We have to think that all the talk about a new manager at Newcastle is more than a little disrespectful to Joe Kinnear, and it’s no wonder Joe wants to return to Newcastle as soon as possible.
Steve Bruce – link to Newcastle is disrespectful to Joe Kinenar
The speculation is in case Joe cannot go on because of ill health, but Joe has never shown ever during his time at Newcastle, that he doesn’t want the Newcastle manager job, which came right out of the blue and has been a golden opportunity for him.
Let’s be honest he’s hardly stopped talking about how great he thinks the Newcastle club is. The last thing Newcastle need right now is yet another manager.
What we need is a period of stability where one manager brings in the players he wants, and builds the team his way. Since Bobby Robson left in September 2004, we’ve had Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Keegan and now Kinnear, and we are still a bottom half of the league team.
We’ve shown to anybody who will take a look, that multiple managers just don’t work, but it seems that some fans continually want to see change. Wigan manager Steve Bruce hit the nail on the head today when he was asked about being linked witt the Newcastle job.
Steve Bruce said today:
“I’m going to Newcastle am I? Well, it’s news to me and I think it’s a little bit disrespectful when their manager is going through what he’s going through right now.”
In fact we have sunk so low as a team in the last two or three seasons, that a top half finish and possibly getting into a top eight or a top six position is the next step.
Joe Kinnear can do that job in the next couple of years, and can lay the foundations for some future success at the club. What he needs is time – and maybe even a little patience, and two years is a good stretch for him to show what he can do.
There’s no reason why Joe cannot come back better than ever as far as his health goes. The only worry is that he doesn’t look after himself and his health, and that could have him in a similar situation in a few years time unless he alters his diet and gets a lot more exercise.
He also needs to keep check on his vital signs for his heart health, such as cholesterol and triglycerides levels, and his blood pressure, and if he does that he should be just fine.
He’s also look a lot better than he did in his last game in charge against Sunderland, where he looked just terrible, if the truth be told.
Comments welcome.
78 comments so far
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Comment #41Valle – your second para – just as I see it and everyone else too – re the first – i am quite happy to cast aside appologists for humans.
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Comment #42Stardust
You’r the fucin disgrace mate!
I am not telling Joe how to run his life, I’m more bothered about NUFC something that you time and again show a complete apathy towards on this blog!
Houllier was out for 6 months, we I’m afraid have not got 6 weeks let alone 6 months!
This is not about winning the league, it’s about staying in the bloody league!
I know from people who have had these operations that although they were ok to return to work after 2 months it was at a reduced pace and he will get a lot more tired a lot quicker for at least the next 6 months.
I’m sorry but NUFC (my concern) can not have a manager in there who can’t do the job to their full potential!
Also Stardust, it shouldn’t be up to Joe if he’s fit enough to return, the clb should take it out of his hands and say ” Joe, we need someone now who can plan for the future and can give it there all. Your health dictates that you can’t so that for at LEAST 3 months!”
So before you go on with your moral crusade Stardust think about the uinpact on NUFC not Joe Kinnear. It shouldn’t be his decision!
Workyticket
As I said earlier Houllier out for 6 months! Where do you think NUFC will be in 6 months time without a permanant manager?
Hughton has never ever been a success as caretaker whether here or at Spurs so don’t hold ya breath!
The players ned to know who is the boss, they will not know anything at the moment and we know from previously this season when that happens it impacts directly on results!
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Comment #43Micky Toon // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
“cjcox88 – the difference being that houlier is actually a decent manager that has won trophies, whereas JFK is known for his time a Wimbledon and as a bit part spurs player.”
Yeah Wimbledon, where Kinnear was awarded manager of the year over Alex Ferguson Micky. He wasn’t a ‘bit part’ player with Bill Nick either, he was an automatic first choice and a top full back of his day until his injury. Why are you trying so hard to denigrate him?
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Comment #44danuneek
Absolutley spot on mate!
Some half wits on here seem only concerned with being nice and not bothered about the reason were all on here in the first place. NUFC
cashleyout
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Comment #45Kinnear is not the man for us!! the only reason he probably wants to come back to us is ‘cos of this “LUCRATIVE” contract hes been offered. We need a manager who will give youth a chance and who can spot a great player and fit in with this 5 year plan that ashley has.
