Steve Hoawrd of Leicester, who was more than a handful in the first half on Monday night, against his home town club, has come out and said Alan Shearer has to be the new manager on Tyenside.
Steve Howard – it must be Shearer
Howard began his career at non-league club Tow Law Town, back in 1994, while working as a roofer at his day-time job.
He worked 12 hour shifts, but then got his chance moving to Hartlepool United in 1995 and moved on to play for Northampton, Luton and Derby, before ending up at Leicester last year.
Of course like most of us born and raised in the area, Steve is a self-confessed Newcastle nut, and before the game Monday, he had made this statement:.
“Shearer is the man to take the club forward and get them back into the Premier League. He will sort it all out.”
“Just because you are a big club like Newcastle doesn’t mean you can drop your standards.”
Now that we’ve passed the transfer deadline there’s some time to look at the situation at the club.
As long as Ashley keeps the club, Chris will be his man, and we’ve heard many rumors these last months that as long as he is the owner, then Alan will not be the manager. And the way Mike has acted with Alan over the summer that isn’t too surprising.
We are obviously just fine with Chris running things at Newcastle until they get sorted, and if they don’t get sorted, we’ll just have to hope he can keep his Miracle On Tyneside going.
But once Mike sells, we half expect Shearer to be installed as the the permanent manager, and we don’t know if it will be John Carver or Iain Dowie as his assistant.
And in the changeover lies the possible problem.
We expect Chris to be retained and will be handed a more important coaching position, in Alan’s background team.
Since he worked with Chris over the last 8 games of last season, he will know Chris well, and Chris seems to be able to get on with anybody.
Alan knows the most important thing this season is to get the club promo0ted, and get some of the pride back to the Newcastle United club, after the disasters of last year.
This is not about egos, and if he has to work well with Chris and Colin Calderwood to get us promoted next May, we’re sure he will do that.
But one thing that will not work and we hope will not happen is that Shearer comes in and changes everything. That’s what we kept doing last year and look where it got us.
Alan will realize that Chris has done something magical that has worked very well this season, and not only with the players. We are winning games, playing well, and it’s a revelation to see how our players are now so committed and passionate about Newcastle United.
So if Mike sells soon, job number one is to have some continuity and Alan using Chris and understanding exactly what he’s done to produce his mini miracle, and then continue to use it – hopefully – is what we’d like to see.
The important things we need to achieve this season are:
- Get promoted
- Stabilize the club - and stop these soap operas we’re continually in
- Put Alan as manager as the face of the club, which allows us to attract great players back to Newcastle in the summer
- Take good care of Chris Hughton, and keep this Londoner on Tyneside
Howay The Lads!!
Comments welcome
257 responses so far ↓
1 lesh // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:36 PM
Ha! Not so cooldj!
Sensible words from Ed and rather than “We expect” Chris to be retained and will be handed a more important coaching position, under Alan’s background team, I think the language should be “We’d expect…… “.
As far as AS’s no 2’s concerned, I have reservations about Dowie and would ask what’s wrong with Chris Hughton as his no 2?
2 Bill F // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Putting AS in as manager could be a de-stabilising factor, Ch is doing a good job under very difficult circumstances with no wheels coming off, YET.
I still think Shearer should get off his comfortable BBC backside and be prepared to serve his time at a lower team or even as an assistant to Chris.
3 Trent Toon // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM
We should have signed this fella…. He was deadly to our back four, and he would probably be quite cheap… January is only a few months away- i guess i’ll reassess it then..
4 Trent Toon // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM
He looks a bit like Kevin Nolan!
5 toonsy // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Ah the takeover, anyone heard owt about it recently?
6 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Bill F // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:39 PM
Don’t know how to break this to you Bill – We are a lower team at this present moment.
7 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM
AS not for me – he was in the prime seat and e couldnt come to a point where he took over the helm – he had his chance and he blew it (whatever the reasons)
CH has earned our respect and loyalty.
To speak about AS coming in at this time is poor form imo.
8 premier // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Remind me what happened the last time a messiah came back!!
9 NO F IN KINNEAR // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM
dunno if its been posted probably has , so if so sorry.
canny interview straight from the horses mouth. keith harris last night on sky news.
http://lbc.co.uk/warning-over-newcastle-united-takeover-deal-12424
10 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Chris is a 1st class coach hes proved that by the way the team is playing, but the training program is the one that shearer put in place,. its to credit of Chris that he has kept it going. but a good coach is as important as a good manager, if you play a good forward in goal you don’t get good keeper. and look what happened playing duff at left back, the own goal that got us relegated. if Ashley stays it will be the world renowned kinnear not Chris. & Ashley would rather make the playoff than go up, as its more money.
11 nden85 // Sep 2, 2009 at 1:59 PM
in my opinion, the job should be offered to one man only, darren ferguson. he’s worked miracles at peterbrough with 2 promotions in 2 seasons. despite the termoil at newcastle he would undoubtably come here, and for once just maybe we could have a bit of stability.
12 Dan4Toon // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM
About the takeover //
Kieth Harris was in NEW YORK at the WEEKEND, and then after the game on MONDAY, the NEW YORK based consortium said they wanted to talk to Ashley directly because their talks with KIETH HARRIS went to slow!!
NOTICE THE PATTERN
!
13 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM
IMO we are ding well because the players we have are head and shoulders above anything else in this league. They have found their level.
Hughton deserves credit for keeping it all together but I believe anyone could do a decent job with these players in this league.
A new owner will come in and choose someone else to manage the team. That’s what happens.
14 AlanSmith. // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:04 PM
i’d like to see alan named manager. but instead of alan jumping straight in.. alan and chris make the changeover gradual.. say have alan take half of the training and chris still do what hes doing.. and for the first few games as the squad get used to alans way.. give chris a prominent role in match day tactics.. so its not one big change.. then after the changeover has happened id like to see chris hughton appointed as assistant manager..
15 baldynapper // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM
Personally I think Alan Should be brought when new owners are sorted (goodness knows when that will be). As for Chris I beleive he should be given a senior caching role (head coach) but i don’t think, and he has said in the past, that he is a manager!
John Carver is my choice for No. 2, he is another who commands respect and will no doubt slap Barton if he got too big for his boots (which will happen).
I honestly think thaqt we should be involving Alan thompson more and more in the first team as he seems to be doing a great job behind the scenes. I know he is there or thereabouts on match days and especially for the young kids. But this is how we bring on the next managers etc.
Ian Dowie for me is not an option, mates with Shearer but that’s it, helped Alan when he needed it last year but sadly the damage was already done in the previous 30 games!
As for Coaching roles don’t be surprised with Rob Lee coming in and possibly Gary Speed and Colin C moving on (from what i can gather Shearer didn’t bond with him last time hence albeit letting him go until Ashley asked him to stop as a cheap option of Chris and Colin!!)
Just my opinion
16 sahil // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:16 PM
11 nden85 i dont agree , wat do we know aboot this guy?
If he’s done miricles for peterboro it doesnt mean hel do it for us.
AS should be given the job with CH as his assistant
17 Toon Chicken // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM
I think CH has made a canny fist of things so far this season – he’s got the lads playing together and fighting for each other and has taught them how to win again – even if it’s not always pretty.
I think it would be a shame to not give him the chance to finish what he’s started and try and get us promoted at the first time of asking.
Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to have what it takes to cut it at the very highest level so I think it would be a great time for him to take a step back at the END of the season and return to coaching the first team. Then let whoever the new owners are appoint who THEY think is the best man to take us forward (ie; not necessarily Alan Shearer).
18 SpartanChris // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:17 PM
Although, I’m a big AS fan, it would be wrong to change the situation whilst we are winning.
19 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:18 PM
A very boring transfer window, although i still spent most of the day watching it. However i knew it wasn’t going to get any more exciting despite what the presenters kept saying! I cringed when 2 of them gave each other high fives!
Can’t believe i’m going to say this, and i know others feel the same, but i actually agree with SOME of Stardust’s comments. It’s good to see when he is not focused on attacking people for disliking MA he can have a sensible debate, very refreshing.
Lastly Ed if your reading, i see (Rodzilla) has been banned, i would ask you to reconsider as 90% of the time he is a good poster and talks about points sensibly and provides good comments. I know late at night when drunk he goes off track but i’m sure he would learn his lesson now.
20 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The whole manager situation is a difficult one, people say it was wrong to judge Shearer on 8 games yet we are now judging Hughton on less than 8 games.
Maybe it would be better if we didn’t get taken over till january, then we could judge Hughton then after he’s had more games. I’m undecided as to who is best for the job, but Hughton deserves at least till xmas to keep the position.
21 JinkyGenius // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Chris Hughton is the ONLY man for the job. He has earned it by hard graft and the talent to triumph over adversity. The job should be awarded on merit, Ed, not nepotism. The constant banging on about Shearer is irritating and utterly disrespectful to the achievements of Chris and Colin.
Let Big Al work his way up through the ranks and earn our praise, not be parachuted from above because he has friends. He can bring nothing to the situation but confusion, and certainly not management experience. If this was a blindfold test and the names of the candidates were not known, would you pick Mr A or Mr H?
22 Oba // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM
The takeover talk was just a front, to give Ashley an excuse for not spending any money in the window, imo.
23 Whumpie // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Tino – you’re not alone, mate. I too found Stardust’s attitude this morning a refreshing bit of thinking amongst all the doom-mongering depression. We should enjoy our current situation, because it is a hell of a lot better than any of us thought.
As for Big Al and Hughton, here’s a thought: Why has CH suddenly got so good? What has he learned since his last tenure which has led us to the top of the table?
Something to do with working under AS for 8 games last season?
He himself said that AS ‘designed’ the pre-season training. And we know the players were very positive about Big Al’s methods, discipline and training approach.
Chris was already a terriffic coash; perhaps Big Al’s influence has plugged the gaps and enabled him to become a good manager too?
As for bringing in AS, I think it’s a moot point. But I’ve developed a huge respect for Chris, so I’m wavering on it all.
If a new owner came in, I think I’d still like to see Big Al given the main job with Chris number 2. But the more we win, the harder that becomes to justify!
Gwaaarrrn Chris – keep proving us wrong!
(Oh, and Colin deserves some credit too!)
24 tino_asprilla // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Aye Tino, I agree re:Rodzilla, he can be annoying but he has valid points and contributes 90% of the time.
