Newcastle owner Mike Ashley and Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan are hardly the closest of pals, and that fact has been made very clear today by Dave Whelan – that’s for sure.
David Whelan – Wigan owner and Chairman gets really personal with Ashley
Whelan has come out today and smashed Mike Ashley in what can only be called an angry tirade at the Newcastle owner.
Now we know they are business competitors, and don’t seem to like each other one little bit, but this seems to be getting really personal.
Dave told The Sun this morning when he first went to Newcastle after Ashley had bought the Newcastle club:
“When I first went there just after Mike Ashley had bought it he turned up in the boardroom in a pair of jeans, a pair of trainers and a replica shirt.” “Immediately he did that, the club’s gone.”
“You don’t do things like that in football. He’s got no class whatsoever.” “He’s representing Newcastle United who were such a proud club.”
“I immediately knew the supporters may want to have a pint with him on the terraces but basically he was not Newcastle United through and through. The Newcastle fans know that.”
“Newcastle is a massive club who have had no success.” “You can’t get a Tottenham fan buying Newcastle and letting people think he supports them.” “It’s not right, there’s no pride left in the club.”
Of course there’s been bad blood between the two club owners for quite a while now, and there’s no doubt Ashley has made a real pig’s ear out of trying to run Newcastle United.
Whelan sold JJB Sports, which is a competitor to Ashley’s Sports Direct, for £190Mm in 2007.
But Dave has now bought back its fitness clubs for just £76M and renamed them DW Sports Fitness – and news that Wigan Athletic’s home ground will be renamed the DW Stadium (now called the JJB Stadium) from next season.
Dave Whelan has come out today and just blasted the personal credibility of Mike Ashley, and as we said earlier, this gets very personal.
Dave continued:
“I don’t trust Ashley as far as I could bloody throw him.” “I think he’s got what he deserved.” “You don’t go into a football club as big and proud as that and lower all the standards.”
“When you walk in he clears the boardroom out and people walk in wearing football kit, replica shirts. You don’t do that.”
Whelan also believes the Newcastle side have no chance now of getting local lad Steve Bruce, who has done a terrific job as manager at Wigan over the last 15 months, to manage Newcastle while Ashley is the owner.
Dave continued:
“Ashley’s not approached us about it yet — but the answer is no.” “Steve knows he could go, and knows he could go to Newcastle. Would he go? No chance.”
“I don’t think you will ever get Steve Bruce going to a club that is run the way Mike Ashley runs it. No chance.”
“I know he will go in the end but I hope it is not for three or four years. He deserves to manage Man United or one of them and I would wish him the best of luck.”
“I have a great relationship with Steve and I am up front with him, as he is with me.” “He is going nowhere at present. He loves it here.”
“If we finish seventh in the league I don’t think there is any doubt he is manager of the year.” “He has absolutely worked wonders.”
We’re always surprised when people in the public eye, come out and just completely slam others in the press – because it always tells you something about the person doing the slamming.
And these tirades hardly do anybody any good – but that’s the way the world turns we suppose.
If anybody didn’t know – the real news today is that David Whelan just hates Mike Ashley – and that seems to be putting it rather mildly. Quite honestly we’re a little amazed at this tirade from Whelan – what’s the point?
We know he doesn’t like the guy – and the bad blood started in business dealings no doubt. But remember what you put out always comes right back to you – or put another way – what goes around comes around.
What do you think about all this?
Comments welcome, but please keep them decent and measured – thank you.
141 responses so far ↓
1 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM
whelan shut it! youre worse than insomnia
2 vivadavidkelly // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM
surely by him coming out with this shows that he has no class also. i get the feeling, business wise he has always been a little jealous of ashley, whose acheivments outside of football dwarfes anything whealen has done
3 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:14 AM
same old tune from whelan!
i like the tune at the JJB STADIUM when we go there.
your support, your support, your support is f****** s***
4 Kash // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM
He’s just jealous as Ashley is muscling in onJJB.
5 club insider // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:16 AM
In the words of the ‘Special One’
” Shut up Dave!”
6 Phillippe Alberrrrrrrt // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM
They should square off against one another on Celebrity Death Match
‘Let’s get it on’
7 Pons Aelius // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Whelan has made a valid point about going into a club like Newcastle and lowering the standards.
But to be honest I think this is more of a case of sour grapes from Whelan. Ashley outdid him in the retail world and now Whelan is outdoing him in the football world he has his chance to take a shot at him.
8 sahota // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM
He has been beaten by MA outside football. So he just wants Newcastle supporters to hate MA. Its not good DW speaking like this. Just do wrestling with MA, I am sure you will be beaten there itself. About football I am not sure probably DW will run faster
9 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:29 AM
sahota // so he just wants newcastle supporters to hate MA wel most of us already do i detest the cont
10 geordie jock // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Dave Whelan is right about everything he has mentioned. Mike Ashley is a complete and utter joke ( even though i am not laughing ), He swaggered into SJP saying he was going to do this and that and all he has done is completely destroy the club. At least Dave Whelan can be proud of his club and what it has achieved.
11 geordie jock // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Who give a **** about jjb and sports direct Whelan is telling the truth.
12 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Pons Aelius // yeah and we sold them our last attacking midfeilder and they sold us a dud
13 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM
geordie jock yep spot on m8
14 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM
geordie jock, we DONT need whelan to tell us we know, thats the point!
15 Geordiedoonsooth // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Though there are some truths in what he says it does sound like sour grapes and as far as us wanting Steve Bruce no way do we want that plastic Geordie managing.
