for before the Everton game? What do NUSC, who claim to represent the fans, expect to achieve? The owner tried to sell the club, the window is closed, im guessing they wont stop until Ashley is found in his office with a bullet through his head.

    The worst thing is, every time there is a protest in Newcastle its like a virus. Under Shepherd it was a few people shoutng “sack the board” after a bad performance then suddenly everybody is at it…then boom newastle fans protest for the 1003th on SSN. If Ashley had a way out i beleive he would take it as he has been hit hard by the credit crunch.

    The people who represent the fans should be the 50,000 in the stadium urging Lovenkrands to bag his hattrick, and Nolan to floor Neville for the 10th time, not those who decide that they arent happy so lets form a group to protest.

    I am not a fan of Ashley by any stretch of the imagination. But at the moment he has the fate of Newcastle at his fingertips so give the guy a break.

    Huuh Rant Over.

    O yeh, Martinez for next manager ;)!

  • 56 batty // Feb 16, 2009 at 11:01 PM

    kk hope you get all 8 mill




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