The Newcastle Formation Is Not Important – Points Are


It’s hardly a surprise to see that Chris Hughton today says he could play a 4-5-1 formation at home today against Aston Villa.

Chris Hughton will play 4-5-1 at home today

In fact that’s the formation we expected him to start with and leave Peter Lovenkrands on the bench, at least until he sees just how good Aston Villa are.

This is what he told The Sunday Sun today when asked if he would start that formation at home:

“Yes, I would most definitely be prepared to play 4-5-1.” “The thing you have to be in the division is adaptable because of the quality of the teams you are up against.”

“I would have no problem playing that system at home. I don’t see us always playing two high out and out strikers at home,” “You know when you play the top teams you can’t afford to be as open as 4-4-2 will sometimes leave you.”

“Consequently, teams will adapt their formation to cope.” “And some of the top teams don’t play 4-4-2. Manchester United don’t, haven’t for a while.” “4-4-2 is certainly a tougher system to play at this level if you have not got the best players.”

Hughton seems to think that 44-2 is not all that different from 4-5-1 depending on where Kevin Nolan plays of course, or even where Peter Lovenkrands plays when he’s on the field.

The amin difference in when Peter is on the filed you have two out and out goal scorers up front in Andy and Peter.

Chris continued:

“If Peter Lovenkrands had been fit and played exactly the same role as Kevin Nolan on Monday, people would have perceived that to be 4-4-2,”

“No, the game will be dictated by chances and philosophy of trying to win a game.” “You can try to win a game with 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1.”

“There have been no complaints when Chelsea were playing 4-3-3 week-in, week-out and winning every week.” “It’s not really about a system, it’s about a philosophy of play.”

We don’t care too much about what formation Chris plays, because we know the manager will be trying to get the full 3 points today.

With West Ham and Wigan both looking absolutely hopeless in their first two games,  and Sunderland not faring too much better we would hope we can pick up a win today.

If we can do that and maybe announce the signing of Cheick Tiote from FC Twente, we’ll be in good shape.

Comments welcome.


28 comments so far

  • Edd Case

    Aug 22, 2010 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #1

    CH is right to an extent and for us this season, points are everything.
    If we stay up (which we will) then next season I would suggest a formation is important.
    Tactical continuity must be important to any team who want to win.

    So, 3 points today please, even nif we grind out a 1-0.

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 22, 2010 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #2

    The master tactician!

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Aug 22, 2010 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #3

    What team won anything by playing with fear?

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 22, 2010 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #4

    I’m sure Hughton’s middle name is ”Cautious”. He is rapidly becoming a huge turn off and couldn’t be more different than a KK or SBR.

    Sadly CH is more from the Allardyces school of negative long ball football and playing any formation that accommodates Nolan.

    I hear we didn’t get Leroy Fer because he wanted 45 K a week. Fair enough but then why and go and offer to put S. Taylor on £45k a week. I know which player I’d rather have.

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  • tdt

    Aug 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #5

    I dont mind if we play 7-2-1 so long as we win! Going for a 4-4-2 is good when we’re dominating aa game but that’s not likely to be the case from the off against Villa.

    Our team’s success was built on a strong defence last season (hence the cleansheet record), so it makes sense to play to our strengths and play primarily defensively.

    —————-Harper——————

    R.Taylor–Williamson–Coll–Enrique

    —————-Smith——————–

    Routledge–Batron–Nolan–Jonas

    —————-Carroll—————–

    Subs: Krul, Perch, Kadar, Guthrie, Lua Lua, Lovenkrands, Ranger.

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  • stoner

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #6

    I just want Chris H to understand he has a responsibility to the fans (customers) to play in a manner that we all want!
    His defencive view in play and interviews makes my blood boil, I feel taken for granted as a supporter. I just want positivity and pride, we want to be kept in the loop with what’s going on and I think he is that weak that he doesn’t know himself.
    Come on remember we are fans and customers and don’t take us for granted!

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  • noir9

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #7

    @4, so we are now taking stories that appear in the NoW as fact are we? They also say our wage limit is £40k pw but we’ve supposedly offerd staylor £45k?!
    It will be interesting to see where Hughton plays that french lad if we ever manage to sign him.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #8

    I have a feeling that Smith won’t be in the line up today.

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  • Geordie-Gerrard7

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #9

    I have heard that Ben arfa is definitely in toon, and talks broke down last friday. I hope it’s wrong as we really need him, but on the flip side I have heard try are waiting to announce hba and tiote along with another player on Monday or Tuesday, but that just seems like rumours. Anyway, as for the kpb deal, both Forster n Taylor rejected going to Pompey, Taylor looks set to join Bolton or qpr. And Forster is going to Celtic and he held talks to finalise a deal last night.