16 ronaldeano // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM
MA has lowerd the standards dramaticaly, and i hate him for it.
“Newcastle is a massive club who have had no success.” “You can’t get a Tottenham fan buying Newcastle and letting people think he supports them.” “It’s not right, there’s no pride left in the club.”
MA is a spurs fan and he was lying when he said that he hates spurs.
I cant stand the man and all his scumbag cronies for what he has done to the club i love.
All the Ashleys lovers, feel free to slag me off
17 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM
ED HARRISON
can you do a POLL mate, with the question being.
do you want mike ashley to sell up in the summer?
cheers
18 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM
ronaldeano watch it stardust will be out in a min
19 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:39 AM
RyanToon why do you want him sell up m8
20 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM
batty. nice try
21 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
no honest m8 not trying wined you up cos i want him to fck off now
22 will die for the toon army // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Guys this is all to do with business. Whelan has done well in football.
Looking at the history a young 16 year old that would be MA can into the retail business and out competed all those fools that would be Whelan why do you think he out compete him in football. The problem with us Geordies is that we are impatient we will get kill me or not I want stability and thats what MA is going to give us.
I dont care about Bruce I dont want him any way.
23 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM
@ haha batty, thought you didnt want him to sell up, like stardust.
you cant really sell now imo, but he should try and sell in the summer
24 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM
will die for the toon army at this rate we wont exsist in 5 years
25 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM
so if a RICH geordie,arab or indian reading this. PLEASE buy our fantastic club whatever divison were in!
26 Kash // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Simple fact of the matter is that if we go down, then he’s not gonna sell!
Plus any loss in value of the club, he’ll write of against his tax anyway!
He’ll probably end up selling the stadium, or turn it into a huge Casino, and then Newcastle becomes a wasteland full of prostitutes, druggies and gamblers.
27 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM
kash >>>full of prostitutes, druggies and gamblers. it allready is m8
28 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM
were going down with fat ashley down with fat ashley
29 will die for the toon army // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Batty, If we make our 17th position this season and we stay in the league. I have been MA all this while and I like his plans for the future.
All JK is going to give us is stability for the next two years and he will be out. MA doesnt want to destroy he has put too much money to do so.
Lets wait and see what happens in summer if we are still in the league. MA is a good business man.
30 geordie jock // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I will vote yes to Mike Ashley selling the toon but why wait till the summer. Why doesn’t he just f*** off now as he wont be any help to the cause.
31 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:00 PM
a good business man tell me agen how much he has lost in hbos shares he,s a muppet if he coudnt see that one comeing and how much is he gonna lose when we gan dooooon
32 Widowmaker // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
will die for the toon army –
You are right, we would be leading the table if KK and the fans trusted MA and had stayed patient. lol
NO WAY!
Almost every single fan was ready to see the so called 5 year plan come real and what have we got? A squad size that is about right for a NBA basketball team!
A club with a plan would not have lost Shay. I am sorry to brought this up again but Shay has stayed with us through thick and thin and this time he finally realised that enough is enough.
33 geordie jock // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I agree with RyanToon ED please have a poll.
34 Kash // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:04 PM
@Batty – Whatever he lost in HBOS shares, is probably what he made in Barclays shares a couple of months before.
He’s got money to the side for speculating, and he;s not the only one.
I don’t think any of us can knock his business skills outside of football!
35 lesh // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:06 PM
will die for the toon army (good morning Stardust?) …… appears to be another apologist for Ashley, another in denial of the reality of the club’s plight under him………
Hello Stardust?
36 Bill F // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I would imagine that younger fans would ask what is wrong with jeans, trainers etc. Wheareas the older school would want to see more traditional dress code. The relegation battle etc obviosly is going to taint our view of MA, but to be fair he has tried to implement changes both in management and players. A little bit of luck and a few less injuries to key players at key times and we could be looking at a different scenario.
If (when) we escape the drop and get a bit more stability into our club we might just see (hopefully) some success coming our way at long last. I have to say I am still a fence sitter on Ashley and want to be conviced he can do it.
37 workyticket // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM
“If anybody didn’t know – the real news today is that David Whelan just hates Mike Ashley – and that seems to be putting it rather mildly. Quite honestly we’re a little amazed at this tirade from Whelan – what’s the point?”
Revenge Ed. Ashley reported Whelan to the Office of fair trading for price fixing football shirts nine years ago. And Whelan has been consumed with hate ever since. He’s a fool, just like Freddy. Every time he tries to stick the knife into Ashley, it just reminds people of Whelan’s arrogance and lack of probity.
38 Mimo // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Ashley tried to scupper JJB rescue, says Whelan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/22/sports-direct-international-jjbsports
By Chloe Griffiths,
The Journal
Millionaire’s £133m bid
May 24 2007
The ‘whistleblower’ tycoon
Entrepreneur Mike Ashley is a man who doesn’t make deals with his rivals. The 42-year-old businessman even turned whistleblower on some of his competitors after an uncomfortable meeting when they tried to carve up the market. He reported them to the Office of Fair Trading for fixing the price of replica football shirts – and this led to dawn raids, an inquiry and multi-million pound fines.
The Sports World boss acted after he was summoned to the Cheshire home of David Hughes – chairman of the now-defunct Allsports chain – in 2000 to discuss the pricing of a new Manchester United kit. It was reported to be a difficult meeting. Another businessman at the meeting, Dave Whelan, chairman of Wigan Athletic Football Club and the JJB chain first mistook the casual Mr. Ashley for a gardener and then reportedly told him: “There’s a club in the North son – and you’re not part of it.”
