More Compassion Needed for Joe Kinnear Right Now


We have to think that all the talk about a new manager at Newcastle is more than a little disrespectful to Joe Kinnear, and it’s no wonder Joe wants to return to Newcastle as soon as possible.

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Steve Bruce – link to Newcastle is disrespectful to Joe Kinenar

The speculation is in case Joe cannot go on because of ill health, but Joe has never shown ever during his time at Newcastle, that he doesn’t want the Newcastle manager job, which came right out of the blue and has been a golden opportunity for him.

Let’s be honest he’s hardly stopped talking about how great he thinks the Newcastle club is. The last thing Newcastle need right now is yet another manager.

What we need is a period of stability where one manager brings in the players he wants, and builds the team his way. Since Bobby Robson left in September 2004, we’ve had Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan and now Kinnear, and we are still a bottom half of the league team.

We’ve shown to anybody who will take a look, that multiple managers just don’t work, but it seems that some fans continually want to see change. Wigan manager Steve Bruce hit the nail on the head today when he was asked about being linked witt the Newcastle job.

Steve Bruce said today:

“I’m going to Newcastle am I? Well, it’s news to me and I think it’s a little bit disrespectful when their manager is going through what he’s going through right now.”

In fact we have sunk so low as a team in the last two or three seasons, that a top half finish and possibly getting into a top eight or a top six position is the next step.

Joe Kinnear can do that job in the next couple of years, and can lay the foundations for some future success at the club. What he needs is time – and maybe even a little patience, and two years is a good stretch for him to show what he can do.

There’s no reason why Joe cannot come back better than ever as far as his health goes. The only worry is that he doesn’t look after himself and his health, and that could have him in a similar situation in a few years time unless he alters his diet and gets a lot more exercise.

He also needs to keep check on his vital signs for his heart health, such as cholesterol and triglycerides levels, and his blood pressure, and if he does that he should be just fine.

He’s also look a lot better than he did in his last game in charge against Sunderland, where he looked just terrible, if the truth be told.

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78 comments so far

  • MarkO

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #1

    Don’t want Bruce get Tassotti or Jol

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  • richyg01

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #2

    All the best to Joe but I think that this scare should end it for him.

    Martin Jol, Claudio Ranieri, GĂ©rard Houllier next please!

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  • Born Again Geordie

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #3

    Bruce – shut up you tool, we don’t want you even if you came gift wrapped !!!

    Tugger !!!! 🙂

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  • clinta

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #4

    Sorry ed, but we do need a new manager as we don’t have one at the moment remember, he’s in the hospital.

    A manager with a heart problem and constantly out of his depth is hardly proof of stability.

    I don’t mind JK and am happy with what he’s done for us, but I can’t see him getting us top 6 or 8 to be honest.

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  • valle

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #5

    I really think that people needs to seperate Joe’s health from the managers position… People dont want a new manager because Joe is sick, they want a new manager because he aint good enough. There is no more disrespect to Joe in wanting a new manager now, than there was when people wanted a new guy instead of Souness… Jeez

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  • toonarmyuk

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #6

    Ed, you usually write really good articles which I tend to agree with, but this is rubbish.

    Not only is it harsh on Joe Kinnear to suggest that he should risk his LIFE to rush back to manage us, but it’s also harsh on us fans who need a decent manager at the club as soon as possible.

    Joe Kinnear is outright not good enough to mount a challenge on the top 8, and to suggest that we should accept him as manager for 2 years just because he’s ill is very short-sighted on your part.

    He was brought in as a manager for a few weeks because NOBODY else would take the job. That suggest that we was way down the pecking order! Now would we all of a sudden think he’s worth a 2 year contract when all he has done is moved ever so slightly away from the relegation zone! We are undoubtedly still in a relegation dog fight, and I dont think Kinnear could even keep us away from that if he was healthy.

    Fair do’s to the man – his heart may be in it (and I thank him for that) – BUT HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO MANAGE A PREMIER LEAGUE TEAM!!

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  • Stuart79

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #7

    It’s not disrespectful.

    If we wait until the end of the season and give Joe time to recover what happens when the dosctors turn round and say sorry Joe you can’t go back?

    Were left possibly relegated and with no manager and all the work that we have done on identifying new players down the drain.

    We need to act now, there is no way given Joe’s history, general fitness and family situation that he will be back.

    We need to get someone in now and I think it has to be Bruce. He saved Wigan from relegation last season and had no money to spend.

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  • batty

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #8

    clinta agreed m8 but iam not happy with what he,s done so far

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #9

    Well said Ed! (eventually).

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  • nufcursed

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #10

    kinnear should NOT return. what’s the point?he’s not a good solution for the future so if we have to change him in the future why let him return?we better look for a manager we can build a new team with.

