Peterborough 2 Newcastle 0 – Bairns Not Good Enough


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Chris Hughton tried a brave experiment tonight by starting 6 teenagers and making a full 9 changes to the side that beat Plymouth on Saturday – but it was all to no avail, as the team went down 2-0 away to Peterborough.

The average age of the starting 11 was just over 20, so obviously Chris was forced in to taking some risks tonight, to give the seniors a well earned rest before the important trip to Ipswich on Saturday.

Peterborough started the better of the two sides and after just 10 minutes Newcastle somehow managed to escape from conceding a goal after a massive scramble in the Newcastle goalmouth.  Things were not looking too good in defense at this point.

But then on 20 minutes Peterborough got the go-ahead goal when the young Newcastle defense failed to deal with a short corner, as Ryan Taylor’s attempted clearance, from Boyd’s cross, came back to Craig Mackail-Smith, who was on hand to head past a helpless Tim Krul from just six yards out.

The on 31  minutes Peterborough made it 2-0 after Tozer lost possession inside his own area while under pressure from three Peterborough
players, and it was Tom Williams who smashed past Tim Krul from a narrow angle. That showed Ben’s lack of experience at this level, and hopefully he will learn from the mistake.

Newcastle were struggling to somehow get back into the game, when something in the second half, which we really didn’t want to happen did, and Danny Guthrie was shown a red card, for a late lunge on Boyd midway inside Newcastle’s half.

That was Guthrie’s second yellow card and for the second time in his career at Newcastle, he was sent of and now will miss the crucial game at Ipswich on Saturday. When will they ever learn?

And with nothing to lose Hughton went for broke after 59 minutes, and made a triple change with Alan Smith, Geremi and Kevin Nolan replacing Haris Vuckic, Kazenga LuaLua and Ryan Donaldson.

Try as the did Newcastle were unable to get the goal that could have set up a dramatic finale, and so the team is out of the Carling Cup, and it was a fairly comfortable win for Posh.

In fact, but for goalkeeper Tim Krul, the scoreline could have been much worse.

The team should have probably been able to get through this tie, but it shows the lack of depth of the Newcastle squad, that when we go into the back-ups,  the talent and experience is just not there.

If we had a decent owner he would let Chris sign some more loan  players – but we don’t, and if he cannot or will not strengthen the squad, he should do the honorable thing and sell up and get himself out of  Toon – and let someone in that is willing to strengthen the squad. But how many times in the last year have we said that?

Of course that means putting the club first, which is a foreign concept indeed to the clueless Mike Ashley and gang.  But we are walking on egg shells right now with our tiny squad.

Chris attempted a courageous play tonight, but unfortunately the youngsters couldn’t get the job done. But Chris did the right thing – as he has to find a way of resting the senior players, so they don’t pick up long term injuries, because then we’ll really be screwed and can wave goodbye to promotion this season.

And we are certainly not going to blame the kids, they got a good run-out tonight, which will do them the world of good, but they’re just not up to it –  not yet anyway.

Tim Krul was again outstanding, and showed he is the long-term number one goalkeeper in waiting, at the club, and Steve Harper will need to keep playing out of his skin to keep this lad out of the team.

And the coaches also know they have to be very careful with youngsters not to push them too early – or else when things go bad like tonight it can greatly affect their confidence.

So hey, the kids did their best tonight, and the reason we were beaten lies way above them in the Newcastle hierarchy, and above Chris Hughton too – in case people didn’t already know that.

Now we can concentrate on the real goal of this season, and ensure we get 3 points at Ipswich on Saturday night, although we have to say that Danny Guthrie has hardly helped that cause by getting himself sent off tonight.

For anybody who has two eyes and can see, Chris Hughton has shown in no uncertain way tonight, that we do not have a big enough squad and don’t have enough experienced players to make a real promotion challenge this season, so we’ll have to hope something is done about it.

However with the grossly incompetent Mike Ashley still at the helm, the chances of him doing that must be less that 10% – and those odds are erring on the positive side.

This was our second loss in just three games, so we had better get back on the winning track on Saturday at Ipswich Town.

