German Club May Beat Newcastle In Race For Ben Arfa

Newcastle may be about to step out of the race to sign French International Hatem Ben Arfa.

Ben Arfa – could be going to 1899 Hoffenheim

The Marseilles midfielder will apparently cost £6M for an outright transfer and it looks like Newcastle are trying to get him on loan for a season with an option to buy next summer.

That season long loan deal would cost Newcastle £500K by all reports, but of course if the French club can get an outright deal they would take it.

One problem is that there are reports that German club 1899 Hoffenheim are very interested and they appear to be ready to buy the player having already held meetings with Ben Arfa. They seem to have the money too.

The club was in the fifth division in Germany in 2000, and made a rapid advance to the top-flight of Bundesliga in 2008, and still have  the financial backing of alumnus and software big shot Dietmar Hopp.

He was one of the founders of SAP AG back in 1972, with other former IBM employees Hans Werner Hector, Klaus Tschira, Claus Wellenreuther and Hasso Plattner.

That could mean the £6M fee for 1899 Hoffenheim is not a problem for them – but it could well be too much for the famous Newcastle United club, with transfer money scarce on Tyneside this summer.

The Hoffenheim coach Peter Ziedler is quoted as saying:

“We were immediately on the same wavelength. Hatem made a good impression on us and we absolutely want him.”

Show offs.

If this news is indeed all true, we’d be surprised if Newcastle can make a deal for the 23 year-old – but you never know.

Comments welcome.

66 comments so far

  • JerseyGeordie

    Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 AM

    Comment #1

    at 6 mil i’m not bothered if we don’t get him. 6 mil is not much for a top class talent, but then he is not a top class talent. Like i’ve said before, if he had the same track record at chelski and citee vs lyon and OM most of you would be slaggin him off. But some ppl always overreact on foreign player hype. He may yet become a star but to say it’s certain is a bit much. Hind sight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to look at a success story and take the piss out of the club for not getting a deal done, while at the time it was uncertain how successful the player might become. Fact is you gotta weigh the risk vs the reward, more so now than ever with funds being tight. If CH and co. don’t think the risk is worth the reward and back off, then i’ll give em credit for standing firm. Lest us not forget that there is a reason why his price has dropped so much in 3 years and there’s a reason why we are talking about newcastle and hoff for this “world class” player at a “mere” 6mil. He can’t even find a place in the french league for gods sake.

  • ginkoh

    Aug 6, 2010 at 5:59 AM

    Comment #2

    Nothing surprise at all. But if the report is true. we cannot sign him with little 6m price tag, It show that Ashley don’t want to invest and give financial support anymore this season.

    Maybe Hoffenheim is bigger club than Newcastle nowaday (feel sad about it). But whatever happen Ben Arfa will come to us or not, It’s not the end of the world and I think we’ll be fine this season.

  • bobby martins

    Aug 6, 2010 at 6:39 AM

    Comment #3

    Hi Ed guess it would be better to stop givin this ben arfa saga anymore coverage until theres somthin official from both clubs cos its been draggin a wee bit too much….yes he is an entertainin prospect just the type of player tat was in the mould of the KK entertainer years but from a reporter and reader view its better to first report any interest then discussion and finally an official annoucement….other than initial interest Its been just fantasy talk much like cleverly and the scottish guy who landed up at middlesborough….i dont wanna get my excitement up for nuthin….

  • JerseyGeordie

    Aug 6, 2010 at 7:01 AM

    Comment #4

    ed is just tryin to keep us imformed(at 5am no less) if you only want to know when the deal is done you can just look for the headline. Ed keep up the good work. I was absolutely miserable when you shut this blog down…

  • Seabass

    Aug 6, 2010 at 7:20 AM

    Comment #5

    I think its strange how a footballer can be labeled with the problem tag at such a young age. The guy is 23 ffs. HE might grow up you know

  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 6, 2010 at 7:27 AM

    Comment #6

    Seabass that’s a bit naive isn’t it ? 23 isn’t a kid and I’m damn sure people like Barton were creating havoc at that age.

