Draw Not Good Enough – Bring In Venables Now

There is news this morning that Mike Ashley is thinking of bringing in Terry Venables to manage the club until the end of the season, with Joe Kinnear being laid up during that time.


 Terry Venables – is he coming to manage Newcastle?

 Ashley, probably correctly, has given Chris Hughton and Colin Calderwood the chance to take over the reigns with Joe Kinnear out, but the results just haven’t been good enough, following yesterday’s tame draw at Hull, which is a game we should have won, given our position in the league.

Since the West Brom games, we have played 4 games and have just two draws against Everton at home and Hull away, and have been beaten by Bolton and Manchester United.

So if we count the 5 games earlier in the season that Hughton was in charge of, then in 9 games we have 2 draws.

Yes – you can put the WBA in there as a Hughton win, but Joe was heavily involved in the build up to that game.

So however good a guy Chris is, and he really wants to stay in charge, we think the news that Venables may be brought in, will be well received by Newcastle fans. Of course Terry turned down the job last September because he couldn’t be guaranteed a full time position, with Ashley trying to sell the club at that time.

It’s something Joe Kinnear may not be too keen on, but it’s hard to argue it’s right for the club, so we can at least maintain our Premier League status, which is the major aim of this terrible season, we’ve all had.

However, the People is also reporting this morning that Joe Kinnear has had a setback in his recovery from triple byp[ass surgery, and his return may now be delayed, and it’s not even clear that he will be able to return to manage Newcastle.

Again we don’t know if this story is true, but it would put another twist on things that Ashley may be forced to find a manager for the rest of the season.

So this news in different forms is is being reported in the Sunday Express, the People, and is also being talked about on Sky Sports News.

We hope the bit about Venables coming in to manage Newcastle until the end of the season is true, because yesterday, as we said before the game, was a real watershed game for Newcastle.   And a draw was just not good enough. Our two next games are at home against revitalized teams Arsenal and Chelsea, so we have to win the game we can – like at Hull yesterday.

Heaven knows how much Ashley will pay Venables, but we think it will be high enough for Terry to take up the challenge for 9 games, and if he keeps Newcastle up, we would expect him to get a nice bonus. It would be worth it to Ashley and the Newcastle club, that’s for sure.

We hope Terry is installed before our next game against Arsenal and we trust that Hughton and Calderwood will fully support him, and we fully expect that, since they are both excellent professionals, and have the good of the club at heart.

We’ll run a poll on whether our readers think Mike should bring in Venables now – please vote.


Comments welcome.

42 comments so far

  • spiderpig

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #1

    as far as i can see.any coach who plays ameobi is not a coach.i watched the game and when he came on he strolled around doing nothing until the ball went near him then either fell over it or conceded a free kick.i could have put my foot thru the tv.we had lovenkrands and carroll on the bench who both have more to offer than him.if we keep doing this we are down.oh yeah and for all you jonas lovers,he was shite again.he has no final ball and cant shoot.hurry up back nolan,barton and guthrie please.and while we are at it venables could at least pick a team to score a goal because hughton cant

  • repo

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #2



  • Ashley Hole

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #3



    S.Taylor Beye Bassong Enrique

    Duff Barton Nolan Jonas

    Owen Martins

    may be we have a little chance to survive…but i think its too late…9 hard games left…not a
    diffucult places like Hull.
    ..so next season..it looks like this…at least youngsters get more time on field


    Beye S Taylor ? ?

    R Taylor Nolan Lua Lua ?

    Carroll Ranger

  • geordiehammer

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #4

    What the hell is Venables going t0 do in the ten games left? he did’nt help Leeds did he, they went down!
    Fact is, we did’nt have any creativity in the midfield at Hull, Geremi and Butt are past it and Smith is a headless chicken. We mayhave a chance if Barton, Nolan and Guthrie get fit.
    The strikers need the service to score goals.
    I just dont think Venables is the answer !!

  • Widowmaker

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #5

    I thought the Lamb was once saying that some top top managers are interested in taking over. I am sure Ed also covered the interview on the blog.

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #6

    We should leave Hughton in charge. Why should Venables have the honour of taking us down and then get a few milion as a pay off. At least the chuckle brothers would be sacked in may. JK is not coming back. Thankfully. How bad is this club.? we are pining for JK to come back mid April with 4 games left to save us. We are sad, desperate people aren’t we. DOWNDOWN DOWN. Or we could be patient and give MA and the Chuckles a chance and make our judgments at the end season!!!!! Muppets.

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #7

    Looks like Terry is into faith management. Not even Allah can save us Tel. But do you fancy 3 mill for two months work. No strings attached except a bit of abuse from the Toon Brigade (The Army will be a lot smaller in May) at the end of the season?

