News this morning that when Nicky Butt was about to leave Newcastle, back in the summer of 2006, his Dad had a talk to him, and told him something worldly-wise.
Nicky Butt – inherited his guts from his Dad
Nicky Butt has revealed that it was his Dad who convinced him to stick with Newcastle United, after a loan spell at Birmingham City.
Nicky said today:
“He’s my hardest critic,” “But when it looked like I might be leaving Newcastle, he said to me: ‘You know you’re better than what you’re showing, better than the players taking your place.”
“You have to be a man and show them.”
“He said: ‘It’s easy to walk away when people are slagging you off – but there’s a choice. You can show them how good you are and stick two fingers up to your critics.”
There’s not much to add to that other then to say to Nick’s Dad – good for you!
Maybe we can get Nick’s Dad to come in and talk to the Newcastle players before the Chelsea game.
We may even have a chance of winning if that happens, because we certainly need some of out players to stand up and be men.
Comments welcome.
136 responses so far ↓
1 Paul. // Mar 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM
good words, apart from the “You know you’re better than what you’re showing, better than the players taking your place.”
because quite simply, he wasnt then, and isnt now.
then he was dropped in favour of i think scott parker, and now in favour of barton when the first team is selected, i know who id prefer.
2 BlacknWhite Barmy // Mar 29, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Yep very wise man – securing 2.5 million a year for doing errrrrmm nothing !!
3 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM
well does any know if the donny game is on tv or if any 1 can provide a link i wanna see lualuas debut
4 Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Nicky Butt was not good enough 4 years ago when Souness let him go out on loan. So why the F!!! is he still here?!!!
I truely hope some club pick him up in the summer, I’m sick and tired of watching our midfield be overrun because of the slow legs of Butt.
His dad was clever yes, he probably knew that Newcastle was the only club willing to pay crazy money for such a poor player.
5 neeraj // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:07 PM
may not be the best player, or any good…..
but he is the only leader in the team, and gives his 100 perc on the pitch, unlike others who only like to talk big, but disappeaar as soon as the match start…..
6 always geordie // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:22 PM
he needs to be shown the door. Has no future at newcastle.
Holding back young players.
7 always geordie // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Somebody needs to change the clock on the website
8 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 3:43 PM
“Nicky Butt was not good enough 4 years ago when Souness let him go out on loan. So why the F!!! is he still here?!!!
I truely hope some club pick him up in the summer, I’m sick and tired of watching our midfield be overrun because of the slow legs of Butt.”
Jan, he was a crucial player for us last season, arguably our best. He has also been important this season too, so what is your problem with him? Do you actually understand what holding midfielders do?
9 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM
You too ‘always geordie’. Perhaps you could tell us which of our youngsters could take his place as a defensive midfielder? And why?
10 geordieboy1987 // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:37 PM
mind what im saying but this is utter rubbish!!!!
i live next door to the pub that nicky butts father drinks in day in and day out, absoute piss head, wise words from the bottle, its a job.
Nicky butt is to old, to slow and has nothing to bring to newcastle. its a fact, he hasnt really done anything for us and since he joined weve litrally gone from worst to worst.
this makes me laugh…..
11 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
worky
i agree that he done a good job for us last season but he hasnt done great this season he has looked slow but he also loses possession a lot with misplaced passes though if we go down i would keep him
12 Rodzilla // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM
“A Very Wise Man” indeed!
….for persuading his son to earn money hand-over-fist at probably the only club in England willing (stupid enough) to pay him for “taking it a bit easy today”.
Sorry Worky, but when you say he’s “arguably our best player” I think the key word is “arguably”. Even if he was he’d probably be “worst player” at a club less sh1te.
Man. Things really are heating up now. I can only imagine what this forum is gona be like in a month
…and yeah, we don’t have too many options for holding mid, but I’d argue that a centre of Guthrie and Nolan (or Barton) would be more effective than Butt and a playmaker.
Anyway, NB is still an NUFC player and if he can help kick some half-ass in the changing room then it has to be a plus.
ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!
13 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:12 PM
beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:45 PM
“worky
i agree that he done a good job for us last season”
And the season before that too Beye. But Jan Stavik wrote
“Nicky Butt was not good enough 4 years ago when Souness let him go out on loan. So why the F!!! is he still here?!!!”