  • davybtoon

    Aug 6, 2010 at 7:36 AM

    Comment #7

    The trouble is that is old news from the start of the week, n the fact that no knows if we r tryin for a loan or Permanent deal wht I’ve heard is hoffenhiem hav always been prepared to pay the problem they hav is the lad told is club he wants the move to us, also they rejected a 4m bid but had to come bk to us to reach a comprise boz of arfa instance on a move to england one thing is for sure if its not done today we won’t get him

  • JerseyGeordie

    Aug 6, 2010 at 7:46 AM

    Comment #8

    that quote was from yest afternoon. Hardly old. Truth is OM is going to hold out for the best deal so unfortunately this could go on for another week. We will always have a chance so long as he wants to be here and there are plenty of reports that suggest that.

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 6, 2010 at 8:52 AM

    Comment #9

    NO Jersey Geordie, Davybtoon is correct, I read that quote at the weekend, and the trouble is people just keep rolling old quotes out!! and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

    Ben Arfa is NOT coming to Newcastle ….Period!!

    Can we just let this crappy rumour lie now please.

    I would indeed be surprised if we bring anyone else in before January……….we are overstocked with midfielders….we have six strikers….we have ample Centre halves……maybe just maybe we may get a left back on loan, thatll be it……

    Its all logic to me……..thre years now the fat lad has had the club and in all those three years, he has followed the same pattern…..January is when he does his minimal spending!!!!

    Must be something to do with end of year accounts!!

    We are destined to be a low mid table team for as long as the fat lad is in charge, but he doesnt mind that. Minimal outgoings for maximum incomings………

    His target will be try n stay in EPL. 😉

  • Partizan

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:03 AM

    Comment #10

    Angryman….100 % agree with you.

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:06 AM

    Comment #11

    Funny how the Anti-Ashley brigade turn up when things aren’t going there way isn’t it…. I mean there wasn’t a peep out of them until this sage hit the news…

    We’ve bid £4m for the guy, which is what CH thinks he’s worth & OM have said they want more, it’s like Manc Ali Citey bidding £24m for Milner because that’s what they think he’s worth but the Villians want £30m… that’s how it works, its not that Ashley hasn’t put up any money, we were forewarned months ago that we didn’t have any ‘plans for capital outlay this summer’ so why now are people starting to have a pop at Ashley because he’s not putting up the £6m OM want for this player, an unknown quantity in the PL, he’s had bad reports re his attitude but still some fans want to waste £6m on him,…

    As I’ve said before, if as a fan you’re willing to pay double for your season tickets & merchandise, then maybe we’d have more transfer money but no, you want everything for nothing & expect others to pay for it, well in today’s football society, it doesn’t work that way I’m afraid, we don’t have the wealth that Manc Ali Citey have, so just get use to it & stop harping on about old stuff, it’s boring now!!!

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #12

    ben arfa is no doubt a good player, but i cant remember seeing a more one footed player, he cant use his right foot to pass or shoot at all, yet defenders when you watch clips of him, get caught out all the time, i am also beginning to wonder if the english game would suit him, as in france you get time on the ball, which he seems to enjoy, in england he would get closed down quickly, i think he would takes ages to adapt, alot of people say he is similar in playing style to robert, but hes not, robert could put balls in the box from any angle, he was a superb crosser of the ball, something ben arfa isnt, his main attribute is his unbelievable dribbing skills

  • Moreno

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:30 AM

    Comment #13

    What are the major criticisms ex-Newcastle managers receive?
    Always signing players at ridiculous prices that dont work out, I caould name a few but would be here all day!
    This is a gamble, and we don’t have room to take gambles right now. He wants to come here which is fantastic and the fact we are playing xisco on the left in pre-season shows frailties!
    On the flip side, one good season could double his value and Mike could be rubbing his hands together flogging him for 12 million to someone!