Obviously Whelan is purely concerned by football matters when he speaks out about this. The man hates Ashley because he refused to ‘hang out’ with his ‘friends up north’. Ashley’s whistle blowing cost Whelan his reputation and money too so we can be sure he will be holding a party if the Toon go down. Whelan is a t**t who cares nothing about our club only his own little war with Mr. Ashley.
PS it was interesting that Bruce never said to Whelan that he would not manage Ashley’s club and I’d be surprised if this was not another fabrication by the bitter Whelan.
PPS to all the Ashley haters ‘which at the present time is probably the majority’ don’t fall in to the trap of thinking that anything said by Whelan concerning Ashley is pertinent. The Wigan Chairman is an insufferable, narcissistic snob who would no doubt eat himself if he was made of chocolate.
39 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM
will die for the toon army // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
“The problem with us Geordies is that we are impatient we will get kill me or not I want stability and thats what MA is going to give us.”
Never a more true thing said. Bravo
40 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Bill f I am with you on this! I really want it to work out for Ashley and his board. I must agree I do not like some of his decisions BUT it is not MY money on the line!
The academy would bode well for us in the future and DW won lots in his time as a player and captian so who are we to judge who is best for a DoF role.
i think our next manager should be someone like dechamps. Friends with the board ,can work under this system and has prem experence.
The problem with MA is that we all can see it is killing the club, but with all the transfers out I agree with, even Shay. I would rather lose shay and keep krul!
If we stay up this season I could promise you MA would not let this happen again! Hopefully everyone has learnt there lesson.
But if he is a scummy spurs fan sent here to mess us up I would not be happy!
41 Isaac Hunt // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM
“full of prostitutes, druggies and gamblers”
…. and that’s just the changing room!
42 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Bravo Dave Whelan.
He is 100% correct in everything he said, who gives a toss what his motives are.
Mike Ashley has single handedly turned us into an absolute joke of a club, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to remove their heed from their anus.
We have stumbled from one catastrophe to the next and the chickens may well come home to roost in the form of Championship football next season. It is an absolute disgrace that we are even in a relegation scrap, let alone for the second year on the bounce, and this time we are less equiped to make it out of it.
Joe Kinnear & his merry chums would not get a look in ANYWHERE else in this division, we not only hand them roles to begin with, but indicate their INCOMPETENCE be rewarded with extended contracts – Scandelous.
43 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:21 PM
The stability comment – WTF are you on about????
Stability in what sense?? Our interim, interim, interim coaching team?? Our selling of Shay F’ing Given, a genuine top class player with half a decade left in him???? Our offering of long term contracts to a failure who may well keel over and f’ing die due to the stress of managing (for want of a better word) a club with such a stature???
Can you even contemplate what we must look like over-seas? We are the laughing stock of the whole professional league in this country, what do you think we look like abroad FFS!!!
JFK’s first press conference opened with calling all and sundry a C@*T for gods sake, yes that’ll have Europes up and coming players swimming the channels to come to us wont it???
Absolute bo@@*$£s that anyone can even consider this regime are moving us forward.
Fantastic, we are signing 16 year olds that may or may not turn out good, it doesnt matter either way because any sign of a quick profit and they will be sold. See Bassong for the first example of this – He will be gone to the highest bidder whether we stay up or not.
44 chuck // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:35 PM
While I have no particular likeing for Whelan, I find it strange that any fan could, after the tremendous damage done to this club by MA, turn around and defend him .
What will it take to convince the fans that he is responsible, directly or indirectly, for the present debacle.
45 DJM TOON // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM
ericsson reckons he’ll get sacked by mexico if they get beat on saturday
i’d be happy to have him brought in
i’m sat on the fence re ashley too.. sometimes i’m happy, sometimes not.
i’m baffled regarding the state of our first team… the most important aspect of NUFC, but then our finances are the best they’ve ever been, our youth system is amazing, the best i’ve ever known.
the foundations MA has put in place are, i think , sound, however, whast the point of having sound foundations if you havent got a castle on top of them??
46 Joseph // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM
I don’t care what wheelan says, anything he says is tinged of jealousy of ma in the retail buissness so he is not someone worth listening to
47 ronaldeano // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM
@Sal
Those are excelent posts mate
Ashley out!
48 DJM TOON // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM
sal, who gives a f@£k what other people think?
49 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:47 PM
The short answer – Me.
The long(er) answer – ANYONE WE MAY TRY TO SIGN, MANAGERS, COACHES, PLAYERS AND EVEN SPONSORS FFS!
People need to get a grip, we are being gutted from the inside and there are actually supporters of this.
50 lesh // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Stardust….. sorry pal, but you’re living the part of being MA!
You’re chiming out platitudes and grand plans but whose are they? Are they a product of your dreams, voices in your head….. the voices from god – have they any foundation?
Who gives you the authority to speak as you do?
Where or form whom do you get your statements from?
Don’t get me wrong. I and all fans would love for nothing more than a stable, debt-free and successful club and if MA is aiming to deliver that, I)’m sure we’d be delighted to hear HIM say it – assure the fans.
At the moment, we see the club in a tail-spin to the Coca Cola, a club without a manager, a club imploding.
No Stardust, you and your cronies are saying what you think MA should be saying – but, it’s not MA, it’s you ergo, your credibilty is zero!!
Have a nice nap and let’s look forward to some more of your pearls of wisdom (or more of the voices in your head) this afters.
51 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Lesh – he has said that, Llambias has said that but you chose not to hear – then try and berate me!
As for ego – its far easier being a critic than standing where I stand.