Though I may respecfully differ with you about some of his performances this season Beye, I am just sick to death of the dismissive and negative revisionism of boo boys like Jan. They are dragging this club down and making us hated.
14 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Rodzilla // Mar 29, 2009 at 4:57 PM
“Sorry Worky, but when you say he’s “arguably our best player” I think the key word is “arguably”. Even if he was he’d probably be “worst player” at a club less sh1te.”
Rodzilla, I wrote that he was arguably our best player last season and the season before that, and he was.
15 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM
worky
i know what you are saying and personally i dont think this is the right time to blame any 1 wait till the end of the season all i can say is we arent down yet and we can still prove ourselves to be 1 of the best supported clubs in the land
16 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:30 PM
beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:23 PM
“worky
i know what you are saying and personally i dont think this is the right time to blame any 1″
Exactly Beye, so start sticking up for your team!
17 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:33 PM
what do you mean
18 Rodzilla // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:43 PM
…worky, granted, you said last season, sorry, I’ll admit he was pivotal then, I would argue however that Given was our best player by far last season. I firmly believe he is the sole reason we are still in the Premiership.
Back to the subject of Butt, it’s a real shame that one of our best players can’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo though (and I know that’s not what he’s there for).
We seem to have gone from goal turnaround specialists to draw specialists to can’t even score specialists in the last 3 years.
I whole-heartedly agree with your “dismissive and negative revisionism of boo boys” comment though. NUFC seem to have gone from everyone’s 2nd favourite club to ‘a club full of unrealistically over ambitious fans taht deserves to go down’. I find it quite upsetting how we’ve turned from being loved and respected to ridiculed and in some cases hated.
Bottom line is we’re straight up, passionate Geordies, and we can’t keep our gobs shut. By our very nature we highlight everything to all – good or bad. How the tabloids would miss NUFC….
…anyway, I’m waffling now.
19 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Exactly what I wrote Beye, stick up for your team, not for the idiots who are constantly looking for scapegoats to victimise.
20 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:45 PM
http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1606252,00.html
21 jimiley // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Give him a motorised wheelchair and play him in the holding role. He should get forward then. |Next thing we’ll be buying Scholes off Manure. Win double.
22 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM
i am not sticking up for them stardust keeps coming on about how great ashley is which usually starts the debate
i have said recently i have said i am prepared to give ma another chance but i can not condone him lying to us
otherwise i would be on the same side as you and stardust
i usually do not look for scapegoats though i dont see anything wrong with a debate
it is like people blame hughton which i dont he was forced in to this situation and he knows himself that he isnt a manager
23 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM
beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM
“otherwise i would be on the same side as you and stardust”
As I’ve wrote before (to hitman I think?). I’m not on any ’side’ apart from the club’s. I just don’t like lies, hypocrisy and blatant unfairness on either side. It doesn’t matter whether it’s about someone I agree, or disagree with; it’s wrong. People should be fair and evenhanded whoever they are dealing with.
24 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:20 PM
beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM
“i usually do not look for scapegoats though i dont see anything wrong with a debate ”
Never thought you did Beye.
25 Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Workyticket wrote:
Jan, he was a crucial player for us last season, arguably our best. He has also been important this season too, so what is your problem with him? Do you actually understand what holding midfielders do?
Sure I know, I even used to play that role myself. Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?
Any player picked week in and week out is important for a team, Butt is important because he’s picked, not because he’s a good player.
He’s far too slow, his distribution is poor and he is giving away way too many freekicks (and pens). If you are happy with players like Butt in the Newcastle XI, you are also happy with CCC next season, Workyticket.
26 Macedonia toon // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM
He is RUBBISH, RUBBISH, RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!! How he can be so well paid. And he take the place of the young players who have desire to play. Play Guthrie instead of him against Chelsea alongside with Nolan and we may have a point.
27 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
He was certainly one of them, and the season before that too. Snide victimisation is not the answer Jan.
28 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Jan Stavik-
Argueably Butt wasn’t the best player last season
but what he gives to the team is amazing sometimes
He brings leadership, guts, passion, skill always gives 110% and much more to the team, however receives no credit from anyone for it.
Why is Butt constantly picked with all managers; even with Barton Guthrie and Nolan fit? Why do the coaching staff never once doubt him and say he was dissapointing ?
Players like Nicky Butt, Kevin Nolan, Steve Harper Will keep this team up.