When we getting taken over?!?!?!
25 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Whumpie & Tino
9 times out of 10 Stardust makes some very valid points. Whether we agree with them or not.
As for Shearer, if Alex Ferguson’s son can start at the very bottom then why cant Alan? Get down the lower leagues and put the work in!
…He won’t do it. The difference between Darren Ferguson and Alan Shearer is this, one has his heart set on management, the other doesn’t. Shearer has no real ambition to become a manager, otherwise he would already be managing a side in the lower leagues. Alan’s ambition is one thing…MONEY! Hence the reluctance to leave the sofa unless WE offer him ridiculous and UNEARNED wages. I would rather he stayed away. Greeder begger!
26 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM
JinkyGenius // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I could give you a list as long as a horses c*ck of caretaker managers who have been a total disaster when given the job full time.
We only need to look at Roeder.
27 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Jinky – I don’t think we should get carried away and say CH is the only man for the job, he deserves his chance but lets judge him after an appropiate amount of time/games.
We say players and managers are cr@p to soon these days, but lets not go the complete opposite and think everything is good so soon. Lets take a balanced, time driven view.
28 Davies // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM
The training programme is only a small part of what’s required from a manager. He needs to be able to get the players to want to play for him. Hughton is, I think, the first manager to have done that since SBR (though I think Roeder also did it, but to a far lesser extent).
Shearer is not the answer at the moment. CH’s position is a lot more unstable than anybody else’s and I think the playing staff have been hugely appreciative of his efforts under the circumstances. This is probably one of the reasons he has them playing so well.
I’m more than happy ot keep faith with our present mananger. Aside from his efforts with the team, he’s one of the only people at the club that has behaved with dignity and pride. He hasn’t sulked and it has been reflected in his results.
29 Tanzy // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Manager : Alan Shearer
Assistant Manager : John Carver
Coaches :
Paul Barron GK
Chris Houghton DF
Gary Speed MF
Rob Lee MF
Colin Calderwood
Best XI
Harper
Simpson S.Taylor Kadar Enrique
Lovenkrands Smith Nolan Gutierez
Ameobi Carroll
other players
guthrie , ranger , coloccini , vuckic , donaldson , lua-lua , barton , gerimi , butt , R.taylor , danquah , tozer , solderburg
there will be injuries and suspensions throughout the season and all players will be uses i believe that NUFC should use the loans market to the full and sign 4 more loan players
Positions
GK 3
DF 7
MF 11
FW 4
I would buy 2 DF , 1 MD and 1 FW
Craig Cathcart manchester united
Geovanni dos santos tottenham hotspurs
James Vaughan Everton
Garath Bale tottenham hotspurs
premier league and championship experience
also there are free agents which could come in
micheal ball
mark viduka pay as you play deal
Henri Camera
= 31 players for at least 49 games
p.s chris houghton should be knighted haha
he done a class job in the circumstances.
30 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Whumpie & Tino
9 times out of 10 Stardust makes some very valid points. Whether we agree with them or not.
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I’d say 5.5 out of 10.
31 devonshier-mag // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM
i dont want to get ahead of myself but if we do end up getting promoted this season alan shearer will be 1 of the biggest assets come next summer…when we had keegan and sir bobby they were both 2 very well respected characters of the game,and could both attract big star players….shearer will be adsactly the same what is the best thing for a young cf player whos got loads of talent, and im talking cr9 talent…that would be to have the best premiership cf/goalscorer the premiership has seen as ur manager/coach. with big al as manager we would be getting the young talented players along with older classy players because all players of all age groupd respect shearer just like they all respected keegan and sir bobby…if ch does get us up like i think he will he deffo deserves a big role as hes a true gentlemen and has stuck by our club when we’ve truly needed him.
32 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:49 PM
Why do people keep suggestiong Giovani? He has an awful attitude and would be another N’Zogbia-esque signing. Quality youngster with bags and bags of potential…but it will forever remain as potential as they already believe they are the finished article.
I would much rather go for Adel Taarabt of Spurs. He is on loan at QPR and has just got his head down and got on with it. He, like Giovani has immense potential and could be world class if he found the right club and guidance.
33 komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:50 PM
tino 11 @ 19 , is this a piss take about rodzilla ??..if not why has he been banned..
34 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:52 PM
I think if we got promoted then AS would attract better players than CH, but thats not enough of a reason to give him the job.
35 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Komfort;
No, i only found out reading it here,
http://www.nufcblog.org/2009/09/toon-takeover-latest-harris-speaks/
36 lesh // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Agree wth Tino and Whumpie about Sawdust. He/ she/ it’s been talking non-condecending sense. Either somebody’s had hard words or Moondust’s been given different medication!
A suggestion: Maybe Stardust could use his Stardust nom when he’s posting sense and Sawdust when not. That way we’d have a clue which personality (eh?) we’re seeing.
Just a thought.
37 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Can people also stop saying things like, “Alan will attract quality players”…How do you know this!?
Yes he was a fantastic and well respected footballer, but times have changed. Players hardly ever make 100% of their decisions regarding their future as they hire agents to guide them in the direction that will see them earn the most money, or attract interest from an even biggr club (stepping stone process.)
Players coming out after signing a contract with comments like, “the manager really attracted me to the club…” or “the direction the club is pushing in…” etc is just the generic spin their AGENTS tell them to say so that fans don’t get on their backs about being unloyal money grabbers.
38 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM
disloyal*
39 Bill F // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Stuart, LOL, yeah it is but I was thinking more of the even lower leagues or even non league clubs.
I stand by what I said but have to admit the suggestion he serve his time under Chris was a bit tongue in cheek , just wanted to see if there was any reaction. A lot of people have him walking on water before he has even done anything to merit ascension.
40 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM
baldynapper // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM
“As for Chris I beleive he should be given a senior caching role (head coach) but i don’t think, and he has said in the past, that he is a manager!”
He didn’t say that baldynapper. He wants to be a manager, and he said that he wanted to be a manager after being Jol’s assistant at Tottenham. I don’t know where you got that information from, but it’s incorrect.
41 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Can people also stop saying things like, “Alan will attract quality players”…How do you know this!?
I think there are still footballers out there who consider it a honour/factor to play for a manger who they respected as a player but agree it’s no where near as many as it used to be.
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I don’t know for sure, it’s just my opinion, is it ok to say it.
42 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Tino 11
Sorry, mate. It just really cheeses me off. Oh no doubt it will be a factor, it would be ignorant and naive to suggest otherwise. However, money and status are ultimately the two main factors that will decide the players destination.
43 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM
alan shearer is the man for the job, thed time is perfect, he commandes respect from everyone and we bady need stability, the fans wil never turn against shearer so he will get the necessary 3–5 years to rebuild a good team and club, he knows the club inside/out
the players want him, all respected football people think he should get the job
hughton is doing a great coach but he is not a manager (self confessed), he should be kept on as a coach
as for shearer, the championship is the best place to learn his trade, there is no comparasion between him and darren fergusion, shearer is a NUFC legend, a quality player, probabley the best striker england ever had, darren fergusion was not thus why he stared in the lower divisions and had the luxury of using his father contacts and loan some decent young united players, im not comdemning this at all now but there is no comparasion between darren fergusion and shearer
shearer has the abilty to attract good players, he commandes respect from players and he will be given the time……SHEARER FOR MANAGER
44 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM
so what do we do wait until we start to loose, until we cant get promoted, i will tel you what will happen Chris Hughton will say, i did not want the job, i am a coach, not a manager, i gave you a 13+ point head start and you blew it, the best time to make changes, is when you are winning, that’s how a successful Liverpool always did it. when they stopped doing it that way, man u took over from them. its what Chris expects to happen, what we as fans should do is let Chris & every one else know that we appreciate what he has done, and for the ones that say we are miles ahead of others in this league, what about Huddersfield, we could easily have lost, Sheff wed, we could have easily have lost, the reasons we did not, was the players had the fight, the longer this ridiculous farce goes on the more difficult it gets. the facts are if Chris Hughton is made manager in 12 months he will be sacked, that’s the simple facts, a loyal coach, who has kept the dream of getting back to the premier will be the scape goat, & it will happen. and although i know the manager should be shearer, i will never call for his sacking, like i never did for Roader, or Dinnis, i have seen this mistake, so many times at Newcastle, over the years it makes my blood boil at times. and before anyone wants to make a comment, i was at Newcastle 10 lowest crowds of the 20th century, only 4000 or so others could make that claim.
45 komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
cheers tino 11 , i’m absolutley astounded that other posters found rod offensive to the extent of making complaints to ed….if you didn’t appreciate him ignore his posts or tell him to belt up !!……cowards..
46 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM
It’s a fact that big name managers attract better quality players.
Ask Bryan Robson.
Worky,
I have never heard Hughton say he wanted to be a manager.
If he did I would presume he would have given it a go over the last 15 yrs he’s been involved in coaching.
47 nden85 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
is graeme souness available?
48 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM
dragonera
as a player shearer attracted players to the club, in his brief stint as manager players like bassong, beye, duff respected him as a manager and would have stayed if he was still manager
with the right man in charge and fans behind a manager it makes a club a very attractive club to go to because of its ambition, shearer is the man the fans want to get behind
49 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Fostino
“as for shearer, the championship is the best place to learn his trade, there is no comparasion between him and darren fergusion, shearer is a NUFC legend, a quality player, probabley the best striker england ever had, darren fergusion was not thus why he stared in the lower divisions ”
…Probably the worst logic i have ever heard. Being a good footballer doesn’t make you a good manager. Let’s put it this way, if i owned a factory chain and one of my factory managers left, would i then go on to promote the “best” worker to manager? No i wouldn’t, why? Because the two positions require significantly different skills and abilities. This belief that Shearer “deserves” to be manager is ridiculous and is why the press continually mock us. IT DOESNT MATTER IF HE IS A GEORDIE HERO!
50 HalftimeBovril // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Anybody seen “Takeovernews” (or name similar to that) these last few days. Wonder if he has any updates for us
51 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Tino 11
Sorry, mate. It just really cheeses me off. Oh no doubt it will be a factor, it would be ignorant and naive to suggest otherwise. However, money and status are ultimately the two main factors that will decide the players destination.