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  • Born Again Geordie

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #11

    toonarmyuk,

    Agree, we wish Joe a speedy recovery but this is the 2nd heart attack – retire Joe and enjoy your time with your family.

    We need a new manager that is not being disrepectful just factual

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  • batty

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #12

    if we hadnt ov beat west brom last week we would have been 2 points of bottom whats good about that?

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  • Stardust

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #13

    Worky.

    Have you noticed – every band wagon jumper is now jumping off the anti board band wagon and they are now climbing aboard the “Get rid of Joe Kinnear” band wagon. – You havent got a large bandwagon that we can give to a Pied Piper have you? After all – rats should be thrown off a cliff

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #14

    Born Again Geordie // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    “Agree, we wish Joe a speedy recovery but this is the 2nd heart attack – retire Joe and enjoy your time with your family.”

    It wasn’t a heart attack Born Again Geordie, that’s just your wishful thinking.

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  • DanToon

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #15

    Kinnear isn’t good enough never mind his health problems, HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! We need a professional manager, not some old cockney that swears, lies and is tactically inept!

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  • murphy

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #16

    I don’t think it’s disrespectfull talking about a new manager, Joe is seriously ill and looking to come back and work in the most stresfull job in football, the FACT is he shouldn’t retrun, he should retire with a few hundred thousand in his back pocket and enjoy the rest of his life with his familly. What happens if he has another heart attack on the sidelines and dies!? it’ll be horrible for the fans, for the club, for his familly, his friends, they’ll all be thinking why didn’t he just relax and enjoy his time and get better.

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  • batty

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #17

    STARDUST i havent jumped of the ashley oot band wagon to jk oot band wagon iam still on all ov the band wagons and dont call people rats plz .and by the way have you named the horse yet?

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  • Stardust

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #18

    Murphy – thats joes call not yours.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #19

    The Pied Piper’s gone Stardust, and he won’t be back. But some people are still lashing out all over the place.

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  • Stuart79

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #20

    Stardust

    I take it you think Joe will be ok to return to the job then?

    There is no way on gods earth he will be returning. He’s been fine for 10 yrs and all of a sudden he takes this job and he needs a triple heart bypass. That tells it’s own story, his family will not want him to return to NUFC. FACT!

    It makes sense for the club to prepare for life without him, otherwise we’ll be left in the sh1te! AGAIN!

    Both you and workyticket have no idea how things work in football and with heart problems if you think he will be back and everything will be hunky dorey!

    Thanks for helping us out Joe, now your health is not up to it so retire, put ya feet up and NUFC can appoint a permanant manager and start some sort of forward planning!

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  • DJM TOON

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #21

    IT WASNT A HEART ATTACK, it was a stroke.

    still serious as hell and it would not be wise to continue in the NUFC hotseat.

    i really like joe, love his fire and passion, its what is reflected in the toon faithful. but we have to be realistic, do we wanna see the man collapse on the touchline?

    i for one do not.

    now, for all the bile people spew on here, the board are asking the same question to themselves, and there is only one answer.

    a new manager will be brought in, my only concern is that its someone who can do a good job because manager wise, we have been treading water for a long time

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  • DJM TOON

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #22

    a paper is reporting juande ramos linked with job…

    discuss

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  • toonarmyuk

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #23

    Sturat79 – well said. Those two plebs must just be happy for us to be relegated. Rather be a rat than a sheep anyway.

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  • toonarmyuk

    Feb 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #24

    Sorry Stuart – Freudian slip there….I did genuinelly mispell your name there and it spelled rat, lol

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #25

    Stuart79 // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    “There is no way on gods earth he will be returning. He’s been fine for 10 yrs and all of a sudden he takes this job and he needs a triple heart bypass.”

    He would have needed it anyway Stuart, and he’ll be MUCH fitter when he recovers. The only thing is he’ll be out for more than two months, it’s more like four months for football managers.

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  • MAG PIE

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #26

    Surely the JFK and Ashley out bandwagons are the same bandwagon ? After all JFK is the biggest Ashley apologist of the lot (after Lambsarse). I don’t wish JFK ill but I don’t want him as manager either. Never did. Not going to change my view because he’s unwell.

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  • cjcox88

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #27

    haha talk about disrespectful, what bout the people calling for houllier, if ur gonna replace joe, it cant be with someone who has had even more serious heart problems than him! and has had a much more serious operation too!