You saw what nearly happened in 2006 after people were constantly saying how bad he was and even our own fans!
I for one think Butt is still a great player and cant imagine what we’d of missed out on.
I played football today for my local Turkish team, we’re top of the league yet we drew against bottom of the league. We were also 3-0 up at half time, our players thought it’s in the bag and gave up, I noticed on the opposing team there was 1, just 1 player trying at all, he was giving all he had for this team and went on a wonder run to score. Others saw that if HE CAN DO IT THEY CAN TO! I think Butt gives that sometimes and has shown it numerous times over his career.
Butt gives minor things to the team, but this team would of crumbled without him. (they wont now thanks to Nolan I hope)
29 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:41 PM
WorkyTicket, i’m with you
30 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Best Players last season
1. Beye
2. Given
3. Butt
4. martins
5. Owen
6. Barton
thats just my opinion lads
31 Weezertron // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Does anyone know the price for tomorrows reserve match?
32 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:50 PM
Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:41 PM
“WorkyTicket, i’m with you”
Thanks Turkish. Holding midfielders always get a raw deal from some people, so I like stick up for them when they deserve it!
33 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:54 PM
workyticket and Turkish Magpie
How can you put Given in that list, even though he only played 13 games are something last season , all of his proformances were terrible, and a lot of people on here thought that he had lost his touch. But of course throughout this season we were wrong because he was fantastic.
34 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Just had an idea lads
If we stay up and the smoggies go down, why dont we go for Downing or Tuncay would fit perfectly into our team, and because they would be relegated we could get both for about
Downing- 10mil
Tuncay- 7mil
35 neeraj // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM
turish magpie and worky totally agree with you……
the point is thta def mid role is a bit dicey, either you would blow your opponents away or you would end up giving stupid free kicks…….
unfortunately for butt the latter one has happened too often this season……
he is not a player for week in and week out….. he should be thrown when we are defending a lead in 2nd half…..
and jan why he is picked regularly….
refer to stoke game we lost a 2 goal lead in second half after dominating the first, the only problem was there was no one shouting, talking to players which is important…….
36 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:54 PM
“workyticket and Turkish Magpie
How can you put Given in that list,”
I didn’t make a list Toon_Factor.
37 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:04 PM
Turkish Magpie
Tell Denis Wise that
38 sirjasontoon // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Butt is plop.
39 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Worky ticket
Comment no.27, its not a list but a group of names
40 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:06 PM
Just an idea again tho
41 neeraj // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:07 PM
SJT
do you like any body in the team
42 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:17 PM
if and big if we stay up this season
i would get rid of
geremi
shola
cacapa
butt
duff
while sending ranger kaz kadar baheng danguah inman vuckic tozer on loan
and bring in(if possable)
kightley
hernanes
shelvey(for the future)
fox
turner
just for the record i havent seen any of these play i am going on hearsay
43 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:17 PM
According to some fans on here that have given crticism constantly our team should be(made out of players that havent received criticism manly)
—————————-Krul—————————
—-Beye———–Kadar—-Bassong——-RTaylor
—Jonas———-Guthrie—-Gonzalez—–Lovenkrands
——————–Carroll—–Ranger—————–
Even these players have received some!
This is what the team will look like if fans keep doing this!
Imagine if butt scored a hat-rick against Chelsea, would you still think he’s bad?
Look what happened to Steven Taylor after the Arsenal game, how many people’s opinion changed?
A fan isn’t a fan if he greifs his own team!
No single man is a team! Although each one helps!
44 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:54 PM
“workyticket and Turkish Magpie
How can you put Given in that list,”
workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:03 PM
“…I didn’t make a list Toon_Factor.”
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:06 PM
“Worky ticket
Comment no.27, its not a list but a group of names”
Pay attention Toon_Factor!
45 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:19 PM
To your own comments at least!
46 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM
workyticket
What?????????
47 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM
interview with goodsmark
http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=149284
48 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:24 PM
http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=149282
49 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:27 PM
http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=149285
50 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM
“workyticket
What?????????”
You wrote that I made a ‘list’ Toon_Factor, I replied that I didn’t, then you responded about a completely different post, writing
“Worky ticket
Comment no.27, its not a list but a group of names”.
Bizarre.
51 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:38 PM
workyticket
Judging by your login name and the nature of your posts I can tell that your not quite right in the head. So lets leave it at that and you can figure it out for yourslf ok.
