We hadn’t heard anything about the planned rally that the Newcastle United Supporters Club (NUSC) had been planning on Sunday, before the Everton game.
We had hoped that some common sense may prevail, after Joe Kinnear was struck down with heart problems, and the man has only recently been moved out of intensive care, but will be watching the match on TV this Sunday. And of course hoping for a win, like every other Newcastle fan.
Only yesterday Joe appealed to Newcastle fans for their full backing, and they can be our 12th man and help us win against a good Everton side, which is another crucial game in our relegation fight.
So what are the NUSC planning to do?
They are holding a rally just before the game, to protest presumably against Mike Ashley – or is that Joe Kinnear – or just the Newcastle Board in general?
This will be nothing less than a protest against the team and the coaching staff, if they allow this rally to proceed – and that’s the very people who are trying to save the club this difficult season, and who need our support the most.
If we are defeated on Sunday, will the NUSC take responsibility for that?
While we are willing to back the NUSC if they are trying to help the club, this demonstration is nothing but a stupid endeavor, that we had hoped would have been canceled in the interests of helping the team as much as possible this Sunday, in what is a crucial game.
It will of course get huge backing from the gossip press (Mail, Sun, Mirror), who will no doubt all be there with their cameras clicking, and it will be all over the papers next Monday morning and further embarrass Newcastle United. The popular press just love this stuff, but at Newcastle United’s expense of course.
It has every chance of negatively impacting the players and coaching staff at Newcastle on Sunday, at a time when the fans should be giving the club their full support.
That’s why we think this rally is less than helpful.
82 comments so far
Stardust
Feb 20, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Comment #41John Wallsend – when demo’s hurt NUFC I have something to say about it!
as for “Newcastle’s fans deserve answers about the way their money is being spent.” Did these same morons choose to say anything when their money was being taken hand over fist by the previous regime.
ASHLEY hasnt made a penny, he has spent millions – youre argument on that point is a flawed as the demos themselves. Stop patronising us with Democracy – if they listened to a democratic view they would realise these 200 idiots DO NOT REPRESENT NEWCASTLE UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB.
But the press will lap it up – well done – moron
beyethegreat
Feb 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Comment #42stardust lol
i think you put the inverted commer in the wrong place lol
youre right these fans didnt say anything when ffs was in charge but that is irrelevant the supporters club was not set up then
and also their is no need to call people morons
you would get a lot more respectif you didnt start calling people names or say they arent true fans
Stardust
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Comment #43I stand by what I state Beye – NUSC are being ran by morons. They criticise the club for terrible PR and go on to make far bigger mistakes that everyone else combined.
My point about the previous regime was that they werent internally compelled to set up a Supporters Club at that time – even though the figures were out, and the club was being raped.
Tell me – just what they are hoping to achieve? Apart from an ego boost? I say agin they are Morons of a grade that normal morons can only aspire to.
ObaFan2
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM
Comment #44Respect lol, obviously if you do not agree you are a moron!
I personally will not be supporting NUSC this weekend but I do not see it being as detrimental as some point out, afterall it isn’t a protest!
John-Wallsend
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Comment #45Well for a start, Stardust, I think when Shepherd was in charge of Newcastle all of us complained about him, didn’t we?! So how are NUSC better or worse than any other fan?
The situation at Newcastle has meant that a supporters club is long over due.
I wasn’t patronising anyone, just pointing out that NUSC are doing nothing wrong with how they are conducting themselves. I can’t see why a forum for fans is a bad thing, and I certainly can’t see how a meeting at the Monument well before Kick Off can have any negative effect on the team!
beyethegreat
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Comment #46stardust
i dont know what it will achieve i personally am against it though it wont effect the team it will give toon fans a bad rep
Stardust
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Comment #47John – there are other supprters clubs that have existed for years, thats what Llambias meant recently – why should they all of a sudden be self annointed reps, when others have co-existed with the club for years. The only thing they have done well is picked a good name for marketing and got their timing right for launch. Shame theyve used that to disgrace us.
roscoe
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Comment #48I’m going to go watch the rally and laugh at all the idiots making a fool of themselves… should be good comedy!! MA will probably come along for a good chuckle as well… haha
Stardust
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM
Comment #49Beye – Chris Hughton recently told us the last demos totally undermined everything? why would this time be different?
beyethegreat
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM
Comment #50beyethegreat // Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM
no one makes me more proud to be a toon fan
you cant just blame ffs it was us fans who boood the him after we just finished 5th
10 Stardust // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Beyethegreat – I think you will find at the same time a campaign of sleeze, of dressing room disharmony etc etc were undermining Sir Bobby – all orchestrated by FFS and his mouthpiece at the time the half brained clueless Alan Oliver.