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  • MickyD

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #10

    tdt

    good team like the formation but at home i would go with

    —————-harper——————

    rtaylor—colo—-willi——-enrique

    —————-guthrie——————

    rouledge—–barton———-jonas–

    ————-carroll—loven———–

    more pace in the team this way and we have to out and out wide men to spray the ball into the path off carroll and lovenkrands plus guthrie is a good passer of the ball mand he to can spray the ball out wide to are wings
    ————–

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  • dave 1961

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #11

    I have doubts about 4-5-1 as when we played that in the coca cola teams out played us every game, and we did not improve until the crowd got restless and Hughton was forced to revert to 4-4-2 villa will love us to play 4-5-1 and it will give them confidence, so I think it’s a dodgy one, it’s just drained my confidence for today’s game, I was thinking 2-0 now I’m not so sure.

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  • batty

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #12

    wot the fu k have some bottle 442 man

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #13

    Just changing Lovenkrands for Smith changes the whole outlook. Rather than hoping to hang on for draws you impose yourself on the opposition and link up play, rather than being stretched and hoofing it from back to front .

    I’m sure we played Carroll and Lovenkrands together a lot last year and had a fair bit of success. Why go all ultra defensive now ?

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  • MickyD

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #14

    http://www.aggbot.com/docs/link.php?id=10584786&r=s&c=48

    think messi been smoking sumik he aint supposed to after reading this haha

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #15

    Micky D – that looks a good line up. Spot on.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #16

    Noir i heard it on twitter actually. You have to wash your hands after reading the NOTW !

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  • Ben Arfa in toon

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #17

    Omg Andy Grays prediction for todays game — is this the first time he has’nt slated us– HWTL

    Newcastle v Aston Villa

    Having to travel to Old Trafford first up is always tough for a newly-promoted side but you have to take positives out of football matches and Newcastle can look back at that match and just accept that the hosts were outstanding and would have beaten virtually any other team in the world playing like that. Besides, they’ve now got one of the toughest fixtures in football out of the way and can focus on getting something from a far more winnable one.

    This is a decent Newcastle squad, or at least it’s better than that of the other two newly-promoted teams, but they’ll need their experienced men like Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton to lead by example. You can’t expect the likes of Andy Carroll, who is relatively new to this league, to start winning matches by himself, or at least not this early on in the season, so the guys who know what this league is all about are the ones who need to stand up and be counted.

    It’s been a lively couple of weeks at Villa Park. The departure of Martin O’Neill was followed by a 3-0 win over West Ham, which was followed by the sale of James Milner, and arrival of Stephen Ireland. As things stand Kevin MacDonald is the man in charge and it was nice to see midweek that he has the full support of senior players such as club captain Stiliyan Petrov.

    This match is a good example of both teams seeing a share of the points as a decent return for their afternoon’s work and my instinct is that’s what they’ll get.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #18

    MickyD, Well that’ll lift Jonas up for today’s game.

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  • batty

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #19

    messi sign for arsenal and talk wenger into swapping fab for gutti

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  • MickyD

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM

    Comment #20

    GEORDIEGERMAN

    it sure will but i think its a bit far fected saying hes just as good as rooney and co mate hehe

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  • tdt

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #21

    Not sure if guthrie and lovenkands will be fit enough to start, hope they are but duno.

    If they are:

    ——————-Harper——————–

    R.Taylor–Williamson–Coll–Enrique

    ——————–Barton——————

    ————–Guthrie—-Nolan————–

    Routeledge—————————Jonas

    ——————–Carroll—————–

    Subs: Krul, Perch, Smith, Lua Lua, Vuckic, Lovenkrands, Ranger.

    Or

    ——————-Harper——————–

    R.Taylor–Williamson–Coll–Enrique

    ——————–Barton——————

    Routeledge—————————Jonas

    ——————–Nolan——————-

    ——-Lovenkrands—–Carroll———

    Subs: Krul, Perch, Smith, Lua Lua, Vuckic, Guthrie, Ranger.

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  • noir9

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #22

    If you play lovenkrands where nolan played on monday night it would look like a very positive line-up. I’d actually like to see routledge given a crack at that role.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #23

    MickyD, Erm, did you see Rooney in the W.C. I don’t think Jonas played any worse.

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  • Geordie-Gerrard7

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #24

    Has messi been on a coke fueled binge with maradonna?

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  • GeordieGerman

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #25

    Hey which PL team is Maradonna meant to be going to manage?

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  • Ericles

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM

    Comment #26

    So, here we go. Villa know what we will do before we even kick off. CH will stick with Nolan and Smith and become more fossilised than than ever. Andy Gray is right – we are too predictable, too unimaginative, still too much a Championship side. CH is playing us intobeing the favourite kicking boys of the TV and media pundits. I was really warming to CH as a coach but now I feel and see a cold wind and fog moving up the Tyne with the way we are going – or not going.

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  • Ericles

    Aug 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #27

    We must get a good result against Villa. We must be adventurous and proactive. A long ball and little wing play to support Carroll will be useless. And play Lovenkrands too – let us have some skill at least.

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  • baro

    Aug 22, 2010 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #28

    I think the 4-1-4-1 would be good just because of the style of our players.

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