Every Game Chance For Players To Redeem Themselves

We believe Alan Shearer completely, when he says he will now allow any of his Newcastle United players to lose faith in the club’s fight to stay in the Premier league.


Alan Shearer – how did I get into this mess?

What we don’t like is  it seems to have become his full time  job keeping these overpaid players upbeat.

Surely some of them can start redeeming themselves and playing with some spirit and not keep talking about what it means to them – to have relegation on their CVs.  Please take note Nicky Butt and Danny Guthrie.  They should be more concerned about the Newcastle club, their employers, than themselves right now.

We have four games left and it’s still more than possible to stay up – but we’ll need to start helping ourselves, and not act like little babies who feel sorry for themselves when things are going against them. Please grow up – and quickly!

Shearer told Newcastle United TV this morning:

“We can’t get our heads down.” “There’s still a lot of work to be done and we’re still in there fighting.”

“There will certainly be no despondency and no-one will be giving up the fight.” “We will go to Anfield in good spirits and see what we get.”

“Obviously we go there as underdogs but we must believe we can get something.”

The team should go to Liverpool with some plan of how to win. Yes, that may sound daft, but stranger things have happened when things really matter, and we have been given no chance of winning – so we have nothing to lose – which is very unlike Monday night.

Perhaps they could find Liverpool players on a bad day, but the lads have to start to play their football, otherwise just mail the points to the Anfield side, and save the cost and bother of traveling there.

Every game that remains is a chance for every single Newcastle player to redeem themselves for this terrible season – that’s they way they should be looking at it.

If they think like that – we may even survive.

Comments welcome.

60 comments so far

  • Stuart79

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #1

    We’ve more chance of surving from Aids!

  • magforlife

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #2

    Talk is cheap and thats whats been wrong with this team, i am sick to death of Butt and co saying things are wrong and they need to put it right, we all know that and have done for some time, instead of yapping on in the press, put a good shift in for the wages paid. Many a good player in the Championship would bust a gut to play for the Too so it must also mystify them as well as us to see our players sauntering around the park and failing to finish from 10 yards out. There is not much any fan wouldnt do for 60 grand a week so the players could at least get their hands dirty for the next four games.

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #3

    Ed – spot on mate. We hev got nowt to loose on this one (bar goal dif) so just go out and take them on and make it rough and tough.

    If we sit back and not engage them like the pompey match then the pool will take full advantage.

    Still think 4 5 1 is the way to go.

  • Stuart79

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #4

    Relegation could be decided on goal difference so I would go for damage limitation.

    Possibly sneak a goal and that might give us summat to hold on to.

    I would play Viduka with Lovenkrands and Martins in a 4-5-1.

    We will be playing on the counter attack so pace will be important

  • NotAGhostToon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #5

    I know a lot of toon fans have done braver things, but i’m doing a bungee jump in the summer in aid of Sir Bobby Robson Foundation, I was hoping that the fans on here could chuck in a 50p here and there, it’d be much much appreciated and its for a good cause and a great man.

  • Danish_Magpie

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #6


    In full agreement, mate. I don’t see Shearer dropping Owen though… He has already said he will start v. Liverpool, hasn’t he?

    To be honest, I think the smartest formation would be the following:


    Use the speed of Løvenkrands and Martins and use Carroll as an absolute battering ramp who makes life very unpleasent for the centerbacks, and hope McLovin and ObaOba break on the counter to get us a point.

    I would then cram the midfield with Butt anchoring, and Smith and Barton flying into each and every tackle making life hell for Lpool in the center of the park:


    At the back, I thought Coloccini and Bassong did well v. Pompey, and Beye is a clear starter at RB. Duff would be my choice for LB if Enrique is not fit.


    Obviously Harps in goal. Thus, I would play:





    Possible substituts:
    Guthrie/Nolan on for Barton (when he tires)
    Jonas on for Duff/Løvenkrands (if Jonas fit)
    Viduka on for Carroll (when he tires)
    Owen on for Smith (if we are losing)
    Edgar can cover the defense if we get an injury.