You write decently Lesh but you have used half a brain to form worthless views – which have taken nothing but knee jerks and hindsight into account.
52 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:58 PM
DJM – “the foundations MA has put in place are, i think , sound, however, whast the point of having sound foundations if you havent got a castle on top of them??”
It even worse if you build a castle without foundations. It all comes tumbling down and all your money gone.
53 North Atlantic Magpie // Mar 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM
Whelan’s right!!!!!!!!!!
54 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Lesh in response to you question on the other thread I replied:
lesh // Mar 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Staardust.
Thanks for your eloquent response @103 to my post @101.
But Stardust, can I ask the question you didn’t answer, again. and this time receive the benefit of your wisdom?
“…………because you guys seem to have friends in high places, move in monied circles and are in the loop, you may be able to help lift the veil on MA’s strategy and tell the many thousands of dienfranchised, dissillusioned supporters what exactly is going on?”
May we expect an answer to that question, please?
105 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Lesh – that is the simplest answer of all.
Unlike FFS who stripped the club bare and ran it for his own greed – the club was a timebomb waiting to implode.
Ashleys vision is a simple one. Build a sustainable club, with a sustainable future, with a sustainable player base, with sustainable needs where the balance of money in is balnaced by money out. A vision I wholeheatedly agree with.
Need we point out the demise of Italian football by not observing the fundamentals. imploding re the lack of cash compared to their overexposure.
Ashley without doubt – IS NOT – gambling with our future. He is trying to ensure it prevails and is technically everlasting.
Once we are through this season I see good things ahead – I just hope we can get through whilst in the PL.
The fact some fans are “dienfranchised, dissillusioned supporters” – they have to answer to themselves – yes PR could have been better but so could their understanding and appreciation of a difficult position.
55 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Hindsight is the single best tool for analysing ANYTHING.
This is a disaster, and I am sick of hearing people try to justify it.
Its not even about money, or impatience, its about INCOMPETENCE and the fact that our proud club is being made to look like an F’ing soap opera – Harchester United had more believable goings on than we do.
Look at other teams above us in the league – Fulhma, Wigan, West Ham, Sunderland etc etc etc Their squads are not as good as ours, their financial power is no where near ours yet they (in the main) are at least safe, some over achieving – Its down to management, coaching, durection, leadership – TRUST.
We have none of this.
Wake up.
56 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM
sal
about the harchester united comment
its amazing but i dont think youre overdramatising it either that is the type of season we have had
only at nufc
57 ronaldeano // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Sal
God damn right mate
58 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:09 PM
Whelans tirade
Best publicity Ashley’s had in ages its got some fans defending him.
Were the only one’s allowed to hate him.
59 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Sal yes it is about trust fundamentally. Geordie biggotry has mistrusted Ashley since day 1 – the fans are as much to blame. I will rephrase that – small minded moronic knee jerkers who hang off the side of the club like leeches are to blame.
Not the clubs supporters.
60 Pons Aelius // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:12 PM
Great! We’ve gone and loaned out Kaz Lua-Lua to Doncaster.
For God’s sake WHY!?
We need attacking players like him in our position!
61 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:13 PM
http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1603590,00.html
lualua gone to donny
i will have to start watching the championship
62 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM
pons
we werent gonna play him anyway no matter what tths situation
stardust
i am prepared to give ashleyanother chance and support him but since ashley has come to the club there has been a lot of lies
63 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:17 PM
http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1603590,00.html
kazenga on loan to doncaster
64 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:17 PM
oh beye you beat me to it
65 Pons Aelius // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM
beyethegreat –
Yeah I suppose. They haven’t given any indication they were gonna give him a chance so far had they?
Goons
66 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:19 PM
beyethegreat ashley has had more chances than shola in front of goal m8
67 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Sal yes it is about trust fundamentally. Geordie biggotry has mistrusted Ashley since day 1 – the fans are as much to blame. I will rephrase that – small minded moronic knee jerkers who hang off the side of the club like leeches are to blame.
Not the clubs supporters.
Nonesense.
I, and ALL of the lads I go to the match with were more than willing to see how Ash went. All the fans I sit with were also over the F’ing moon that someone had finally ridden the club of the cancer that was Fred Shep.
Ash clearly hasnt set out to make such a balls up, no one would be so badly wrong on purpose, but the bloke is too pig headed to admit his mistakes and sort things out. Instead he carries on and alienates himself even further. The bloke is classless, clueless, and obscenely FAT.
He has sorrounded himself with management that have no clue, that has been PROVEN to be the case.
He talks a good game, he plays a god awful one.
Its not local bigotry, its not impatience, its a reaction to what all should be able to recognise as an absolute shambles.
68 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM
pons
no unfortunately i can maybe understand why they havent given nile a chance as their are a lot of senior strikers but kaz is our only creative player that has vision and the ability to carry it off
69 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
batty yh agree mate
70 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM
batty
i know but i do think loner term he could be good for the club though that is not excusing his earlier mistakes and personally i am not angered by the mistakes but angered by the lies
71 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Sal
‘Look at other teams above us in the league – Fulhma, Wigan, West Ham, Sunderland etc etc etc Their squads are not as good as ours, their financial power is no where near ours yet they (in the main) are at least safe, some over achieving – Its down to management, coaching, durection, leadership – TRUST.’
Must agree with your comment but stardust has a point also. The fans are as much to blame in some instances. For years fans of the clubs you have mentioned have been calling us deluded for years. we have been laughing stocks for years. I dont think MA looking at our squad would think we would be in this postion either.
I have been deluded from when we sacked roader without giving him a chance.