Teams:

Peterborough: Joe Lewis, Russell Martin (c), Tom Williams, Craig Morgan, Gabriel Zakuani, Paul Coutts, Lee Frecklington, Aaron McLean, George Boyd, Craig Mackail-Smith, Toumani Diagouraga
Subs: Dean Keates, James McKeown, Tommy Rowe, Krystian Pearce, Jamie Day, Chris Whelpdale, Shaun Batt

Newcastle United: Tim Krul, James Tavernier, Ben Tozer, Steven Taylor (c), Ryan Taylor, Peter Lovenkrands, Danny Guthrie, Ryan Donaldson, Kazenga LuaLua, Haris Vuckic, Nile Ranger
Subs: Kevin Nolan, Alan Smith, Geremi, Wesley Ngo Baheng, Ole Soderberg, Brad Inman, Shane Ferguson

Referee: Keith Stroud
Attendance: 10, 298



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49 comments so far

  • bren32

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:17 PM

    Comment #1

    chris done the right thing, This compition has not been taken seriously for years.
    We must get up this year. after the last cup game we had two injuries and neither are back yet . We have no chance of winning it so therefore its pointless. all the lads including the teenagers would have been aware of this. Three points against ipswitch and a bewildered look on roy keanes face, now theres something to look forward too.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:17 PM

    Comment #2

    Does anyone here think Donaldson will ever amount to anything? Mark my words, he’ll be playing for gateshead in a few seasons. Also Tozer, came with this big reputation, sounded like he had a shocker. He made a fair few mistakes for the ressies when I saw him. At the end of the day a centre half that slips and makes mistakes is like a dog that keeps running away or a car that doesn’t start………get rid asap.

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  • Monument Mal

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:18 PM

    Comment #3

    I think it was a wise move on Chris Hughton’s part to take this opportunity to blood the kids and save our more experienced players for the long haul ahead. Promotion has to be our primary aim this season and with our wafer thin squad, good cup runs are a luxury we can’t afford.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM

    Comment #4

    Ah well could have been worse……could have been 5-0 ha

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  • ziad

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:22 PM

    Comment #5

    Lets keep our concentration on sat. The game is tricky playing winless wounded ispwich away.

    The stick that CH is getting is really uncalled for.
    Remeber we are still in an automatic promotion spot.

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  • tripp

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:24 PM

    Comment #6

    I agree. Not a result that anyone really wanted but now we have one less distraction. I’m just disappointed that the kids didn’t perform better. Arsenal’s child army they weren’t. Gutheries’ sending off is the biggest disappointment. Seems CH should have seen that one coming. Perhaps he wanted to see how Gutherie reacted. Danny failed that test it would seem.

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  • wickywoowoo

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:25 PM

    Comment #7

    So these are the youngsters that people where complaining don’t get first team chances in place of the likes of Geremi? I think they have proven they are all hype and no substance.

    Hughton gave them the chance to show off and they were awful. The commentators on the radio were almost calling Lua Lua pathetic and he is one of the most talked up youngsters we have.

    I guess compared to having 0 youngsters at all, the novelty of having any to even play got to people’s heads and everyone thought they were world beaters. I guess now we know they are about League 2 level after all.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    Comment #8

    We get Peterborough at home sat 7th November. Will definately have to go to that 1.

    wickywoowoo

    wouldnt be too harsh on them, remember some are only 17 and 18. I would like to see what would happen if our first team played Peterborough’s reserves.

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:31 PM

    Comment #9

    a dont think the kids are as good as some people think

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #10

    DJG // Sep 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM

    We get Peterborough at home sat 7th November. Will definately have to go to that 1.

    wickywoowoo

    wouldnt be too harsh on them, remember some are only 17 and 18. I would like to see what would happen if our first team played Peterborough’s reserves.
    <<< what like when we played hull reserves last season

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  • Toon_Factor

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #11

    Agreed Batty.

    Sounded to me like Lualua was trying to play like Gutierrez with his dribbling but failed misrebly

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  • lacedaemonian

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #12

    Sack Hughton!

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  • lacedaemonian

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    Comment #13

    When is Jonas back?

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  • wickywoowoo

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    Comment #14

    DJG (post 8), I do realise they are all very young but my post is in respect of those fans who claim to be “in the know” and who go to watch the reserves.

    All I’ve heard and read for a while is how Lua Lua is ready for first team. We heard this while in the Premier League last season but he sounded like a school boy tonight.

    I think it’s a fluke that Andy Carroll and Nile Ranger are turning out like players we can use. Hopefully this Vuckic is good too but I can only imagine there is a reason we got him and Real Madrid and Chelsea didn’t take him.

    I just think these youngsters have been promoted through rose tinted specs and we are blind to the fact they are all quite rubbish.