52 Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:44 PM
I’m not buying this Butt-praise, the man is so average… I’d rather have Danny Murphy or Jimmy Bullard, that says it all.
At least they know how to pass, and they don’t concede freekicks for fun.
53 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Toon_Factor, you attempted to be patronising, but you made an arse out yourself because you’re so stupid, you couldn’t even remember your own comment from a few minutes ago. So lets leave it at that!
54 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Have you ‘figured it out’ yet Toon_Factor?
55 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Obviously not.
56 Rodzilla // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:38 PM —-51
…being “not quite right in the head” isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I consider myself to be not quite left in the dark. But that’s another story.
57 Rodzilla // Mar 29, 2009 at 7:58 PM
ED!!
…change yer dates man, this is well confusing.
58 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:00 PM
workyticket
Right listen here:
In the first place you said
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
He was certainly one of them, and the season before that too. Snide victimisation is not the answer Jan.
I said
workyticket and Turkish Magpie
How can you put Given in that list, even though he only played 13 games are something last season , all of his proformances were terrible, and a lot of people on here thought that he had lost his touch. But of course throughout this season we were wrong because he was fantastic
You then said
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:54 PM
“workyticket and Turkish Magpie
How can you put Given in that list,”
I didn’t make a list Toon_Factor.
I then replied to somebody elses post, and then replied back at you
Worky ticket
Comment no.27, its not a list but a group of names
You then quoted every single one of my posts and said pay attention, which I dont undersand why because I simply re wrote my first post, saying you wrote a group of names not a list which included given. So I have no idea why your trying to play the outsmarting people game because it backfired on you SO SHUT IT!!!
59 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Have you ‘figured it out’ yet Workyticket
60 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Obviously not.
61 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:06 PM
Rod, I agree. Creativity always needs a little ‘friction’, something that shakes us out of our complacency to see things in a new way.
62 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:08 PM
I like how you have started talking to someone else when you have been proven wrong
63 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Dont want to admit to defeat eh
64 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:12 PM
Thats right Workyticket just like Kevin Keegan, walk away
65 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:00 PM
“In the first place you said
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
Toon Factor, I never wrote that, Jan Stavik did. Read the comments again mate, before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
66 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Sorry Toon_Factor, but you did ask for it!
67 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Eh this is confusing me, on my screen if fron of me, post no.27
Worky ticket
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
He was certainly one of them, and the season before that too. Snide victimisation is not the answer Jan.
It doesnt say Jan Stavik
68 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:35 PM
27 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM
Jan Stavik // Mar 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
He was certainly one of them, and the season before that too. Snide victimisation is not the answer Jan.”
It does and you know it does. Stop lying and embarrassing yourself Toon_Factor!
69 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:42 PM
what number post is it that said
“Do you seriously think Nicky Butt was the best player Toon had last season?! Better than Beye, Given, Martins, Owen etc?”
I WILL LOOK IT UP AND CONFIRM WHO SAID IT
70 Turkish Magpie // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:45 PM
BTG post 27 is workyticket, but the original post greifing Nicky Butt is frm Jan Stavik
71 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:51 PM
thanks turk mag
can we now put this to bed we are supposed to be UNITED
we will survive if you are like me and arent to sure whether we will or wont just tell yourself we will its working with me lol
72 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Bueno gente que estaba equivocado. En casto de que no habia mas que cerveza. Por que no me dicen que en primer lugar. Me muestra lo que un persona a la que arrogante, Y ahora ya que este ha terminado **** apagado
73 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 8:59 PM
toonfactor ?
74 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Beyethegreat
si
75 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:02 PM
tf
translation pls
76 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Sorry but you dont need to know what it says, it was aimed at workycock, what does tf mean
77 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:05 PM
Sorry it means toon_factor, if you could read my spanish post you could probably know why i did that
78 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:08 PM
butt is without doubt 1 of our better players
79 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:10 PM
This is no time for jokes batty
80 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:11 PM
ok tf
ill try and translate through the internet
81 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:11 PM
tf lets face the whole team is shite m8
82 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM
batty can u translate
83 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Batty
You could say that, but imo if you havnt got good manager the players play worse, the differene between our team now and the one 6 years ago is BOBBY ROBSON
84 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:17 PM
beyethegreat
Basically telling him how i was wrong and saying why didnt he say that at the start so we would have this huge debate, and also i little ‘hate’ message creeped in
85 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Beye, I’m well out of practice with the old Español, but roughly.