11 beyethegreat // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:05 PM
stardust how was it orchestrated by ffs ? are you saying that ffs purposselyruined sir bobby’s career
12 beyethegreat // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM
sir bobby’s toon career
also this is from the nusc post
Stardust // Feb 20, 2009 at 12:49 PM
John Wallsend – when demo’s hurt NUFC I have something to say about it!
as for “Newcastle’s fans deserve answers about the way their money is being spent.” Did these same morons choose to say anything when their money was being taken hand over fist by the previous regime.
ASHLEY hasnt made a penny, he has spent millions – youre argument on that point is a flawed as the demos themselves. Stop patronising us with Democracy – if they listened to a democratic view they would realise these 200 idiots DO NOT REPRESENT NEWCASTLE UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB.
But the press will lap it up – well done – moron
42 beyethegreat // Feb 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM
stardust lol
i think you put the inverted commer in the wrong place lol
youre right these fans didnt say anything when ffs was in charge but that is irrelevant the supporters club was not set up then
and also their is no need to call people morons
you would get a lot more respectif you didnt start calling people names or say they arent true fans
13 Stardust // Feb 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Beye – everyone around the city knew of the unrest, reports were daily re Bellamy and Shearer, Shearer and Dyer, parties ont he quayside with the bling brigade and Jenas.
SBR could never have been removed without these reports. A good friend of mine on a number of occassions spoke to AO direct to have a go at him for this very thing. AO stated – what was he meant to do – he was a sports reporter in the Chronicle and FFS was his source, he knew everyone didnt agree with what he wrote but he had no choice as if he didnt run articles that way he would be cut out. The man AO was a coward.
So in answer to your question – Yes FFS undermined then removed SBR.
but why would ffs do that?
stardust this will be different as their wont be as many this time and some1 said they are doing this before the match and once the match starts they are going to forget about it
Filby85
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Comment #51The NUSC are foolish and idiotic. At the moment we are getting more stabilised, and now they are planning this… There have been many reasons not to do this stated above so I am not going to repeat them. I just want to express my distaste for the NUSC.
By all acounts right now there should be a rally against the NUSC, since they are obviously run by morons. I cringe when I see these dumbasses on the news tarnishing our clubs reputation.
John-Wallsend
Feb 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Comment #52Stardust, true, there are other supporters groups but no one collective supporters group that has got the backing of the majority of fans. Other football clubs have got Supporters clubs like this, I want Newcastle to have one too. I’m sick of the people running Newcastle either getting away with things scot free or only being made to face a few spotty kids with bedsheets.
I want a proper supporters club, whether that’s NUSC or not we’ll have to wait and see.
Girth
Feb 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Comment #53Llambias – “I didnt like their tone”
Laymans terms- egotistical fools getting above themselves!
who the hell do they think they are man!
May walk through town on Sun see what they are actually doing, i hope to God some simpltans dont use this as an excuse to cause mass protest! But overall, i hope for a low turn out, embarasment by all involved and of course a win!
Derek The Bingo Caller Llambias
Feb 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Comment #54The match on Sunday is what is important to the club’s short term and long term future, a very important three points are at stake in what is a very difficult looking fixture.
The players and the manager need the fans backing to create a positive atmosphere which could be the telling difference between a result and going home with nothing.
The timing of this rally completely baffles me and despite reading so much about it I still have no idea what it is for.
Anyone from NUSC care to enlighten me?
Fog-on-the-Tyne
Feb 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Comment #55Ed are you for real…?
Can you kindly inform me why we are in this dire predicament again – would be the miss management by Ashley and cohort..? I think so! Furthermore I will be at the march, whilst displaying my dissatisfaction with management, particularly Wise’s appointment, furthermore I will continue to protest inside the ground – If so called big earners are unable to cope with fans concerns then they should not be at the club. At the end of the day, we the fans are the only ones fork out, both board and players receive financial reward, we do don’t, we simply attend as we love NUFC.
I sincerely pray we go down if this will rid us of this current structure! Bollocks to anyone who suggests that I am not a true fan – Wong, I’ve been and will continue to be a loyal supporter of NUFC !
DJG
Feb 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Comment #56NUSC are a buch of idiots. They are no supporters of NUFC they are TROUBLEMAKERS. I hope they are frowned upon by the real supporters on their way to SUPPORT the team.
Nobby_Long
Feb 20, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Comment #57Stardust,
Sorry, but I need to turn this back on you this time.
Hughton had to face protests inside the ground at the Hull game. There was a significant amount of bad feeling around.
