Defeat Yesterday Showed Lack Of Desire And Fight

Newcastle were second best against a decent Nottingham Forest side yesterday, but it was Forest’s desire in the first half that was too much for Newcastle – shades of last season from the Tyneside club.

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Chris Hughton – has big job to prepare lads for Tuesday night

The Nottingham Forest manager Davies after the game yesterday:

“In my humble opinion, the job of managing Newcastle United should go to the guy who is doing it now,”

“If you look at the club, at the game and the situation he and Colin are under, I’ve got to say they done brilliantly” said the Forest manager.”

“In the time they’ve had, they’ve come through a difficult period under tough circumstances superbly.”

But Hughton’s focus remained firmly on a game in whuich Newcastle looked like relegation candidates in that first half – they were just utterly hopeless, and most oif the p[layers seemed to hope they were’n’t playing.

Any more performances like this and we’ll can kiss goodbye to promotion – we were let off the hook countless times in the first half and still couldn’t wake up.

A worried Chris Hughtion said after the game:

“That’s nice for him (Davies) to say, but at the moment it’s not a nice feeling I’ve got,” “We came here to get something from the game.”

“Against a side in very good form we knew it would be difficult, but it’s still very disappointing.” “We have paid the price for our performance in a first half when Forest were better than us.”

“When you have that, it’s crucial you don’t concede a goal, and we would have been delighted to go in at half time at 0-0, but we were left needing to score.”

“If there was one team who were going to do that in the second half it was us, but they (Forest) defended very well.”

“We are still at the end of the table we want to be, but these are valuable points lost.”

Hughton must lift his team before Tuesday night’s trip to Scunthorpe, and another defeat or bad showing there will severely hamper the confidence of the Newcastle players, who must be reeling after their woefully bad showing of yesterday.

However, good news in that Hughton has today denied that Taylor could be out for six weeks with a hamstring problem, and while both players will not be available on Tuesday night one or both could return in next Saturday’s game against Doncaster at home.

Our defense looked weak yesterday and is particularly weak in the air, and we’ll need to do a lot better against Scunthorpe on Tuesday night, if we are to get back to winning ways.

Another defeat at Scunthorpe and things will look bleak indeed on Tyneside.

21 comments so far

  • toonsy

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #1

    Another defeat and Ashley may want just 60 mill up front 🙂

    On a serious note, from being at the game yesterday, it just brought back memories of last season again. Everything from the players spouting off to the press, right down to the lack of fight and desire. Hughton is a one trick pony, hoof it long. That is getting found out now!

  • Spitfire

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #2

    The cracks – which everyone knew were -there are now starting to open up. Trouble is we only have cheap DIY filler to try to repair them when we need a full replastering job.

  • Spitfire

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #3

    There are going to be a lot more games like yesterday – and worse -believe me.

  • pearceet

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #4

    Having watched the game we got the tactics in the first half horribly wrong.
    the route one ball was the only thing we tried in the first half and didn’t look like scoring for one minute.
    however when we changed this in the second half and started to play the ball to feet more and use the wide men and using the full backs we looked better and more potent as an attacking force
    but i think that the reason we lost is because of our tactics in the first half and playing two right backs at center back

  • batty

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #5

    its ok playing route 1 if ranger is on as he can hold the ball up well but hughton hasent got a clue

  • pearceet

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #6

    batty // Oct 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM

    agreed but we tried to do it for too long without success we needed to change earlier

  • Solaidback

    Oct 18, 2009 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #7

    Am I the only one who’s noticed the decline in how wellour team have been playing co-insides with Houghton using Harewood instead of Ranger!!!!
    After watching him play yesterday, I can now fully understand why he’s a non-starter at the Villians, he’s not that fast, easily pushed off teh ball, shite at passing & too bloody lazy to chase any ball he loses unlike Ranger, who in my opinion has been a rock up front, Ranger & Nolan played awesome together but instead of using that what was wnning, Houghton has desided to use a LOANEE who is completely useless & hopefully won’t be staying after his 3 months is over, let Ranger back in the squad, give him that chance to experience the fizzy & get hin ready for the EPL next season, cause with him up front, he could be wor Al’s real replacement for the future!!!

  • Mags

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #8

    I do not necessarily agree with your heading Ed that it was lack of desire and fight from the team yesterday. Simple really, it is lack of players.

    It was patently obvious that Davies had told his two wide players to push on and keep our fullbacks pushed back into our own half. Lets face it we have no natural wide players and have to rely on Ryan Taylor and Enrique pushing upfield.

    Playing Guthrie out wide is not the answer as he continuously drifts infield.

    It just shows how desperate was the need to fill this role either as a permanent signing or a loan player.

    Couple that to the temporary central defence which we were forced to play and which was woeful and you have your answer.

  • toonsy

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #9

    Solaidback – No pressure for young Ranger then? 😀

  • Mags

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #10

    Solaidback, agree with your comments about young Ranger. The only thing I would say though, is that at 18 we must make sure we do not burn the kid out, because as you point out, he will be a precious commodity for the future.

