Joe Kinnear Comes Into His Own On Match Days – Butt

Nicky Butt has today talked to the Newcastle Journal and indicated that Joe Kinnear was very good on match days for the Newcastle side.


Joe Kinnear – can Joe save Newcastle this season?
 And that’s exactly what Nicky thinks is missing right now – that inspiration that Joe can provide to the players before they go out and play.

Asked how much Newcastle have missed Kinnear since his triple bypass operation, Butt said today:

“It has not helped. When you have a manager at the helm, it is someone to look to and that is important.”

“The manager was not one for doing great coaching sessions day to day with the players. He comes in to his own on the day of a game. He was very much a man-manager on match day and that’s the bit we have missed.”

“We have gone backwards in the last few years and we are under no illusions about what we must do. We have massive games ahead. We have to keep this club in the Premier League.”  

We’ve gone backwards all right in these last 3 seasons, when we’ve been fighting relegation on an annual basis.

Kinnear’s man-management abilities  on match days was apparent when he was in charge at Newcastle, as the players always seemed to go all out and just never gave up.  And we were doing OK until we suddenly had 11 first teamers out of the side injured.

The match against Manchester City probably  illustrates Kinnear’s abilities best, when we had Habib Beye sent off after 9 minutes for a dubious foul on Robinho, and we were a goal down to the penalty Habib gave away.  His sending off was later reversed – but not the result of course.

In that game Newcastle were winning 2-1, with 10 men, until the lads tired near the end and  Stephen Ireland got the City equalizer on 86 minutes. A terrific and gutsy performance from the lads, and something we badly needed last Saturday, but didn’t get.

And it’s clear if we don’t improve and something changes quickly, the likelihood is that we’ll be a Championship side next season. There cannot be many teams in the Premier league with a worse record than Newcastle have over the last 11 league games – just 7 points and a single win against WBA.

But even WBA picked up a point at Upton Park last night, in a very decent performance against a weakened West Ham side, but WBA fought all the way, to their credit.

And while we don’t want to sound too negative, because the lads can still pull away, we’ve lost a little confidence that Chris Hughton can get the job done.  It seems it will have to be up to a returning Joe Kinnear to save us – if we are indeed to be saved.

But that’s more than a little hard on Joe, who’s coming back from triple bypass surgery, for heavens sake, to try to fix the mess the club is in.

Newcastle need points – and we need to get them quickly, and since we didn’t pick them up against teams like Hull and Bolton, we’ll now need to get them off teams such as Arsenal and Chelsea.

That’s the task ahead, starting on Saturday against the Gunners. We sincerely hope that Chris Hughton can prove us wrong, and we’ll be just delighted if we can win against the Gunners – that’s for sure.

Comments welcome.

31 comments so far

  • roscoe

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #1

    37 Points and we will be safe. with our goal diff 36 will prob be safe too but 37 is SAFE!

    two wins two draws!

    Then we forget this season ever happened get a new manager, forgive ashley and co for everything and build a new team and aim for a top half finish next season and possibly pushing for top 7.


  • lesh

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #2

    Oh Roscoe.. fraid you may be wrong pal…… our illustrious and oh so shrewd interim manager, Chris Hughton that is, has forecast that we need 15 points to ensure safety.

    Wonderful but er, I wonder if he could tell us where he hopes to pick up 15 points!

  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #3

    Wish the players would stop bleating on in the media it is getting irritating.

    As a senior squad you have proven you are not premiership quality…Deal with it.

  • roscoe

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #4

    37 will be Safe

    Mark my words!

  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #5

    Houghton getting 15 points haha made me laugh.

  • Marty-Toon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #6

    ROSCOE Top 7 finish next season?????????????????
    Dream on mate
    Would be great all the same.
    Ranger,Lua Lua and Carroll for next year as starters or on the bench as first replacements.

  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #7

    Trying desperately to find a silver lining here…. try this:

    The only good performance we’ve had under Hughton was against Manure. The next two matches are similar ones against top-4 teams, so perhaps the players will motivate themselves and Hughton will play similar tactics and we could get a point or two. But even if we don’t, would have have done so with JFK in charge? Probably not.