“Good people, that’s wrong. When sober this is not the habit but with beer. Because they did not tell me in the first place. It shows me a person who is arrogant. And now, since this has finished, it is xxxx dull.”
86 beyethegreat // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:19 PM
k tf
87 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:20 PM
workyticket
you obviously didnt practice well
I lived in spain most of my life so i can speak both languages quite well
88 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:25 PM
And your point is?
89 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:26 PM
Workycock
My point is your spanish is crap thats all.
90 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM
That’s roughly what you wrote, or are you going to start lying again?
91 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM
It’s pathetic.
92 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:32 PM
workyticket
Your starting to bore me , how old are you by the way?
93 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Batty
You could say that, but imo if you havnt got good manager the players play worse, the differene between our team now and the one 6 years ago is BOBBY ROBSON
<<< are you haveing a laugh this team we gat now wasent a patch on that team
94 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:39 PM
and yeah butt is 1 of our better players out of a bad buch
95 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:39 PM
bunch
96 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:46 PM
batty
Maybey I was Exaggerating but
A back 4 of: Hughes-Bramble–O’brien–Bernard
A midfield of: Solano–Dyer–Speen–Robert
A forward line of: Shearer–Bellamy
I would say Beye better than Hughes, Colo better than Bramble, Bass better than O’Brien and Martins/Owen better than Bellamy and thats probably it, if i actually think about it the midfield along with shearer were far better, Solano and Robert got about 15assists a season and about 10 goals between them from midfield along with Speed knocking a few in, and also Shearer, Solano and Robert scored about 10 free kicks between them, and our team now hasnt really got any creative and goalscoring midfielders and we also havnt got a good free kick taker, sorry about the comment before, just the first thing that came into my mind
97 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:50 PM
“You could say that, but imo if you havnt got good manager the players play worse, the differene between our team now and the one 6 years ago is BOBBY ROBSON
<<< are you haveing a laugh this team we gat now wasent a patch on that team”
You’re both half right there. Bobby Robson was a great manager, and a great figurehead for the club, but he did have a better squad too. Alot of this was due to Allardyce though. His purchases were pretty awful from both a playing, and a financial point of view.
98 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:56 PM
bobbys over all team was a lot better than this team and obbiously bobby is one one our best managers ever and ive been saying we have no attcking midfielders for ages m8 oh and we had a better keeper then think his name was shay
99 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM
worky he did do some bad signeings but sorry m8 we are still doing them now
100 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:02 PM
batty
“oh and we had a better keeper then think his name was shay”
Is it me but in matches doesnt he seem to save shot after shot after shot, but when Harpers in goal not nearly half the amount of shots come at him, i guess Harper organises the defence better
101 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Solano and Shearer are the ones we miss the most IMO batty. The only time I ever lost my way with good old Sir Bobby was when he fell out with wor Nobby over Peru, and his trumpet!
102 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:05 PM
is it me or did he get man city through to the quater finals singal handedly
103 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:06 PM
worky remember that yeah
104 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Yeah Shearer and solono is the 2 we miss most, but I wish we could find another Laurent Robert
105 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:07 PM
tf has harper made a save yet ha
106 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:08 PM
TF worky remember roberts corners
107 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM
TF worky i dont know aboot you but i cant see where the crosses are gona come from for us to score goals to win the games can you
108 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Gutierrez lol
109 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM
yeah thats two goals tf
110 komfort // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:16 PM
shearer was one of our best defenders.
111 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:17 PM
If gutierrez could shoot and cross he would be world class
112 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM
“worky he did do some bad signeings but sorry m8 we are still doing them now”
They may not be Shearer and Solano batty, but at least they’re not all ‘ringers’ who are constantly languishing on the treatment table for £40/50/60,000 a week.