    With this formation, I believe we have a chance of a point – Shearer take note! 😉

  • Jamesthefirst

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #7

    Every time I look at our squad we look like Bolton of old:

    5 HOLDING PLAYERS – Butt, Smith, Barton, Guthrie, Geremi

    1 LEFT BACK – Enrique



    **NO PACE**

    I still believe like some others that we will end up staying up on goal difference over Hull. But in fairness, with the circus it has been at our club this season we deserve to go down.

  • Nick D

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #8

    Ed do you really think any of them give a rats?
    They’re all on stupid contracts come what may.
    Owen and the like keep talking the talk but if they won’t even try for someone like Shearer , what hope have we got?

  • Nick D

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #9

    James the first. Allardyce really did for us after Shepherd appointed him. And Kinnear did a poor man’s Allardyce by signing Nolan and taylor. All functional, attritional players and not one creative spark of flair in the whole squad. The brains trust of Shepherd and Ashley have really done a number on us big time.

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #10

    Borough home is a must win game!!!

    But then again – so was Pompey wasnt it.

    Im hoping that lady luck will shine on the hallowed NUFC again this weekend. She flashed we a good sight of her left boob and 3/4 of her right at we last weekend – hopefully this week it will be full frontal.

    A strange analagy but jazzes it up a bit.

    MO will start as he is Captain – butt will start as he did have a good game on Monday. I do hope Guthrie and Barton start – but Barton will warm the bench as no match fitness.

    As for all the Nacho talk over the last few threads Ive read – he wont don the black and white this season and he will probably be shipped back to where he came from – shame as not really had the chance to see him in action.

  • Jamesthefirst

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #11

    ************THE OWEN DEBATE***********

    I know he’s had some flak for missing one chance, but if we get another chance like that in the remaining games I still want it to fall to Owen.

    He just looks very low on confidence and completely dejected about the situation we are in as a club, and he is in as a player.

    Every season despite all the hype, he ends up leading a team either fighting relegation or struggling to get to mid table.

    He’s had 4 years of this now and like Steven Taylor you can see the complete dejection in their eyes about “will this ever improve”

    When a striker is buzzing and high on confidence he scores goals. When he is low on confidence he scuffs chances — Martins has been exactly the same.

    Last season we were in free fall and everybody was screaming for Owen to be dropped. Then he grabbed that vital goal at Birmingham out of nothing and our season completely changed.

    I understand people’s frustrations, but like Shearer, I trust that Owen above all our forwards will score the goals we need.

  • Sav

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #12

    Butt has been one of our better performers. He never was a classy creative midfielder or even one who rampaged into the opposition 18 yard box for the odd goal, even in his younger days. But if everyone gave as much effort, we’d not be in this mess.

  • Stuart79

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #13

    On the Owen debate I have to say that as a striker if you only get one chance every five matches you ain’t going to be particularly on form all the time are you?

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #14

    That opens the door to the hes not getting any service from the mid debate too!

  • Stuart79

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #15


    Lets be honest, Pele would struggle to make an impact up front in this team!

  • Jamesthefirst

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #16

    And when was the last time you saw one of our midfielders bursting into the box?

    Not all forwards are Torres. He is a rare special striker. Most strikers in the world need the help and support of their midfielders to make runs, and create space for the forwards to exploit. This never happens at Newcastle.

    We have some many holding midfielders at the club that they just sit there in the middle of the park. So you see Owen and Martins dropping deep to get the ball. Something they should never have to do.

    Most strikers would struggle to score in our team at the moment. And personally as a striker myself I’d be pulling my hair out and be continually frustrated at the lack of help from midfield

  • sickofitall

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #17

    “he will *now* allow any of his Newcastle United players to lose faith in the club’s fight to stay in the Premier league”

    hehe *I trust thats a spelling mistake*

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #18

    Incase anyone didnt know – here are this weekend key games to watch out for results:

    Middlesbrough v Man Utd
    Tottenham v West Brom
    Sunderland v Everton
    Aston Villa v Hull

    Unless manure team gets struck down with swine flu – they should easily beat the smoggies

    Beamish’s boys should be able to finish off West Brom and secure their prem status for this year

    Everton didnt fair to well against Man City – but they are chasing to secure the 5th spot so they will go for the jugular of the Mackems

    Villa too are in competition for 5th place so they should easily take care of Hull in their own back yard – not that we could – but thats another story!

    All things going to plan we should stay where we are!