There HAVE been mistakes made can not deny that! But if (when) we stay up I think we can kick on from here. Iam not a JFK fan but I am willing to give him a chance if we can not get the right manager for the job.
72 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM
the only way id give ashley ANOTHER chance is if he spend some money on the 1st team and not the youth. whats the point in the youth if we dont play em?? actually ashley stuff ya chance from me
73 workyticket // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM
“and the fact that our proud club is being made to look like an F’ing soap opera”
It’s been like a “soap opera” for quite a few years now for better and for worse Sal. Hall, the “Geordie nation”, Keegan’s taste for dramatics, Shepherd in a brothel, fans booing Robson, booing everybone else and generally making an arse of themselves in front of the TV cameras, making the club look ungovernable and nasty. This is not the first time we’ve been in relagation battle either. But of course, none of it has anything whatsoever to do with us.
74 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/03/26/watch-rare-video-of-alan-shearer-as-a-youngster-72703-23238304/
75 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
worky agreed
76 workyticket // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM
*relegation.
77 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
As far as JFK getting a chance – No way, he is a joke, the best thing that can happen for us is that his doctor advises him not to come back.
NUFC should be in a position to get any manager outside the very top tier of European clubs, thats not delusional, that is what a club this size should be looking at.
As it happens, we hire Dennis Wise’ mate with a dodgy ticker, who hasnt been able to get a job for 4 years.
I actually laughed when I heard that JFK was the new boss.
F’ing histerical.
78 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
worky
imo we without doubt have the most passionate fans in the country but i dont think we have the best
79 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Granted we have always been a more ‘newsworthy’ club than the next, but the shenanigans of the last 2 years have been on another level.
80 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
beyethegreat yeah thats what gets me but lyers never change m8 my dad used to say ide rather have a thief than a lyer well its true at least you know a thief is gonna pinch of you but lyer will pinch of you then lye aboot it after
81 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
batty
i agree its just a good job for us that ma is a bad lyer otherwise we wouldnever know what happend withh kk we know that wise said kk would have final say and we know from the infamous fact statement that that he didnt and that they tried to tell us that kk knew he would have final say
82 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
beyethegreat // you like kk dont you m8
83 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Ashley is his own worst enemy.
All good leaders engage with people Im sure we geordies would understand if he just opened up and told how he sees it.We may not agree with a lot of it but its better than trying to guess what he’s doing
One letter when he through his dolly out the pram is not enough.
If he can’t do it himself surley there’s enough money left to employ someone to do it for him.
(poor Stardust is having to do it all on his own)
84 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
sorry that was meant to say wouldnt
though i can see where stardust is coming from and on most occasions i would agree that our fans have been to impatient but not on this occcasion
85 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Sal
‘NUFC should be in a position to get any manager outside the very top tier of European clubs, thats not delusional, that is what a club this size should be looking at.’
Now that is delusional! We have had some of the best managers in europe over the last 15 years. WE got rid of 5 of them, so not a lot of persons want the NUFC job. In managers circles we are a poison chlice, a sure way to never get back into the game!
It would be the best job EVER if sucsessful, but the worst job in the world if we lose a few games on the trot.
We call for all these great managers chew them up and spit them out without giving them a fair crack!
86 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
I apologise in advance if I am wrong:
Stardust – Are you on Ashleys payroll?
87 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM
stardust is a SMB
88 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM
batty
yeah but i have not let that influence my opinion
of course i like kk he is a legend unfortunately when the entertainers was around i was a little young to fully understand what was happening but i will always remember beating man u
89 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Sal – if you agree with the fundamentals as you appear to of putting the club on a sound footing post FFS.
Then the only thing you can see and recongise is the only people buckling under the pressure of this enormous turnaround are the fans – even when another man is picking up the tab for it!
As for being on his payroll – I will defend good men doing extraordinary things in the face of adversity – always.
I am not saying for a second he gets everything right but he is light years ahead of FFS and I am eternally grateful he is here building a club instead of filling his pockets. At least with Ashley the clubs future is secure – but I ask you this Sal – did you see this hysteria when the fans let FFS remove all of the cash from the past present and future – no – they are biggots because the man is a Cockernee – and I wont jump on that band wagon
90 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Shearerbliss:
We are indeed a poison chalice, that does not mean to say we should not be going for these guys, and selling the club to them. If not them, then seeking out the next up and coming managers, not wasting our time on no hopers and jokers.
One club city
Fantastic stadium, always full.
Fantastic training facilities.
No success in recent history.
Those 4 factors alone should be a pull to a coach wanting to test himself.
You cant seriously be suggesting that we have found our level with JFK?
91 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM
stardust
they are not biggots it has nowt to do with him being cockney most fans were chuffed to bits when ma 1st came
92 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM
stardust (answer me this kid) if we get relegated this season will you still be up ashleys a&&e???
93 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:49 PM
In any other circustance would not the DoF take over first team affairs? DW was a sucsessful manager surley he could do the job if given the chance!
94 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM
STARDUST, it has NOTHING to do with ashley being from london! im from near there and im made welcome when i go to watch the toon
ashley has KILLED the club and YOU know it kid
95 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Mag48
“All good leaders engage with people Im sure we geordies would understand if he just opened up and told how he sees it.We may not agree with a lot of it but its better than trying to guess what ”
Fair points but I advocate even now post accounts etc, when evidence emerges that shows he is a good guy – Geordies still distrust him as he is am outsider. We are our own worst enemies.