    Soon after those matches, JFK returns, and we then start our recovery.

    Madly optimistic, I know – but it’s all I’ve got short of some prozac.

  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #8

    What’s the latest predicton on when JFK gets back? There was some tabloid speculation about a setback in recovery, but is there anything official?

  • roscoe

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #9

    Marty-Toon –
    I said top half finish…
    and POSSIBLY pushing for top seven.

  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #10

    I don’t think Roscoe is necessarily that far out. If you can entertain the idea that next year will see – if nothing else – stability for once, and that we will expand the squad in the summer, then we ought to be top-half. Getting to 7th or above would be asking a lot, but it’s not impossible.

    Of course, you can be pessimistic and point out that we may not even be in the Premiership, that JFK will keel over, that Ashley will try to sell again and so on. But that is just pessimistic conjecture.

    So please get off Roscoe’s back on this – it’s good to hear some optimism for a change.

  • Ericles

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #11

    Hello Nicky? You have been here the last few years when we have been going backwards! Is this something you have discussed in the pub with Smith, Viduka and Owen etc?

  • boater

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #12

    Roscoe… without wanting to sound too negative… the near-official party line at our club this time every season – ‘scrape by for now.. and push on to uefa spots next season’.

    Seriously, is Ashley trying to kill JK off ? I mean – does he think it’s loyalty to keep him under employ when he’s coming back from triple bypass surgery? Kinnear won 4 in 21 – it’s not like we were flying… he did a job for us this season and it sent him to hospital – and now were bringing him back NAY suffering defeat after defeat with an incompetent replacement because we are soo desperate for his return!?!?!?!??!?

    Is this all a sick nightmare? Will someone wake me up to find that we kicked on from last season or managed to beat Hull once with players like Martins and Owen up front?

  • Alex

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #13

    We should send out an SOS to Shearer , lets get him in for the rest of the season , one thing for sure , is that he would have the team motivated for every match .

  • Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #14

    Top half finish???

    Great idea, but in which division??

    We need a minimum of 4 points from our two home games coming up, but realistically, if we get 2 or 3, it will be amazing the way we are playing.

    The attitude against Man Ure is all that gives me hope of even 2 points. If we play to that standard, as an absolute minimum, we might just get the 2 or 3 points. If we play like we did at Bolton or Hull we will get nothing at all.

    Fingers crossed that the same attitude that played so well against ManUre is on the pitch for the next 2 home games.

  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #15

    Good point, Boater, but here’s why I think it’s different this time: They’ve changed things.

    ‘You always get what you always got if you always do what you always did’ is trite, but true. The last few seasons have seen lots of talk about doing better next season, but no significant changes to the foundations of the club to make it happen – pretty much just new managers. This time, while we’ve had a terrible season in every way, at least the way the club is set up and run has been fundamentally re-drawn.

    Of course, that could make it go either way… 🙁

  • roscoe

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #16

    AY Boater I must agree… It seems to be deja vu each year!
    Thats why we need a new manager at the end of this season.

    If we can’t have optimism then what do we have?

    Keep the faith lads!

  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #17

    We’ve had new managers pretty much every season – that’s part of the problem.

  • murvar

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #18

    I had great sympathy with Hughton the first time round as he was dumped on and left alone to get on with it during the “silent” era at the club. But the owner knew he couldn’t cut it when he let CH take over again after JFK’s heart attack or whatever it was. This is culpable footballing homicide in my view. And just when you think things can’t get any worse – Kinnear comes back. Oh dear. We’re doomed – doomed I say!! Don’t give ’em your name, Pike!

  • cosmicMini95

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #19

    Get Wise down in the dressing room and out on the touch line helping out until JK comes back…

  • Stardust

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #20

    Got to admit “The manager was not one for doing great coaching sessions day to day with the players” doesnt make good reading – the great teams lay with a way inherited from their manager – this suggests a chaotic approach and maybe suggest why we arent getting the best out of Jonas runs (movement needed of forwards who allow him to be closed down) etc etc.

    Doesnt make a good case for Joe at all that but we have him for the time being, onwards and upwards.

  • Toon Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #21

    Stardust – I agree with you on that one.