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #14

    Well I’m giving up on expecting to see him ro anyone else come into the squad now before we play the Mancs… 🙁

    If CH gets anymore players in, then great, otherwise I’m happy with what we have, even if it’s not as strong a side as I’d like to see, its still a side who’ll keep us up this season & we can strengthen it next season hopefully 🙂

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #15

    solaidback, if we dont sign anyone else i think we should start to worry personally, since last season we have lost butt, pancrate, hall, and have got campbell, gosling, and perch to replace them, so in terms of squad numbers we are no better off really, i think we still need 2 additions, a winger is an absolute must, and a striker with pace. And gosling aint gonna be fit till next year, and campbell aint fit now, so we are quite short in my opinion,

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #16

    and also if we dont sign anyone else, spending only 1.5m (apx) after coming up from the championship, is nothing short of disgraceful, i know with the current financial climate money is tight, fair enough, but where has all the money gone from selling given, n’zogbia, beye, bassong, martins, duff etc and also from gaining promotion, no-one can say relegation hit us that hard, parachute payments aswell, i think mike ashley could of at least come up with 7-10m, its not alot of money really

  • Colombus

    Aug 6, 2010 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #17

    Please CH! If we fail to land Ben Arfa we should jump for the chance to get Jose Sosa from Bayern! He has been my preferred choice all the way and he is appaerently available for about 3-4 million euros. I really hope CH is aware of him. He would be our third argie in the squad and would add the creativity we need! Can play on either wings and also as a creative mid. Has also been used as a striker. Get in! 😉 Jose Sosa and a quality striker and we would be ready!

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #18

    colombus, surely hughton would be aware of an good south american players because of collo and jonas

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #19

    Geordielad – All the money for selling all those players you mentioned went to pay off debt, we all know that already, thats old ground mate… it was spent on paying the current players wages while we were in the fizzy & to replay losses totally £70+m that we’ve accured in the past 2 season, thats all been explained….

    I know were haven’t sign many players but we have promoted 5 young lads from the reserves to the 1st team, so that’s given us some extra strength in the team from last season so that’s why I’m na bothered anymore, I’m litterally fed-up of all this crap about who’s coming in, who we want in & why hasn’t Ashley put his hand in his pocket bo!!ocks to be honest.. so as I said, if we get any, all well & good, if not, then heyho!!!

  • Wright

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #20

    If newcastle don’t add another player i feel we will be struggling we have a average squad if routledge were to get injured who would play there
    we need quality and this guy djalo yilmaz or any others we mightare linked with Ashley needs invest some money in the club
    however for what he is availible for i agree with columbus that jose sosa would be a quality signing all we would need after that would be a pacey striker

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #21

    its all well and good promoting 5 players from the youth team etc, but they have to be good enough, and vuckic is the best of them, and instead of playing against deportivo, hughton played him against luton, how is he going to improve if hes not given a proper chance, hughton says he will get playing time next season, but it will just be 10 mins here and there, i would give the lad a proper chance or loan him out. Out of the kids we have we have vuckic, kadar, ranger, and maybe tavernier that are good enough, donaldson is very average, and the rest are nowhere near ready, people mention adjei, he is about 2 years away from prem level from what i have seen, same with inman. Its ok having decent younsters, but you have to give them a chance to shine, kadar was really good every time he played, but yet never got a run in the side.

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #22

    against deportivo we could have given both ranger, vuckic and tavernier 45 mins, it would have done them the world of good, hughton said he wanted to build xisco, best’s fitness up, play them against luton, it will build their fitness up and they will score goals, all the better for them!

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #23

    The youngster will get their chances but they’ve just come into the 1st team, so you can’t expect them to get in the 1st eleven straight away, they’ll be used sparringly at first to make their mark & then more & more when injuries start to build…. you can’t expect them just to be thrown in agains Manc Usa & not be able to do anything, that alone would knock them back in confidence when you need to slowly build that confidence bit by bit!!!