  • Solaidback

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #11

    toonsy // Oct 18, 2009 at 3:05 PM

    Solaidback – No pressure for young Ranger then?
    The lad thrives on it, he played great for us & got better with every game, so no pressure on him at all 😉

  • MacToon

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:17 PM

    Comment #12

    Harewood did definately look off the pace yesterday but one thing he does well is use his strength, reminding me a little of the Duke, good if he doesn’t have to move! but I agree he was poor, Carroll and Shola link up much better and maybe Ranger could do a better job. Maybe Harewood will do better after a few matches to get upto speed.

    In the second half it was noticable Nolan played more up field and made a big difference.

    Our first half was terrible and like toonsey said reminds us of last season…………………

  • GeordieGerman

    Oct 18, 2009 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #13

    Solaidback, Is Ranger going to be sold then? Because if we continue to play as we did yesterday, that’s the only way Ranger will see the EPL.

  • dave 1961

    Oct 18, 2009 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #14

    the reason we lost is simple we have a coach who now thinks hes a manager, his tactics are poor if not nonexistent, whoever was responsible for Harewood wants replacing, when Chris Hughton played the only players he had, we scraped results when he can pick we go on a wobble, we need a manager now, these other managers that want to give the job to Chris i ask why, because they want us to win the coca cola, oh no sorry they want to win it.

  • buda boom

    Oct 18, 2009 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #15

    We lost because Hughton is blind and picks the senior players in the side even if it means square pegs in round holes. I guess a group of senior players are running the show. Simpson and zhurab are not centre halves and never will be as long as their backside points downwards. Kadar and Morris are both under 21 internationalists with prospects of being called up for their senior sides. They should have started. Please don’t give me they have no experience. How much experience do you need to play against Dexter Blackstock and two other guysI have never heard of.
    Guthrie is a central midfielder but Hughton dodges the tough decision Nolan or Guthrie by sticking Guthrie out wide right where he is completely lost.
    The same with Lovenkrands. He was never where he should have been because it was alien to him. All Hughtons fault.
    If the fat cockney is going to stay on he needs to appoint a manager who isn’t afraid of upsetting senior players.
    Forest, Leicester, Sheff Wed and QPR have all been better than us at passing and moving.

  • NewcastleMole

    Oct 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM

    Comment #16

    QPR game a few weeks back the midfield was this.

    Guthrie Nolan Smith Butt

    Square pegs in round holes.

  • Uchiha_Itachi

    Oct 18, 2009 at 7:30 PM

    Comment #17

    Not taking anything away from Forest who have been on a very decent run recently, but tactically as has been picked up by a few during this thread was simply woeful and the reason for unnecessarily dropping points. During the first half we didn’t get the ball down and spent the majority hoofing it forward with no effect whatsoever. Also have to be honest about Harewood who on his first performance as a sub against Ipswich showed me some promise but was clearly ineffective and off pace. Ranger should have started.

    The most worrying thing of all however was how we looked defensively. Anyone complaining about Colo should really stand and take notice here. Steven was always going to be missed but yesterday illustrated how important it is that we keep these two fit. I rate Simpson highly but as a centre back..just no.

    Ryan Taylor again looked a decent threat whipping balls in and along with Nolan is proving to be our most consistent performers this year. Despite the loss was still impressed with Harper, who kept us in the game and deserves any due credit. Scunthorpe will be boyed from winning over the weekend and will be a tough test away, we’ve already displayed our lack of desire during these midweek fixtures and with our squad so thin we are going to have to show a stronger spirit to get through these periods where fixtures will be rapidly piling up.

    The bottom line however will be about how we bounce back from these they will come this season. We can take something from Preston and the smogs both losing and Cardiff only picking up a point. Only a win will be acceptable on tuesday…

  • chuck

    Oct 18, 2009 at 7:34 PM

    Comment #18

    Interesting article concerning a possible new manager, come the summer.
    I am sure Ashley is aware of the recent poll where Hughton was rejected by ninety odd percent of the fans for a permanent role.
    So it`s rumored (it was also a rumor about a year ago) that Marcelino Toral, who did such a good job at Santander and is widely respected as a good young manager may be offered the job.
    It should be apparent Alan Shearer will not be offered the job as long as Ashley remains as owner, for obvious reasons.
    In which case would this be a welcome appointment, or should we the fans demand Ashley re-hire King Kevin (or-and) Shearer ?

  • Sav

    Oct 18, 2009 at 11:27 PM

    Comment #19

    Wrong to start sniping at Chris Hughton. He isn’t the manager and has done bloody marvelous under the circumstances. We all owe him a big thanks.
    Fully agree about Ranger. We aren’t depending on him for goals – he hasn’t scored any yet – but we still look a whole lot more potent with him contributing. What 18 year-old wouldn’t eat it up and the point about giving him Fizzy Pop experience is valid.
    And, Ed, would that it were just lack of spirit and fight but its worse than that. Its talent and creativity and good footballing skills – Forest had them and we didn’t.

  • harry861

    Oct 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM

    Comment #20

    The central defence was lacking in height. Why did not play Jonas Gutierrez & Ranger on from the start.

    Harewood I can understand why West Ham & Villa realised he wasn’t good enough & Lovenkrands & Guthrie were both poor.

    I think that Carrol & Ranger head & shoulders better than Harewood & Shola.
    The players who gave played well were Alan Smith, Jose Enrique, Carroll, Nolan especially when he was moved forward & for short Jonas Gutierrez & Ranger

  • premier

    Oct 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #21

    pop!! was that a bubble bursting? or perhaps a beach ball even lol


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