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No probs, and i agree with your comment. Money being the number 1 factor for a large majority of players these days, Man City being the prime example. It getting worse aswell, with only true stars like Messi and Kaka etc turning down the big, big money.
52 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM
“hughton is doing a great coach but he is not a manager (self confessed), he should be kept on as a coach”
For the second time, Fostino, Chris Hughton DIDN’T say that he “isn’t a manager”.
53 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Stuart
I have already conceded that it is a FACTOR. However, it would be naive for anyone to believe that it makes up anymore than about 15% of the players’ mind. Money is what matters now.
54 Bill F // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM
I wasn’t aware that Rodzilla had been banned, I have to say he has never offended me. A lot of stuff on the blog can be a bit over the top at times but it is a live blog and I think sometimes people type quicker than they think and say stuff they don’t always mean, or may regret later. I know I have. Most of us take it with a pinch of salt. Perhaps a two match supension rather than a total ban might be in order, although I must admit I do not know why he has been banned just how serious was his misdemeanour?
55 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:11 PM
komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
cheers tino 11 , i’m absolutley astounded that other posters found rod offensive to the extent of making complaints to ed….if you didn’t appreciate him ignore his posts or tell him to belt up !!……cowards..
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Me too Komfort, if someone was racist then i’d have no problem with someone reporting them, but Rodz was never like that, in fact when he was drunk he argued with himself more than anyone else!
56 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Dave 1961, Ch has never said that he is a man who is always positive and protecting his players he considered he is a coach he has always fought on. Remember what Shola said CH had never had the time to prepare the team well after KK it was disaster even if we wld have got Ferguson nothing wld have happened and after Kinnear we had the hard games Man U, Arsenal but what I wtd we played attacking football and he had the ball to put OWEN on the bench. CH for me and He has his badges.
57 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Fostino
Don’t be so naive. Those players would have probably said the same about any manager that took over when Shearer did. What they were probably trying to stress is that they need stability and will not stay at a club that continually chops and changes it’s manager.
58 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:13 PM
i must say i never found rodzilla’s comments offensive either
59 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:14 PM
As for Big Al and Hughton, here’s a thought: Why has CH suddenly got so good? What has he learned since his last tenure which has led us to the top of the table?
Something to do with working under AS for 8 games last season?
……
That’s clutching at straws.
60 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM
i heard him on a number of occasions say he was not a manager, and he enjoyed being a coach.
61 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM
workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM
I have still never heard Hughton say he wanted to give management a go.
He has had long enough to have a go and he hasn’t. That must sa something.
62 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Yes, Rangerman, it is.
63 euanpolo // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM
http://www.footballfancast.com/blog/premiership/an-open-letter-leeds-newcastle-and-pompey-fans/16355#comment-35873
64 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM
workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:02 PM
“hughton is doing a great coach but he is not a manager (self confessed), he should be kept on as a coach”
For the second time, Fostino, Chris Hughton DIDN’T say that he “isn’t a manager”.
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Worky i’m not saying your wrong but alot of people seem to be saying the same thing, they must have got it from somewhere?
65 komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM
bill f ….am still off the smokey joe’s mate …but cant stop arguing with everybody or if i’m not doing that me heed’s stuck in the fridge..it aint easy.
tino .. exactly mate..
66 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
“Worky,
I have never heard Hughton say he wanted to be a manager.”
“I’d like to have a go at managing a club. It hasn’t happened in the past because there’s always been a good reason to stay at Spurs.”
That’s what he said after working as Jol’s assistant at Tottenham, Stuart.
67 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Hughton said last season that he hoped to have a crack at management one day.
68 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Rangerman;
I know you are a finances man, i was wondering if you could explain something. If reports are true then our overdraft is £20 million into a £39 million limit. If we’ve made around £24 million in transfers then why don’t we pay half the overdraft off which it will then drop to this apparent £10 million that Barclays want?
Surely we would’ve got the Milner and N’Zog cash now which would’ve been enough?
69 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM
“Worky i’m not saying your wrong but alot of people seem to be saying the same thing, they must have got it from somewhere?”
Lies often get repeated many times, Tino. It’s just human psychology.
70 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM
“Hughton has previously sidestepped the issue of whether he would take the job, but asked if he would like a crack at management, he said: “Yes I would. Management is something that has always interested me.
“At Tottenham there was a change of manager, and I had some experience of holding the fort.””
http://www.givemefootball.com/championship/hughton-steadies-rocky-newcastle-ship
71 MickMack // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM
I dont post regularly but always on this site. Got to say – Rodzilla is one of the best things about this site.
72 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM
chris was interviewd and sild that alan shearer had decided on the training metods & pre season, & shearer also saild it, this is by no means belittling what chris has done , its a clever man that does the wright thing no matter who has the ideas, also saying that Chris is a good coach but not a manager, if Chris wanted to be a manager he would have tried it by now as he is highly regarded in football, a top defender does not make a good center forward. shearer has self belief one major thing a good manager needs. Chris will no doubt be wondering if he could make it after this good start if he does within 12 months he will be sacked.
73 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I’ve never heard him say he wanted to be a manager.
He has never even been mentioned as a manager, if he wanted to have a go I’m sure he would have done it by now.
74 bowburnmag // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Hughton managed to say that just after I went to lengths to convince people he wasn’t interested.
I still think he’s trying to convince himself as well as us but he’s doing a stand-up job in the process.
75 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM
workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM
“Worky i’m not saying your wrong but alot of people seem to be saying the same thing, they must have got it from somewhere?”
Lies often get repeated many times, Tino. It’s just human psychology.
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Well i suppose your right, politicians do it every day!
76 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Actions speak louder than words I’m afraid.
77 bowburnmag // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:28 PM
In my honest opinion, Rodzilla is quite simply a comedy genius. As well as a decent amateur football pundit, respectful blogger and all-round good bloke.
78 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM
May be he said it of not but I think Ch has a shout. We had KK and failed to attract players. I know one thing that attracts players;
1. Money which we dont have apparently
2. Stability which we also done have
3. EPL which we dont have
4. Winning games which we have now.
So if we keep winning games with CH, I promise you players of our caliber will want to come and play for us.
I hate MA but I think he was right to say that we buy young players and make our own Newcastle rather than buy. Look at Barca
We have Smith, Nolan, Barton, Steven Taylor, Harper, Lovenkrands, Colo and Jonas we can build a team around these guys
79 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM
I am getting the impression ‘Rodzilla’ is posting on here under several other names.
80 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Rangerman;
I know you are a finances man, i was wondering if you could explain something. If reports are true then our overdraft is £20 million into a £39 million limit. If we’ve made around £24 million in transfers then why don’t we pay half the overdraft off which it will then drop to this apparent £10 million that Barclays want?
Surely we would’ve got the Milner and N’Zog cash now which would’ve been enough?
…….
Because we might not have the money yet as most players are bought over the length of their contracts, the Milner money is apparently coming in at £3 million a year which would be offset by the money going out for Coloccini etc.
It’s not a case of making £24 million in sales either, Martins for example was bought by Shepherd over the length of his contract so we would have had 2 payments left to make on him, so out of the £9 million or so we got we would have had to pay Inter what we owed them (£4m?) as well as pay Martins a loyalty bonus as he didn’t ask for a move.
81 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM
dragonera
what point are you trying to make to me, you have respinded to me twice calling me ‘naive’ and ‘having the worst logic’ …right so why do you go against all the well respected people related to football, the majority of fans and the players and think shearer isnt the man for the job?? then i can slam your opinions like you do
a factory is very much a different business to a football club, i would have taught ashleys and llambias reign as NUFC owners would have taught you that!!
82 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM
“He has never even been mentioned as a manager, if he wanted to have a go I’m sure he would have done it by now.”
He wanted to stay at ‘Spurs, but he wasn’t going to get his first full time position there, as they wouldn’t appoint someone so inexperienced as manager just because he was a legend for the club as a player. Only daft clubs do that sort of thing.
83 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:33 PM
chris was interviewd and sild that alan shearer had decided on the training metods & pre season, & shearer also saild it.
……..
Have you got a link to these comments?
All I remember them saying was Shearer arranged the pre season friendlies, nothing to do with day to day training.
84 Bill F // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Komfort, well done mate, I imagine you must be chewing your fingernails by now! With the stuff thats been happening at our club I have, and I have never been a smoker.
Do go to the e-cigarette site, my missus has never looked back since she got one and she was a 20 a day + smoker.
http://www.ecslimited.co.uk
85 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM
tino 11 & workyticket
hughton has been coaching for many years, he’s bein our caretaker boss more times than i can remember (same with spurs), not once has he made a case to be pernament manager, he dodges the question when he is asked it and merely says that he will take the job for as long as he is required to, he clearly has no desire to be a manager! i am not condemening hughton, he is a great coach, and if he doesnt want the hassle of being a manager and prefers the coaching roll which he does, that is fair enough and his choice
86 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Dave 1961, He said that AL prepared the pre-season games but the training methods were his that I remember well.
87 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:30 PM
We don’t do that!
We pay everything up front and sell on the never never.
Genius
88 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:40 PM
bowburnmag // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:24 PM
“Hughton managed to say that just after I went to lengths to convince people he wasn’t interested.”
He’s said it more than once since leaving Spurs, Bowburn.
89 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM
We don’t do that!
We pay everything up front and sell on the never never.
Genius
……
We paid for Nolan up front and possibly the Jonas compensation, the accounts don’t show that players coming in before that were paid up front.
90 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:45 PM
CH for Manager and Lets give him time. i Think it will work out.
Al is a legend but he shld wait for his time or try a Lee Clark, you dont jst have to start with NUFC.
91 Mr Books // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Komfort – I used to get through 20-30 a day.
Haven’t touched one now in about 5 years.
For the first 6 months I worked out how much a month I spent on smokes, then every month I bought myself a “well done for not smoking” present with 1/2 the cash I saved
92 Ashley Hole // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM
The important things what Ashley has to do immediately are:
?–Sell Newcastle FC
?–Buy a rocket – and start the engine
? Put Limbiaz as a driver and jump in and also take Wise with you.
?Take a good care of yourself and your friends, and get your ass to mars.
Goodbye!
93 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Lovenkrands looks fat.
94 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Ask Llambias.
He has said the policy of the club under Ashley is to pay transfer fees upfront.
Ashley was very unhappy that Shepherd had been paying for players over their contract.
You know the way every other club does it!
