It’s Time To Start All Over Again – That’s All

There’s certainly been a lot of discussion following Newcastle’s seemingly disastrous defeat at Derby County on Tuesday night.

Danny Simpson

But after we all calmed down a little, got over the shock of a 3 goal loss, and looked at the top of the table in the cold light of day, we’re in a more than decent position still, and a few wins in the upcoming games will put us back into an excellent position.

Danny Simpson, one of Newcastle new signings in January, has talked today about the disappointing defeat today.

Simpson told the local Evening Chronicle:

“If we go on an unbeaten run of 15 games again we will probably get promoted.”

“So we start again. We’ve done well up to now and, although Derby was disappointing, we can turn it round with another unbeaten run.”

“To go from what we had last Friday against Cardiff to what we had at Derby is massively disappointing.”

“But credit to them – they battled well and took their chances when they got into the final third.”

“It was one of those away games when you see the crowd and you realise that it is a big game for them.”

“But they did what they did very well.

Simpson did pick up another hamstring problem on Tuesday night, and maybe a fitness doubt for Saturday afternoon.

Danny continued and addressed his injury:

“I felt my hamstring in the first half but I managed to get through it.”  “I will see how it is in the next few days, but I think I am all right.”

If Danny is not fit, we would expect Ryan Taylor to come back in at right back, or Chris may given Hungarian youngster Tamas Kadar a chance in that position.

6’2″ tall Tamas is an up-and-coming defender at Newcastle, and he’s always been solid when he’s appeared in the first team this season, and we have real confidence in this lad for the future.

Comments very welcome.

45 comments so far

  • Captain Beefheart

    Feb 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM

    Comment #1

    Complacency again, Ed. The sad truth is very few of the current squad would be first choice Premiership standard, and if we do manage to scrape promotion (and on current form that is unlikely) we will be rattling around the bottom three again unless we effect a major clear out including a number of the current midfield and strike force.

    Our youth ‘stars’ such as Ranger and Kadar have not stepped up to the plate, and this season was the perfect opportunity. Add to this having to buy non-Prem journeymen (Best??) on the tightest of budgets. Even if we do make it, Smith, Butt and Ameobi among half a dozen more will simply be taking up a squad number in the Prem and will need to be dispatched with a Teasmade and gold watch each.

    And as much as I like what Jonas brings, his inconsistency is infuriating in terms of a final ball or worthwhile shot even at this level. This has not improved all season despite the occasional wonder goal or cross. Carroll flatters to deceive at times, and players such as Nolan, Simpson and R Taylor are likely to be found sadly wanting against any team in the Prem’s top half.

    But this is to forget we are still playing Fizzy League footy, and already faltering badly, be warned this is no ‘blip’ – so alarm bells should be ringing NOW. Players are not delivering the goods on the field, nor have many of them been for some time. All of this masked by a meaningless unbeaten run of wasted draws. In short we have blown a 12 point lead AGAIN so everyone involved needs to ask why and sort it out instead of burying heads & pretending everything is OK. As Jezza correctly states in an earlier post:

    ‘If you think everything is hunky dory at Newcastle United you are sadly mistaken.’

    So crack that whip, Chris, you are the gaffa so make yourself unpopular again – the parachute payment is running out and if we don’t get up this year season I dread to think what the squad will have to be come next July!!

  • Ericles

    Feb 11, 2010 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #2

    I agree wholeheartedly with every word Captain Beefheart has said. When our fans turn up at Swansea please go and pay respects at the statue of Ivor Allchurch. Now there was a skilfuul maestro who really did do justice to a black and white striped shirst. I loved watching his consummate intelligent playing style and beautiful daisy cutting passes – and he was an unassuming gentleman too! There is no outfielder at St James Park fit to lick his boots today! Sad to say it lads but it happens to be true. Get out of Toon fat man!!!!

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #3

    LoL, thanks for the entertaining read, Cpt Beefheart (where’s your magic band, btw???). For a minute, I almost thought you were serious.

    Oh wait! You WERE serious… wow. My bad, man.