  • Jan Stavik

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #8

    Haha, I read this morning that Newcastle are putting together a package for Kinnear, Hughton and Calderwood till 2011.

    Great work Ashley and Llamblas, if this is true the club will go down the drain.

    Awful news, I really hope this is not true.

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #9

    Quote from KK in The Sun
    “kevin have you any comment on NUFC’s predicament?”
    “It’s very sad whats happened to the club after I left. There was no need for it to happen. Thankfully MA has acknowledged the mistakes. I’m six million better off so its not all bad news. Fancy that, six million for sitting at home and watching the Toon go down. It takes the edge off the disappointment. See you, I’mm off on holiday to Barbados to get over it. I might even come back and manage the club again if MA will offfer the same terms. 35 degres inh Barbados. I’m feeling better already.”

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #10

    Its probably true. The incompetence of MA is unbelievable. The only way to get him out is to empty the ground. I won’t be back after relegation til he’s gone.

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #11

    Just what is the reord for most managers in a season?
    That is what I call stability!!!

  • Nick D

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #12

    While Venables would be an improvement on the 3 stooges, he didn’t exactly save leeds in the same situation and with Smith and Viduka it would be deja vu.

    No speed in midfield at all when we could have put in Lua and lovenkrands. Carroll is as poor as Ameobi in truth. Give ranger a blast even if it’s only 20 mins.

    Hughton, Calderwood and Kinnear are all FA products who encourage long ball, negative offside tactics rather than any flair or creativity.

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #13

    The Toon Army has been ground down into submission by MA. The only thing worse than rebellion is submission and indifference. We can’t evn be bothered to protest at MA and Hughton destroying ther club. We know we are going down and we are just accepting it. We are being “patient” and giving them a chance.

  • Hugh de Payen

    Mar 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #14

    I have us getting another 9 points:

    # Arsenal (H) … Lose … 0 pts.
    # Chelsea (H) … Lose … 0 pts.
    # Stoke (A) … Draw … 1 pt.
    # Spurs (A) … Draw … 1 pt.
    # Portsmouth (H) … Win … 3 pts.
    # Liverpool (A) … Lose … 0 pts.
    # Middlesbrough (H) … Win … 3 pts.
    # Fulham (H) … Draw … 1 pt.
    # Villa (A) … Lose … 0 pts.

    Will 38 be enough to avoid relegation?

  • jimiley

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #15

    No its not and we won’t get that many either. We will be detached from 4th bottom by the Portsmouth game and our “lions” will have given up

  • Nick D

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #16

    Yes stability is required, but not with this bunch of clowns. The only thing they will bring is successive relegations. Souness, Roeder, Fat Sam now these boys. Well that’s it for me. The camels back is finally shattered. If these guys are here next year, I won’t be!

    By Dave. Posted March 15 2009 at 10:22 AM.

    Clueless. Mike Ashley is bringing this club down. If we survive in the Premiership (and that is a mighty big IF), these 3 are simply not good enough to manage a top flight side as this season has shown.

    By Andy. Posted March 15 2009 at 8:58 AM.

    If Newcastle stay up then Bruce will be in charge next season.

    By Matt. Posted March 15 2009 at 1:45 AM.

    Absolutely appalling decision to keep these idiots in charge.
    Kinnear has been nothing short of an embarrassment since he arrived. I wish Joe well but NEVER EVER want to see him back at SJP.

    Ashley, you are a clueless idiot if you think these clowns are the answer.

    By David Scott. Posted March 15 2009 at 12:41 AM.

    Good, it has been proved that clubs need stability possibly not right man but if he is here for 2 1/2 years then will back him and allow team and manager to develop. providing of course we can avoid relegation


  • Ericles

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #17

    How on earth can we stay up when our management clowns insist on playing the likes of Smith, Butt and Geremi? I am sick and tired of these tired out has beens being prioritised at the expense of better players. And no way can we tolerate the recruitment of that cashmere overcoat spiv Venereal Balls! Ashley has no idea whatsoever. Hughton and Calderwood have not got a clue. as their unimaginative and uninspired midfield choices take us down into the Coca Cola division. They are a second rate management insisting on playing a trio of hacks in the midfield. Get rid of this southern connection NOW!

  • AussieToon

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #18

    I have got my head around thinking about relegation and the “positives” it can bring. Look no one wants it, but instead of banging my head against the wall, every week with quotes from incompetence, tactics from incompetence, and watching the skill level of amateurs I am thinking of this team, and this club as being relegated and what possible positives it could bring;

    * Could Mike Ashley sell the club and cut his losses if we go down at a bargain price?

    * Could the club get a young manager like Tamiri Ketsbaia who seems to be able to perform miracles?

    * Could the talented youngsters in our squad get more of a go and we get players who actually give a damn on the pitch?