95 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM
I think that CH has said he wants to be a manger when at Spurs and after leaving them, but whilst being caretaker at Newcastle he has said he wasn’t interested in the job full time, until recently.
Can we all agree on that!
96 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Ask Llambias.
He has said the policy of the club under Ashley is to pay transfer fees upfront.
Ashley was very unhappy that Shepherd had been paying for players over their contract.
You know the way every other club does it!
……
Llambias said the club paid for the players bought in January up front, if you look at the accounts released under Ashley you will see that it wasn’t happening in previous windows.
97 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM
maybe if ashley did his due diligence, all these things wouldnt have came as a nasty surprise to him
98 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM
will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:38 PM
“Dave 1961, He said that AL prepared the pre-season games but the training methods were his that I remember well.”
Correct, Toon.
99 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Rangerman,
Look it is the clubs policy to pay for players all in one go up front – Fact.
I’m not bothered about last year, I’m only interested in the clubs policy as we talk.
We currently sell on tick and buy up front.
Great for cash flow that
100 Solaidback // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Rodzilla’s been banned, what for 2 bookable offences… lol
Anyway, back to the topic in question, should CH be given the job permantly, if it’s a choice between him & JFK, then too right he should!!!
If it’s a choice between CH & AS, then apart from the 15 years coaching he’s done, does he have any other qualifications which AS doesn’t have or need to manager a fizzy pop team??
We’re all saying that Houghton is doing a grand job but how do we know it’s actually him doing the great job & not Colin Calderwood?? Maybe he’s got the players playing the way they are, maybe it’s what AS left behind thats got them this way or maybe its the players themselves who’re so fed-up with all the crap thats been going on, have decided they need to do whats right & are doing the training, preperation & picking the team themselves..
101 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Ch is not yet announced as Manager so there are many things that he can not do. Lets wait for that time when it is announced.
Lets start singing CH’s name not AL’s.
102 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM
tino 11
yes we can
i just think with a bad run of games under hughton (god forbid again), the fans would turn on him very easily and start calling for shearer again, it would be like delaying the inevitable and this might be the case for any manager….the time is right now for shearer..shearer = stability
103 craftymagpie // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM
i think thr world of alan shearer but im not of the mind hes the right man to take the toon to the dizzy heights…chirs has been a god send so far imo…hes done what most coaches in the world should be doing and thats coaching and not relying on an endless cheque book to make a fantasy football team…i havent seen him have one single grumble with the job coming from him and and credit to him…and lets face it chris has worked his way up unlike alan whos simply a pundit with a passion for his club…its all very well having another messiah but as thats proved in the past it got us nothing…and look where we are….welldone chris keep it up
104 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM
“I think that CH has said he wants to be a manger when at Spurs and after leaving them, but whilst being caretaker at Newcastle he has said he wasn’t interested in the job full time, until recently.
Can we all agree on that!”
What did he say exactly, Tino? Where’s the quote?
105 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Rangerman,
Look it is the clubs policy to pay for players all in one go up front – Fact.
I’m not bothered about last year, I’m only interested in the clubs policy as we talk.
We currently sell on tick and buy up front.
Great for cash flow that
…….
The reason he paid up front in January was likely to be because he still wanted to shift the club and didn’t want to add any more debt to it, cash flow has nothing to do with it because Llambias said Ashley paid for Nolan out of his own pocket.
Paying for one player up front doesn’t make it our policy when a dozen or so players have came in previously were paid over the length of their contracts.
106 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Fostino
It doesn’t matter what “well respected people in football think”. Half of these pundits etc just jump on the bandwagon. Just apply some logic to the situation rather than simply following the opinions of others. It really is as simple as this,
WHAT HAS SHEARER DONE TO SUGGEST HE WOULD BE A SUCCESS HERE?
If you can come up with a valid answer for that question then maybe i wouldn’t “slam” your suggestions.
107 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Solaidback, you have gone very far
108 Tal_nufc4eva // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:00 PM
mark my words watch as soon as shearer cumz in we’ll start loosin n that again. i do want him as manager tho, he just needs to keep to the same as wot chris has done and take a few leaves out of his book.
109 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Quotes have been posted from Hughton where he says he would like a crack at management so I can’t see what the argument is.
110 Tal_nufc4eva // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:02 PM
wot does “imo” mean???
111 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM
In My Opinion.
112 craftymagpie // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:03 PM
imo means in my honest opinion
113 craftymagpie // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:04 PM
oops yes not imho…just imo …in my opinion…sorry
114 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
Look get the Llambias interview with the local rags.
He is quoted as saying that the cub will pay for transfers up front from now on!
Club policy numb nuts!
Accept it.
115 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:05 PM
CH has enough experience compared to AL. I love AL its not yet his time let him try somewhere else and then come to us thats how it is? He is no KK. KK jst got his chance.
But for Steve Bruce, I hate Bruce.
116 batty // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:06 PM
komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM
cheers tino 11 , i’m absolutley astounded that other posters found rod offensive to the extent of making complaints to ed….if you didn’t appreciate him ignore his posts or tell him to belt up !!……cowards..
<<<< spot on komfy ive email ed and asked him why havent had 1 back yet
117 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Let me ask what kind of soccer did we used to play under AL, What fomation he didnt stick to anything. At what I saw we are far worse than the time when we had CH
118 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Look get the Llambias interview with the local rags.
He is quoted as saying that the cub will pay for transfers up front from now on!
Club policy numb nuts!
Accept it.
…….
If you’re so confident it says that then you find it.
What I am telling you is that the only transfer fee the club paid for up front was Nolan which came out of Ashley’s pocket so made no difference to cashflow.
You can kick, scream, name call and generally act like a big baby but it won’t make you right.
From someone who comes on here making out Llambias is a liar and not to be trusted you seem to be putting a lot of faith in his comments.
119 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Quotes have been posted from Hughton where he says he would like a crack at management so I can’t see what the argument is.
It’s the Al-Shera martyrs brigade, Rangerman. They can’t smear him with the usual stuff, because he’s obviously such a decent fellow. Hence they try to turn it around, and use that against him instead. He’s too ‘nice’ to be a manager etc etc…
120 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Ashley’s the liar, Llambias is just his mouth piece.
121 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Stuart
I truly doubt that is a policy of the club. It would make very little sense for the club to implement such a policy as it would severely limit our transfer opportunities. Not many clubs pay for transfers in bulk fees and i can’t see many changing their whole approach to business just so they can do business with Newcastle United.
122 komfort // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM
i dont have a link but i’m pretty sure lambarse stated how they had paid for xisco up front…
123 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM
dragonera
you havent answered my question yet tho but i will answer mine, you just dodged it again
to answer your question
‘WHAT HAS SHEARER DONE TO SUGGEST HE WOULD BE A SUCCESS HERE?’
well he is the clubs all time top goalscorer, a true legend, chose to join us when he could have gone to any club as a player merits that he loves the toon, he knows the club, he knows the fans, a big plus for this unique club, he is a geordie
lets imagine a bad run of games under hughton (god forbid again), the fans would turn on him very easily and start calling for shearer again, it would be like delaying the inevitable and this would be the case for any manager….the time is right now for shearer..SHEARER = STABILITY, something which the club badly needs to move forward
and in response to your ‘It doesn’t matter what “well respected people in football think”’ quote, what are you talking about. should we listen to businessmen instead of real football men so (a problem with the current regieme of ashley & llambias) to run our club. ya lets ignore the likes of bobby robson, les ferdinand the many other football legends that have graced our club because they all jump on the bandwagon sure of alan shearer, do you suggest they know nothing about football???
124 will die for the toon army // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM
CH for Manager am OUT
125 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Llambias has said it’s club policy.
126 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM
workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM
Quotes have been posted from Hughton where he says he would like a crack at management so I can’t see what the argument is.
It’s the Al-Shera martyrs brigade, Rangerman. They can’t smear him with the usual stuff, because he’s obviously such a decent fellow. Hence they try to turn it around, and use that against him instead. He’s too ‘nice’ to be a manager etc etc…
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Worky i don’t think it was anything to do with Shearer, i thought we were talking about whether CH has always said he wanted the full time job, i was under the impression he only recently said he wanted it full time, perhaps i’m wrong, but let’s not try and turn it into an argument about Shearer.
127 luv the toon // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM
guys,
i was watching goal 3 and found this..
isnt the fat guy in newcastle shirt mike ashley?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wybaYwazC0U&NR=1
128 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:18 PM
So to some up your post Fostino we should give Shearer the job because he was a loyal player for us and the fans would get behind him?
Also his friends in football think he should get it too.
129 pubcat // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:20 PM
As for the argument “what did Shearer do in the 8 games in charge to prove he is worth the job?” etc…well, CH’s record was hardly anything to boast about before this season either!
I think Shearer plus Hughton and Calderwood working with him would be potentially very good. No Dowie.
I wouldn’t want Shearer to employ that 3-man defense system again though!
I think CH is doing such a great job partly because he is almost an ‘invisible’ coach’ right now – really an extension of a tight-knit squad. It probably suits Chris best if it stays that way than for his profile to be lifted too much.
By the way, excuse my ignorance but what is Solano doing these days? Is it out-of-question for us to give him a one year playing contract? His age shouldn’t matter too much, as his game doesn’t rely on pace. Just a thought (also, back-up right back too).
130 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:14 PM
“‘WHAT HAS SHEARER DONE TO SUGGEST HE WOULD BE A SUCCESS HERE?’
well he is the clubs all time top goalscorer, a true legend, chose to join us when he could have gone to any club as a player merits that he loves the toon, he knows the club, he knows the fans, a big plus for this unique club, he is a geordie”
What does that have to do with management, Fostino? You could have said the same about Bobby Charlton at Manchester United, but he found out pretty quickly that just because your one of England’s most highly regarded players, it doesn’t mean that you’re a great manager too.
131 tino_asprilla // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM
I am getting the impression ‘Rodzilla’ is posting on here under several other names
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I’m getting the impression you’re as in love with Rodzilla as you are with Llambias. Did you two have a lovers tiff or was it all one sided?
pety.
132 lacedaemonian // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM
I always found Rodzilla quite funny. Other than his late night spamming sessions (which were both harmless and pointless) I do not see why he has been banned. One of the quality posters on here IMO.