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Comment #46STU RAT – your trouble is you think in kneejerks. Worky and I have campaigned for patience and understanding in all matters. You fire off with opinion when really you have no base to form it from.
Joe and his family will decide whats best for him. Mike will abide by his decision as he is loyal to Joe. Joe jumped in the trenches with him as YOU fired your bombs at the club – again as it has been shown at a time when you had no foundation to do so. (Remember when YOU said Mike would keep the accounts private and hide them by being a limited company – only for me to laugh at you and have to eductae you that they couldnt be kept private and were available foe £5 (now £1). You are the worst kind of fan. You have no genuine ability to rationalise or think. You and your type do far more harm to the club than you realise.
Do de dooo do doo de doo doo doo de doo do dillliddle do dooo (all rats please follow)
Micky Toon
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Comment #47Worky – Ok, so as a player he may have been useful to the spuds. I’m not old enough to have seen him play so perhaps I don’t know what I’m talking about with regards to his playing career.
As for what he did with Wimbledon. He did do well with what was a team of thugs and long ball merchants, but that’s it. He is not an NUFC style manager. We need someone who has lots of experience and can get us playing decent football. I didn’t like the idea of Keegan coming back because football has moved on since he was last with us. This goes even more so for Joe. What he did with Wimbledon was a one off.
The bottom line is fit and healthy or at deaths door, he isn’t a good enough football manager for NUFC.
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Comment #48Hey Stardust you prat!
Would you advocate the return as manager of Sir Bobby?
NO you wouldn’t due to ill health!
If you’re not healthy enough to do the job you’re not healthy enough.
Simple as that!
Joe will want to return but that’s like asking Garry Glitter if he would want to work in a school!
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Comment #49Sorry stardust I don’t have a clue what ya on about re accounts???? Are you still on drugs?
Look I’m planning ahead as I know what this type of operation does to people.
You will look like a complete idiot at the end of the season when we are without a manager AGAIN and possible in the Championship.
Loyalty is an admirable trait, but not blind loyalty and also if Ashley thinks it’s going to lose him a couple of hundred million he’d sack Kinnear tomorrow so don’t talke sh1te!
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Comment #50Stu Rat – how dare you use the suffering of a great man to try to make your point.
Micky Toon
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Comment #51Stardust – Can you really not see that Joe is not the manager to take NUFC forward?
If he hadn’t joined Ashley then someone else would have done. We are still a massive name in football no matter what is currently happening and some lower league manager would have jumped at the chance. It’s not like he was doing it as a favour either. He has been paid and paid well. Joe had no prior connection to us, unless you count Dennis Wise, so loyalty is not really a factor here. Joe is just doing what most of us do everyday – doing they job his boss employed him for. Most of us are loyal to our companies and our current bosses, but that only lasts until we move on. The same probably applies to Joe.
I’ve never been a fan of Joe (you couldn’t tell could you) but I will stand behind him while he is managing my team.
He had a lot to prove when he took the job and so far he hasn’t proven anything to me.
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Comment #52Sardust-
You didn’t make that point re Joe Kinnear. Why just with regards to SBR?
Does is suffering count for more than Joe’s? Of course not but it wouldn’t have the same impact if you’d use Joe in that same context.
Ya totally lost when it comes to football, go back to your failing businesses and let proper fans enjoy this blog!
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Comment #53Stu Rat – lets just see how it pans out – my point being – the men with all the knowledge will make the right decision for the right reasons – as they are informed. It is a disgrace that banjo playing rats on bandwagons call for the head of a man without knowledge of anything.
I want stability too, if Joe goes and the decision is made by all concerned for the right reasons good. If not I will stand by him just as he did the club in its time of need – as I have said he wouldnt have been my or the clubs first choice, but I am pleased we are being ran with more integrity than you seem to have.
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Comment #54Micky Toon // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
“As for what he did with Wimbledon. He did do well with what was a team of thugs and long ball merchants, but that’s it. He is not an NUFC style manager.”
Mickey, with all due respect that’s a bit of a cliche born out of snobbery, and it comes mostly from the media. There is more to Kinnear’s game than that.
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Comment #55Stu Rat “go back to your failing businesses and let proper fans enjoy this blog!”
you simply prove post after post how misinformed and misguided you are.
Sav
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Comment #56Ed, I am sorry for Joe Kinnear and grateful for what he has attempted. But he said himself that the reason he was out of work for 4 years is that clubs took one look at his health record and said ‘no thanks’.