    Ive got a feeling that with the home crowd behind the lads it will spur them on.

    I think it will be loud one. Would love 3 points but would settle at 1 point against the arsenal. Just got to keep them closed down and watch them on the break.

  • Stardust

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #22

    Yeah Graeme – our expectation is for 0 points – we just need never to give up – goal difference could be important. Arshavin worries me – he is on a mission to prove something.

    I will take a point gladly – 3 points I might even buy Batty a pint (now thats grateful!)

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #23

    Typical – if its just a bit of Churchillian eloquence required to give the team a gee-up and a kick up the arse at half-time, its hardly worth a million quid of anyone’s money, is it? Certainly its not the habits of a club with the personnel in place for a supposed 5-year plan.
    – They might as well get George Caulkin in the dressing room to read them last week’s piece for the paper.
    As someone else wrote, despite claims of a long-term vision, this looks in reality like ‘lets scrape over the finishing line and see where we go from there – Ashley must be praying for someone coming in to buy him out. It isn’t good enough but we are at the whim of a bloke who clearly is at a loss to know what to do, is only two-thirds as rich as when he set off on this escapade, didn’t see any of this coming and is ill-equipped temperamentally and managerially to deal with what is happening.

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #24

    “What do Newcastle need? Right now we need to be professional and perform,”

    “We need to put this season to bed and kick on next season. You seem to say that a lot at Newcastle.”

    “We need someone to come in and change the whole club.”

    That is a pretty damning indictment from the sometime team captain, a bloke who knows what a well run club is. He is sticking his neck out to say this and someone should heed it. Note its not just the players being blamed, which is the usual chest-beating stuff relegation strugglers come out with. “We need someone to come in and change the whole club.” That sounds like plea for help.

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #25

    Chris Hughton : “If we knew all the answers to why we started like we did we wouldn’t be where we are at this stage of the season.”

    = ‘I haven’t a clue.’

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #26

    “The only thing that will get us out of it [the relegation scrap] is 100% intensity, and that includes training,” Jose Enrique told The Newcastle Chronicle. So what does that tell us about training? Short of painting a bed-sheet and hanging it over Leazes Terrace, I don’t see what more Butt and Enrique can say.

    The coaching and management aren’t anywhere near good enough. And that is down to Ashley, Wise and Llambias.

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #27

    “We got the goal in the last 10 minutes of the first half, and that’s how we should be playing.” “Then we took the game to them.” “We should be doing that all season, not just now.”

    “We’ve got to start taking risks if we’re going to start getting results.” “We’re going to have to start getting in the box and having a few shots outside the box.”

    “The sides were are playing against aren’t afraid to have a shot and follow up.”

    Sorry, I should have included Taylor with Butt and Enrique. Short of naming the coaches and spelling out the tactics being advocated by them, this is about as blunt as you could expect.

  • AngerOfTheNorth

    Mar 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #28

    Brilliant Nicky, he’s good on match days is he? Good enough to get us to win regularly? No? Oh dear. Our previous managers were able to do that… Were they just “brilliant” on match days then Nicky? Hmmm?

  • Nick D

    Mar 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #29

    Not really sure what Butt is on about as kinnear’s record before he got sick was abysmal
    and according to hughton he’s still being calling the shots

  • Nick D

    Mar 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #30

    sav he may be saying what we all want, but truth be told, Butt would be one of the first out the door for me. no pace, no creativity and a liability
    conceding free kicks.

  • Sav

    Mar 17, 2009 at 11:42 PM

    Comment #31

    Nick D. You have to take into account a bit of selective editing by Ed to get a positive blog going. If you add this statement of Butt’s to his other remarks (presumably from the same interview) it is clearly a damning indictment of Hughton and Caldwell, AND of Joe. In fact of the whole club, from top to bottom.
    As it is coming from the experienced but normally restrained Nicky Butt, extra weight should be given to it.
    As for the ‘no pace’ ‘legs have gone’ criticisms of the player himself, they remind me of what was said here in Gary Speed’s last 2 years in B&W. He should be supported with younger players and his guile, temperament and experience harnessed properly. Instead he is wasted running all over with a fire bucket.


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