Joe Kinnear Already Discussing Summer Transfer Targets


It’s been revealed today by Newcastle Managing Director Derek Llambias, that not only has Joe Kinnear been constantly on the phone this last week, but he is regularly discussing summer transfer targets with Llambias.

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Joe Kinnear – transfer business is ongoing at Newcastle

We had a piece on Joe yesterday, and Derek and Ashley are trying to ensure Joe got some rest, before he comes back in control at Newcastle.

And Joe of course Kinnear has already tried to return to work, if only via phone, and the Newcastle manager has been in regular contact with Cris Hughton, as well as Llambias. Joe seems the consummate workaholic.

From some of the comments last night on the blog, it’s clear a segment of Newcastle fans are not convinced at all that Joe is the right man for the job, but he’ll get at least two years in the job, so whether we like him or not, let’s try to support the guy and his players.

It’s going to happen, so let’s try to see if we can make him, and therefore the Newcastle club, successful again. That seems a fair request.

One interesting thing that Derek added this morning in the Newcastle Journal, was that Joe has been on the phone with him regularly to discuss summer transfer targets.

We went after a number of decent players in January including Michael Johnson, Nedum Onuoha, Miguel Veloso, Albin Ebondo, Mamadou Sakho and Stephane Mbia amongst them, and it’s good if the club is continuing to work on potential deals.

Llambias has said that transfer negotiations at Newcastle are ongoing in this area.

We hope we can indeed get some deals lined up, which we can then execute in June, and not again leave things until the last moment.

In fact because we see a few players leaving in June, like Owen, Viduka, Geremi, Cacapa and possibly Smith, we will need to get new players in to replace them fairly soon.

Derek said:

“Chris Hughton and Colin Calderwood are in charge of the team in his absence and we are happy to have them. But when Joe’s well again he will be back in charge.

“He has targeted the Stoke game for his comeback and I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to come back sooner than that. We have to reign him in a bit, though. We have to sensible and so does he.”

The Stoke game is Saturday April 11th, and we’ll still have 7 games to play, at that time, and it’s a fair bet that Joe will be back even before then.

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52 comments so far

  • lesh

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #1

    I’d like to think that Joe’d have complete control of comings and goings – subject to budget of course – and we do not have a repeat of last year’s debacle!

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  • aus_toon_todd

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #2

    ??? i’m wondering how we’re going to stay up!!

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #3

    Isnt Joe supposed to hand a list to Dennis on the 1st of August or has that system been scrapped.
    If Dennis Wise is the Director of football dealing with football matters and Llambias the Director dealing with income and stadium management then why is he speaking to Llambias.
    How can you target players if you dont have a budget?

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  • ronaldeano

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #4

    @Ed

    Read this article Hitman posted earlier

    Evrything in it is absolutely spot on

    http://www.newcastle-online.org/2009/02/25/ashleys-kitchen-nightmares/

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  • RyanToon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #5

    we need to get players in early, not the last minute for a change

    whats that joe?? were gonna sign riquelme 😉 hope so 😉

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  • valle

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #6

    I dont think Joe is the right man, and i dont think its a good move anyway since Joe wont last much more than those 2 years in the job being 62 years old, so its also lacking long term planning… BUT… The club has decided so whatever I or any of you guys think wont matter didly sh*t… In conclusion i agree with Ed that this is how things are, so lets back the team the best we can and hope to move forward.

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  • Nick D

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #7

    If he is here for another 2 years, then after 38 years watching them, they can stick their season ticket.

    Garbage manager, it’s a total embarrassment. A guy who gets the job totally by default cos no decent bugger would take it.

    What has he done to deserve it? We average a point a game. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough, you can only go on watching same old, same old crap for so long.

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  • Nick D

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #8

    ronaldeano yes jus saw that. you’re right it’s spot on.

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #9

    I’m just hoping the team get better at banging out the deals, as January was a farce. That said, some of the results from it have been good, and the overall profile of player we’re after seems to be working.

