Ashley Sale To Barry Moat Enhanced?


There’s a mini-update today on the potential Newcastle sale to Barry Moat in the Journal, and the little bit of new news they report could be taken as positive.

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Mike Ashley and Barry Moat

While the local paper goes through the same old stuff about the size of the overdraft, and the fact that Shearer could still be installed as the new Manager even while Ashley is still at the club, there are some new (positive?) points which we’ll try to pinpoint specifically.

  • The discussions between Moat and Ashley have continued this week and there are face to face meetings with the two men taking place, and no sign of animosity between the two men, who seem to get on quite well
  • Moat’s business plan to Barclays for Newcastle was based on home gates averaging 25,000 and they are currently averaging 40,000 and with increased success will only get bigger. It also appears that the away gates will be bigger than envisaged, as most grounds will be sell-outs for the visit of Newcastle.
  • Gates much higher than 25,000 will make Newcastle much better off on a cash flow basis this year than was first planned, and it hardly hurts Moat’s case that Barclay’s should consider the club a special case in the Championship –  because of its tremendous supporter base -in fact it has greatly enhanced Moat’s ability to get the large overdraft he needs and wants from Barclays
  • Because of the good relationships between Moat and Ashley and if and when things progress to a certain point, Ashley may agree to make some management changes even before the sale is complete
  • This could include Alan Shearer coming in as manager, and Shearer has not hurt his chances of this by keeping a diplomatic silence (unlike certain web-sites), through all the mess going on at the club in the summer
  • Before the sale is complete Moat may be offered a place on the board, as an interim way of getting into the running of the club, and it’s at that time that Shearer could be announced as manager, but we would have to hope that Chris and Colin will be kept on board as coaches for at least a couple of reasons:
    • They’ve done the hard job of getting the players together and started to win consistently
    • They should stay on at the very least for continuity at the club and with the players – which was sadly missing last season

That’s the way it stands at the moment so if these negotiations continue amicably, that would certainly help the club stabilize at the board room level, as the lads continue their great form and courage in the league.

But we have to continue that form on the field, and starting on Sunday we have a challenging 7 games in 20 days, before the international break after our home game with Bristol City on October 3rd.

But it’s one game at a time, and we just have to secure 3 points in what looks to be a tough game at Cardiff this Sunda,y in front of another sold out crowd.

We must keep the momentum going.

Comments welcome.



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47 comments so far

  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #1

    What other web-sites?

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  • Tal_nufc4eva

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #2

    would prefer moat and ashley on the board than just moat runnin it coz it luks like if it happens then mike wil take a back seat and giv moat money n soo on. if it wuz just moat on board we would struggle because he wouldnt cum u with the funds unlike ashley. is dere eny news on a new player cumin in the day???? we need a striker in before sunday well today would be good so he can play against cardiff. and maybe we need sum 1 like smith or barton to try and go in for a tackle wit chopra and make sure he doesnt cum out, if ya no wot a meen

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  • Tal_nufc4eva

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #3

    . . . coz like evree former toon player he causes problems

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  • Geordie-Gerrard7

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #4

    cant wait for sunday, im going out in swansea the night before as i consider it a better place on the piss up wine street.

    on the takeover, i hope ashley can stay in the background, with moat fronting the bid, wouldnt that be the best solution instead of side-stepping to moat with no money?

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  • Kevin Nichol

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #5

    To be honest ED i think your trying to put a positive spin on a really poor article from the journal this morning! There is nothing new in it at all!

    There are no direct quotes.

    It is all hearsay; no factual base at all! nothing but opinion.

    It was reported by the times days ago about the potential face to face meetings between Moat and Ashley! With nothing new they have merely candy coated the story with fantasy which the fans want to hear!

    The standard of repoting from both the journal and the chronicle over the past couple of months have been very poor indeed!

    I can’t remember a decent article in either paper with any element of real journalism at all for weeks!

    Go on the jounral website and just have alook at a few of the comments about the story!

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  • spiderpig

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #6

    how do we know moat is any better than ashley.because he is a geordie and he wants shearer as manager.i reckon ashley has a lot more money than moat and i reckon hughton deserves his chance before shearer.we need a decent footballing chairman or md.its lambias who could have quelled two thirds of the animosity just by being truthful and communicating better.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #7

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  • Dragonera

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #8

    I agree that communication has not been the best from our board…but then again, how many boards can you name that communicate with their fans?…I can’t think of hardly any.

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  • spiderpig

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #9

    geordies seem to demand communication.far more passionate than most fans.but we got used to hearing everything from blabber mouth shepherd.he used to spout shite to the press in his sleep.now we get nowt.somewhere in between the two would be acceptable.maybe an official update from lambias once a week would do.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #10

    Irrespective of Moat being a geordie he ( in my opinion) will not push us forward with the type of investment needed.