I hope that Chris is left in charge until January, then we can review the situation. It might be that he doesn’t want to be manager once the wheels come off. At the minute he is in quite a good position, as everybody is focussed on the sale of the club and expectations are/were low.
133 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:25 PM
rangerman
these are big attributes for the job, yes! he deseves the chance!
he’s finishing doing his coaching badges, his many years in the game will surely warrent he knows a thing or two about football..no?
lets face it, if CH, JFK, curbishly, o leary etc get the job, how long would it be till the fans start calling for shearer again….hence stability!!
STABILITY was my main reason remember!!
134 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Fostino
“well he is the clubs all time top goalscorer, a true legend, chose to join us when he could have gone to any club as a player merits that he loves the toon, he knows the club, he knows the fans, a big plus for this unique club, he is a geordie”
None of those are a valid answer as to why Alan would make a successful manager. There is no proof of any management credentials at all in the above paragraph. It is the equivalent of me attending an interview for a job in Finance with a portfolia filled with documents that demonstrate my fantastic sales experience. A no brainer…and no job!
“fans would turn on him very easily and start calling for shearer again, it would be like delaying the inevitable and this would be the case for any manager”
This is no reason to appoint Shearer as manager. All this suggests is that the owners should ignore 90% of the demands made by the fans and concentrate on building a successful club. Simple. Fans generally form suggestions and opinions out of ignorance and emotion rather than logic. You will be hard pressed to find a club that bases important management decisions on what the fans want. This is because the common ideology is that fans do not actually know what they want.
“do you suggest they know nothing about football???”
No. What i suggest is that instead of following the opinions of what Alan’s television ‘chums’ think, why don’t you instead look at the situation logically. He has not proved in any way that he will be a good manager so these football personalities know just as much as us about his chances of success. ZILCH! Why take the risk when you are already doing well? It is just silly.
By the way, what was your question?
135 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/src/webroot/sundaysun/sport/newcastle-utd/nufc-questions-and-answers/2009/02/10/five-year-plan-in-glory-quest-72703-22893622/2/
Collocini, Xisco and Gutierrez all paid up front!
Add Nolan to that.
136 DJG // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:30 PM
I would still like us to sign Cathcart. Just so that we have a lad who can come in when S.Taylor or Collo break down. I dont think Kadar is ready.
I think we actually look ok for strikers now with Ranger, Carroll and hopefully Lovenkrands fit for Cardiff and Ameobi to come back.
Darron Gibson would have been nice but that might have blunted Vuckic’s opportunities with us already being well stocked in CM.
Im not convinced about Shearer, for me he needs to prove himself elsewhere and its not enough to simply be a billy big b###cks. The lack of fight on the last game of the season when we only need a draw to stay up was simply shocking and Dowie was an interesting choice, a guy who has suffered perpetual relegation. I would much rather stick with Hughton for this season, he has the respect of the players an is not and Ego merchant. He even seems to get on with Barton.
137 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Tino asprilla
You couldn’t have revealed yourself as Rodzilla in a more obvious fashion. Grow up.
138 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:25 PM
“lets face it, if CH, JFK, curbishly, o leary etc get the job, how long would it be till the fans start calling for shearer again….hence stability!!”
That’s a problem for the fans Fostino, if they want the club to be successful and not a joke, that is.
139 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM
3 points 1 Chris did say he was using Shearer’s training methods, by this i am not belittling him, even shearer, was implementing someone else’s ideas, just he thinks they are the best route to success, and Chris must agree as he has not changed them, Keegan used his methods, Kinnear could not be ars*d about training, then shearer changed, because the players were not fit, and they were taking no notice of Chris, culminating in shearers famous out burst that it was his club & his city.
2. shearers a ten ton weight suspended above any manager secured by a thread, until shearer tries & fails, it always will be.
3. the reason i am against Chris is two fold, this type of appointment always ends in failure. this will result in Chris getting the sack (this when hes doing a fantastic job as coach. just have to look at the makums and Ricky whats is name. hes now a scout.
140 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM
workyticket
yes but booby charlton never went for the managers job, shearer did and now that he has i think alot of fans (including me) think he should be given a fair chance to prove himself, im not saying he’ll be a great manager, know one will ever know that unless he’s given the chance!! im making the arguement that he should be made NUFC manager!!
stability is a big factor look at post 132
141 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Ed-
I don’t know what Rodzilla’s offense was, but I can vouch for his character. He’s almost always one of the best posters on this blog. I enjoy his conversations (even when they’re with himself hehe) more than just about every other poster on here. To echo another poster’s words on this particular thread, he’s a comedy genius and passable amateur football pundit. I’d implore you to reconsider the ban and let him post again. He’s one of the gents on here who have really made me, an American who’s almost totally new to the world of Newcastle and Geordies, feel like family. I would love to see him back, and I feel like I speak for everybody when I say that. Even Stardust
142 Nick 69 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM
people are questioning why shearer should get the job, but exactly why should hughton get the job?? he proved he could not cut it at premiership level, and had probably a worse record than shearer. hughton is doing ok in a lower league, but whats to say shearer wouldn’t have won every game 5-0 at this level. its a totally different league and much much easier which is why hughton is looking so good. Im no knocking him cos hes done a good job and deserves to stay here whoever the manager is, but if he was given the job and did get us promoted I guarantee he’d be sacked after 10 games at most in premiership next season.
143 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:31 PM
“workyticket
yes but booby charlton never went for the managers job,”
Bobby Charlton was manager of Preston, Fostino. However it turned out that he wasn’t very good at it so he packed it in.
144 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:40 PM
drangonera
basically why do you think shearer isnt the man for the job?
who do you suggest? (new question)
bear in mind, newcastle is a unique club where fans and local interest is important in running the club!! lets face it, if CH, JFK, curbishly, o leary etc get the job, how long would it be till the fans start calling for shearer again….hence stability!!
STABILITY is key!!
145 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM
If you look at the last set of accounts note 26 will clearly tell you the club spent £13,615,000 on transfer fees which include making payments on the likes of Martins, Duff etc.
We did not pay up front for all of those players, Ashley may have put money in as working capital to use as repayments but we haven’t paid for those players up front.
146 JinkyGenius // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM
First off, big up to Rodzilla, who’s posts had me bad with laughting at times. Lighten up, Ed, he’s a star!
Is Big Al messes up, and he might, where does he go? He has a solid reputation, and potentially is an excellent manager, but I’m not even sure he has all his badges yet?
There are two losers in this scenario, and one is Big Al himself. I can’t think of anything sadder than being stuck on a BBC couch with Lauro, but only he can only work this out for himself. If serious, Al should perhaps spend a few years as an assistant coach and graduate slowly thought the ranks (at home and abroad) out of the limelight. He WILL make mistakes, let him make them at a level commensurate with the stage he is at experience wise.
The pity is NUFC is in crisis and miracles are expected and heroes sought. Well CH has provided quite a few miracles to date, and now (whether CH gets or even wants the job) Al should not be suckered into taking the post when other alternatives still exist for himself and the club.
Besides, nepotism always smells funny….
147 carrollfan // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:43 PM
The takeover could take months yet. if the take over happens in the next week or two maybe shearer could come in as manager but if we get to december and CH has kept us top of the league up until then and someone comes in and buys us i don’t really see how you could replace him as manager.
148 DJG // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Hughton has got 13 points out of 15,
what did Shearer and Dowie get?
4 out out 18 or something. I know it is a different league but why fix something when it ain’t broken? Let Hughton be the coach/manager this season and then if we are promoted bring in an EXPERIENCED manager like Curbs. No brainer. History has proven that good players very rairly make good managers. The attributes required to be a good manager are totaly different to that of being a good player.
149 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Fostino
It’s not a case of why isn’t Shearer the man for the job. It is a case of, if it aint broke, don’t fix it. Why would we take a risk on Shearer when he has no track record. Hughton also has no track record, but the difference is he somehow finds himself in a position where has put together a string of results and the team are doing well. Not to mention a few players are now calling for him to get the job on a permanent basis. Would it be fair to replace him? I understand your poitn about stability, but giving into what the fans wan’t everytime is a bad idea and the wrong route to take. A precedent needs to be set.
Nick 69
The difference is that Hughton is already in the job and doing well. Yes Shearer may have done a good job too…but that is just speculation. You have to go by what is infront of you. Therefore Hughton should stay until he cocks up. He has earned that right.
150 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:41 PM
If you look at the last set of accounts note 26 will clearly tell you the club spent £13,615,000 on transfer fees which include making payments on the likes of Martins, Duff etc.
We did not pay up front for all of those players, Ashley may have put money in as working capital to use as repayments but we haven’t paid for those players up front.
My apologises I didn’t realise you knew more about the club tranfer dealings than the Managing Director!
Buffoon!
151 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:46 PM
workyticket
bear in mind, newcastle is a unique club where fans and local interest is important in running the club!! how long would it be till the fans start calling for shearer again when a managewr is having a bad run….hence stability!!
STABILITY is key!! im not saying shearer will be great but he deserves the chance to prove himself, it wouldnt be fair to judge him on our final 8 games last season, it wouldnt be fair on this NUFC legend to be deemed a failure with relegation after all his loyalty….he should be given a chance to prove himself now, until he is let do so, their will be no stability, fans will always call for him as manager when things arent going right…sure you can say that this is foolish from the fans, but fans and local interest are big factors in running this unique club!!
152 DJG // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:48 PM
JinkyGenius // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM
” I can’t think of anything sadder than being stuck on a BBC couch with Lauro,”
ha, neither can I
153 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:52 PM
My apologises I didn’t realise you knew more about the club tranfer dealings than the Managing Director!
Buffoon!
…….
Luckily I have an accountants degree so I feel confident in what I say on the subject, unlike yourself who made up he had one to try and impress Stardust.
It all comes down to what you believe, now personally I believe the official club accounts that have been audited by Ernst & Young, you prefer to believe Derek “2 £100m bid received for the club” Llambias.
You can throw in as much childish name calling as you like but it just makes you look as idiot.
154 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM
dragonera
i agree that hughton has done a great job but imagine were struggling midtable in a couple of months, fans will call for shearer again, its almost we need to get the shearer saga out of our system for good or for bad, shearer deserves the chance to prove himself, it wouldnt be fair to judge him on our final 8 games last season, it wouldnt be fair on this NUFC legend to be deemed a failure with relegation after all his loyalty….loyalty works both ways!!
remember hughton can always stay on a coach
155 Stuart79 // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM
ou’ve bored me with that one already.