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #24

    It seems we haven’t missed out on Cleverly has he’s not going out on loan now & will stay at Mancs Usa –

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #25

    Where di i say that Ashley hasnt bid…more to the point where did you find out that we have bid 4 million for Ben arfa?

    If you are gonna criticise our opinions because we dare tell it how we see it, get all your facts right bonny lad.

    I say how i see, nothing more nothing less. I dont want trophy signings and i dont want the club to sign players on their names alone.

    What i want is our owner to back the Manager to the hilt to bring in the right players and put is ample pie holding hands, into is very shallow pockets and give the Manager Money if he needs it in THIS transfer window not the next…….

    I maintain to this day, the Man has done absolutley nothing for this club yet, nothing…..go on i dare you to come back at me with cleared debt blah blah blah and got us promoted…………..pleeeeeeease make my day punk!!!

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #26

    I dont expect them to be thrown in against man utd, but they need games, otherwise they might aswell go on loan to the championship, ranger is a better player than both xisco and best, he actually has pace, and can hold the ball up, i mean both should have been more involved in pre-season when results arent as important, to get them used to playing against good sides,

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #27

    one minute when chris mort was at the club, he said ashley had cleared the debt etc, then all of a sudden we were millions in debt again, blah blah, i still dont think ashley paid any of the debt off, or has paid cash up front for the players he has signed, its all just a big smoke screen, i think he bought the club, seen how much hidden debt there was, because he didnt do due-dilligence (fat idiot) and has slowly ran the club into the ground since, sold our best players, and bought average ones, he has made so many terrible decisions its frightening

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #29

    Angryman – it seems you already have all the answers, yeah he did take on all the debt, yeah he did put his hand in his pocket & got us players last Jan for teh promotion push, yeah he did stop us going the way that Pompey went but still you think he should just put that aside, not worry about aquiring more debt, like some other clubs & spend all his wealth on buying players & put our wages in the top bracket again, a bit like FFS did!!!

    From my guessing, you’d rather have had FFS still at the helm & be £200m in debt than have a club that’s in the black so to say, just because he would spend money on wasted premadona, pay them stupid wages & get nothing in return!!

    So if you have all the answers, you tell me this, what did the TOON have under FFS & Hall, that we haven’t had under Ashley???

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #30

    rknufc its a very unreliable website, and that was posted yesterday, i dont believe a word of it really, we paid more than 500,000 to loan harewood, it would be pointless even making the offer, it would be closer to 1.5m for one season really

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #31

    Geordielad – Now you’re being silly, if that was the case re the debt, then it would have shown in the end of year accounts, which is doesn’t, so no use bring that very old wives tale up again, you’ll just start Angryman off on another rant 🙂

    The debt we have now is from the 2 years of losses acquired due to a very bad year in the PL & the seeason we spent in the Fizzy, I believe it was £37.5m & £32m, plus the losss of TV revenue, the shortage in attendancies & all those who stopped buy merchandise from the club in their revolt against Ashley…

    So at present we stand, not included the £110m+ we owe Ashley himself, we have around £80m+ debt to clear via the extra revenue we’re getting by being back in the PL, now thats logic Angryman, not fiction….

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #32

    solaidback I think you have gone under the ashley brainwash mate, yeah i agree about the transfer policy, not signing players over 28 on long contracts etc, because there is no resale value, investing in youth, getting the right type of players at the club, but cant forget the keegan, wise stuff aswell, and if im correct that was his fault, and if it hadnt happened we wouldnt have been relegated, we should have built a team round given, milner, bassong etc, not had to sell them, he has ran the club into the ground. You say he put his hand in his pocket last jan, he only spent about 4m or something WOW!!! he has sold about 40 million of talent, that generally ends with relegation, we should have kept milner, given, n zogbia until the end of the season, then sold them if they really wanted to leave, i for one say there is no way we would have been relegated if we had done that

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #33

    figures can be easily moved round, all you need is a decent accountant, look at real and barca, the released debt figure statement, and the actual figure with the hidden debts etc, about 100m difference

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #34

    Solaid back,
    May refer you back to my post??
    And this time read it nice and slowwww as you obviously didnt understand a word of it??