    I would take CH as Manager over Dowie and Shearer every day of the week.

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  • broon ale

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #11

    5 Kevin Nichol- i agree.. i email lee ryder of the comical all the time.. he emailed back with this snotty reply..
    “I wouldn’t mind if people came up and said it face to face but that has yet to happen in 10 years and the reason it won’t is because most of the comments are sent by people from their bedrooms!
    They don’t seem to exist in the real world”

    Lee.Ryder@ncjmedia.co.uk>

    30/07/2009 12:40

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  • spiderpig

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #12

    cheaper option aswell

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #13

    Dragonera with the kind of turmoil we have been put through I would expect any chairman with a degree of respect for paying fans to communicate more than these current Mute Muppets have.

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  • Dragonera

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #14

    Spiderpig

    Fair enough.

    Personally, i would rather we just had a normal board, with an owner that stayed in the office and not in the stands, wearing a suit and not the home kit.

    I just feel that so much of this could have been avoided if MA didn’t put on the pretentious, “Im just one of you” act.

    Again, in regards to commmunication. MA and Mort set themselves a precedent, struggled to maintain it, and now have completely abandoned it. Poor decision making on MA’s part.

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  • Dragonera

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #15

    Sir Jason

    Many teams have been put through turmoil. Some worse than what Toon fans have experienced. We need to let go of this ntion that, “we are superior/special fans”. As that is why the media and other fans choose to ridicule us and call us deluded etc.

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  • dave 1961

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #16

    i have repeatedly went on & on about the problems over shearer, any one doing the job will hit a point when results will fall off and the first opportunity, it will be back to shearer, the best we can hope for is shearer, with the current coaching setup intact. because if Chris gets the job, as soon as he has a bad spell its back to shearer & the sack for Chris, & all the upheaval that entails. its as simple that shearer must fail to move forward. and this is a stone cold certainty to happen.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #17

    Nearly all the decisions made at the club have lacked any vision or ambition since Mike’s arrival.

    In the time he has been here we have slumped to the fizzys,have a squad that is completely decimated and find ourselves scraping the barrel for loan signings most of which I have never heard of.

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  • dave 1961

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #18

    Mike Ashley bought Newcastle not to make money, but to go to games and have a drink and a chat as just one of the lads an escape from his business life. his intentions were good no matter what you now think of him.

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  • lesh

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #19

    Sorry, it must be me but I can’t understand why bigger away gates’d help the club’s revenue.

    And, whoever’s in control, he/ they must recognise the benefits of continuity in ‘management’ and coaching.

    I’d suggest that the introduction of another/ a different pair of hands such as Dowie on the coaching side would set us back a great deal, undermine Hughton and Calderwood and as a result, unsettle the squad.

    If it aint broke, don’t fix it!

    It also appears that the away gates will be bigger than envisaged, as most grounds will be sell-outs for the visit of Newcastle.

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  • Bigbadbob

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #20

    Geordie Gerrard and others – Are you aware that Ashley has said he wouldnt put another penny into Newcastle United, and if so, why do you hope he stays on in the background if thats the case?

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  • Geordie-Gerrard7

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #21

    he has also said alot of other things bob

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  • NUFC-0809-Oh Dear

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #22

    BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH……….

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  • Bigbadbob

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #23

    GG7- yes, like he was taking us into Europe, Shearer was his best appointment etc and other lies, the only one he has backed up is that he has stopped funding the club unlike the majority of other billionaire owners, so again, why would you want him to remain at the club?

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  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #24

    Tal_nufc4eva IDIOT

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  • Rangerman

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #25

    Sorry, it must be me but I can’t understand why bigger away gates’d help the club’s revenue.

    ….

    It makes no difference at all as we don’t get money from it.

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  • Stardust

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #26

    Dragonera

    “I just feel that so much of this could have been avoided if MA didn’t put on the pretentious, “Im just one of you” act.”

    But what if he was one of us – a football fan who tried to fulfil a lifelong ambition? I find that comment somewhat bemusing because his actions suggested to me he was one of us – trying sometimes succeeding and sometimes failing to be one of us.

    Do you know for the first year when all the season tickets were sold, that every game the away fans didnt take their allocations of tickets he gave them away around the local police stations, firestations and hospitals?

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  • lesh

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #27

    That’s the point Rangerman @25, the only benefit of sell-outs at away ground I can see is that, assuming of course good away results, NUFC’d be regarded as attractive television and thus attract additional TV payments.