    JFK knows what he wants and needs, and I think we’ll see a loosening of purse strings as Ed suggests.

    First up for me is a naturally defensive LB for when we’re up against someone that Enrique may struggle against. I’m starting to really like the guy, but we need competition as well as options.

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #10

    I’m going to be deeply unpopular here, but I disagree with pretty much every post on here so far, and with some of that (very well-written) article.

    We have very little evidence to suggest that JFK isn’t capable of delivering the goods in the longer term. We’re basing it more on his past reputation, Tourettes issues and a run of games with so many unsettling factors that it’s impossible to know what lost us points.

    What we do know is that we need stability.

    I’m not convinced about JFK either, or about the management structure, or about many of the other things that article wants changes to.

    BUT the one constant we’ve had for too long IS change. Now’s the time to stop that and let the dust settle so we can see what really does need adjustment.

    Things are improving. JFK hasn’t excelled, but he works well with the management and given the problems we’ve had, our position compared to a few months ago, and our current form ain’t bad.

    I say: leave it, stop whining, and let this big plan take root now that it’s starting to show promise.

    The only thing we should adjust right now is the playing staff, in the summer – and we don’t need radical surgery there either; just more numbers and a few key, quality players.

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  • Toronto_Toon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #11

    I agree it was a good article, Ronaldeano, but I’m afraid that the decision about JFK has been made.

    I’m really surprised that a businessman of Ashley’s success is going to take such a gamble. [I guess he has appointed a casino manager as the club’s MD though, so it’s in keeping with that.]

    I’ll still support the Toon, but I guess this decision is a commitment to mid-table success next year, with a look to capitalise on other club’s rash expenditure.

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #12

    I think if JFK had a different accent people would be cutting him more slack…

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  • hitman

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #13

    whats the point in ashley putting millions into the academy,if he has a manager like JFKwho has no faith in the youth(or so im lead to believe).

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  • hitman

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #14

    whumpie thats bollox

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  • Whumpie

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #15

    Ok, so that was a bit sweeping, but with some posts about JFK you do have to wonder.

    Given that we only see matches and not training, that we’re not privvy to any of the meetings or conversations, and – frankly – that none of us is a trained, qualified, experienced manager and he is…

    What exactly is it that makes some people so convinced that he’s not going to deliver?

    To me it just sounds like the usual ‘change everything’ brigade who will always want the current, usually foreign, uber-manager who is unavailable, overpriced and with little or no appropriate experience. It’s the same with players. The lists of “sack this lot” you get on here are daft.

    If we’ve no real evidence that JFK won’t cut it (I have my doubts, but no evidence) but we all know that we desperately need stability… why change the manager AGAIN??

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  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #16

    Stability is Fine – but stability is NOT Joe Kinnear. Are you kidding me Ed? Honestly you cannot seriously believe that this guy is gonna lead us back to the top half of the league.
    It’s driving me mad how people seem to have blinkers on to everything thats happening at the club – How many games has Kinnear actually won? 4 or 5? And you want him as your permanent manager??? I just do not understand at all and these sort of articles make my blood boil even harder.

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  • Nobby_Long

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #17

    Whumpie – so you are ignoring his tactical set up of the team, lack of plan A – never mind a plan B, team selections and subsitutions then??? they are evidence in my eyes

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  • workyticket

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #18

    Whumpie // Feb 25, 2009 at 12:26 PM

    “What exactly is it that makes some people so convinced that he’s not going to deliver?”

    They don’t know much about football Whumpie, and they’re confusing him with Bobby Gould at Wimbledon with all the quips about “long balls” and “dinosaurs”. They don’t realise that Kinnear’s Wimbledon were actually much more sophisicated than they were given credit for, and that Newcastle’s problems won’t be solved overnight.

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  • beyethegreat

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #19

    10 Whumpie // Feb 25, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    I’m going to be deeply unpopular here, but I disagree with pretty much every post on here so far, and with some of that (very well-written) article.