    Seriously- this doom and gloom is completely ridiculous. Sure, the boys f’d up. They f’d up bad, but when you’ve got a season that lasts for 10 months, you’re gonna have issues like this. Get passed it. I mean you talk as though we’re bottom of the league with a squad full of amateurs. This line of thinking is not only counter-productive, but unhealthy. Furthermore, this lack of optimisim can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. We really should be thinking more positively about this situation. When you focus only on the negative, you simply ignore the positive and as soon as something bad happens, you’ve been waiting for it, and then out comes the doomsayer rhetoric: “Out with the fatman, our players are dross, we’ll be lucky to gain promotion, etc etc etc”. Forget about the fact that our club has virtually no debt. Forget about the fact that our club has set franchise records this year. Forget about the fact that we have a very promising youth organisation coming up. Forget about the fact that we’ve dominated the league so far. Forget about the fact that we DO have some talent capable of performing in the EPL. Forget about the fact that new players, EPL quality players, will almost certainly be purchased this summer. Forget about ALL the good things and focus only on the bad. Cuz THAT’S productive….. *shakes head disgustedly*

  • NewcastleMole

    Feb 11, 2010 at 5:07 PM

    Comment #4

    Im dreading it if we go up. I have a terrible feeling we’ll have a summer of turmoil with Ashley selling the club. If nobody buys he’ll use it as an excuse for not spending money on players

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #5

    “Hunky dory” maybe not, but I thought we were to be the “new Leeds”, dropping through the divisions like a stone ?

    For Heaven’s sake, we have lost 4 games in 29 !! If that’s “faltering badly” I’ll take that, thanks.

    WBA have drawn 8 games, so have we. Forest have drawn 10. In 1992-93 we drew 9 and lost 8.

    Do you honestly expect us to win EVERY game ?? If you feel a long unbeaten run is “pointless” then that’s up to you. Ask a Boro, Sheffield Weds, Palace or Coventry fan where they’d rather be. Come to think of it, ask a Leeds fan.

  • Mikey25

    Feb 11, 2010 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #6

    1 loss in 15 games is great, joint top with a game in hand is even better! At start of season if somebody had said wed be in this position now I wouldn’t have believed them.
    My main issue has been the way were treating our kids! Let’s loan out van aanhalt or whatever from chelsea…hes 18 and starting in place of kadar who can play left back who is older isnt he? if I was kadar id be pretty annoyed! Ranger has had very few games, even lualua should have been given a run on the wings! 1 thing I was thinking in summer was “hell yeah we get to see the youngsters play” but its just not happening for them! Hughton seems to think they have to be 21 before they play! In premiership next season they wont get a sniff or if they do it won’t be much! Think its one part of us we need to promote a lot more!

  • NewcastleMole

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #7


    Who really runs the team the manager or the players?

    Its plain to see to anyone that Nolan should be rested for a couple of games but he seems the type of person that will want to play every game irrespective of form/fitness.

    There’s a feeling the senior players have a great deal of influence in team affairs. Majority of players have come out in support of Hughton.

    Youngsters should of been given a chance to break through, especially in the cup and games we’re dominating.

  • MacToon

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #8

    Although I am still confident of promotion this season I agree with most Captain Beefheart posts except about Jonas who has built up a great understanding with Enrique and proves to be the bit of class we often crave.

    Hughton still needs to prove himself imo, he has the “best” squad (or most expensive) in the league and should be winning more than we lose but it’s the lack lustre displays we keep having to watch that gets me. I wish he could adapt to the games and situations but seems to panic like, the triple substitution we had on the hour mark, minutes later it looked like Simpson (I think) was injured!

    Keep it tight, keep it together and fgs enjoy your football. Most fans would give their right arm for the chance to play for the Toon.

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #9


    I’d agree with that m8. I’d like to see young Kadar playing a lot more, as he seems a solid centre half. Not bad in the fullback position either. Van Aanholt is good though. And I think Hughton has just wanted to showcase the new talent. I’d give it a few games, and we’ll probably see Kadar again. LuaLua I seem to remember did not impress in the few games we gave him, though I could be wrong. I’d certainly like to see more of the lad. I’ll tell ya who I’d really like to see playing is Haris Vuckic. I think that lad shows a lot of promise.

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #10

    Vuckic was pretty anonymous against Peterborough in the cup though !

  • MacToon

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #11

    I’m not sure if Aanholt had a “must play” clause, I did hear something like that and for a month was probably worth a gamble. Kadar I think has done well when he’s played and did well at left back..

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #12


    You raise a good point, m8. Most fans WOULD give their right arm for the chance to play the Toon. Every fizzy team we play is gonna think of us as the freakin FA Cup final, so it comes as no surprise that teams, even BAD teams, will play their hearts out against us. Not surprising that we’ve had to grind out some results.

