Newcastle Crowd Can Be The Difference


We have 5 home games remaining in the season, and the support Newcastle get in those games, from the fantastic Newcastle crowd, could tip the balance in Newcastle’s favor in the survival stakes.

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The Newcastle Crowd – can be the difference

We have Arsenal, Chelsea, Portsmouth, Middlesbrough and Fulham coming up, in that order, and just how many points we can capture in those games will very likely determine if we can survive.

The Newcastle legendary fan support, can certainly go a long way to inspiring the lads to play at their very best – just like they did against Manchester United, when the fans (and the players) were just phenomenal.

That undying support, under such difficult circumstances this season, has to give the Newcastle United club an edge over other teams fighting relegation.

Consider the Middlesbrough crowd’s actions on Saturday, as they heckled their players during their vital  game with Portsmouth. Who needs enemies when you have a crowd like that?

And manager Gareth Southgate, a really solid and fair person, was forced to address it after the game, and didn’t like the support his team had received on the day, one little bit, to put it mildly.

But that’s just one reason why we don’t think Middlesbrough should not be grouped as a real North East team – like Newcastle and Sunderland definitely are.

The Middlesbrough support has always been mediocre at best – which is hardly the case at Newcastle and Sunderland, where the fan support is tremendous.

We know there will be a huge crowd for at least the next two home games against top opposition Arsenal and Chelsea, and we know we can rely on the crowd to be on their game, as usual.

What we cannot rely on, is which team will turn up for Newcastle on the night.

The one full of courage, bravery and fight, that gave the great Manchester United side everything they could handle, or the team at fellow strugglers Hull City, that didn’t even wake up until 30 minutes had gone, and we were already 1-0 down.

That seems to be just one of the problems with the Newcastle side right now.

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60 comments so far

  • vivadavidkelly

    Mar 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #1

    the crowd can also have the reverse effect. Large number of supporters are too quick to get on the players back and embarras themselves by the way they go on. this can unease the players and give the away side a boost

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  • roscoe

    Mar 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #2

    I’m bored!!!

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  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #3

    Ed – you’ve forgotten what happens when 52,000 geordies turn against the team, which has happened many times in the last 2 years.

    The only difference between us and the Smogs on days like those is numbers, and it’s a bit rich to try to pretend that boro have somehow done something we’d never do.

    the Toon Army are the one constant over the past trophy-free 40 years. We’re all happy to be hailed as the 12th man when we win, but somehow the same supporters often don’t see how their heckling can have the opposite impact when it suits them.

    Yes, Southgate was right to have a go – but no, we can’t take the moral high ground on this one.

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  • Stardust

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #4

    Spot on Whumpie

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  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #5

    We need to get back to the days when we’d cheer on a player who was having a bad game, and not even think of booing our own people.

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  • bennytoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #6

    does someone please have highlights of the amazing performance against man united? I must have seen a different highlights package as what i saw was an easy united win after a poor 15 minutes.

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  • Doocey

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #7

    We need to get behind them. No excuses, it’s not their fault entirely that we’re in such a bad position. Get behind them and let them respond on the pitch!

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  • batty

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #8

    well said Whumpie me for one have never booed one ov our players not even shola or boumsong

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  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #9

    bennytoon – all I’ve seen is what was on NUFC TV. Decent service usually – and especially good for the reserves games highlights. You usually get 10-15 minutes on there, which isn’t great but better than the 10-15 seconds on MOTD…

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  • Toon Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #10

    Always an interesting angle this one.

    Here is my view – yes we support the toon through thick and thin and they (club) wants us as the 12th man – happy to oblige.

    However, if what we are given is the dross we have witnessed a lot of this season and the players are making stupid mistakes and loosing possession and not taking chances that you would expect – I pay my money and it is my right as is my fellow supporters right to go from “come on – get in son” to “howay man pass the ball for F*** sake” and so on and so on.

    Openly booing players should never really be done – but you cant ask we to cheer on only can you!

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  • Toon Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #11

    continuing on….

    I have never ‘booed’ a player off or during the pitch who wears the black and white, but admit to expressing my opinion vocally which can only be heard by people sitting/standing near me and I am not alone in this

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  • vivadavidkelly

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM

    Comment #12

    being a season ticket holder now for 16 years (i am 28 now) it has always been a myth about us being the best fans in the world. let me take you back to the last home game in the 2003/2004 game against wolves. we finished 5th that season and at least half the ground walked out before the lap of honour, and most of the fans that stayed booed the players when they came out. they were getting absolute peleters for finishing 5th. nobody will admit it now but there were calls for bobby to go, and when he did go there werent many protests. newcastle fans, like any other are so fickle – it always makes me laugh that – we finished 5th and it was deemed a failure. i know we finished 3rd and 4th the 2 seasons previous but what would you give to finish 5th nowadays???