(poor Stardust is having to do it all on his own) – Lol fella – I am nearly finished – not sure how much longer I can go on – Im embarrassed by my own kind – its pointless. Theres a gulf between those who live to support and those who live to hate – so often both are close bedfellows.
96 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM
also STARDUST
ashley is running the club for himself
he doesnt care about us fans
97 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Stardust you realy are 1 small minded biggot your self who cant see past the end of your nose
98 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:53 PM
beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM
stardust
they are not biggots it has nowt to do with him being cockney most fans were chuffed to bits when ma 1st came
beye I agree with you – thats precisely what I despise! They thought he was going to give them his billions, and I think with his soundbites he was.
But he lost a huge chunk of his cash 1.2 to 2.0 Billion. Thereon with that change of circumstances and the KK walkout (which were no doubt linked) the whole crowd turn on him.
As he isnt rich enough any more – I am disgusted by such leeches.
99 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM
batty, stardust is unbelievable really, he keeps sticking up for ashley, when what has he done?? taking the club backwards, but as long as his cleared the debts and raking in the money that fine (according to stardust)
100 workyticket // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
“As far as JFK getting a chance – No way, he is a joke, the best thing that can happen for us is that his doctor advises him not to come back.”
That kind of attitude is the problem Sal. We think that everyone, especially ‘outsiders’ are a joke and we want to crucify them in our bitterness and impatience, but the joke is on us.
101 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Ryantoon – why do I find an 18year old with no knoweldge or experience of anything coming out with the line “ashley has KILLED the club and YOU know it kid” rather funny
102 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:56 PM
anyone know if ashley will stitch us up next year with ticket prices??
103 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Stardust you dont even get to me any more you just repeat repeat repeat your self i pity you you must be so lonley
104 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM
18?? hmm. you really should get ya facts right tool
105 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM
i reckon stardust is a yes man, perhaps mike will employ you
106 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM
batty, do you believe that stardust is a toon fan???
107 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM
satrdust
i dont think people thought he was gonna spend his billions but what i and possably many others thought is that he would spend similar to shepard but make better decisions
108 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Sal
we have definitly not found our level with JFK, I was like you at first I thought it was a sick joke when I heard he was taking over. He is a relic from the past, but I will support him till he buggers off.
I know managers would love to manage NUFC who wouldn’t! The problem is that there is no security when managing the club. Iwould not move my family to the north from anywhere in the UK let alone the world for a job that could last 6 months! That is the problem.
As for if we are in the championship next year, would it be REALLY MA fault? I dont know but he would have to take his finger out soon.
109 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Stardust:
I agree entirely with the principles and the approach being touted around by the board.
I disagree entirely with their method of implementing it.
If credible football people were appointed, and a meaningful dialogue was open with the fans (Chris Mort springs to mind) then more patience, and even sympathy to an extent would be seen.
However we have appointed a gang of dislikeable, incompetent yes men that have no idea what they are doing.
The fans have been disregarded throughout one of the most bizare periods in recent history,. until a hollow ‘interview’ was drip fed to us through the local rags, which if anything, p’d me off even further.
I keep harping on about JFK, because it is such an important role, that is being treat like its as insignificant as as a bingo caller (no offence to resident bingo callers). The role is currently not even filled – unbelievable.
110 batty // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM
ryan no m8 i dont beleive he is
111 RyanToon // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM
his a good wind up though
112 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM
Sal:
“However we have appointed a gang of dislikeable, incompetent yes men that have no idea what they are doing.”
I do not agree they do not know what they are doing, but they may not understand the geordie mindset and be able to speak on its level.
FFS on the other hand knew how to do this better than anyone – it was never better demonstrated than by :
beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM
satrdust
i dont think people thought he was gonna spend his billions but what i and possably many others thought is that he would spend similar to shepard but make better decisions.
FFS had a net spend per season of 10m over his tenure – of which most was not paid and left and racked up as debt while he removed millions as dividends. To do it he front loaded revenue and backloaded costs.
Ashley puts in aside from the 250mill. 34.5mill IN in his first season and 20mill IN in his second – not a penny out.
So when Beye comes out with lines like that – what can I do apart from gasp.
113 komfort // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM
lesh @50 , he wears a purple shell suit dont you know.
114 beyethegreat // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:13 PM
stardust
i am talking abou t when ma 1st came to the club and he had a bit of money and the prem had justv signed a new tv deal
115 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Worky:
Sorry matey but cant agree.
I have that attitude after watching inept substitutions and listening to absolute nonesensical post match interviews.
JFK was finished a long time ago, there is a 4 year black hole on his CV that proves it.
116 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Shearer:
Agree again, the thing is though, Ash & co. should be addressing this stigma that has attached to us, instead they are blowing it up 10-fold.
Stardust:
The very fact we are in this position shows that the whole lot of them have no idea what they are doing.
JFK is a chump, but I dont blame him for taking the job, same with the rest of the gang.
One man at the top = One man shoulders the blame.
117 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Stadust
I’m afraid there will always be extremes you on one side and those on the other.
The trouble with extremes they are never likley to change there stance But there are quite a few in the middle and they are the ones who count.
Its them that Ashley must prove himself to.
The longer he stays silent the more likely they will assume things like he wants relegation to clear the big wage earners etc Why does he not dispell these rumours its quite easy (or are they true?
One other thing whats you opinion of our management team?
118 shearer4pm // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM
all that coming from a man who names a stadium after himself pfft
119 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Sal – we simply differ in where the main blame lies.
I say KK and the Mob – you say the board. I think all reasonable fans have a view both are to blame, the %age blame varies according to views. I simply counter against those against the board as my %age blame is far less apportioned to them than KK and the Mob.
