For Magpies’ Sake – Let’s Hope PL Don’t Come To Their Senses


You’ve had a good player  for a couple of years, who is now 20, and you have nurtured him forward in his football development, and then you offer him almost double the wages for a new three year contract, and what happens?

Dan Gosling – has already decided he will be joining Newcastle United

For Everton FC, absolute catastrophe.

So what have Everton done wrong?

Well, now we all know (at least since this story broke), the club is supposed to inform the player in writing of the new contract offer, and those are the rules, and they were not followed by Everton FC with their youngster Dan Gosling, although they told him of the offer verbally.

And it could now  be that Everton and Plymouth Argyle, his former clubs will lose out on £4M, with Plymouth having a sell-on clause in their initial transfer of Gosling.

When Everton signed him on January 14, 2008, they put that sell-on clause in, and if we assume that’s for 25% – then  Plymouth would get 25% of the profit Everton made on the deal.

We have no information on what Everton paid Plymouth for the player but for reasons of simplicity let’s assume it was minimal – in fact zero.

Everton would then get £3M and Plymouth £1M of the total compensation fee, if it’s set at £4M.

That’s because Plymouth were savvy enough to put that sell-on clause in his contract, unlike a certain club who sold James Milner to Aston Villa in August of 2008, and the Villa are now looking to make almost a £16M profit on James, in less than two years, and Newcastle will get nothing – nowt – zilch.

That £16M profit is thanks to the Eastlands club continuing where they left off last summer and paying way over the real value for the players they are bringing in – that’s what you do when you say you will spend £150M this summer, or whatever the figure was on transfer fees.

That £4M for Gosling is still decent money, and £1M is a lot for a small, and very good club,  like Plymouth Argyle. Clubs like Plymouth are the salt of the earth in the English leagues.

In this dispute, at least initially, the Premier League have come down on Dan Gosling’s side, and we expect the Premier League are now hearing the appeal of the Everton club, before Newcastle announce the player is joining  Newcastle on a four year deal, for more than decent wages, we may add.

Dan was getting £8K a year and Everton reportedly offered him £15K a week, but not in writing.

Although there’s nothing certain about the above figures, reports suggest Newcastle have offered Dan £25K a week, and presumably that’s true, and that’s whether or not Newcastle have to now pay compensation to the Merseyside club.

Presumably Newcastle know they may have to pay compensation if Everton win their appeal, but we expect they know that, and have decided a few million for Dan is a good investment – getting him for nothing is even better.

The decision should be made within 24 hours at the most, surely, but the Newcastle announcement may now be delayed until tomorrow, as we keep checking the Newcastle web-site to see if the deal has been officially announced.

But if Newcastle get this player for nothing – what a deal for the Tyneside club!!

Comments welcome.



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42 comments so far

  • Howay The Lads

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 PM

    Comment #1

    Everton don’t have a prayer.

    They cocked up and the Premier League will make them pay. Not our fault, not the player’s fault, bot his agent’s fault, not the PL’s fault. The blame lies directly with them

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  • TOONARMY11

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:12 PM

    Comment #2

    I feel sorry for plymouth thay cant afoord to miss out on £1 million ,but its Everton,s mistake

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  • Raffo

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #3

    Yeah it is a shame for Plymouth, but it makes a change from us getting our fingers burnt. Waddles on the .org version has mentioned boruc of Celtic is away to fiorentina and this could now pave harpers move away. Can’t say I’m all that fussed either way on harps

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  • Robby Bobson

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:30 PM

    Comment #4

    You do wonder they left it so late to get him tied down. If they really wanted him why were they only offering a contract verbally, and not offer him a new deal 12 months ago.

    So Everton fans may say he betrayed them, but he could have felt well Everton werent really dedicated to giving him a new deal.

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  • Sav

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:31 PM

    Comment #5

    Its a business, Ed. gosling and his agent are behaving as any sensible grown-up does and are taking advantage of the situation. So should we. we have been on the receiving end of enough lousey deals (Marcelino, Viana, Luque, Owen, Kluivert, Cort, Milner and on and on ) not to have to feel a slight bit of guilt over this. Our own club have made enough stupid mistakes in the past. Sympathy, yes, perhaps, but nowt else.

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  • Sav

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM

    Comment #6

    If I were Plymouth, I’d be looking into suing Everton FC for recklessness and irresponsibility, not whingeing to the Prem to get Newcastle (or whoever) to cough up.
    As they say, a verbal contract is not worth the paper its written on.

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  • GatesheadMag

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:49 PM

    Comment #7

    As much as I think Dan Goslings a good player, i wouldnt say hes any better than Guthrie. But I’d take him for nowt, theres no way i’d pay 4m. I’d like to see us spend money on the strike force, maybe someone quick who can run onto Carrolls flick ons.