    We have very little evidence to suggest that JFK isn’t capable of delivering the goods in the longer term. We’re basing it more on his past reputation, Tourettes issues and a run of games with so many unsettling factors that it’s impossible to know what lost us points.

    What we do know is that we need stability.

    I’m not convinced about JFK either, or about the management structure, or about many of the other things that article wants changes to.

    BUT the one constant we’ve had for too long IS change. Now’s the time to stop that and let the dust settle so we can see what really does need adjustment.

    Things are improving. JFK hasn’t excelled, but he works well with the management and given the problems we’ve had, our position compared to a few months ago, and our current form ain’t bad.

    I say: leave it, stop whining, and let this big plan take root now that it’s starting to show promise.

    The only thing we should adjust right now is the playing staff, in the summer – and we don’t need radical surgery there either; just more numbers and a few key, quality players.

    i agree whumpie

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  • Shot Bru

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #20

    Whumpie the evidence that Kinnear can’t cut is the fact that he’s had to have a heart bypass 18 games into his ‘interim tenure’. In this time he’s won a grand total of 4 games less than 25% win ratio, and to think with 12 games left we need another 4 wins to stay up.

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  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #22

    I’m sorry Workyticket but I do know about Football I’ve loved the game for as long as I can remember going back to the early 80’s and ok you’re right Kinnear’s Wimbledon played some good stuff when he was at the peak of his game – but he’s what 63 now? With a serious heart condition. Do this not mean anything to you? I mean what if (God forbid) this happens again? It’s not long term planning, it’s not clever and it could potentially be fatal for us as a club and Kinnear – but what the hell if it’s Cheap and quick eh? Newcastle Utd bargain summer sale

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  • workyticket

    Feb 25, 2009 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #25

    Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt // Feb 25, 2009 at 12:52 PM

    “…but he’s what 63 now? With a serious heart condition. Do this not mean anything to you?”

    It didn’t seem to mean much for Harry Redknapp, Gerard Houllier, Graeme Souness and a host of other managers who returned to the game fighting fit after similar problems, and some worse than Joe’s. The first two examples are more or less the same age as Kinnear (he’s 62 BTW), so why should he be any different?

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  • Toronto_Toon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #26

    Workyticket – The point is that unlike the others you mentioned he’s 63, and was brought in as an emergency measure! So comparing him to other managers with heart difficulties is a bit spurious.

    JFK only got the job because Ashley was talking about selling the club, and no respectable manager would come in under those conditions.

    If Ashley is now not selling, then that scenario changes.

    I would be very surprised if the Board is not preparing a plan B, but are waiting until a more opportune time. I expect JFK to get a job upstairs some time in the next few months.

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  • Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt

    Feb 25, 2009 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #27

    Redknapp suffered from a minor heart murmour not a full blown by pass and Houllier although he returned was no where near the same manager he was before the problems. I take what you’re trying to say but at 62 and heart problems you still want this man as a long term solution? That’s pure insanity. Realistically how much longer can he go? 2 or 3 seasons more at most I’d rather he leave with our fond best wishes than try and struggle on

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  • lesh

    Feb 25, 2009 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #28

    C’mon Shot Bru @24, read the article with open eyes eh? It appears to be written by someone who’s an axe to grind with Joe. It’s hardly even-handed and dare I say it, it sounds as though Stuart Robson’s trying his best to run Joe down.

    How’s about we recognise that what the club needs is stability and that includes at management level.

    I’m confident that MA’s had his eyes opened and will take footballing advice next season and we should do better than this….. assuming we stay up!

    Joe may not be the ideal for everybody, but one thing’s for sure, he’s worked his chuckies off for the club. Bearing in mind that everybody’s got talent of some description, we need to identify Joe’s strengths and use them to compliment those of a really good coach.

    Let’s focus on those strengths and stop doing the guy down!