So he gets the gig at NUFC and 4 months later, he looks like shite on a stick and he’s in hospital with heart problems that will keep him out of the Newcastle manager’s office for 2 more months (at least).
You are the ex-IBM executive, used to making hard decisions based on the realities not sentiment.
You need to factor in 2 more things: firstly, Joe was not manager of choice when he came to Tyneside – far from it – nor has he done any better than okay under admittedly tough circumstances. Secondly, as you say, we need to put down some stability for the future, including spending some serious cash on the squad this summer. Joe is not the man for the future, with his health issues. We cannot afford to have his half-built squad taken over by someone else in 12 or 18 months time with their own ideas.
get Martinez, Jol, Shearer or whoever and set up a true 5 year plan.
Joe should get his million in the summer and good luck to him.
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Comment #57Stardust
What planet are you living on mate?
I’m telling you he will not be fit for purpose this season! He will want to be involved but he won’t be able to do it to his best!
Foir that reason the club MUST make a decision sooner rather that later.
This isn’t an anti Joe rant or anything of the sort, I would feel the same if it was Shearer!
The FACT is the club don’t have the time to stand around waiting for him to recover. Fair enough if we had the premier league all sown up and there was no chance of going down but were in serious trouble.
Think of this – If Man Utd came calling for Joe he wouldn’t give the Toon a second thought!
I’m only concerned with the Toon.
I obviously hope he makes a full recovery and he will I’m sure, just too late to help us.
It’s common sense- A trait whcih sadly you are bereft off!
Mikeflame
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Comment #58Steve Bruce is a geordie Allardyce! perfect at a small club but wouldnt hack it up near the top! And just cos he is a geordie doesnt mean he’s good!! Lets get sodding Jimmy Nail in while were at it cos hes as geordie as they come!!
If we got Bruce it’d be a step sideways! we need to go foreign and somebody who has an ounce of knowledge about Nufc! Ketsbaia would be my choice, he loves the club, is young and has the makings of a fantastic manager! You say Jol, Ramos, Erriksson they all couldnt hack it in PL so why do you want them????
Im looking forward to Everton see how we do under Calderwood and Co cos he has used 433 with the reserves so you never know!
Micky Toon
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Comment #59worky – Although I’m not old enough to have watched Joe as a player I did watch his Wimbledon team. They were a team devoid of any flair and relied heavily on John “Awoogaaa” Fashanu getting on the end of the long balls. By the way you can visit John Fashanu.com – “football legend, business man, TV presenter” if you want. I had to use google to make sure I spelled his name right and his .com site came up. Anyway. I form my opinons on what I see and what I used to see from Wimbledon isn’t what I want to see at NUFC, apart from the FA Cup of course. 🙂
Stardust
Feb 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Comment #60See Stu rat – you just dont understand.
“Foir that reason the club MUST make a decision sooner rather that later. ”
and
“It’s common sense- A trait whcih sadly you are bereft off!”
Firstly this difficult decision will be taken by those in the know with access to all facts. Mike, Derek, Joe and His Family – they will all do it together – AND I feel they will give Joe the opportunity of being involved with the club in some way – but again thats their collective call.
The players all seem to really like Joe and his illness may actually give them an edge to do if for him, a man who did it for them in their time of need.
I repeat that JK wouldnt be my perfect choice of manager, BUT I am talking about the realities of the situation again. It is realities that you fail to grasp -before you spout on about our position in the league etc – the realities are those making the decisions KNOW ALL FACTS.
So as for common sense fella – I think you need to look in the mirror. Your thought process is as refined as moonshine that you and the rest of the banjo playing rat faced bandwagon jumpers seem to love.
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Comment #61Micky Toon // Feb 18, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Mickey, I never wrote that Wimbledon were like Garrincha and Pele’s Brazil, and I never said that Joe was Rinus Michels either. He did what he had to do to win with VERY limited resources, but there IS more to his game than that.
bowburnmag
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Comment #62Gum shields in, seconds out…….
batty
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Comment #63ED thought you would have wished sir bobby a happy birthday. HAPPY BIRTHDAY SIR BOBBY YOU WERE AND STILL ARE THE BEST .
beyethegreat
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Comment #64happy birthday sir bobby
batty how old is he?
have u seen the way the wigan site has reported it(pricks)
http://www.yeoldetreeandcrown.co.uk/modules/news/article.php?storyid=784
hitman
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Comment #65http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/messages/33034.html
hitman
Feb 18, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Comment #66these are people who are not in high stress jobs.
waddler
Feb 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM
Comment #67The press have dropped a time bomb in amongst us, as usual, and left knowing we will debate this heatedly.