This is a rally – not a protest inside the ground, so do not even try to compare the two.
As for NUSC being egotistical, well I’m sure there are those type of people in any walk of life and any organisation. There are many posting on this board who would seem to fit well with that description.
But why can’t you believe that in the main, they care for the club and have serious concerns about the direction in which it is being taken?
Some responses of a certain D. Llambias Esq to an number of questions posed to him, seem to indicate egotistical traits to say the least.
Your protestations and denouncing of any other point of view is adding as much if not more fuel to these flames and causing increased tension and verbal abuse on the boards.
Yet, you believe you are right. Why is that? Where is the evidence to support your position?
The two most powerful people at the club – Derek Llambias- buying & selling the Pies & Chips, with Dennis Wise buying & selling the playing staff. Yes, I’m sure Ashley has it spot on.
(& Yes before you say it – I have simplified things)
chuck
Feb 20, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Comment #58The above posts say more about the variety of fan opinions from Iconoclasts to pontificators to ignoramuses and plain windbags.
Mag 48
Feb 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Comment #59The board can not and will not be changing anything before the end of the season like it or not!The only change that could be made at a push is to change managers and this as much for Joe’s good as anything else If it’s not a protest which we don’t need at the moment and why do we need a rally There will I hope be enough rallying going on inside SJP
The time for protests will be when and if relegation looms.Even then I would rather see relegation parties like the Americans have hurrican parties.This has been the worst season I can remember in the 61 I have been a supporter.I think we should see it out cheering and singing we’ve had enough misery!!
TheDan
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Comment #60Seriously this ‘supporters club’ needs to wake up and realise that the vast majority of FANS do not want a protest, it also seems quite idiotic protesting when you have many of our players coming out saying morale is great at the minute. For what is this ‘rally’ going to achieve, for what muppet is supposed to be representing us, and why do supporters need to pay a membership fee to air their opinion on Newcastle United. The NUSC is a sham and a con, think of the money they are making from the press aswell as the subscribtion fees from the gullable fans.
I’m disgusted they are getting away with this and at a time the players need the support the most this small majority throws it in their faces!
Grow up and realise you do not speak on behalf of us!
Troy Stavers
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Comment #61@Stardust
Wind your neck in Starburst, everyone has a right to air their views. You seem to forget this is a democratic and free country.
They have every right to make Ashley aware that they aren’t happy with the way the club is being run.
If I was available, I would be there too.
Now in the words of Paddy Conroy during the fly on the wall programme,
“PUT THAT IN YOUR F**KING DOCRUMENTRARY!”
Troy Stavers
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Comment #62NUSC have never claimed they speak on behalf of all the fans. However just because they feel that strongly to protest and others don’t, doesn’t make it wrong.
TheDan
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Comment #63As you can tell this ‘rally’ has really angered me.
The thing I don’t agree with is why they don’t postone the protest for a while at least, all the wanted was a little communication, and I don’t know about you’s but I feel we’ve had a lot lately from Mr Llambias. If they just read what he’s said, and understand the vision statement, thats if these diluded fans know what one is, well they may agree with what Ashley and Co offers!
I just want to see the best for my club so I recommend all who are against this like me, should contact NUSC, here is the email for all those who wish too like me…. query@newcastle-united-supporters-club.co.uk
TheDan
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Comment #64Its really infuriated me how they have marketed this is a sort of fun ‘family fay out’.
The Rally arranged by NUSC on Sunday is planned to raise NUSC’s desire for Newcastle United Supporters to unite together in support of Newcastle United and where it stands in our hearts. NUSC believes that this is a critical point in our season and that unity is strength when it comes to shaping the future direction of the Club both on and off the field.
The timetable is as follows
* +2pm – entertainment by the Newcastle Drum Band
* 2.30pm speaking opportunity
* 2.50pm – musical interlude
* 3.00pm – second speaking opportunity
* 3.10pm – live music from “Oh Lads”
* 3.20pm third speaking opportunity
* 3.30pm musical finale and orderly disperse to St James’ Park for what hopefully will be 3 well earned points come 6pm.
(these times are flexible and may be liable to change)
the “staging” area will be at the south side of the monument facing down towards Grey St.
The whole emphasis will be on generating a fun, carnival atmosphere. We hope to have flags and banners on display and we welcome supporters to bring along and display their own flags. There will be an opportunity for those who wish to, to take up membership of NUSC.
Some members have requested that NUSC petition the executives of Newcastle United therefore members will be seeking support for the petition during the course of the rally.
There will be stewards on hand, wearing hi visibility jackets who will be there to assist anyone who requires help and a low key but nonetheless obvious police presence will be in the vicinity; as there would be on any normal match day.