When was the last accounts publihed?
156 Mr Books // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:55 PM
When it comes to managing the club CH and AS have just about equal experience. Next to none.
CH may have more backroom experience in general than AS but he does not have management experience.
My fear is that giving CH the job permenantly will mean we end up sacking him before the end of the season and losing a really really good coach.
See Sammy Lee at Bolton
See Glen Roeder at NUFC
See Rickey Sbragia as SCUM
See Avram Grant at Chelsea
I dont think Hughton is arrogant enough to be the No1, and Shearer is to arrogant to be the No2 – although he has already had a stint as the assistant manager role, but only for a couple of games. I think that of the two Shearer is the more determined and more ambitious.
I would quite like to see Shearer appointed as manager and Hughton as assistant. To me this would give stability and continuity to the players, the lack of which I believe was a big factor in their under performance last year. It would also be a platform I think the fans would give time to turn things around. Something we are collectively crap at.
Can we all agree on one thing – either of them or a combination of both is better than JFK coming back!
157 Rangerman // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:57 PM
21st of January they were released.
158 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Fostino
You need to remember that Alan’s hands are not tied here. He isn’t appointed manager of newly relegated Newcastle United, so what does he do? Go back and sit on his comfy sofa rather than work his way up and prove himself like any other manager. Is he too good to go lower than the Championship? Is he too good to earn a low wage as manager until he proves himself? We are no willy nilly club and he needs to earn the right to be the manager hotseat. Otherwise he can come in as no.2 and wait to be promoted by default, much like Hughton. Shearer earned the loyalty and adoration of the fans as a player, he now has to earn it as a manager as well. He is not entitled to an easy ride.
159 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Mr Books
yes we can
JFK and o leary are both working with The Sun and they can stay there for eternity for all i care!!
160 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Fostino
I take your point about fans calling for Hughton’s head if he starts messing up, but that is just a risk that needs to be taken. You can’t just demote him now to save him from the fans. As i said earlier, aprecedent needs to be set. Top management (whoever they may be in a couple months time) need to have enough backbone to stick with their man (whether they stick with Hughton or appoint their own manager) regardless of what the fans say…Well, unless the manager really is p**s poor lol
161 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM
Jinky-
I agree m8. I think Shearer’s potential as a top flight manager is great, to be sure. I have this sneakin’ suspicion though, that Chris Hughton just might be the man of the season for us. There’s this old adage about truly great people being the ones who dont’ seek greatness, it just finds them inevitably. I think this may be the case with CH. Who knows, maybe this is his destiny? He’s obviously finding a rhythm.
162 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:07 PM
dragonera
shearer is no fool, why would take on another job when he knows that he is the fans choice and probably most of the consortiums interested in buying the club first choice to become the manager, this is the job shearer desperately wants!!
when i said loyalty works both ways i meant shearer has given his all to the club, should we really disreguard him now after 8 game where he was given a near impossible job to save us from relegation..it wouldnt be fair to him!
163 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Mr Books
“I think that of the two Shearer is the more determined and more ambitious.”
Shearer’s actions seem to demonstrate a lack of ambition in my opinion.
164 Nick 69 // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:09 PM
at the end of the day, sticking with CH would only be delayin the inevitable. we can either stick with him and then once we get promoted he will no doubt get the sack in the first half of next season. Or we could give shearer the job now and keep CH as a coach, which he is good at, rather than end up losing him altogether when he is sacked as manager!
165 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM
“Fostino
I take your point about fans calling for Hughton’s head if he starts messing up,”
Why Dragonera? If the club wants success, someone’s going to have to kill this half-witted ‘ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Geordie!’ mentality at some stage.
166 Macas35 // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM
It’s amazing to see the comments about Hughton now , when last season nobody had a good word to say about him, with a few exceptions. Like Shearer he was working with a squad that wasn’t up to Premiership standard last season. This time around it’s obvious our first team will be better than the majority of other teams in the league, so it’s no surprise we have been winning as we haven’t suffered too many injuries. But if we lose players through injury and suspension and have a bad run the majority of the fickle knee jerk reaction fans will then be claiming that Chris isn’t up to the job. Regardless of what has been said here he first claimed that he hoped that a new manager would come in as soon as possible, and it’s only the last few weeks when he has changed his tune and seems content to take on the role now he’s seen the drop in standard in this division. I like Hughton and stuck up for him last time around when he was getting crucified left right and centre, but I’m not convinced he is the long term solution for the job. To me he’s too nice, which is fine when you’re doing well, but that’s not always going to be the case. The fact that he hasn’t mentioned we are short of a winger or two also amazes me. I’d love him to stay as coach, but to keep him as manager beyond this season would be a mistake in my opinion.
167 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Fostino
“shearer is no fool, why would take on another job when he knows that he is the fans choice and probably most of the consortiums interested in buying the club first choice to become the manager, this is the job shearer desperately wants!!”
…He should take another job to get experience and improve as a manager so that when he is offered the Toon job he could accept it knowing he will be able to perform to his best. However, he has shown no desire to do this, which leads me to believe his main focus is the exact same as the modern day player…Money.
Also, i believe he is the consortium’s choice as whoever takes over will want to earn some quick brownie points with the fans. A bad decision in the long run imo.
168 DJG // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM
The only stability this club has right now is its fans and Chris Hughton. Why strip him of his powers when he is doing so well, knows the squad inside out, has the backing and respect of the senior players AND is picking WINNING sides?
To protect him from the fans? You could say that of ANYBODY. He has my support in this league. The prem is a different thing.
169 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM
maybe our biggest problems were that shearer gave up winning to be at Newcastle, if i let my heart rule my head i would say chris but i have been at this point so many times and it always end the same way, and we have wasted 100’s of millions on paying for failure. and i honestly believe that shearer is the only one we could get that would get the 5 years to stabilize the club. we are never going to get a top quality manager until we are a stable club. that’s how simple our choice’s are. man city have spent almost 200 million & probability is they will win nowt this year, even this takes time. so with nowt we have no chance unless we can pull a rabbit out of a hat
170 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:14 PM
workyticket
what do do suggest, keep the current regieme who are doing a great job of slowly destroying this club, selling every player we have, afterall they are great at ignoring us fans
or if a new regieme comes in, that they should ignore the fans like ashley and llambias and were back to square one
171 Mr Books // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Rangerman,
just out of interest, where exactly in the accounts do you see the structure of payments for players.
I can see the general cash flows, but they are not detailed enough to see which players they relate to.
They do show that we paid out 27.4 Million while only bringing in 9 Million
In note 1 there is the statement of how the asset value of the players registrations is treated. There is also the detail of how the signing on fees are treated, but I haven’t been able to see anything which details a policy regarding structure of payments for transfers.
172 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Workyticket
What i mean is, i take the point that the fans will indeed behave this way if Hughton starts dropping points.
173 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:17 PM
nick 69 post 163
spot on
this is what ive being saying, i agree with this post 100%!!
174 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Fostino @153
That’s absolutely the major point in Shearer’s favor. It certainly is NOT fair to judge him on the last 8 games of the season last year. And truthfully, he did his job. If not for a HORRIBLY lucky shot by Gareth Barry that deflected off the foot of Damien Duff, he would’ve kept us up (just barely, mind).
However-
I personally feel like we should let Hughton do his thing. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” I support Shearer having the manager job at Newcastle, but not yet. I feel like Hughton can do this job well, and all things considered, the players should be the ones to make that call. If many of them ARE in fact calling for CH to get the job on a permanent basis, then I support the players. I think any true Geordie would do the same. Haha, and I’m not even a true Geordie
175 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Nick 69
I say stick with Hughton and risk him getting sacked next season. I say this as appointing Shearer could result in worse, morale could be effected by the instability and we may not even achieve promotion.
176 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:23 PM
dragonera
i dont think it would be shearers nature or fair to manage some team in the lower leagues knowing that you might leave them in a month or 2 time when newcastle come knocking
when a manager takes on a team, i would be hoping he would intend to stay there to achieve his goals just like he would hope that the chairman and fans would give him enough time to reach them………….this would be the case for newcastle and shearer!!
177 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:25 PM
My view, as i said earlier is judge CH after xmas, he has earned that right at least. He hasn’t had enough games to be judged yet, either that he’s going to be good or bad.
178 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:27 PM
o hurley
but it would only be a matter of time before us fans would be calling for shearer when things might go wrong, this shearer chapter in newcastle simply isnt finished yet, why delay the inevitable
179 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Fostino
I’m not talking a couple of months, mate. I’m talking a couple of years.
180 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM
anyway guys at the end of the day it all depends on who the owners are:
with ashley & llambias in charge, hughton will remain coach…they could will be around till xmas….thankfully at least we wont have jfk ever back in charge
new regieme will want their own man in then, which is only fair enough
it is no coincidence however that most consortiums interested in buying the club want shearer as manager!!
181 Bigbadbob // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM
The same ones calling for Hughton to be manager were calling for his head last season, hypocrites!
You also have no balls, got 13 points on the board and we have cracked it?
Think again, you want a manager who has been walked all over by the board and stood by as his squad has been decimated?
Exactly what Ashley wants, take what your given and shut the f*** up, its my way or the highway.
In case some of you have forgotten, Alan is a fan first and foremost, he wants what is best for us and for the club not for himself, Hughton is doing ok but when its muck and bullets time we need a stronger leader and step forward Shearer to galvanize the whole club.
182 simon376 // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Just been reading all the posts and heres my point of view for what its worth
Managers do attract players. Look at the team that got promotion and the players who came in. One example is Rob Lee. Keegan was advised by a player to buy him, but looked like he was on his way to Boro, Keegan talked to him and using his ‘words of wisdom’ got him to sign for us. Many other players before and after that signed for Keegan, they loved playing for him. Ok we want players to want to play for the team, but lets face it, they only want money now. Look where those players took us, 3rd under Keegan then same group to 2nd.
Shearer could do the same sort of job as Keegan. He’s got all the coaching badges now (for whatever they are worth) bar maybe the final one, he can do the day to day and have a top coach (CH perhaps?) doing the coaching work. Bit like when we were doing so well under Keegan with Faz as his coach.