They will then charge us of inhuman acts worthy of Gaza staus to sell more newspapers, if that is the correct word.
Ed I think you should have left this one well alone.
As many have said on this site the consultant, Joe’s family and the club will discuss this together and come to the correct conclusion.
God I hate those sods masquerading as journalists.
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Comment #68beyethegreat // Feb 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM
“happy birthday sir bobby
batty how old is he?”
He’s 76 Beye.
beyethegreat
Feb 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Comment #69thanks worky batty has just yold me aswell lol on the nacho thread
murvar
Feb 18, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Comment #70I can’t believe your line here, Ed! Those who have Joe’s best interests at heart should want him to relinquish his role and hopefully walk away with a pay-off for his (lamentable) part in our successful battle to retain our Premiership status. He has a serious heart condition, he’s of an age when most people are retiring anyway if they have any choice in the matter, and he has a ludicrously pressurised job. Having said that I think he is a joke, his record would put him in the sack race anyway and he’s a complete embarassment to the club and the fans. It’ds best all round if he goes. And in case anyone’s in any doubt, I think he has worked very hard for us and I want him to get well as soon as possible.
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Comment #71waddler // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM
“Ed I think you should have left this one well alone.”
I do like your comments waddler, but I think the exact opposite is true in this case. We didn’t need any newspapers stories to start the “Kinnear oot” bandwagon, and it’s about time somebody raised the issue of how impatient, dismissive and disrespectful some of us have become as supporters. Besides being undignified, it is also counterproductive. Even if Kinnear did want to leave for his health, other managers are dissuaded from joining us because of the way we treat our own.
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Comment #72murvar // Feb 18, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Having said that I think he is a joke, his record would put him in the sack race anyway and he’s a complete embarrassment to the club and the fans.
As I pointed out earlier murvar, his record is about the same as Keegan’s, so according to your logic, we should have sacked him too!
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Comment #73forgot quotes.
TheDan
Feb 18, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Comment #74Stuart, your 100% right mate; NUFC should intervene and politely part with Kinnear for the good of his help. Maybe even give him some bonuses.
TheDan
Feb 18, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Comment #75*Health
Stuart79
Feb 18, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Comment #76TheDan
Yeah but some of the idiots on here don’t seem to understand that time is of the essence in this situation and their quite happy for the situation to just meander along and we’d be in a total mess when finally Joe decides he’s not coming back.
He won’t sign a permanant contract for gods sake, that says it all. Even he’s not too sure this is the job for him!
Wigaz
Feb 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
Comment #77Wow Ed your compassion warms the heart & is bringing me to tears. I’m goin to wipe them away with my coca-cola badged newcastle strip for next season! Coz thats where we’re goin if we wait for Joe to recover from his sick bed. You need to look at this without your blinkers on mate. Yes JK is a great bloke & really helped us out in our time of need, but the bloke has has 2! yes 2! heart attacks! people die from those you know? To think of him coming back to probably the most stressful job in management is completely laughable! You need to look at yourself in the mirror Ed. Imagine JK comes back as you so blatently want him too & has a heart attack no3 & drops down on the pitch like jock stein! Now where will your compassion be then? You’ll feel sick that people like you were demanding he return to the hotseat! Some things are more important than football & your health is one of them! Give your head a massive shake Ed! for shame!
workyticket
Feb 18, 2009 at 6:39 PM
Comment #78Wigaz // Feb 18, 2009 at 5:02 PM
“Yes JK is a great bloke & really helped us out in our time of need, but the bloke has has 2! yes 2! heart attacks! ”
No he hasn’t Wigaz, he had one fairly mild myocardial infarction ten years ago. The recent scare was merely fairly severe hypertension, indicating that he may have one if he didn’t receive angioplasty soon. There’s been much worse in the past, like Houllier’s aortal tear, but he was fighting fit after his op. Joe will be the same. Ed is right when he writes “There’s no reason why Joe cannot come back better than ever as far as his health goes”, as a good bypass can make you feel twenty years younger!