NUSC politely request that those attending the rally pay respect to those who wish to go about their normal sunday shopping experience and allow them to do so with the minimum of distraction. We would also like to emphasise that this is not a protest and no march is planned or sanctioned nor permission requested by NUSC.
geordie jock
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Comment #65To all you anti NUSC get your facts right before you call them because you are going to look like absolute prats. You seem to be calling them because you havn’t got the balls to stand up for the club yourself. Anything that keeps Ashley on his toes has my support and i am 100% behind the team.
TheDan
Feb 20, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Comment #66Geordie Jock, This is why i’m not protesting.
I for one am for Ashley, I like everything he’s enforced and the only thing he has messed up was the whole Keegan saga which was always going to end in disaster because Keegan is a quiter!
I like the youth structure, I like the transfer policy which involves getting in hungry young players for cheap and building them up as appose to signing ‘trophy signings’.
So before you go blaming a man who has good intentions, maybe you should look both sides of an argument first!
Stardust
Feb 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Comment #67Well said The Dan – ive just emailed those morons masquerading as well meaning fools.
For all of those Supporting the Demo – please make sure to take your Banjo and Bedsheet – the stewards in their high vis vests wont let you in otherwise, oh and be prepared if you are interviewed by SSN to have your teeth smashed out by a hammer, just to give the right impression
geordie jock
Feb 20, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Comment #68TheDan, exactly what i said previous, who said protest, fans like you are just shouting down the NUSC without, as you said looking at both sides of the argument and seeing the facts. As for Ashley his youth structure and transfer policy are very admirable IF he is telling the truth. I have nothing against these policies in fact i am all for them. I am very pro Ashley because of his disrespect for the fans and that will not change until he shows us the respect we deserve.
TheDan
Feb 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Comment #69Fairplay Geordie Jock,
its just I have actually emailed NUSC and their reasons for this rally are due to the lack of communication from Derek Llambias, however; we’ve heard a lot lately so they could at least consider postponing until the end of the season?
Just a suggestion.
geordie jock
Feb 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Comment #70TheDan, Well received I can see what you are saying just surely this rally is only about getting new members as i think they have realised any protests would cause disruption. I am here to be proved wrong but i think they could become a good voice for the fans once they get more organised and get over any teething problems. Whatever happens we do need a voice as i, like many others are not convinced with Ashleys motives. Hopefully they are telling the truth and we can look to better times.
Phil Gosforth
Feb 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Comment #71Why do some on here think that its the fans fault we are in this mess ffs.Deluded.
2 years MA has had.How much further forward are we?
If was here to run a football club,he would have invested.Don’t say he’s skint,he’s still loaded.Doesn’t look poor @ Grosvenors every Fri and Sat does he.
He’s here to balance books,to show a good trading sheet for when it comes to getting rid.His vision is PROFIT.Show me different if I’m wrong but you can’t.If he wanted success,then why not put some money in ffs?You can’t run a club without investment.Or everyone would do it.You telling me that while Ars,Man U etc all run up debts to succeed,Mr CheapTrainers is gonna show them all how to win with nothing?LMAO.Majority of prem clubs in debt but managing it.The ones with ambition.
Everything they do is a joke,PR,transfers (lol).5 year plan? Who fell for that sh*te.3 years left in the 5 year plan then is there?or is it really a 7 yearplan?
They will say owt to get people off their backs.
If you believe them,then your a bigger fool than you ever imagined.ANY protest against the managment is welcomed to be brutally frank.Sitting there quietly and still giving him your cash is just what he wants.You aren’t giving your cash to the club.Where do you think it will go? lol.Invested back in the team?Looolololol.
If the management isn’t good enough for KK and Given,then it ain’t good enough for me.
John-Wallsend
Feb 20, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Comment #72I think some Newcastle fans have just got so used to supporting a mediocre football team that they’ve learned to accept it! I cringe when I compare the famous nights St James Park has witnessed to the dross we become accustomed to. It’s like fans have forgotten about the nights when we beat the likes of Barcelona and Juventus. Or when we beat Feynoord over in Holland to set up a Champions League tie with Inter.
The fans deserve days and nights like that again, not getting beaten by Hull – Hull ffs – or the great unwashed down the road.
As long as Ashley is in charge at NUFC I want to know why he is allowing results like that to happen. I want to know why he didn’t back Keegan in the transfer market and I want to know how he intends getting Newcastle back up to the heights we once enjoyed.
Del boys interview and his talk of 5 year plans didn’t convince me that any of them know what they’re doing. I want it down in black and white.