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  • workyticket

    Feb 25, 2009 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #29

    Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt // Feb 25, 2009 at 1:42 PM

    “…Realistically how much longer can he go? 2 or 3 seasons more at most I’d rather he leave with our fond best wishes than try and struggle on”

    Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt, Alex Ferguson’s almost 70. He’s had heart problems too and had to have a pacemaker fitted when he was around the same age as Kinnear. He’s still manages to “struggle on” over five years later, somehow. 🙂

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  • playzoginthemiddle

    Feb 25, 2009 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #30

    We went after a number of decent players in January including Michael Johnson, Nedum Onuoha, Miguel Veloso, Albin Ebondo, Mamadou Sakho and Stephane Mbia amongst them, and it’s good if the club is continuing to work on potential deals.

    Yes, Ed and how many did the Kinnear-Wise double act manage to get to sign?

    Oh, yes, that’s right.

    Maybe next summer they can target ronaldinho, Ronaldo (not the fat one) and Kaka. We’re just as likely to get them.

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  • chuck

    Feb 25, 2009 at 3:43 PM

    Comment #31

    Hey, Veloso, Sissoko, Mbia, Ebondo and the two youngsters from Citeh, sound pretty good to me.
    If they are the type of players Joe is attempting to get then it`s fine by me.
    Better than anything we have signed this year.

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  • DanToon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM

    Comment #32

    I’m getting angry with this whole having Joe Kinnear as manager next season, the man is a p;ss poor coach!

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  • ObaMartins

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:00 PM

    Comment #33

    We have been discussing Transfer Targets for the Last 20 month, thats all they ever come out with…tobe Honest iam sick of this POOPaganda time after time….5year plan after he failed to sell the Club…yea right lol

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  • Nick D

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:30 PM

    Comment #34

    How can anyone mention Fergie and Kinnear in the same breath. One has won everything with a certain bit of style, even though I can’t stand him and the other has won nothing ever with awful football.

    Kinnear whether you like it or not = long ball, offsides, kicking people, no plan B, poor tactics, poor subs, no youth etc etc.

    MARTINEZ = the future.

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  • Johno Toon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #35

    DanToon , what has jfk coaching abilities got to do anything with his ability as a manager? I think he has done a good job under the circumstances and i wont forget he came in when nobody else would. Loyailty is a two way street as far as im concerned

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  • Nick D

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #36

    Chuck if he allegedly tried to get these players -that would be great, but where are they, even just one? Who wants to play for Joe Kinnear !! The reality is Lovenkrands, Nolan and Taylor who would get nowhere near the top 6 teams.

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  • Nick D

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #37

    Johno he was out of work. He could hardly have got a more prominent shop window and get paid 30K a week at the same time for it.!!!

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  • Johno Toon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    Comment #38

    so was anybody we would of offered the job ( bar maybe the few who do the tv commentry ) to. Fact is we took a gamble and so did he. And under the circumstances he has done a good job and deserves his 2 year contract imo

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  • workyticket

    Feb 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM

    Comment #39

    Nick D // Feb 25, 2009 at 4:30 PM

    “Kinnear whether you like it or not = long ball, offsides, kicking people, no plan B, poor tactics, poor subs, no youth etc etc.”

    No NickD, that says more about your lack of football knowledge than it does about Kinnear. You’ve read an article somewhere about Bobby Gould’s Wimbledon ‘long ball merchants’ and immediately assumed that Kinnear was the same. He wasn’t. He had them playing lots of five a sides and working on their passing game to great effect, just ask some of the Wimbledon players of the time. BTW, Kinnear wasn’t “out of work’ when he came to Newcastle. He was a highly regarded freelance scout who worked for top clubs such as Arsenal. Wenger is still very good friends with Kinnear, and respects his knowledge of the game completely. Though of course, his knowledge of the game is somewhat limited compared with yours.

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  • Johno Toon

    Feb 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #40

    agree worthy ticket think a few people just assume kinnear has no clue about football but i think people either forget or dont realise what a postion we were in when he first arrived

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