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #13


    Yeah, he was pretty anonymous. He’s also 17 lol. He’ll develop with time. He’s got bags of potential.

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #14

    Exactly, those same teams are nowhere near as up for it against WBA or Forest as they are against us. Do people really think all the others will just go away and let us got 20 points clear ?

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #15

    Gutted that we don’t have Dick Money (and if THAT ain’t a porn name, I don’t know what is hehe). He was IMMENSE with the bairns.

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:29 PM

    Comment #16

    like Hugo Viana you mean lol ? Or Silvio Maric ? I’m sure Vuckic will do well, but injured or not now is not the time.

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:31 PM

    Comment #17


    exactly. and that’s the point that everyone should remember. We are the Toon. We’re not the baggies, or the smoggies, or any other team like that. We’re the f’n TOON. We’re a big club and people are gonna play us like they’re playin for the lives. I’m ower the moon with our current league position. I have no doubt we’ll be back up over WBA. I really think we’ll win the league this year. Or come DANG close if we don’t.

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:32 PM

    Comment #18


    I’m inclined to agree. We DO need the experience that veteran players bring to the table. BUT, one day Vuckic will conquer worlds. mwahaha

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:33 PM

    Comment #19

    Look at the teams who have punched over their weight against us – Blackpool, Bristol City, Barnsley, Scunthorpe, Derby and dare I say it, Forest.

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:34 PM

    Comment #20

    Probably for Arsenal !

  • OHurley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:35 PM

    Comment #21

    LoL!! Maybe, but I hope not hahaha

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:35 PM

    Comment #22

    Blackpool, Barsnley, Sheff Weds, Bristol City, Plymouth, Scunthorpe, Derby and Forest have all been really up for it against us

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:37 PM

    Comment #23

    Does this site not accept the name of the team in north Lincs that beat us ?

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM

    Comment #24

    I was trying to say that Barnsley, Plymouth, Blackpool, Sheff Weds, Bristol City, Forest , Derby and that team were all up for it against us

  • jimiley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:48 PM

    Comment #25

    I don’t know anybody who thinks we have a good tea. The best description I’ve heard is decent. Apart from the blips against Cardiff and Ipswich, most of the games have been real grind out results. That sort of ability is nowhere near good enough for the Prem. The fat man will sell at the end of the summer (pocketing an extra 50 or 100 million…what has he done to deserve that? Spent 3 million in January?) and we will have no time to buy anybody of real quality. Left with Smith, Butt and Nolan to run the midfield against Arsenal. Barton will be injured. Promotion terrifies me.

  • jimiley

    Feb 11, 2010 at 6:53 PM

    Comment #26

    Does anybody think we will win the Prem before 2027, the centenary of our last league win? It’s like talking about the Iron Age its so long ago and a total disgrace. I think the only way we will ever win the league is if a super rich Arab takes us over. Otherwise its the Carling Cup and possibly the FA Cup if the big boys cannot be bothered.

  • hitman

    Feb 11, 2010 at 7:06 PM

    Comment #27

    have to agree with the mole comment 4…if we go up under ashley we will get torn new ar$e holes in the prem,it will be a fkin disaster…..

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 7:15 PM

    Comment #28

    Arsenal ran all over our midfield of Milner, Jenas, Emre, Dyer, Bowyer etc.

  • psb

    Feb 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM

    Comment #29

    How this for a team ?

    Beye Taylor Faye N’Zogbia
    Milner Butt Barton Duff
    Smith Owen

    It’s the one that lost 5-1 at home to Man Utd two seasons ago.

  • Warwick Hunt

    Feb 11, 2010 at 8:09 PM

    Comment #30

    We’ll be fine when we get promoted and we’ll win the title no bother as all the other teams will have went into liquidation at this rate!

  • Turkish Magpie

    Feb 11, 2010 at 8:24 PM

    Comment #31

    for me the team we should play with a fully fit squad is





    SUBS: Krul, Kadar, Simpson, Barton, Smith, Ranger, Best

    Any1 agree?