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  • murphy

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #28

    stardust – yes it’s Joe’s call, But other people can see what’s best with a clearer less blinkered view of the situation, his doctors will be telling him to take a long time out, yet he’ll be on the phone and back to work in a matter of weeks, and like Stuart 79 says, isn’t it a coincidence that’s he’s been fine for years and suddenly after a few months of being at Newcastle he needs major surgery!? it doesn’t take a genius to work out the toon is very bad for his health.

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  • Born Again Geordie

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #29

    workyticket & stardust,

    1. It was not wishful thinking, as I would not wish that on anyone, having had personnal experience of someone very close to me suffering heart attack. So think about how insensitive a statement like that can be.

    2. I am not jumping on any bandwagon to ‘get rid of JK’. I think the guy needs to consider himself and his family first.

    3. I love Newcastle United, always have and always will. I want what is best for the club and if JK is well enough and can drive the club forward, as is the owners want, then so be it!

    4. I do not support the owner, the chairman, the manager! I support Newcastle United Football Club.

    Please consider your responses better in future before tarring everyone with the same brush !!!

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  • Micky Toon

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #30

    cjcox88 – the difference being that houlier is actually a decent manager that has won trophies, whereas JFK is known for his time a Wimbledon and as a bit part spurs player.

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  • Stardust

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #31

    Stuart – I dont know, but I believe that Ashley is a better man than given credit for by many. I personally dont see loyalty and decency as a weakness.

    Would Joe have been my first choice as manager – no – but neither was he the clubs. But he is here now, and although he was weaknesses – the club are right to be loyal and decent in difficult times. What are they meant to do, kick a man in his time of need when he helped them in theirs.

    Re the call on his health – I think it is a DISGRACE that you and others form opinions that he should not be allowed to come back “for health reasons” those decisions are not yours to make – they are Joes and his family’s.

    I think your view and that of others says a lot about your character as a human being – not the sort I surround myself with thats for sure.

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #32

    Stuart79 // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    “Both you and workyticket have no idea how things work in football and with heart problems if you think he will be back and everything will be hunky dorey!”

    Gerard Houllier and Harry Redknapp seem to manage ok now. Well, maybe not in the case of Harry! :-). I know more about angioplasty than you think Stuart.

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  • Stardust

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #33

    Batty – I might call it Rowland after you lol

    I might get it to pull another bandwagon too – I’ll be the Mobcatcher – now the childsnatcher used lollypops – what do the mob like? lol

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  • Stardust

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #34

    STU-RAT its the greatest – thanks toonarmyuk wooo hooo

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  • workyticket

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #35

    DJM TOON // Feb 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    “IT WASNT A HEART ATTACK, it was a stroke.”

    Don’t be silly!

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  • Micky Toon

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #36

    Look, it’s tragic what has happened to Joe, but as we keep banging on the club is bigger than any one person. NUFC will continue with or without Joe. If Joe leaving NUFC is the best move for NUFC then I’m all for it, if it isn’t, then so be it.
    You can seperate what is best for Joe for what is best for NUFC. Just because you don’t think he should return doesn’t make you some kind of heartless moron.
    I really do hope Joe makes a fit and full recovery and he goes on to lead a long and healthy life, just not as manager as NUFC thank you very much.

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  • valle

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #37

    Degrading fans who has a different opinion to yourself by branding them names is just low…. Accept that your opinion is not that of an Oracle which we should all embrace and accept as “the one truth”

    Im not a fan of keeping Joe, yet i am a fan of stabillity. How is that possible?… Well, i would love to see us copy Arsenal and Man Utd, who have managers who have been at the club for 10+ years. I think thats the way to go, you must see the manager and the club as one and that only happens over time… Joe is 62 and it is therefor doubtfull that he will stay in the game for 10+ years, furthermore i think he has to catch of with allot in management still, and again his age works against him… IF Joe stays, then i will be behind him and advocate all other fans to do the same, but that dosnt mean that I agree with him being manager… Not that my opinion or yours for that matter means didly sh*t in the end. It will be the boards decision in the end.

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #38

    cheers bruce

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  • Born Again Geordie

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #39

    Mickey Toon,

    Well said ! Someone talking sense for a change !

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  • danuneek

    Feb 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #40

    This is really annoying me, i’m sure every Newcastle fan has compassion for JK and we certainly didn’t want this to happen. I hope he gets better because football is just a game and not worth someones life. We know this. BUT by us discussing what has to happen next is not disrespectful to Joe, he’s probably going to be out for the season so a decision has to be made. The fact is, are clubs like Wigan going to be compassionate to Joe when they play us and loose, no their not. Imagine playing in the Championship next year and saying “well at least we were compassionate to Joe”. If this happens in a business, then something is usually arranged to take the pressure off the individual while maintaining the business. Its just ludicrous blaming the Geordie faithful, the Press probably have more to blame for this than us.

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