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    Comment #15

    ASHLEY OOT ASHLEY OOT

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    Comment #16

    I don’t care that we’re out of a cup we couldn’t even win anyway.

    Sat is a potential bbc2 banana skin against a wounded animal Roy Keane side. I think Hughton has had that in mind all along and he is totally right to have us rested and ready for that instead.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:38 PM

    Comment #17

    Ashley you fat ‘##£$^”£

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:39 PM

    Comment #18

    wickywoowoo agree with you aboot the young uns but i do think carrol and ranger are a cut above the rest m8 and its a good job like

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  • ziad

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:39 PM

    Comment #19

    This kind of test is also good to know which youngsters to keep and which to kick out.
    Atm I would pick only Ranger and Krul out of the whole bunch

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM

    Comment #20

    imagine if we get any more injurys or suspensions we would be fcked

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  • toonoholic

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:41 PM

    Comment #21

    playing 17 yr old kids away from home when the opposition plays their first team is not a joke

    two lessons to learn

    1) MIKE WE AINT ARSENAL
    2)OUR SCOUTING HAS A LONG WAY TO GO

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:42 PM

    Comment #22

    aye dennis has done a crackin job lol

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  • giimps

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:44 PM

    Comment #23

    Arsen would never have put so many academy/reserve players in the same team at the same time with no experienced players to draw on.For all yous who are saying the kids arent good enough i say “BLORROX” put them in a couple at a time through the season ,with experience and guidance they will make it, not all mind but a fair few, if blooded correctly ,will make the first team later this year ,especially when the injuries really kick in.
    I agree with hughton on this one ,although i wouldnt have played so many untried players.
    Roll on Ipswich , 3 points from them and a p45 for Keane would make my weekend.
    Special day for Sir Bobby too, God rest his soul.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:46 PM

    Comment #24

    Keep, Krul, Ranger, Carroll, Vuckic

    byebye, Tozer, Kadar, Tavernier, Terry Mac’s young’un, donald duck, LuaLua ( too selfish and actually pants although quick)

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  • Shot Bru

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:46 PM

    Comment #25

    At the end of the day you can’t judge these youngsters on one performance. Granted most of them aren’t gonna make it and will end up playin’ in the lower divisions. Even if we get 1 or 2 guys that come through every coupla years like Krul and Ranger we’ll be doin’ well. After all Ranger was poor against Huddersfield in the cup, constantly getting knocked off the ball and throwing his arms in the air complaining about not getting any free kicks. Fortunately Ranger has shown himself to be a quick learner and has adapted brilliantly showing a great attitude.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:54 PM

    Comment #26

    There’s a young lad called Patrick McLaughlin who plays defensive midfield for the reserves and I think he is 1 to keep hold of. Very much like a non ginger Nicky Butt, except he CAN pass the ball about.

    If Mike Ashley thinks he can assemble a team from our youth squad to compete at the top of the prem he is severly deluded. Some of them couldn’t trap a bag of cement.

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  • batty

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:56 PM

    Comment #27

    at the end of the day if ashley stays and any of the youg uns turn oot to be good uns ashley will sell them anyway so hes gotta get gone asap the fat tw@t

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  • Edd Case

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #28

    Just got back from the match…

    Dreadful performance by a few out there tonight.
    Loudest cheer of the entire night (including when they scored on both occassions) was for Smith coming on.

    I wont pick on the kids too much first…

    First teamers…
    Well, Guthrie was really poor tonight and deservedly got sent off, what a muppet.
    R. Taylor – gets worse every match, free kicks, passing, general all round play just shambolic.
    S. Taylor – seemed to do ok, had to keep picking Tozer off the floor though, which wouldn’t have helped.
    Krul – kept it to two, trust me, if Posh weren’t so sh1t themselves, it WOULD have been 8.

    As for the kids…

    Well, Vukic looked way out of his depth.
    He was bossed about way too much and his passing was pretty poor. Still, he’s very young and bloody big lad for his age, I think he’ll come good.
    I have NEVER heard of Tavernier? Where the hell did he come from? Was wearing shirt 44…looked worryingly like a new Stephen Carr.
    Donaldson – completely vacant…nothing good to say about the lad, didn’t even know he was on the pitch.
    Lua Lua – we’ve seen this before…very hit and miss…but just miss tonight.
    Ranger looks pretty good to be fair, strong and made some good runs, in a good team, he’ll be a very decent striker – I still believe in him.