113 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:18 PM
komfort // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:16 PM
shearer was one of our best defenders
spot on m8 and midfielders m8 he was all over the shop
114 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:21 PM
They may not be Shearer and Solano batty, but at least they’re not all ‘ringers’ who are constantly languishing on the treatment table for £40/50/60,000 a week<<<<and they are not as good as milner emre inzobia
115 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:23 PM
http://www.ananova.com/sport/story/sm_3259455.html?menu=
Shame
116 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:24 PM
If gutierrez could shoot and cross he would be world class
so would joey barton and a lot of others m8
117 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM
Batty
Barton has s good shot on him but when he plays he doesnt use it that much
118 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM
batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM
“TF worky i dont know aboot you but i cant see where the crosses are gona come from for us to score goals to win the games can you”
Players like Solano, Rob Lee and others really spoiled us with their passing, but I think the current players are very nervous and snatching at their passing, and their finishing too. On the pitch this is quite obvious, but the causes of it are more contentious, and the cause of many of our arguments on here!
119 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:28 PM
tf he dusent get the chance m8
120 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
there not as nervous as me m8 and i think if i was on the cash there on nerves wouldnt come in to it m8
121 batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:33 PM
nite lads
122 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM
batty // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM
“there not as nervous as me m8″
Maybe not batty, and I’m not exactly ‘calm’ either! But it’s still affecting their game alot.
123 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM
‘night batty.
124 Toon_Factor // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:36 PM
http://nufc.com/html/2003-05robrum.html
Remember when we were linked to players like these
125 valle // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM
Stating Butt was one of our best players last season is deluded following if anything… He is ok, sure… He has tactical awareness and he can break up play, but on the other hand he has no legs and at times he makes mistakes that schoolboys would be ashamed off… Supporting your team is one thing, and i agree that when we’re in the stands thats what they need from us. But refusing to accept the level of their performances isnt good enough and blindly sticking up for them on debate blogs like this has nothing to do with support… thats delusion
126 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM
valle // Mar 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM
“Stating Butt was one of our best players last season is deluded”
Afraid not valle. He was excellent.
127 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Not as good as the season before however, where he was a giant.
128 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:26 PM
when rather.
129 workyticket // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:30 PM
http://www.blogonthetyne.co.uk/2007/04/who-is-your-toon-player-of-the.html
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_3556151,00.html
130 valle // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:40 PM
worky… I simply dont agree, but then again, we cant agree on everything. As i say he is ok, but not as great as you state, if we talk playing ability only (Leadership and profetionalism are top notch)… If he played like he did against spurs away last season all the time it would be a different story.
131 valle // Mar 29, 2009 at 11:51 PM
On another note i dont think relegation would be the doom that some fans makes it out to be (i would have trouble following the team from Denmark so i would cry salty tears for months tho).
The parachute payments are said to be 30 million.
The clubs high earners would be farmed out leaving us with a bit of money and a much more healthy wage bill that could see us plan for the future and manage our income much more wisely.
The players going out would leave room for some of our excelent youngsters like Carroll, Lua Lua, Vuckic, Kadar and others who might not cut in in the EPL yet but would be great in 1st division. Giving us a stronger team and funds for rebuilding when we hopefully shoot straight back into the EPL.
Im not saying relegation is cut in stone yet, and ofcourse staying in the EPL would be better. Im just stating the positives we could take out of it.
132 bobby_ollox // Mar 30, 2009 at 8:23 AM
Relegation is far from certain yet. We have good opportunity for 9 more points this season which would be enough.
It took an exceptional manager to “win something with kids ” ( and an exceptional crop of players). No-one should think we could emulate Fergie and Man U under our current regime. By all means blood one or two youngsters into the team, but sweeping out the current team en masse in place of kids would be suicide.
The first team,including Nicky Butt is , very capable of avoiding relegation – but the management team are woefully inadequate. The team need leadership and motivation, pick their heads up and go and get these points.
Since a managerial change is now unlkely, our only hope is that the experienced professionals pick up a couple of results in the next couple of games which get them going and give them enough impetus to see out the season. I would rather have NB in that team than counting cash on the sidelines.
133 Tom_Toon // Mar 30, 2009 at 10:21 AM
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134 Sav // Mar 30, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Butt is aveteran in a very poor team right now. We should be wary of calling for his head like we did Gary Speed’s with all those knowing ‘his legs are gone’ rubbish comments. He goes on to star for Bolton for another 3 years and he’s still playing!
We need Butt – he should be captain instead of the non-committal Owen – and he’s been one of our better performers and NEVER hides.
135 Tom_Toon // Mar 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM
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136 valle // Mar 31, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Sav… Speed was in another league than Butt IMO.
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