    * Could we get rid of the overpayed, underperformed, horrible players that currently take the field?

    * Could it begin a new lease on life for Newcastle United, where we dont by players coming for a last chance, we dont over pay on shocking players, we build our own and only invest on players willing to die for the cause, and we return to the entertaining days?

    This club needs a total rebuild and makeover, a new dawn, a fresh start, a time to get rid of the cancers that occupy our wage bill, and people that have no love for this club other than the dollars it could make them!

    Relegation could bring that……..

  • Craigg

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #19

    I pray to god this is true, While Venables isnt everybodies cup of tea he would at least try to get us to play football, Something JFK wont

    He is still regarded by many as a fine coach, Many of the Current England team praised his methods.

    We arent out of it yet, Stoke really are as bad as they look on the box, Weve beaten Spurs in our last six league meetings home and away, We can certainly beat Fulham, Boro and Portsmouth at home and the last three seasons we have lost just once in six home matches against Arsenal and Chelsea.

    There is one place up for grabs as West Brom have gone and Boro will no doubt follow.

  • Craigg

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #20

    Aussie Toon:

    While i agree with some of your points with relegation having a few silver linings.
    (Ive thought the same in recent weeks)

    I would just say that Southampton since relegation have done something similar, They brought in continental coaches who preach slick, pass and move football and have brought virtually all of their youth team through and despite being easy on the eye they are on the verge of going down another division.

    I personally pray that we scrape to safety and some Arab Oil baron takes pity on us.

  • AussieToon

    Mar 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #21

    Craigg, that scenario would be ideal, but I can’t see Ashley going if we stay up, and that means more incompetence, and the fact he wants to keep on JFK for another three years is pure frightening.

    If we survive this season, it will be the same old story every year from here on in with Mike Ashley and his bunch of twits!

  • Craigg

    Mar 15, 2009 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #22

    Aussie Toon:

    The most frightening thing is that JFK seems immune from being removed,Ashley seems to have promised him a new contract whether we stay up or not!

    The most depressing thing ive seen in ages is on NUFC.COM just 5 seasons ago today we went and won at Charlton 2-0, Sitting 3rd in the league, 3 days after outclassing Inter Milan on their own patch, with an outside chance of winning the league, With Bobby Robson in charge and Alan Shearer leading from the front as captain.

    Now were joint 3rd from bottom, a day after being outclassed by Hull, with an inside chance of playing fizzy pop football, With Joe Kinnear in charge and Michael Owen counting the days to his bosman as captain.

  • jim

    Mar 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #23

    Your a weirdo you Ed ! -u wont put the poll on to vote on Keegan but u will for venables??? that said, ide have venables in for now, but why wont u put the Keegan one on? u scared of the results of the vote ? ? ?

  • jim

    Mar 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #24

    and will u stop saying “the Newcastle club” and say Newcastle United !

  • Mag 48

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #25

    It would appear that the only people doing a good job at Nufc are the fans and supporters
    Management are the worst we have ever had.With talk they are to be retained
    The team can never put in two performances alike
    And who the hell knows what the Board is up to
    We need someone to pull it all together On paper we have a good team but watching them play its not a “team” no plan or system
    Surely the power that be can see this.

  • NorthernPaul

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #26

    It would appear that none of the issues that the fans have been banging on about for the last year have been addressed.

    No creativity.

    Players don’t care.

    Squad not big enough.

    Etc, etc, et bloody cetera.

    That is why we are going down. The simple fact is that WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

    The only reason we stayed up last year was because Owen hit a bit of goal scoring form. I cant see him doing that this year, and I cant see anyone else providing any sort of inspiration.

    The only person who seems to give a crap on the field is Nicky Butt. The rest are merely filling a shirt.

    I really don’t want us to go down, but I honestly dont see how we can stay up.

  • Sav

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #27

    There are no positives about relegation.

    I can only see it as less likely we’ll get to see MA’s barrow laden with cheap shirts being trundled back down the M1. Who’ll pay him for a Championship side? And at heart he’s a clever-dick risk-taker who is unlikely to admit his mistakes and learn from them.

    At least El Tel will speak the same lingo as the rest of the coaching staff. here’s a quick handy reference guide:-

    Rotten Fruit = Shoot
    Horse’s Ass = Pass
    Tinker’s Toss = Cross
    Jackson Five = Dive
    Albert Hall = Through ball
    Day of the Jackal (known as a ‘Dave’) = Tackle
    Essex Slag = Corner flag
    Jack Warner =Corner
    Pointy Stick = Penalty
    Sea Sick =Free Kick
    Pig’s Grunt = Mr. Ashley

  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #28

    Funny Sav : )

  • Michael12

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #29

    @Nick D: // Mar 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM
    “…..Well that’s it for me. The camels back is finally shattered. If these guys are here next year, I won’t be”

    Stardust called it, shaking the monkeys from the tree or some such in a prior debate.