120 buddy // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Startdust,you generally make some very good points and a lot of what you about ashley is true. i also agree with you about the small mindedness of many nufc supporters(but by no means the majority). i also think you get a rough time on here because of this narrow mindedness. but i dont thinkl you help yourself by being self-righteous and always believing you are 100%correct. you are not and nobody is. your staunch defence of mike ashley defies belief. i have tried my utmost to support him but it is now bordering on the impossible. he has made and continues to make horrendous mistakes and treats nufc supporters with contempt(deservedly or not it is only he who can improve the relationship). it will be largely his fault if we get relegated and that would be unforgivable. JFK and hughton are both a joke and to leave a thread bare and limited squad in the hands of these morons is suicide. i hope your response is fair as i feel you seem too intelligent to be so staunchly pro-ashley
121 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Mag48 – decent post.
The longer he stays silent the more likely they will assume things like he wants relegation to clear the big wage earners etc Why does he not dispell these rumours its quite easy (or are they true? – Thats the geordie biggotry to which refer – why is is approached from a position of mistrust when he has done nothing but give to the club.
Re: One other thing whats you opinion of our management team?
Llambias – Not a big fan, cant say i like him, think he missses the point re the feeling of belonging fans here have.
Wise – dont think he has done a bad job at all – wise the man never really cared for him.
They are the main two everyone talks about so i will stop there.
122 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Mag8
‘The trouble with extremes they are never likley to change there stance But there are quite a few in the middle and they are the ones who count.
Its them that Ashley must prove himself to.’
Could not agree more with this comment! I just want the best for the club. If MA would just come out and treat us as people with the respect we deserve all this would not be a problem. I just hope it is not too late before anyone realises this.
123 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Stardust
KKs and the mob (your word not mine) were reactions to Ashleys actions That to me makes it his blunder.I think he still has a way to go in man management
124 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Buddy – the fact is i simply restore balance in the argument. I see right and wrong on both sides as my post at 119 states.
I am forthright that i am 100% right I agree – it can come across poorly – but when you have spent a year defending the club you kind of reduce the amount of words you say to a minumim and address issues directly – without any of the niceties.
I defend Mike Ashley totally as he hasnt done anything wrong, he is a shareholder, who has done nothing but give to us. He is not the Chairman, not a Director granted he appointed those people but surely he has a right to appoint who he trusts to protect his money?
125 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Stardust
KKs and the mob (your word not mine) were reactions to Ashleys actions
We differ Mag – I will await outcome before forming an opinion on that – my view at the minute is no matter what comes out – KK should have stayed – and battled on – in so many ways we are so much better off – but he – in my opinion – bottled the fight and couldnt handle the change in circumstances re Ashleys wealth.
126 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM
Sal – “One man at the top = One man shoulders the blame.”
Its easy for a crowd to smash down a building and blame the owner for allowing them to do it.
127 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Stardust
The management team I refered to is J Kinnear and his underlings Llambias and Wise I regard as board members
128 Mag 48 // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Stardust
Have said it before when owners and employers that I have had did things that reflected on my reputation not there’s At times there was no other way but to walk I think this was one of those moments forKK
129 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:07 PM
JK – personally I am not a lover of his subs or tactics, I do think he is an intelligent bloke, and he will get the best out of his players. Would he be my first choice – no.
I do not think he is the best person to bring through the youth players into the first team , and for that reason alone I would expect a move upstairs at some point.
Ashley is loyal to him as Joe jumped into the trenches with him, while everyone demo’d, and all other managers turned their backs. I have said before – bonds made in battle are hard to break – so irrespective of my views i know why we have him – ironically the mob want him replaced yet they were the ones who put him in position.
130 ronaldeano // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM
@Stardust
Why dont you agree with ALL of Sal’s posts?
They are all 100% correct
Will you still be licking Mike’s arse if we are relegated?
131 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:13 PM
And as I advocated to you before Mag – your walk out did not wreck the lives of 1000000’s of people – when he was being mightily well rewarded for it. He should have stayed and organised a dignified withdrawl.
132 buddy // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM
shearbliss i am in the same boat as you, but if we get relegated then i wil be unable to forgive him. i just want to see him do well as i agree with a lot of his ideas and visions for the club. was it you that said earlier that we have sacked 5 top class managers in the last 15 years? who might they be?? to be honest, i think if the club had bothered their arse to employ a top manager after KK(1st time) and SBR, then we would not be in this mess. only 1 half decent manager has been employed bar these 2( SAllardyce) but his situation was unfeasible for obvious reasons(wasn ashleys appointment)
stardust,
yea fair enough. i read these forums regularly and realise your stance and the lack of understanding you have received. but i still cannot quite understand you complete 100% pro ashley belief. it beggars belief. he has the team on the brink of disaster and relegation(forgetting the mob for the moment,which he caused in the 1st place dont forget) he has consistently made a profit in the transfer windows and failed to add quantity and quality to the squad( a fatal almost unforgivable mistake as he has done it 3 time in a row now). under his reign he has allowed the first team to continually disimprove and has failed to players that we have been crying out for(eg creative/DM) and instead has added another useless battler to our ranks(nolan). I realise he is not directly involved, but the buck lies with him. selling given for a pittance was nothin short of a disgrace, and his persistance with JK(who is an atrocious manager) and hughton(who is only highly thought of because he is a nice guy) who is a shocking coach(useless with ireland, spurs never had a good defence with him, and he had done poorly with good individual defenders we currently have) shows to me that he is clueless when it comes tofootball and that he has failed torealise the gravity of the situation. ps contrary to my argument i do want ashley to succeed, nothing would please me more
133 Sal // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Stardust:
You can blame KK & ‘the mob’. But KK left a long time ago now.