  • lesh

    Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #19

    Looks like joey Barton may be in the squad for Liverpool…….


    Let’s hope he comes back this time!

  • AlexanderNUFC21

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:00 PM

    Comment #20

    I get tired of hearing the same shite evryday. “Were gonna do our best”, I dont believe that. Credit to Danny, he is a young lad who plays his footy well, but if we do get regulated, it can be a good thing. We can offload a lot of overpaid players, but we are going to suffer with heavy loss as well (Martins). Lads im very positive on everything in life, but if we go down, its becasue we deserve to go down. I know a few players who die to play against Liverpool.Drop Owen, bring in Loven or Xisco, drop Nolan/Butt and bring in Nacho, and bring in Edgar.

  • AlexanderNUFC21

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #21

    I retract my statement about Nolan/Butt and Nacho. He cant play yet instead put in Barton/Smith.

  • Macas35

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #22

    Owen has looked a bit off the pace but again he is still a goalscorer, you don’t lose that instinct. he laid the ball off for Smith for that cracking shot against the defenders arm and he played in Viduka to name but two positive contributions he made, so I dont think its fair to just single out him as our problem. Martins was awful in my opinion but we need his pace in the team. We have to get behind whoever walks out on the pitch for the remaining games.

  • Micky Toon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #23

    Our problem is that we rely too much on our forwards to score goals. It sounds daft as that is what they are there for, but hardly have any goals that come from other positions.
    Look at the PL top scorers, at 2 and 4 are Ronaldo and Gerrard, I think torres is top. I might be wrong, but that was the situation last weekend.
    ManU have always had a lot of goals coming from midfield, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool also. Is there any surprise as to why these are consitantly challenging for trophies?
    Instead of developing this mentality we chose to go down the tired old route of lumping the ball into the box hoping someone will get a toe or a head on it. We need to change. I keep saying this on here, but no one else seems to buy into it.
    Admittedly at the moment I’d watch the dross we are currently serving up quite happily if we can win a game or two and we were climbing the table.
    The playing tactics are stuck in a timewarp. All the top european teams play with attacking midfielders who can score and none of them rely on a “big man” or a “target man” for their goals. If they did ManU wouldn’t stand a chance. The last out and out striker they had that was any good was Van Nistlroy. Berbabtov has been a very expensive flop and Rooney has never been an out and out forward.

  • ToonRich

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #24

    WE ALL KNOW WE SHOULDNT BE IN THIS POSITION… here’s the table to prove it:


    If only ref’s could do a decent job!!

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #25

    Micky Toon – I have echoed your thoughts on many occassions and agree with you on that point so I got your back on that one.

    If you have shots – yes shots not headers on target – the law of averages states that one will go in!

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #26

    Ian Rush is in the chronicel bigging up MO – yet another one!!!

  • kkma

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #27

    I still believe teams will go down are Hull, Boro and West Brom, not our great NUFC !

  • Stuart79

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #28



  • ian

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #29

    Ashley should have, instead of going to Shearer, gone back to Keegan, said he will settle with him out of court now if he would run the team for the last few games, if he owed him £4m then he should have offfered £6m, Keegan would have been the hero if he kept us up then walked, Ashley would get another go at selling or getting it right again.

    Shearer must do something different next game, I would start Martins and Nile Ranger against Liverpool with Lovenkrands in central midfield, then if Nile does ok keep him on until the second half, have Nile run at everyone for everything over the half way line, Martins to only run for goals on the counter, try and keep a little back, bring Viduka and Owen on in the second half, if Nile Ranger is doing well keep him on and bring on Viduka only.

    Carroll isnt very quick if Nile Ranger is faster he needs trying as a young player harrying defenders will wear them down before the other strikers are brought on fresh.

    We need some tactic of one sort or another. Lovenkrands acn score, he has played in midfield, he has got good movement and can pass and score so he needs to be on the pitch not on the bench.

    Come on Shearer try something braver. Also when is Lua Lua back off loan??

  • AlexanderNUFC21

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #30

    I agree that we rely on our goalscorers, but even when Owen has the chance he failed almost everytime this time around. I do believe Owen has it in him but he doesnt look like he cares at the moment. But we need to stop these long balls, they do us no good. Last season we were successful with our short passin through the box with Viduka , Owen, and Martins. I do hope we get something out of liverpool

  • Jamesthefirst

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #31

    @Toon Graeme – Rush just has sympathy for Owen because he knows how hard it is for a striker to score in our team at the moment.