    Waht you have responded is the exact opposite of what I said….oh dear. Rather highly strung little being you arent you.

    The funniest thing in your rant is the quote
    “be £200m in debt than have a club that’s in the black so to say” PMSL

    I obviously know a little bit more than you my friend!!!

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #35

    Geordielad – I’m not brainwashed by Ashley, I just understand that under FFS, we would have been relegated, Administrated & Liquidated within a season, as he had us so far in debt, that we would have been owrse off than Leeds & Pompey put together…
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy that we have a owner who’s a billionaire & isn’t spending multi-millions on players we’d love to see but then on the other hand, if once he’s spent all that money decides he’s no longer interested & wants to sell up with the club owing him those 100’s of millions, what would happen??? well we may well see that happen very soon, as Chelski is that club, what if Abraovich decides to cash in, they owe him around £500m & aren’t worth anywhere near that, same with Manc Usa, they’re around £800m in debt now & the Glazers owe around £1.1b, so unless someonw who can spend that sort of money comes along, they’re not going to survive long either…

    I’ve seen the reports about teh Chinese looking at buying Cessepool & wish it was us they were buying but it’s a pipe dream, we have a owners who rich enough to do lots of things but I think what he’s doing with us is the right thing for football in general, cutting back, not overspending & hopefully in 3-5 years time, we’ll be all sorted & not a club who’s up to their necks in debt… just my pipe dream 🙂

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #36

    You are 100% correct.

    As a bsuiness man myself, i know all about “window dressing” and to be honest, fenwicks couldnt have done a better job than the fat lad and the crook up at St james’!!

    I mean come on……so laid back, this Billionaire gadgie didnt even do due dilligence….FFS…my 6 year old daughter (who is on the gifted and talented register for her academics of Northumberland, I hasten to add) wont buy an ice lollie of Mr Eddy until she’s looked at the wrapper to see if its okay and intact! 😉

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #37

    Angryman – Rather highly strung little being you arent you, no way mate, check the name lol

    I’ve read your post, it doesn’t saying anything apart from giving your opinions which you’re entitled too, as am I, which is what I’m giving if thats ok with you??

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions & banter, not everyone is going to agree with everyone else but to say ‘I obviously know a little bit more than you my friend!!!’ is a little arrogant wouldn’t you say, unless of course, you’re either Ashley himself, Llambias or CH, so which one is it?? otherwise you just read the same crap-loid articles we do my friend!!!

  • Solaidback

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #38

    Well Angryman, Ashley’s obviously a better businessman than you, as he’s a billionaire & your not, so who’s doing the right thing, him or you???
    Maybe the reason he didn’t do due-diligence was because he trusted a fellow businessman & having just gained £928m by floating his company on the stock exchange, he didn’t really care if there were some debt that wasn’t shown upfront??? who knows, only Ashley can tell us that little story really!!!

    The problem came when the world decided to go into recession & his personal fortune was decimated along with loads of other billionaires, so he decided to cut back & the Toon suffered for that, who didn’t, Chelski stopped buy £30m players too & from my recollection, still aren’t buying players of that value unless I missed something!!!
    The recession would have hit you too Angry Man unless your business is debt collecting.. lol

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #39

    solaidback I totally agree 100% that everyone has their own opinions, thats the whole point in this blog, my opinion is no more right than your, its just another persons opinion, i think all of us want the same, the good old days, attractive football, champions league etc, its a long way down the line, but if we build slowly, i think it can happen again, im just going to get behind the lads, and hope we can stay up comfortably next season, and build from there

  • geordielad880

    Aug 6, 2010 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #40

    he was incredibly lucky, he bought a buisness at the right time, he had been shown up as the terrible businessman that he is since then, if he had invested the money from the milner sale, we probably wouldnt have gone down, instead he does a shady deal and we end up nacho donkey on loan, we are millions extra in debt because of him


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