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  • Whumpie

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:32 PM

    Comment #13

    vivadavidkelly – alas, you are right. We can be the most fickle of fans, and we bring a lot of problems – including JFK – on ourselves because nobody wants to sign up to the stick they will get from the fans when we hit a bad run.

    Toon Graeme – sorry, but you have to decide: do you want to “exercise your right as a paying customer” or do you want to support the team?

    If you can’t yell something that may help things on the pitch, keep it zipped. You can’t have it both ways – either your voice makes a difference at matches or it doesn’t. If you yell things that could make a player do worse, then you’re part of the problem, not the solution. I do not give a cat’s turd how much you’ve paid.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #14

    The players need to be given a standing ovation for the performances they are putting it both home and away over the last few seasons,nothing short of marvelous,well done lads.

    I know every member of the senior squad has fought tooth an nail for us this season…blood,sweat and tears and more.

    May we have many more successful years fellas and I thank you for the memories.

    LOUD APPLAUSE,LUNATIC STYLE CHEERING,BADGE KISSING,SCARF ABOVE THE HEED TIME…IF YOUR PROUD TO BE A GEORDIE CLAP YOUR HANDS!!!

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM

    Comment #15

    Stupidity aside…
    The chances of an upset in the next two games taking into account the whole scenario this season is unlikely to be honest..you could put 100,000 geordies in the stadium at the weekend all on prozac or any happy pills and that still would not win games..the buck stops with the manager,his motivation,team selection and tactics and how the squad responds.

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  • Toon Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM

    Comment #16

    Whumpie – didnt ask if you did give a cats turd and dont care if you do or dont. If anyone on that pitch can here me from up the leazes corner then christ they have supermans hearing.

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  • SpartanChris

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM

    Comment #17

    We’re relying on the same crowd that Boo’d Bobby Robson’s side when we finished 5th.

    God what would we give for that kind of failure again.

    Hopefully the crowd will stay with the team during the upcoming games – but after hearing that Shola was boo’d when he came on at Hull, it does not bode well.

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  • Matt

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    Comment #18

    This is getting ridiculous Ed. Owen, Nolan, now the crowd! What’s next, the pitch?

    We need committed consistant performances and nothing else is going to affect how we do.

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  • vivadavidkelly

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    Comment #19

    my point exactly – we are no 12th man. you can aount on one hand the great atomaspheres of the last 5 years. true the poor football is a big factor, but when people boo shola after 2 mins because he loses the ball. Shola is a perfect example – im not his biggest fan, but all players who play with him say on the training pitch he is phenominal. but his head goes down on the pitch far too easily. the guy just has to just miss one chance and the crowd are on him. he might as well be taken off there and then as he is a confidence player and is too scared to take risks

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM

    Comment #20

    Supporters are much quicker to criticize now-probably due to the money they are paying +the money the players are on. I dont think the Newcastle support is as good as it was in the 70s but perhaps thats sitting down for you and the crowd is much older-the young un’s cant afford to go.
    I remember the Wolves game-there was a collective here we go again feeling-i.e the club starting to fall back again. The fans knew it and were proved correct.
    Great fans dont make successful teams-great players do.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM

    Comment #21

    In think if the crowd do react badly that is their right..look at Villa fans they start booing now of they are drawing at half time or get beat off a bigger club..haha Villa fans are dumb I suppose so not a good example..but can’t be bothered to think right now of another one.

    Patience with newcastle fans has always been taken as a given from players and the board…this is why things are different now.
    Once we had hope,aspirations,uefa cup runs,good fa cup challenges fueling that dream we all shared,this has slowly been chipped away over the last 4 years..the dreams are almost dead and we need some signs of hope and maybe a new dream and focus.

    It is totally bleak right now hence my negative outpourings.

    It is only because I care and hurt badly seeing my club that i have supported since I was 5 going to the dogs rapidly.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #22

    This is my scenario after the season.

    Relegated
    Change of Board
    Fresh Faced Manager maybe foreign or Ketsbia
    Youth we got plenty talent
    Mixed with current senior players that want to play
    2 seasons to get gelled as a unit and start a brand new chapter and put these dark times to bed.

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  • Toon Graeme

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #23

    SJT – I hope its that easy mate.