  • Turkish Magpie

    Feb 11, 2010 at 8:34 PM

    Comment #32

    1 of best signings we should make if we get promoted: Tuncay from Stoke, ignore the fact he’s trukish and so am i, but he’s got proven quality and scores pretty much evry time he plays for stoke but never gets played for some reason and would be available at bargain price

  • Shot Bru

    Feb 11, 2010 at 8:50 PM

    Comment #33

    I agree Turkish, Tuncay is superb. I also agree with you that Lovenkrands should be a definite starter. Personally i would like Ranger to be given a go next to him. I just wish Hughton would make his mind up who he thinks is his best partnership and stick with it rather than chopping and changing.

  • Turkish Magpie

    Feb 11, 2010 at 9:01 PM

    Comment #34

    Yeh i agree with you about the partnership thing Shot Bru

  • silverfox

    Feb 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM

    Comment #35

    Apart from a couple of games this season i feel that we have ground out results. We are gaining points yes, but this is the championship. I remember WBA storming the league and come straight back down.
    I am dissapointed that we bought Best as this will limit the progress of Ranger who will come good with games and i feel that Ranger is a better player.
    I will keep supporting the lads no matter what though and live in hope. I would love to see them win promotion in style and give us something to be proud of.

    Shearer has to be the best Newcastle player i have ever seen. Not just for his goals but for his defending from corners, his hold up play and he was an excellent crosser of the ball when he ventured out wide. He gave up so much for Newcastle.

  • Sav

    Feb 12, 2010 at 1:51 AM

    Comment #36

    Some good posts on here. Both Cpt Beefheart AND O’Hurley have good arguments. Obviously, we aren’t doing badly at all but I’d feel a lot more comforted to see us playing some decent football in between times. Just an indication that we are getting it together and starting to at elast sow the seeds of a Prem team. Instead, even the teams we beat are often playing more intelligent, controlled football. Ok you can laugh at that if you want. But its the truth.
    And I have also been saying what O’Hurly says. The young guns won’t get a shout if we are promoted. They should get every opportunity to gain experience now.

  • Robbanufc

    Feb 12, 2010 at 2:46 AM

    Comment #37

    Turkish Magpie

    Your side is not half bad, but I would however play Smith instead of Guthrie.

    We need some coverage defensively, and in the room between our centre halfs and our midfield. Needless to say that Smith has been our best player so far this season (according to the voting system at

    Even though Guthrie is one of my favorite players in our current squad, I would still chose Smudge.

    It’s been a while since we had such a big squad that we have right now. We have good coverage for almost every position (exceptions would be right and left midfield).

    And as far as worries for next season i’m not that worried. Our main goal next season will be to prevent relegation, and with the current squad it might be tricky. Add a few names to our squad and it should be fine.

    Defensively we’re allright.
    Simpson – Raylor – Saylor – Colo – Williamson – Enrique – Kadar. All have played in the EPL, and I think many of them are premiership quality.

    Midfield we’re allright too.

    Routledge – Raylor – Guthrie – Smudge – Barton – Nolan – Gutierrez – Vuckic – Here is where I would add a few wide players.

    Ameobi – Lovenkrands – Carroll – Ranger – Best. I would add a pacey striker to this list, and we’re all set!

    Howay the lads!

  • Ashley Hole

    Feb 12, 2010 at 6:52 AM

    Comment #38

    ASHLEY COLE OUT FOR THREE MONTHS, so van a is gone….

  • psb

    Feb 12, 2010 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #39

    Why is it that Nile Ranger seems to be able to do no wrong and his appalling misses seem to be tolerated ? Were Best or Ameobi to miss chances such as he missed against Forest, Swansea, Coventry, Derby, Palace etc they would have ben hung out to dry !

    I admit he is an honest worker, holds the ball up quite well, and has potential to worry defences, but his finishing is woeful ! I certainly wouldn’t want to bet much on the ball ending up in the net if it arrives at his feet in front of goal. I’d bet much more on Lovenkrands. He knows where the net is. Ranger doesn’t.

  • Chris G

    Feb 12, 2010 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #40

    Ashley Hole // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:52 AM

    ASHLEY COLE OUT FOR THREE MONTHS, so van a is gone….
    Yeah, I was worried about that as well. The young lad l0oks really promising and it would be a real shame if he had to go back because of the Cole injury

    However, I was slightly reassured by this –

    ‘Chelsea have plenty of cover in their squad. Russia international Yury Zhirkov is comfortable at left-back and Portugal international Paulo Ferreira can also play in the same position despite being signed by former boss Jose Mourinho as a right-back’


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