Ashley & co have appointed a coaching team that are not up to the task.
They have then declined to appoint anyone at all to get to grips with the situation when their man had literally keeled over.
I admire your optimism, however I cant believe that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that we have been mismanaged to a criminal degree.
I still think you are on the payroll.
134 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I could not agree more stardust. If I was employed and things dont go my way, do I walk out?
If I love my job and the people I serve I would stick in there.
The mob has put in our last 4 managers and then complain when we are left with the only man that is willing to sit in the hotseat.
Crazy!
135 ronaldeano // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:21 PM
@buddy
good post mate, i totaly agree
Why stardust is so up Ashleys ass is beyond me
136 buddy // Mar 26, 2009 at 4:28 PM
ronaldeano,
stardust is not up ashleys arse. much of what he says re:ashley is accurate. although i struggle to maintain confidence in ashely, his posts shed a postive and fair(in some cases) light on ashley. what i do not agree with is his refusal to aknowledge ashelys many faults and terrible mistakes that in my mind have had a huge influence on us being such a bad team
137 shearerbliss // Mar 26, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Buddy I like your level head on such a passionate subject.
When I said good managers I may be over exagerating but my point is as follows:
Souness: Managed some of the big clubs in Europe and turned Blackburn from relegation candidates to top of table finishes
You mentioned Big Sam
Gulliet: In my opinion never given the chance, but if we did not sack him we would not have got the great Bobby!
Dalglish: Managed and won trophies with big club
Roader: Not given a fair crack, horrendous injuries and was willing to blood youngsters.
KK: I know he was not sacked but the pressure I think got to him this time!
I am aware WHY all these got sacked, but my point is they were NEVER given the time to build a sucsessful club! There is a fact that if you give a manager enough time for a kid that is 16 today in 4 years the philosophy of the team play could be engrained by time they are 20. So for any manager (as long as they do not take an established club down) 4 years should be a minimum! Unless you depend on Cham Le money (eg big4) leauge position should be varied.
Would moyes have lasted this long at NUFC!
138 Stardust // Mar 26, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Buddy – I just differ in small ways to you:
“but i still cannot quite understand you complete 100% pro ashley belief. it beggars belief. ” I am not 100% Ashley but I am very much behind what he is doing – yes. I do accept he has made smaller mistakes with large consequence – the appointment off KK I agreed with and it was wrong – would I now chastise him – no. His PR was terrible particularly in an area where we all feel we emotionally own the club.
“he has the team on the brink of disaster and relegation(forgetting the mob for the moment,which he caused in the 1st place dont forget)” you cant forget the mob – thats like cutting out a huge chucnk of information and expecting to find the right conclusion. AND we still dont know what caused KKs walk out – so you can claim he caused it. Changing circumstances were in all likelihood to blame.
“he has consistently made a profit in the transfer windows” Totally incorrect – you cant disassociate profit streams and revenue and outgoing costs in a singlular area – it should be addressed accross the company. He has put in losses of 34.5m and 20m each season since arriving in addition tot he 250m to put us on a sound footing.
“and failed to add quantity and quality to the squad( a fatal almost unforgivable mistake as he has done it 3 time in a row now). ” I disagree – I produced a chart recently that showed we were 5 genuine first teamers better off under his tenure (from players in and out) players in with an average of over 7.1 in and 5.83 out.
“under his reign he has allowed the first team to continually disimprove and has failed to players that we have been crying out for(eg creative/DM) and instead has added another useless battler to our ranks(nolan). ”
Nacho was that player but unfortunately is injured – I know nothing of him but those who’ve seen him say he is classy. nolan a battler – yes but I hope he regains his form of 18months ago.
“I realise he is not directly involved, but the buck lies with him.”
Fans can not advocate that he should tell them everything, do this better, buy that player, sellthat player AND have the right to say the Buck stops with him.
Either it is a collective (which I agree with and we all share blame) or a dictatorship where he shall make all decisions and judged over the long term.
Ironically the fans say that KK should have 100% control over ins and outs with another mans money YET they do not accept that the man who put the money in should run the club as he wants!
IF the buck solely stops with him. If it does he has a right to do things entirely his way and be judged over time alone. Not to any one elses time table or rationale.
“selling given for a pittance was nothin short of a disgrace”
It is for him to establish value as he carries the cost.
” and his persistance with JK(who is an atrocious manager) and hughton(who is only highly thought of because he is a nice guy)”
All of this caused by the mob – when only one man would jump into battle with him because of mass hysteria and bonds formed in battle side by side are tough to break.
I am 100000 times happier than before in the FFS regime. We are no longer being stolen from, we have far more to be thanksful for than hate him.
We all share the blame somewhat but if the fans dont support then they are the ultimate traitors as no man – Ashley, Keegan or anyone else is bigger than the club.
139 Stuart79 // Mar 27, 2009 at 12:29 AM
stardust
can’t be bothered to read ya comment but it will be shit
Nuff said!
140 Stuart79 // Mar 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM
stardust
read ya comment now- yeah I was right it was shit!
Ya talk shit- Everything you say will lead to a club that relegated, so maybe ya will be happy you mackem!
141 Stardust // Mar 27, 2009 at 2:36 AM
Stuart – you show with every post that your a moron of the highest calibre.
Show a bit of class and change your vile tone – kids read this blog and you perpetually type things most decent folk would be ashamed of.
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