As for Houghton, he is doing a great job right now and no mater what happens, must be kept on. Don’t know why so many people are having a go at Roeder, I always thought he did ok. Would love to have him back for some role at the club now. He didn’t do so bad as our manager really. Yes could have been better, but let me ask everybody, if you had the choice last season, who would you rather have had Roeder or JK, I would have gone for Roeder every time.
As for Houghton and the job. Don’t know where I would find qoutes, but I seem to remember he has said all the time here, he doesnt want the job, not a manager, a coach, until a couple of weeks ago where he said he would give i a go if offered.
I still think him and Sherarer, with Carver in the set up would be good. Speed as a player coach would be a good move too.
And once again, don’t have the qoutes, bu I did think it was said at the start of the year that all transfers would be paid up front from now on. Great idea if you have boat loads of cash, but if not, the cash flow is knackered if other clubs do the normal and pay over the length of a players contract. I haven’t seen any accounts since Ashley took over, just hear the reports of us running at a loss every season, so I can’t understand why he does it this way, unless of course as said earlier, makes the club easier to sell. Speaking of the accounts, never saw a loss uner the last ownership. I know they took loads of cash out for themselves, but thats the way it works when a PLC and dividends are there. I’m also not a Shepard fan really, but teh stick he has got re Sir Bob etc, remember he was on a board and had to go with the majority. Even as Chairman he can’t get his own way everytime.
Anyway, thats my view of things for what they are worth.
183 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Fostino-
I’ve been struggling with that myself, man. I mean, I think I’d be happy with a compromise- bring Shearer in but keep CH as the new number 2.
Yes, the “Prisoner” reference was intentional.
184 Bigbadbob // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:35 PM
Gutted Rodzilla has been bannned, hilarious poster with great football craic and also Stuart79 good on you mate for tackling Rangerman and his know all attitude.
185 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:38 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:32 PM
“it is no coincidence however that most consortiums interested in buying the club want shearer as manager!!”
Fostino, nearly all of those were publicity seekers and WUMS who had no intention of buying the club. They only said that because it would would get the most attention.
Everyone knows how gullible and predictable Geordies are, and which buttons to press.
186 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:40 PM
BigBadBob-
I’m not being hypocritical about the CH situation at all, m8. I always supported CH even when I didn’t think he was the man to keep us in the EPL. I think his time is now, and I think he is starting to understand that. He’s galvanized a squad of ok players and BAIRNS and has them playing well. He deserves credit for that.
187 Partizan // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:41 PM
O’Hurley…..It was Curtis Davies’s shot that got deflected
Dragonera….Long time no see mate,how’s everything?
Just one question for you
-Which manager would have saved us in our last 8 games taking under the consideration the fact that almost every single player who had hit the rock bottom.No manager would dare that challenge…..Shearer did.
188 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM
Worky-
Good point, m8. I think all these consortiums sayin’ they’ll install Shearer are just sayin’ that to appease the fans. BUT- I think fans might be turning their attention more to Hughton who’s given a rollicking good start to the season. Why shake things up now, when it seems to be working. Give him half the season and we’ll see what he’s made of. I believe that people change, and I believe that CH is finding himself in this role, and good things will continue to come if he’s given the opportunity.
189 woodsee // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:44 PM
As time goes on,i feel more and more fans dont want Shearer as manager,nor Mr Punch as hes number 2.
Personally,i never wanted him anyway,and although he was a fantastic player for us,i often thought he had to much say about things.
I also dont agree that he could get great players to join us,at the end of the day he is an unknown quantity as a manager and a lot of players will see that as too much of a risk.
Finally,outside of the North East,Shearer isnt the God like figure a lot of us lot like to think he is.The Neil Lennon incident isnt forgotten by a lot of people.I know this to be true having lived down South in the past
190 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Partizan-
It was DEFINITELY Gareth Barry, m8. Look it up.
191 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:46 PM
bigbadbob post180
very good points made here, finally a few people to back me up on the shearer debate
this is the reason ashley didnt appoint shearer because he knew shearer wouldnt stand for him selling our squad
having said that and considering the circumstances, hughton has done a great job as a coach, not a manager, as he is a ‘yes man’ to ashley!!
192 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:47 PM
Partizan-
Also- Shearer was offered a king’s ransom by Ashley. You’d have to a FOOL not to take that offer. I’m sure that it being Newcastle made his decision easier, but don’t chalk it all up to Geordie pride, m8. Finances played a HUGE role. 1.5mil just for takin’ the job, and another 1.5mil if we stayed up.
193 RyanToon // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Why has Rodzilla been banned?
194 Bigbadbob // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Fostino – you cant get away from the fact the majority of fans want Shearer as manager, thats why they chant his name at the match, its a bond which will never be broken.
195 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:52 PM
RT-
If you find out, lemme know!! I miss Rod already
196 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Hadj
How are you doing, mate. Where have ou been then?
Although Shearer’s decision was made easier by the large sums of cash on offer, it still took a degree of courage to take the job. Although not as much you would think. I’m sure Shearer knew that he would be considered a hero if he saves us, and not blamed if we went down.
Shall we all move on to the next thread? Getting a bit old in here
197 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:54 PM
So it’s true then. People really do come on here under 6 or 7 alias’. Ridiculous.
198 batty // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Fostino if you look at dragons posts he dusent lik carrol taylor or shearer any 1 who is a geordie
199 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM
The very last thing that the team needs right now is yet another change of manager/coach!..
…When is this ’stability’ ever gonna start if we keep choppin’ & changin’?..
…For all we know Shearer could be amazin’ or a flop…Don’t try n’ fix what ain’t broke!..
…& by that i mean, none of this “Oh, Hughton’s lost 2 games, let’s get shot”, or some such crap!..
…Where’s it gonna end?..
…& how long does Shearer get if it ain’t workin’?..
200 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM
bigbadbod
aye and i was tryin to explain loyalty to a few of the bloggers here who think he hasnt earned the right to manage newcastle
a man who loves the club, the fans, and gave everything to us and after 8 games and a relegation we are supposed to disreguard him now……where’s the loyalty!! he hasnt being given a fair chance to manage us and until he does, it is only delaying the ineviatble…shearer is the stability us fans need
201 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM
Dragonera
I’m always just OHurley on here, m8:) No other aliases for me (although when I started I blogged under the name “Toonessee” because I’m from Tennessee lol)
202 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:00 PM
P.S…Get Rodzilla back on the blog!..
…Whatever they’ve done, i doubt it’s as bad as some of the shit posted on here on a hourly basis!..
…Ho’way Ed, sort it out!..
203 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Skunk
How is it going, mate. What was your take on our young striker on monday then?
204 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM
punk skunk
aye, from my experience rodzilla has been a good blogger
205 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Fostino
“this is the reason ashley didnt appoint shearer because he knew shearer wouldnt stand for him selling our squad”
So Shearer would stand for it – where was the money going to come from then? It had to come from somewhere – Are you saying Shearer priced himself out of the job?
206 OHurley // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Hey there’s a couple new threads… let’s go post there.
207 Tino 11 // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Stay here OHurley, this thread has been good with some good points to go back to.
208 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:09 PM
* wouldnt stand for it
209 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 5:57 PM
“aye and i was tryin to explain loyalty to a few of the bloggers here who think he hasnt earned the right to manage newcastle”
So you are saying that all people who don’t think Alan Shearer should be installed as manager don’t know the meaning of loyalty? That’s a bit of a pathetic insinuation, Fostino. Quite a few of us happen to think that loyalty to the club is more important than loyalty to Alan Shearer and his crooked assistant.
210 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
stardust
shearer made a list of players he wanted to keep and im pretty sure if he was in charge bassong and beye would still be here, he obviously knew alot of deadwood had to go and high earners, but he wouldnt have stood for cashing in on essential low earners like bassong
211 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Dragonera,
hi mate, Ranger kicked ass didn’t he?..
…So that’s how you’re supposed to hold the play up, huh?..(carroll/Ameobi)…Can’t wait to see the lad play more regularly!..
…Glad we didn’t put him in the shop window too early too!..
…Lookin’ forward to seein’ him link up with Lovenkrands!..
…What d’you reckon mate?..
…Fostino, Rodz is cool, d’y'know why he’s been hoofed?..
212 Partizan // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Dragonera….Been busy mate,,,done with Carnival Cruise Lines after 7 years of hard work as a Headwaiter and got a great job as a commercial manager here in my hometown Skopje.
Been on the blog from time to time but not as much as before……what happened with Tom Toon?
He’s been gone for months.
213 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:17 PM
workyticket
yes and in my opinion andin the best interests of newcastle, shearer is the best option, so he deserves our loyalty, he had the best interests of this club at heart
the best interests of ashley was not to have shearer in charge this summer, so should we remain loyal to ashley and keep his ‘yes man’ hughton in charge??
214 Dragonera // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:18 PM
Hadj
Commercial manager. Bloody impressive, mate. Well done.
I don’t know about Tom Toon, someone raised the question a few days ago but to be honest i have only been back on here for a week or so.
Skunk
Agreed. He and Lovenkrands will be a good partnership. Both are relatively tall, strong and pacey. Although i must admit i would rather Ranger played from the bench and we started with a 4-5-1 formation with Lovenkrands up front on his own.
215 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:21 PM
punk skunk
i have no idea, apparently a few bloggers complained about some of his comments last night which i havent read, seems a harsh from my experience with him.
i seen him post this on another NUFC blog this morning, i think it was workytickets blog?
216 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:23 PM
What, with Nolan behind, in the hole?..
…Could be right there, it’s important not to expect too much too soon from the young’uns!..
…Maybe, CH will interchange the 4 strikers, 2 games start, 2 games sub?..
217 Partizan // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:24 PM
And just for the record guys…..Vuckic can play as a striker,and somehow deep inside me i feel that that will be his primary position in the future.
Dragonera…Thanks mate,,its a job with too much pressure,but hey,i’m a NUFC fan so…
218 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Fostino,
yea, i was busy last nite, so didn’t get on, so i have no clue either…& to be honest, i can’t be arsed to gan back ow’er like!..
…But, suffice to say, Rodz is a good lad, & defo adds somethin’ to the blog!..
219 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:27 PM
Fostino
To be fair there is only 1 person to blame for Alan Shearer not being manager – That person is Alan Shearer.
He was sat across the table from Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias in pole position, there were a million reasons for them to appoint him.