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  • lesh

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #28

    Oh Stardust, have you a line to the Pope to fast-track MA’s beatification. Just imagine…. St Michael…….. er, mmm

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  • premier

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #29

    The Saga continues what shall we call it when it is made into a film?
    Delusion Street?

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  • Stardust

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #30

    Lesh – but i read somewhere that the away TV deal revenue is only 10k for the away team? Sounds ludicrous to me but i have read it.

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  • Stardust

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #31

    I actually wouldnt be surprised if the final deal provided Ashley with a minority shareholding – 49% or whatever – the 51% share purchase and the operational funds coming from Moat in exchange for Ashley writing off the 100m debt over time on a like for like or ratio’d investment or similar by Moat – for example if Moat raises finance for the purchase of players and the servicing of the overdraft.

    Barclays would have needed to be involved here as there will be technical work on Ashleys diminishing first charge (if he retained the right) and the transference of the overdraft to Morts responsibility -(In terms of how the serviceability of the OD is underwritten eg future revenue backed by a security of sorts (which ironically may have to be Ashley who would in effect buy back Moats shares at a discounted rate equivalent to the paper loss Ashley would make if Mort failed) , Ashley (in terms of diminishing debt to the club) and Mort.

    It would enable Ashley to recoup half the 100m, and sit in the background as the man who would then be seen to run the club would be Moat and Ashley to enjoy the part of owning a club he wanted to.

    Just an idea – its not based on fact – but a possible outcome all the same.

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  • Rangerman

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #32

    That’s the point Rangerman @25, the only benefit of sell-outs at away ground I can see is that, assuming of course good away results, NUFC’d be regarded as attractive television and thus attract additional TV payments.

    …..

    I don’t see what difference it would make to us being more attractive for tv, we are easily the biggest draw in the championship and people up and down the country will happily tune in hoping to see us get beat.

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  • Whumpie

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #33

    I think we’re arguing over a typo – the original article doesn’t mention away gates – it’s home gates which are way over expectation.

    It is a dilemma: while the gut instinct is to boycott, the hard truth is that the more tickets, shirts and beer we buy, the more likely it is that we’ll get new management. Ouch. It also increases our chances of good results, and makes us more attractive to targeted new players.

    Oh, and for those who say the Toon Army need to forget about being ‘special’ supporters: the stats would seem to say otherwise. 40,000?? That’s nearly 3 times the league average.

    So I say: go to the matches. Support. Don’t shop in SportsDirect. End of.

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  • lesh

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #34

    Stardust…. increased attractiveness to televise additional home games might add more to the revenue stream eh?

    Your hypothosis in 31 sounds more than feasible and could provide a sound no lose situation for all concerned.

    Good blue-skies thinking Stardust.

    Note, you’re getting your credible name for that post.

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  • Whumpie

    Sep 9, 2009 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #35

    Stardust: I actually like the sound of what you’re saying, and I’ve thought the same (although in less detail) for some time.

    Ashley keeps a big stake, and hopefully makes a lot of his money back when we get promoted. that frees up a lot of operating capital for Mort to do what’s needed to make sure that happens.

    Mike gets to go back to drinking at matches (perhaps in the safety of his box, though) and we all prey that Mort is less of a gimboid at running a football club.

    You’ve also illustrated why these deals tend to take months – the details just go on forever, and any one of them can cost one side or the other millions. Not something to be rushed.

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  • Nick D

    Sep 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #36

    dave 1961 I thought Shearer had already failed !!
    If he couldn’t motivate his best mates Owen, Duff, Butt, Harper etc to get one point from 2 matches, when is he ever going to motivate them? KK was a motivator, I don’t think AS is.

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  • lesh

    Sep 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #37

    Stardust, Whumpie…. the success or failure of that Barry Moat/ MA structure rests on the appointment of someone in a senior postion who knows the business of football.

    Failure to have that understanding on board likely to result in a re-run of the MA school of managing a massive business that exists in a world of which he had no experience.

    If things are to take time to firm up, then let’s hope for a steady, rationally controlled pair of hands at the helm.

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  • original kash

    Sep 9, 2009 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #38

    A little inside gossip for you boys. The first team squad isn’t being run by Hughton &/or Calderwood, but by 3 first team players who are Smith, Barton and Nolan. Apparently these 3 players are dictating training sessions & methods, times to eat as a collective, hotels to stay at when playing away etc etc. I couldn’t believe it when I was told. So the success we’ve had is actually down to these 3 players!

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #39

    I just want some normality back-I will be very surprised if any takeover happens…like I said the first time the club was put up for sale….it is simply a fraud and a front to make excuses for poor transfer activity and 1st Team investment.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 9, 2009 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #40

    Barton likes to Eat at McDonalds,Smith likes a good Carvery and Nolan aint fussy.

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