    For every 2 goals you need, you need to create 4-5 chances. Every week you see Man Utd create 4-5 chances and score 1 or 2 goals. Strikers don’t score all their chances. If they did every game would be 8 goals.

    Blaming Owen is a Kop out (no pun intended), and doesn’t address the more concerning issue…WHY DO WE ONLY CREATE ONE CHANCE FOR A FORWARD IN FIVE GAMES.

    If Owen and Martins had played in a side on Monday night that created 5-6 chances we would have won the game….simple as.

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #32

    Ian – I read that stockport have requested a loan extension for him. Which is good for him to gain experience I suppose.

  • Micky Toon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #33

    ian – I can’t agree with what you say about Keegan at all. Imagine it was your own money. Would you spend a significant amount of your savings/salary on a gamble that would probably not pay off and have that person just disappear off into the sunset with your money?
    Shearer is doing as good a job as Keegan would have. It’s obvious that Shearer is there as the motivation man and Dowie is the tactical “genius”. Keegan is a man motivator, nothing more. His teams of the 90’s picked themselves and we always played 4-4-2. Anyone in the ground could have put out a winning team, but only Keegan could motivate them.
    Keegan coming back a second time was a major disaster, a third time would be suicide.

  • Toon Graeme

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #34

    Jamesthefirst – Im not blaming it all on MO or for his goal drought as he is one man in the team and they all need to work as one.

    From what we saw on Monday and know from this season is our mid is crap going forward and there lies half the problem.

  • Micky Toon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #35

    RE: Owen not caring. There could be something in that. Logic says that if the place you work is failing and you can’t get another job then you stick around and work hard to make it better and to fix what went wrong. If you know you can leave at the end of the month then you won’t care.
    We should have players on the pitch who know they will be with us next season and drop the likely movers. Owen is off at the end of the season regardless of out league status as his contract is up, so drop him and bring in someone who wants to stay with the club, ie Ranger. Apart from Bassong that is 🙂

  • Micky Toon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #36

    RE: Owen not caring. There could be something in that. Logic says that if the place you work is failing and you can’t get another job then you stick around and work hard to make it better and to fix what went wrong. If you know you can leave at the end of the month then you won’t care.
    We should have players on the pitch who know they will be with us next season and drop the likely movers. Owen is off at the end of the season regardless of out league status as his contract is up, so drop him and bring in someone who wants to stay with the club, ie Ranger.

  • Micky Toon

    Apr 29, 2009 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #37

    Hmm comment 35 seems to have messed up. sorry.

  • DevonMag

    Apr 29, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #38

    Id love barton in the x1 for the pool, i still totally stand by my opinion that if he’d played every game this season we wouldn’t be where we are now. If we stay up this summer we need to make 3 signings to be a top half team:
    lb (either as good as or better than jose)
    creative mid (preferably world class, if not close to)
    and a quality rw (proper quality)

    Imagine our team looking like this:

    j.navas barton mountino jonas
    ranger owen/mrtins

    With the rest of our quality youngsters comin through and the squad players we already have (nolan, taylor, duff..

    (ps i do realise how ridiculous the notion of either jesus navas or mountinio coming to newcastle is…just dreaming)

  • workyticket

    Apr 29, 2009 at 2:17 PM

    Comment #39

    Micky Toon // Apr 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM

    “Shearer is there as the motivation man and Dowie is the tactical “genius”. ”

    Why the quotation marks over “genius” Mickey Toon? 🙂

  • Geordie-Gerrard7

    Apr 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #40

    devon mag- jesus navas will never leave sevilla, the reason he doesnt play any european away matches is because he gets chronic homesickness, he nearly joined chelsea a few years ago but didnt because of this reason.

    i 100% agree with you about barton, he absoloutley destroyed the villa midfield, everyone remember that??

    we will stay up on goal differance, then next year needs to be a huge overhaul, with quick wingerscreative midfielder, a cb, and then someone like cana or mbia in the centre of mid with barton and another creative, also we need two new strikers.


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