Alan had his chance to work with them and find a way forward that all could work with – he didnt.
He had his chance in my opinion and he blew it.
Any statements of “its my way or I am on the highway” saw Alan standing with his thumb out on the A1 waiting for a new lift to come into town – do you think he would be so choosey who he gets a lift from next time? No – he will accept the fact he is getting one, jump in and do his best – that lesson may be a good one for him – maybe a little corner knocked of his ego.
220 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM
stardust
shearer obviously didnt want to be ashleys ‘yes man’
ashley could have stayed, appointed shearer to take us back up but he put the club up for sale and didnt think twice about the fans or shearer and his list of targets or players he wanted kept, the whole things reeks!
221 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Fostino
Ashley is constrained by the reality of paying for what AS wanted. He has paid a great deal so far – it was for AS to work to Ashleys parameters, not for Ashley to put his hand blindly into his pocket and cater for Shearers whims.
Its another day and if AS gets appointed off a new owner i will take the positives, until that day comes Chris Houghton has my full support – a rock of a man in the time of trouble – we owe him.
222 Bigbadbob // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Stardust – you are one contrary bugger, will you stop making excuses for poor mike, it was his poor decisions that lost him money and he said his best decision ever was appointing Shearer so why say otherwise?
223 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM
But, you have to work with what’s there & if you’re not prepared to, then you don’t REALLY want the job!?!..
…Most of us would do almost anythin’ just to work at SJP, let alone play, manage, coach etc…
…Sometimes…You can get EVERYTHIN’ you want out of a job…If Shearer’s love was ‘unconditional’…He’d probably be manager now!..& if he had ALL the required knowledge, skills, experience, he may have got closer to what he wanted…But he ain’t time served & everyone knows it & it’s a lot to ask of anyone to trust he’ll do a proper job, as he’s an unknow quantity…
…& he is the man that was ‘in charge’ when we went down!..
224 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM
*can’t get EVERYTHIN’
225 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM
stardust
aye and i agree to your last paragraph
226 Fostino // Sep 2, 2009 at 6:57 PM
stardust
aye and i agree to your last paragraph, but come xmas and if ashley is still in charge, hughton should not continue to be his ‘yes man’
227 Stardust // Sep 2, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Yeah Punk – that was always why I couldnt understand KKs walking – it wasnt like he had a terrible job was it?
Agree re Shearer too – nice to see people standing up to the messiahs – this club has to be ran for its own benefit – not just individuals – whoever they are.
228 dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM
people on here delude themselves. no manager will be able to do the job until shearer fails its that simple.
229 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:03 PM
dave 1961 // Sep 2, 2009 at 7:44 PM
“people on here delude themselves. no manager will be able to do the job until shearer fails its that simple.”
Dave, if that were true, it would mean that the club is a complete basket case that deserves to fail for the abject stupidity of it’s supporters.
230 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM
Gotta agree re: kk…
…I’ve had my fill of messiahs, if someone comes in & PROVES to be a messiah, all well & good…
…But if someone thinks they’re one before doin’ anythin’, well, that’s not how it works!..
…But, tbh, i’m sick to death of pundits & the like perpetuatin’ the ‘messiah’ crap about this club!..
…Can’t we just get on with the job of rebuildin’ without all the pressure of tryin’ to be all things to all fans…We’re top of the league for now, on merit, against the odds, whilst supposedly still in turmoil, with a interim manager…& dare i say it, with some strange kind of stability…
…Can’t we just accept & enjoy that for a little while, at least!..
…Ho’way!..
231 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM
5 matches into the fizzy pop and suddenly we hve a world class manager and world class players.. yeah right.
Were all of you advocating for CH to be manager sleeping during the past whole year??
232 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:14 PM
No we’re not!..
…But what we are sayin’ is: Sometimes you have to stick with what you got!..
…There is absolutely NO POINT WHATSOEVER in changin’ managers again & again…It must stop, otherwise we’re goin’ down the same path over & over & never learnin’ a lesson!..
…That’s what you think Thomas, & you’re welcome to think whatever you want…But i’m pretty sure no one here thinks: Oh!..We’re sorted!..
…That’s just too simplistic!..
233 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Stick with wht u’ve got… Dint we do tht to a certain Mr. Roeder?? wht happened then…
Wht im asking is wht has CH done really to be a full time manager??
Its not as if we’re playing some really good attacking football is it..
Some ppl are giving way too much credit to the man for our form this season.. when the truth is tht the championship is really so very very poor…
234 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM
It could be down to the players really…
To prove tht they aren’t tht bad enough to be playing in this crap division..
Most of them are really playing for their careers here..
235 punk skunk... // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Thomas,
i’m not actually sayin’ CH should MADE manager, i just don’t think we should appoint one yet, while thew club ain’t sold etc…
236 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:41 PM
I get wht ur saying punk skunk… and neither do i.
But eventually when this nightmare is over why not give it to the man who’s put his hand up, to complete wht he’d started…
Im not saying he’s going to succeed but the man’s putting his reputation on the line so why not if he wants it tht badly?
I dont get ppl slagging the guy off for the 8 games he performed poorly in… To u all get me the 1st 8 game stats of the greatest managers in the game..
237 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Lets face it he is the last of the ‘messiahs’ in the queue right?? If he fails then we move on…
238 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 8:22 PM
“Wht im asking is wht has CH done really to be a full time manager??”
Quite a bit more than Alan Shearer, Thomas.
Two years as Martin Jol’s assistant at Spurs, a succesful spell as a caretaker there when results didn’t dip, over ten years of coaching experience etc etc and yet you advocate Shearer, seemingly oblivious to the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of your argument.
If Hughton hasn’t done anything to deserve being a full time manager, then Shearer certainly hasn’t I’m afraid.
239 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I know u and ur kind workyticket.. the anti-shearer brigand… U really don’t hve anything positive about to say abt the man do ya??
I’m here just like u for a debate so don’t just blatantly ridicule me without any arguments.. I’ve stated my views and points in my above posts if u care to go through them..
Now about CH’s credentials.. why should a 50 or so yr old , who’s mainly been an assistant throughout his coaching career and ’successfull’ caretaking stints as you said, be suddenly made a full time manager in arguably the most demanding managerial job in the world right now? Has he just reached his peak in coaching terms? And how would u describe his previous ‘2′ caretaking stints in the past yr?? Highly successful…? I think not…
Now coming to shearer… I never said he’s the only man for the job.. But he’s the only creditable 1 who;s put his hands up for it.. Its like some of u really don’t want him succeed..
240 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM
*to succeed…
241 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:00 PM
A top manager should have a personality or an aura about himself, be it good or bad… I cant see tht in CH tbh just like roeder b4 him…
Im not having a go at CH here.. He deserves praise for sticking with us through horrible times but he aint doing it for free is he??
What honestly hve u lot seen this season to vouch for him to be the manager? Hve we dominated any of the games so far? Hve we played really attractive football? Has the man really made any brilliant tactical decisions to alter the state of a game?
Ok forget this season wht abt last season when he had better quality players to choose frm? wht happened then??
Imo shearer has better potential to succeed than CH long term..
242 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:22 PM
“Ok forget this season wht abt last season when he had better quality players to choose frm? wht happened then??”
Do you mean Shearer or Hughton, Thomas? Both had a lousy record, but it wasn’t necessarily their fault. You can’t make five managerial changes in a season and expect to survive in the Premier League.
243 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM
I was talking about CH there but as u said none of them were at fault so there’s only the fat man to blame then..
So wht do u find wrong with shearer again?? Its not on the basis of last season’s results as u said..
And don’t u want u argue for CH?? U haven’t answered any of my other questions btw..
244 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:44 PM
Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 9:32 PM
“I know u and ur kind workyticket.. the anti-shearer brigand… U really don’t hve anything positive about to say abt the man do ya??”
Yes, he was an excellent Centre Forward for many years, but like Bobby Charlton, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he would make a great manager.
“And how would u describe his previous ‘2? caretaking stints in the past yr?? Highly successful…? I think not…”
You seem to be oblivious to the fact that Shearer was just as bad, which makes your argument sound nonsensical and completely biased. However unlike Shearer, Hughton was a pretty successful caretaker manager at Tottenham.
245 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:46 PM
Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM
“U haven’t answered any of my other questions btw..”
Yes I have.
246 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:47 PM
You just don’t like the answers, so you’re ignoring them.
247 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:51 PM
‘Hughton was a pretty successful caretaker manager at Tottenham.’
Lol thats all u got to say for him.. And thts why u want him as our permanent manager??
248 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:53 PM
What honestly hve u lot seen this season to vouch for CH to be the manager? Hve we dominated any of the games so far? Hve we played really attractive football? Has the man really made any brilliant tactical decisions to alter the state of a game?
Wht abt these workyticket??
249 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:58 PM
And let me make it clear tht shearer is not my 1 and only choice for manager right now.. All i said was tht he’s the best possible candidate and he deserves his chance but u somehow don’t want to give him tht..
250 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:41 PM
“So wht do u find wrong with shearer again??”
He has no experience Thomas. If he wants to be a manager of a large club, let him prove himself by working his way up the ranks, just like Hughton did.
251 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Seems to me ur the ignorant 1 workyticket
252 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:01 PM
‘prove himself by working his way up the ranks, just like Hughton did.’
Once again what exactly did CH prove??
253 workyticket // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:01 PM
“Once again what exactly did CH prove??”
Ask a Tottenham fan, Thomas. I’m bored with you now, you just keep repeating yourself.
254 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:10 PM
‘If he wants to be a manager of a large club, let him prove himself by working his way up the ranks’
Isn’t the fizzy pop low enough for u? Is it too big a league for him to succeed?
If the answer to the 2nd question is yes, then im afraid we’l have to stop this right nw coz u obviously haven’t seen the pathetic standards of this div…
255 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM
‘I’m bored with you now, you just keep repeating yourself.’
Really mature for a guy who’s running a blog…
256 Thomas // Sep 2, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Bottom line u want CH as manager coz he was a really successful caretaker manager??
Can’t believe i wasted my time for this….
257 tino_asprilla // Sep 3, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Dragonera,
You’re massively deluded if you think I’m Rodzilla. You grow up son. Haven’t you got bigger things to worry about? You obviously have a problem with Rodzilla. You’re back to school soon, hopefully it’ll calm down a bit on here.
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