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  • tom tomb

    Jul 12, 2010 at 8:57 PM

    Comment #8

    Sav at 6 well said, Not bothered about Everton they know the rules!
    Milner-I seem to remember that no one could believe we got 12m for him! He was worth 6-8 million tops at the time. No one said we were short changed then, so we should forget that. We got a good deal there, it’s all irrelevant anyway as Ashley kept the money along with Oba Martins money!

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  • Flop

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:00 PM

    Comment #9

    It makes a change for us to gain from another clubs mistake. I do feel sorry for Plymouth though, but can’t see the PL changing their decision. George Caulkin is saying that NUFC won’t make an announcement till after the appeal

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  • Howay The Lads

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:00 PM

    Comment #10

    I thought we were hard done by on the Milner deal.

    I thought he had potential and at first I heard he was sold for £16 mil which I couldn’t complain about, but then I was told he was actually sold for £12 and I was a little disappointed

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  • GatesheadMag

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:01 PM

    Comment #11

    I cant believe people dont rate Milner that highly, i think theres alot lot worse players out there than him. You know what your getting with Milner week in week out, I’d rather have told Villa to shove their 12m

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  • tom tomb

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:25 PM

    Comment #12

    We got Jonas for next to nowt remember, don’t see a great deal of difference between him and Milner. Loads of excellent graft but not a lot of end product ( for NUFC). It’s all about opinions and we are all different (thankfully). It’s not that I don’t rate Milner. I just was not that bothered about him going at that price. I as a fan like as most fans do flair, graft and end result. Mind he has done well last season but was anyone expecting that, it’s very easy to say now.

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  • ashleys wallets cobwebs

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:25 PM

    Comment #13

    gatesheadmag
    id of told them the same about milner , unfortunetly our board and owner dont share our view and i cant help but think they would do it again in a heartbeat , carroll , vuckic taylor any half decent offer and they are gone

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  • tom tomb

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:26 PM

    Comment #14

    GM at 11 you are righ,t a lot worse players out there.

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  • gorskino10

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:30 PM

    Comment #15

    They cannot get a penny because…

    A) He had NOT signed anything
    B) Everton can get compensation if he has been at there since Youth, which he hasn’t been he was a Youth at Plymouth and has only been at Everton for 2 years (which means Everton cannot even apply to make him Home Grown which could allow them to get money back but he would need to be there for over 3 years i believe!

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  • chuck

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:31 PM

    Comment #16

    Seems everyone feels sorry for Plymouth and yet it`s, you snooze you loose to Everton.
    Are there certain ethical standards for each club, is what we are doing within the law yet ethically questionable ?

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  • Robby Bobson

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:37 PM

    Comment #17

    chuck….

    why? Hes a player out of contract. Teams sign players out of contract all the time.

    Everton should have tied him down 12 months ago!

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  • Turkish Magpie

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:39 PM

    Comment #18

    i think evry1 has a high amount of respect for Plymouth after the ‘champions party’ they threw for us last season on the same day they got relegated

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  • GatesheadMag

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:40 PM

    Comment #19

    I hope we screw a lot of clubs/people over getting Gosling in, if it was other way round we would be a laughing stock on the back pages. Let put the shoe on the other foot for a change.

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  • chuck

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:42 PM

    Comment #20

    As far as Milner is concerned, he was overpriced @ £12m.
    and most fans were o`k with it.
    Is there something I dont know about this guy because the current £25m. being asked is crazy, having watched him recently play for England, I can only say there`s little improvement.
    Is it that good English players are so rare, that even mediocre ones are way overvalued ?

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  • Robby Bobson

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM

    Comment #21

    and plymouth loose a sell on fee but they still got a million pound for a 17 year old.

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  • boater

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM

    Comment #22

    Milner at 12mil remains an excellent bit of business. The current valuation of 25m is just insanity, even in the climate of gross premiums on young england internationals. That puts milner slightly above David Villa !?!? – nuff said.

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  • GatesheadMag

    Jul 12, 2010 at 9:47 PM

    Comment #23

    agree with boater, milners a good player but nowhere near david villa standard

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  • Howay The Lads

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:00 PM

    Comment #24

    New banner, Ed. Where may I ask is Jose? grrrr >:O

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  • tom tomb

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM

    Comment #25

    boater – well said.

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  • dream eater

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:10 PM

    Comment #26

    my cousin lives in ireland and he works at carton house. he rang me earlier today and reckons that he was talking to smudger. he reckons he said that the bolton player newcastle are after is fabrice muamber but bolton want him to move there as part of the deal but he doesnt know what to do!

    dunno how true it is mind!

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  • ashleys wallets cobwebs

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:22 PM

    Comment #27

    david villa was signed for nearly 34 million ? and he is turning 30 over next season

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  • geordieal

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:41 PM

    Comment #28

    Can people please stop whinging about the 12 million we got for milner, who seriously thinks he was worth that, yeah he was good and ran his socks off, but I thought it was a good price, now some silly sod from citeh wants to pay more than double for him when looking at him in the world cup proves there isn’t one England player at the minute who is worth anywhere near that. One cross at the world cup that was decent, and thats it. That’s not a player that’s supposedly worth nearly 30 million, we got a good deal, yeah villa is getting a better one but who could have seen that someone would pay more for an average player.