    That is poor approach and rather Keegan like to walk when things are not going well.

    @Mag 48: You say that only the fans are doing a good job; indeed a good job at moaning. Also, you touched on consistency, suggesting the teams performance is different from one game to the next. Well the fans you lauded at the beginning are inconsistent, one moment applauding the team and another, slandering them; your assessment is poor.

    What we must understand now is that, the transfer window is closed, you cannot at this stage simply throw a player in to fill an area in which e are lacking. That is why we have a manager, to manage the situation. Players not playing well enough? There is no silver bullet solution that will suddenly show up in the next game at Arsenal. It is something on which is being currently being worked.

    We must understand that the league is very competitive and even the pundits on Match of the day remarked how tight things are. With 9 games still remaining there is still the chance to elevate ourselves in the top half come the season’s end. Fulham in 9th are concerned as two or three bad results can leave them in the mire.

    So get a hold on your emotions.

  • Michael12

    Mar 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #30

    @Jim: What is this Keegan vote of which you speak?

  • Sav

    Mar 15, 2009 at 2:14 PM

    Comment #31

    When will you be 13, sonny?

  • Michael12

    Mar 15, 2009 at 3:54 PM

    Comment #32

    @Sav: I am afraid that age joke was never funny.

  • jim

    Mar 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #33

    Bsically ive asked Ed 5/6 times now to do a simple but quick post to vote whos in favour of Keegan returning as boss-hes ignored it each time, unless he doesnt even read the blog lol-but ive e mailed them twice too-was just to find out how many on the blog would want Keegan back in the hotseat even at this stage-i had also wrote in my comment asking if anyone would take charge and get in touch with the rest of the blogs/websites editors etc and do the same-giving a picture of how many would like him back-im not saying everyone will-but thats what a vote is for-seems Eds not going to do it tho-and im still in favour of a proven quality manager to be brought in but would also like to see what Keegan could do in one final attempt-my reasoning being it cant get much worse lol

  • jim

    Mar 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #34

    Basically even….

  • Natureboy95

    Mar 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #35

    i’m not giving up hope of us remaining in the premier league just yet, but we’re certainly not doing ourselves any favours. 1-1 at hull! not good enough with the players we have at our disposal.

    I don’t know if bringing in El Tel will save us, but Houghton,Calderwood and Kinnear are not up to the job and if we do stay up some serious consideration will need to go into appointing the next manager, as the club needs some stability.

    Venables turned down the job when KK left, because it was a short term arrangement, so i don’t see how anything has changed, unless JK doesn’t return and he’s given the job ?

  • Michael12

    Mar 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #36

    @Jim: Fair enough. It would be interesting to see such result. Of late I have seen that a number of fans on this blog have now taken an anti-Keegan stance but as to their numbers, I cannot say. Thank you.

  • j a magpie from india

    Mar 15, 2009 at 7:20 PM

    Comment #37


    yes i vote for keegan to come-in.

    he will surely save us for next season and could be challenging for every thing wtuhin five years .

    if webuy player according to him.

  • Mag 48

    Mar 15, 2009 at 8:07 PM

    Comment #38

    The fans do moan on here with every right But at the same time turn up at matches home and away and give there support in thousands.A support agreat deal of teams would be glad of.
    What I’m moaning about is what we get in return.
    Look at spurs saw the problem and did something about it I’ll bet there relegation worries will be over a lot sooner than ours.
    We need someone to run the team that knows what there doing.You don’t have to have a transfer window to do that.

  • jim

    Mar 15, 2009 at 8:19 PM

    Comment #39

    aye Michael-im that bemused im not just up for Keegan tho, ide have anyone in thats better than the current lot now-Bruce? -Ketsbaia?-Martinez?- crikey dare i even mention the fighting spirit belonging to Roy Keane! LOL

  • Obafan

    Mar 15, 2009 at 9:38 PM

    Comment #40

    I don’t care if there will be a new manager or not. I only want the manager to:

    1. play the players who deserve to play (no Butt, Geremi; Smith; …)

    2. try to go for the 3 points against any team (instead of being a gasbag who is happy to get a point at a very hard ground (Hull ffs???)).

    3. stop playing Ameobi (this is the worst sin possible; giving him time and put Loven on the bench; RIDICULOUS!!!)

    I’ve got no words to describe my anger after yesterday’s game (esp; tactics and line-up).

    We made it very hard for Manure to get the 3 points (esp thanks to Oba and Loven; Ask Vidic and Rio). SO why change the line-up (the only thing I understood was putting R. Taylor on the bench cause he is awful).


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