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  • Spitfire

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM

    Comment #24

    Collectively the crowd has more wisdom than the entire management and boardroom team at SJP. Even if you sweepingly declare that half the crowd are idiots that still leaves around 24000 people who can see what is going on on the pitch and will react to it in the way they see fit. Wherever that is on the “Wildly support to voiciferously boo” scale does not seem to make that much difference to the players. Or to the results. They do not react to it. They simply do not have the talent to get us out of the mess we are in. Crowd hugely supportive at the Man U game. Result ? = defeat

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM

    Comment #25

    There is light on the horizon boys…we just aren’t sure which horizon we are headed to yet..but when we get there the lads will all be up for it,fresh,hungry,flair,youth,pride and big smiles on their faces.

    Toon !

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #26

    Crowds don’t win games that is a football myth.
    Good committed well drilled teams do.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #27

    Spitfire I have more wisdom in my back teeth than the newcastle board.

    They have treat the fans like Scum.

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  • Micky Toon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #28

    This 12th man thing is a myth these days. Look at ManU for instance. Best club team in the world and their ground has crap atmosphere. The last time I went, 2007/2008 season the only people you could hear were us. They didn’t make a peep until they scored. I’ve got to admit that the roar when thed did score was hairs standing on the back of the next time for atmosphere, they completely drowned us out, yes even the gravel voiced loon that sings toon toon for 90 minutes none stop.
    In the old days when the fans were close to the pitch, then it will have made a real difference, nower days I’m not so sure.
    I still love going to games and still get butterflies when I get to my seat, but it really isn’t as loud as it used to be. Don’t you hate people who just bang on about how good it used to be. 🙂

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  • LoonyToon @ graft

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM

    Comment #29

    VivaDavidKelly

    post 1, 12 and 19

    spot on fella…

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #30

    My first matches where around 1975 right side of Mick Mahoneys goal,gallowgate end,sitting on the front bollard with my dad..happy days,it was when the stadium was like a tin shed,got my first bukta kit from stan seymours long sleeved and very itchy…loved that kit.

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  • Spitfire

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM

    Comment #31

    I’m with you on that SJT

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  • batty

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM

    Comment #32

    SJT i reckon crowds can help the team to win games m8 look at stoke shit team but great support never stop singing for the 90 mins they even out sung our fans when we played them at home and at the time they were 2 0 down so yeah i think it can spur the team on our fans hardley sing any more shame realy like .but on another note ASHLEY OUT YOU BIG FAT USELESS C&NT

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  • batty

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM

    Comment #33

    AND IF YOUR GONNA BOO YOUR OWN PLAYERS WHY BOTHER GOING TO THE MATCH AT ALL OUR FANS ARE TURNING INTO THE OPPOSITIONS 12 MAN

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  • LoonyToon @ graft

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #34

    There was a time at St James in the 90’s when the opposition scored, the home fans used to start singing straight away to drown out the away cheering, getting right behind the team and letting the lads know we were still right behind them….
    A good positive atmosphere improves the confidence of players…a negative one turns some into bumbling wrecks trying desperately not to make a mistake…

    I could name a few who have been swallowed up here by the negative feeling towards them and moved onto other clubs, turning out to be a roaring success….

    If anyone on here does go to the game (and there are 1 or 2) we need to put aside our personal preference for certain players and just back whoever is on the pitch to help us through to the end of the season….it will give us a better chance of staying up than whining non stop…

    prime example….sitting in my seat for the last 16 years or whatever and this bumbling wreck comes in who has never sat there before and is there cos its Manure….

    Ryan Taylor is over the free kick, just outside their box at 1-0 and he starts with,”this is going ova the bar, he is sh*te” etc etc….continues for the whole game p1ssing and moaning….

    ended up having words cos he was doin my nut….whats the point in paying hard earned cash to go and whinge for the full 90…save ya coin..go to anger management classes…get ur glass half full or how about this…..

    GET BEHIND THE LADS!!!!!

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #35

    Things are in so much disarray Batty I can see the whole ground getting smashed up as we continue down the 5hit pan.

    I really see something going off..like Wembley when the Jocks smashed up all the goals haha

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    Comment #36

    The crowd thing is a two way thing…sure if they gave the fans something to sing about it would be different.

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  • batty

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    Comment #37

    LoonyToon @ graft totally agre m8 and some of our fans should be ashamed ov them selves

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  • batty

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #38

    SJT they havent got the bottle m8 lets face it a lot ov fans have welcomed ashley back with open arms

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  • THE MAGPIE

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM

    Comment #39

    Never heard any booing when Shola came on at Hull-there was a collective groan when he mis trapped a ball but everyone else had been doing that for 80 minutes so a bit unfair on the lad.
    Newcastle always has had a element of picking on 1 player going back to the 70s.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Mar 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    Comment #40

    Yeah Batty..I welcomed him back with a broken bottle haha

    I said on here I am willing to let bygones be bygones with Ashley..but it was just more of the same flannel and lies and spin..I hated him again with a week.

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