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  • ashleys wallets cobwebs

    Jul 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM

    Comment #29

    geordieal
    i think at the time 12 million seemed a decent deal , but he is much more than average now mate imo , can play just about anywhere , great at dead balls , final pass , cross and shot has improved 10 fold , i thought he improved under keegan but did i see this much improvement ? no, dont think anyone could

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  • geordieal

    Jul 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM

    Comment #30

    Ashleys
    agree he has improved, but he still not worth anywhere near what citeh wanna pay, all these supporters going on about why we didn’t put sell on clauses in his contract is ridiculous, because he is English and grafts people think he is world class, it’s a joke. Villa are gettin a great deal but only cos citeh have a billionaire owner who doesn’t care what they spend on players, as long as other teams don’t have the supposed best players, if he is worth all this money, how much for Stephen Ireland, and he is not even in their team any more.

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  • chuck

    Jul 12, 2010 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #31

    Asleys wallet
    You cant be serious , Milner and his former team-mate Barry were an embarrassment in S/Africa, one constantly ran into traffick like
    he did at Newcastle, the other was as slow as molasses.
    If this is England`s best, you guys are in deep shit !

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  • chuck

    Jul 12, 2010 at 11:50 PM

    Comment #32

    I cant believe any manager would get rid of Steve Ireland, possibly the best playmaker come goalscorer in the EPL and replace him with an unimaginative plodder like Milner, who has progressed little since his teenage breakthrough at Leeds.
    Just unbelievable !

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  • boater

    Jul 13, 2010 at 12:44 AM

    Comment #33

    AWC – you’re right D Villa was just over 30mil euro. but he’s still 28 and possibly the best current finisher in world football. Compare that to Milner – an honest workhorse grafter in a steve stone mould. I mean howay noo.

    Chuck – very true. City are hoovering up the players on everyone’s lips, and giving scant thought to building a team,, it’s another superstar graveyard in the chelsea mould. Ireland is a much more penetrative, explosive attacking player – but familiarity breeds contempt eh and Milner must look like a a shiny new toy for them to play with. But as with all spoilt brats – it’ll end in tears.

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  • Brutooon

    Jul 13, 2010 at 1:04 AM

    Comment #34

    i dont care how much we pay but he is a GOOD PLAYER (and young)

    GET HIM!

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  • StuW

    Jul 13, 2010 at 1:50 AM

    Comment #35

    Everton’s loss is our gain. Everton didn’t follow the rules, and get punished. Gosling became a FREE AGENT before signing for us, therefore Everton don’t have a leg to stand on. Even for 4m, it’s a good deal for us.

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  • Sav

    Jul 13, 2010 at 2:56 AM

    Comment #36

    If we were buying him, I’d want to see him recovered from his ACL injury and running freely again before shelling out 4 million. And we’ll have paid out half a million in wages before he ever kicks a ball for we in January.

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  • Davies

    Jul 13, 2010 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #37

    Ed, I seem to recall you grasping this a while ago, and even agreeing in one of your articles. We’d only have got £8m for Milner with a sell on clause. The extra £4m we got without having one is more than we would get when Villa sell him. Stop using this as an exapmple of bad business. We made more money by not having that sell on clause. It was VERY good business.

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  • derekm

    Jul 13, 2010 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #38

    it was keegan that told ashley that milner was worth only 7 million and then threw a wobbly when he went for twelve. good lad milner but nowhere near the valuation that he may go to manc for!

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  • moonraker

    Jul 13, 2010 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #39

    £12 m for Milner at the time was good business and if citeh want to pay £25m for him good luck to them cos he aint worth that to anyone else! By the way Ed, get Jose on your banner; he’s gonna be a Toon legend!!

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  • Solaidback

    Jul 13, 2010 at 3:17 PM

    Comment #40

    Any player is only worth the amount someone else is willing to pay for them, so us selling Milner at £12m is what Villa wanted to pay for him, good deal for us at the time, now Villa put a £25m on his head & if Manc Al Citey want him, they’ll pay it, otherwise he’ll stay at Villa, simple as that really!!!

    As for players who’re over priced, I hear that Real are willing to pay Cessepool £30m for Gerrard who’s nearly 31 & only has about 2-3 years left in him at most, so is he worth that price tag at that age???

    As for the Toffee’s, they’re going to find this very hard to chew, (excuse the pun) but if the PL don’t make us give them any compensation, they may have to cough up money to Plymouth anyways if it was in the contract!!! Also, if a player is worth £4m & gets away for nowt, the compensation won’t be £4m, it’ll be a % of that amount, so if we do have to pay anything, it’ll be a round 25% 🙂

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