    I have to say, Chris was right to field the kids – I just hope Tozer isn’t too badly upset because he did have a shocker…

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  • Edd Case

    Sep 22, 2009 at 10:59 PM

    Comment #29

    By the way, we should have had 2 DEAD CERT penalties tonight – I was right in front of the first shout, so definitely a penatly, terrible referee tonight, definitely didnt help.

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  • lacedaemonian

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:00 PM

    Comment #30

    In an ideal world our academy would produce maybe a couple of good first team players ever few years. We shouldn’t be hurling cack at the kids though, as they all develop at different rates.

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  • lacedaemonian

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:06 PM

    Comment #31

    Cheers for the report, Edd.

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  • DJG

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM

    Comment #32

    lacedaemonian // Sep 22, 2009 at 11:00 PM

    ”We shouldn’t be hurling cack at the kids”

    lol
    aye but we’ve killed two birds with one stone. Rested the likes of Enrique for the ‘real’ game on Sat… and maybe a few of the young millionaires to be realised they arn’t quite as good as they think.

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  • Shot Bru

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:09 PM

    Comment #33

    Thanks for the analysis Edd Case. What role did Lovenkrands take up tonight and does he look fit yet?

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  • Thump

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #34

    To be honest, I think this may give a wake up call to Ashley. Peterbrough are placed 18th in the table, have 7 points of their 8 games (12 points behind us) and have a GD of -3 and our young lads were well out of their depth tonight, but the REALLY worrying thing is that at some point we’re going to get an injury/ban or something and we’re going to HAVE to dip into our younger talent… and frankly they just aren’t up to it.

    Come on, Fatboy, surely you can see how much trouble we’re in?

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  • Edd Case

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:20 PM

    Comment #35

    Shot Bru – Loven was another completely anonymous player for me.
    I just cant understand the tactics of Hughton.
    I thought it was 442 at first but they were all over the place.

    LuaLua was definitely on the left wing, Ranger definitely up top.
    Vuckic was somewhere lost in the middle – he was easy to spot because he big but he was completely ineffectual.
    I honestly couldn’t tell you where Loven played tonight…?
    Was Donadlson not on the right? Or is he a central midfielder?
    Guthrie, Vuckic, Lua Lua and pressumably Donaldson was midfield then?
    God knows,…it was painful to watch though.

    I really felt sorry for Tozer though, Taylor put his arm around him at least twice after he was punching the ground after each mistake.
    Shame.

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  • thud and blunder

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:21 PM

    Comment #36
  • thud and blunder

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 PM

    Comment #37
  • Shot Bru

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:28 PM

    Comment #38

    Sounds as though it was a bit shambolic Edd, and a bit disturbing regarding Tozer, wonder if we’ll ever see him action again. Last thing anyone wants to see a young lads confidence destroyed like that.

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  • sirjasontoon

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM

    Comment #39

    Sounds like the kids had a bit of a nightmare…I don’t think they are much kop to be honest…I am not that impressed with Ranger either so far…seems a load of hype over nothing to be honest…Tozer sounds like he may have hurt his fists 🙂

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  • Edd Case

    Sep 22, 2009 at 11:31 PM

    Comment #40

    While Im still up…

    Good thoughts….

    Ranger is a very decent prospect, he tried hard tonight and I think he’ll come good.
    He needs a goal and with all of our senior player in the team, he’ll get one for sure.
    Lua Lua is VERY quick but positionally inept, not enough running off the ball and a bit blinkered, bit like someone else we once knew with the same name…he’s young though, and with Shearer-type guidance, could also come good.
    Donaldson, sorry, for me he did nothing and he’s been round a while now…can’t see him ever getting into the first team.
    Tavenier, I admit to never having heard of him, ashamed of myself I am! He didn’t look convincing at all. Slipped around alot and let too many crosses come in, hence the Carr comparisson, but this was his first game and he could easily improve.
    Lots of people really excited about Haris – the new Ronaldo he aint, thats for sure.
    Not sure what type of player he is. I think he wants to be a tall Iniesta/Xavi, thats the impression I get from how he tries to play, trouble is, playing like in games like tonight at 16 years old can be too difficult, and so it was.

    We lost a game in the cup, the league is what matters and are kids are ‘ok’.
    None of them looked world class but it’s all about potential and in most of them, it’s there, even if they were outplayed tonight.

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