Girth
Feb 20, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Comment #73upon further analysis, and reading of the situation (along with alot of vodka in floritas) stardust is the only person on here who speaks sense!
Prepare yourself to look like a tool in the eyes of the national media once again people!
ps i have a frined down in southampton, and i asked hm simply what impression people had of nufc down there!! What stardust says is true, we are looked at like pastie eating monkeys and are taken for what people see on tv, even on those mid day unemployed radgie days!
I pray that people dont use this as an excuse to cause trouble, cause it WILL reflect negativly on getting new players, buyers, fans and fu*k it, anyone…near Newcastle ever again!!
mattyNUFC
Feb 21, 2009 at 1:35 AM
Comment #74john – wallsend,
you say we’ve been taken for mugs, etc
well, according to my information, the transfer window has been closed for a few weeks and what could the board possibly do right now, protest or no protest?
reguardless if you make 100k every single day, it doesnt matter. these guys are still human and can still be shaken up. they call it a “fun generator” the rally but whatever way you put it, everybody knows why NUSC is there, cause theyre acting childish because the board wont personally speak to them, and bravo to the board for not talking to these clowns. if we’re so down in the dumps right now (which we are), what would anything other than fully supporting the club as a whole do for our relegation scrap? NOTHING.
shuuuuutup
howay the lads!
2-1 to the boys!
LeeV
Feb 21, 2009 at 8:15 AM
Comment #75You know, it’s every paying fans and NUFC supporters obligation to air their views and frustrations about issues with the way in which their club is performing, but how much of this mess has been contributed by the backlash of some supporters? It’s clear that the behaviour of fans influence the players and the way they play as well as any prospective players or coaching staff. Fans need to unite and help galvanise the club as clearly the club themselves appear unable to solve the situation at present and need our help. Idiots like NUSC need to sit back on their sofas and find another way of entertaining themselves as protests and alike only add distractions, particularly at a critical stage when everyone needs to remain focussed..If NUSC really supported NUFC then protest at least on a different day to the game to mitigate any ill feeling them may impose. Would you tell your kids bad news on the day they had their exams?
Troy Stavers
Feb 21, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Comment #76girth and stardust
its people like you who get this club into the mess its in. If it wasnt for the vocal supporters demanding the owners communicate better then we still wouldnt have heard from them.
So do us all a favour, speak out by all means when appropriate but wind your neck in when criticising those who fight for their clubs interests.
Absolute ineffectual people.
Stardust
Feb 21, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Comment #77Stavers – you have to remember Ive known you since you were a child, you are hate filled about everything. I neither respect nor listen to a word you say. I have told you to your face, you live to hate Newcastle, I live to support it. Shame on you.
Troy Stavers
Feb 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Comment #78the difference between me and you is, i have had a season ticket since i was 11. You bought one when kk arrived in the 90s and chucked it when you hated sir bobby! I still go, you dont, i hate the current regime and i am entitled to an opinion, youre not.
Stardust
Feb 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Comment #79Lol Stavers – very funny – no bite here – but to explain to others – my break in my attendance was with Roeder (who I hated – but I still owned and paid for the box that year) and Shepherd (who I knew from reading the accounts was “removing” money from the club -)
Now as we are talking about today – you only go if we give you a ticket – you hang around like a bad smell not wanting to put a penny of your miserly earned pounds into the club – because in your words “you hate Ashley so much”
geordie jock // Feb 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM
” You seem to be calling them because you havn’t got the balls to stand up for the club yourself”
Geordie – I have stood up for the club in the face of all the knee jerking demos right from KK walking, and everything I have stood for has been vindicated by facts that are released with time.
I would not turn my back on a man – Ashley – who I believe could be the best thing ever to happen to NUFC. He is realistic, putting in good foundations, cleared off debt – but people still prefer to see him as a witch and keep stabbing him to see if he bleeds to prove themselves right.
It would be far easier to take your view of him, I havent took the easy route – far from it – and have campaigned along with others on here for almost a year on his behalf.
The real people who lack balls are the ones who jump on bandwagons because they were grieving at KK leaving – they did that like children without standing up on their own and thinking about things. They were the real Cowards in all of this – and to this day still are.
workyticket
Feb 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Comment #80LeeV // Feb 21, 2009 at 8:15 AM
“…but how much of this mess has been contributed by the backlash of some supporters?”
Well look at West Ham. They’ve been in a similar position to us with the issues surrounding departure of Curbishley, a financial crisis with all their players allegedly up for sale, the loss of an important player, a potential sale of the club etc. Their supporters haven’t turned against the club in the same way that ours have, so how have they compared?