Hughton Tries To Explain What Happened Against Stoke

Chris Hughton had the unenviable task of trying to explain to Newcastle fans after today’s game,  what exactly happened to Newcastle in the second half of the game against Stoke City.

Chris Hughton – we learned a lesson today – but what was it?

Chris says that Newcastle learned a lesson today – but we’re not sure what lesson they learned in their second home defeat in a row.

The side seemed to throw all 3 points out of the window in that terrible second half,  when they seemed to choke as a team.

This is what Chris Hughton told Sky Sports after the game:

“We perhaps needed to do more to go and win the game and we did not.” “At times our final ball let us down, we did not test a back four that is very strong, didn’t test them enough and I think we have perhaps learnt something today.””We are now playing in a lot tougher league than we were last season,”

“We knew that there were going to be lows. We knew we’re going to lose more games than what we did last season and it is about picking up this group of lads, having that same belief that we have had in the last couple of games and going into the next games and learning the valuable lessons that we have to learn from each game.”

We were expecting to hear that we will not get too down after a defeat and too up after a win, and we’re really not sure what Chris is trying to say.

But let’s put things straight, for the second time in two home games the team has let down the Newcastle fans, and it’s not good enough to lose all 6 points against teams we should be beating if we are to survive in the Premier League this season.

The team has been like a yo-yo all season – great one week poor the next, great in one half (as they were in the first 45 minutes today), and then very poor in the second – and we now have no idea which team will turn up for next Sunday’s game at Eastlands.

We suggest the players sort themselves out this week in training and every player who started today’s game should have his place under threat – and that’s not only good – but we have to hope that Chris makes some changes for the game at Manchester City a week today.

Today Newcatsle were just not good enough – it’s just that simple

The only thing Stoke City can do is throw high balls and corners in to the opposing penalty area, and they even gave Newcastle a beark in that first half by not even turning up for this game.

And when Stoke were Stoke in the second half and threw high balls and corners in to the opposing penalty area, Newcastle looked as though they were really surprised by that, and even became panicky in defense.

The fact that Newcastle trained since Thursday on how to defend high balls and corners into their own penalty area makes us wonder what they were doing during that training, and in the final 45 minutes.

It wasn’t playing good defensive football – that’s for sure.

Comments welcome.

41 comments so far

  • john_cena163

    Sep 26, 2010 at 10:52 PM

    Comment #1

    V need to beat man city.
    Sub. Carrol, pearch,smith,joe,ole,ranger

  • gorskino10

    Sep 26, 2010 at 10:53 PM

    Comment #2

    Well what was wrong is we are not used to have that much of the ball in some points of the game we had over 75%, we needed to bulk up the Wingers to help out the LB/RB and then give Stoke the ball and let them attack (hopefully) clear every charge it will leave them fustrated and then do (what they did to us) and hit them on a Counter because we are BOTH counter teams using height and both have solid defences , so we had to play them at their own game (which they did to us) i mean this is simple tactics if stoke play Counter then you MUST PLAY THEM at the counter game WHICH we didnt i swear Hughton may be a good Man mangement but NOT on tactics he needs to get someone in who HAS clue on WHO to sub on/off and where to place them and how to beat any team they face, Taking off Arfa and Tiote was stupid but hey that is Hughton irratic one week we sing his praises next he does some amataur mangement like today and gets all the negitive reviews, we are Hit/Miss due to him.

  • gorskino10

    Sep 26, 2010 at 10:56 PM

    Comment #3

    Wrong, Ameobi is one of those he does a good game 1 in every 20 he had his good game at Chelsea.

    i would play.

    Taylor-williammson -colocini-enrique

    Carrol needs some people with him again he was not in it BECAUSE routledge was the joint worst player on the pitch with Perch, and we only came down Jose/Arfa’s side which isnt enough you need both to have a more unexpected attack and with a guy who will run around and is tall and strong Ranger will do well, he needs playing.

  • john_cena163

    Sep 26, 2010 at 10:57 PM

    Comment #4

    Or arfa can play in center n jonas on wing.

  • john_cena163

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM

    Comment #5

    Groski- agree bt i would lyk to giv ameobi a chance, past 3 game carrol is quite havnt treathnd da opp team. Drop carrol 4 1 game n giv shola a chance or love.

  • Charlietoon

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM

    Comment #6

    What was disgraceful was Nolan taking the penalty. He did nothing all match but take the penalty. Andy is a big confidence player and if you give him a goal he will probably score you another and Nolan as captain should be aware of that instead of just keeping his own goal tally on the move.

  • Moreno

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:02 PM

    Comment #7

    Lads, perch and routledge are not good enough. Our right flank is so weak and playing 1 up front at home against Blackpool and Stoke is nothing more than a joke. We are easy to suss out as we play the same formation and tactics every game. We beat Chelsea, and why? No 4-5-1 predictable shite!!!

  • Howay The Lads

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:07 PM

    Comment #8

    Charlietoon, he scored. Carroll is one of those players that you know will never be good at pens.

    Rooney needs goals for Man U, but he doesn’t take pens!

    I am actually in shock you think that!

  • BengGaBoy

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:09 PM

    Comment #9

    I feel the wingers are not delivering crosses as they should be doing. On numerous occasions, attack was initiated from the middle.

    To me, Wayne has not been performing and always drift to the middle of the park. Likewise, for Ben who is holding the ball too long and endup doing a simple or back pass. Joey is sitting too deep in Newcastle half to have any effect for the attack.

    The only decent run on the wing is probably fulfill by Enrique. Newcastle has to find their home form soon or “R” game soon to be the real game.

  • marshy

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:16 PM

    Comment #10

    I would have liked ranger to come on today instead of ameobi,he is far more mobile.

  • john_cena163

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:17 PM

    Comment #11

    Wen wl simpson an dan gutt recover?

  • cgrizzly87

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:18 PM

    Comment #12

    Moreno I agree entirely!

  • darthkir

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #13

    I like CH’s man management skill but he is a poor technician. Let me list some of my points in view of this:

    ~ He is someone who likes to play safe, not bold enough to make difficult changes.
    ~ His line-up is so predictable (refer point 1)
    ~ His dependancy/loyalty in Nolan will be his undoing.
    ~ In his formation, he threw away the strength in Jonas-Enrique partnership and instead reluctant to take away the ineffective Routledge & the average Perch. Yesterday Routledge went missing in the second half. The first goal should have convinced him enough to introduce Campbell and move Coloccini to right back to counter Etherington.
    ~ Ben Arfa was effective in Nolan’s role and he like to be there more. Due to this Enrique was often left alone on the flank.
    ~ Ben Arfa was unable to provide to someone due to 1) nobody frm the left wing 2) poor Nolan & Routledge 3) Carroll was closed down often.
    ~ What has McLoven done that get him unable to get not a single start this season despite the fact the he 1) was one of our top scorer last season 2)the paciest striker we have, ?

  • darthkir

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:23 PM

    Comment #14

    sorry, I meant “poor Tactician”

  • darthkir

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:25 PM

    Comment #15

    also, what was he thinking by removing ben arfa at that point of time? i can only guess that he planned to win with only 1-0…

  • danmcclew

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM

    Comment #16

    I’m going to stick my neck out and say i actually thought we played well today. I thought we looked hungry and determined to win the game. Second half we didn’t create enough chances for a team that were behind, but i thought we passed the ball around with confidence for large parts of the game and if it wasn’t for a very resolute Stoke rearguard we would have had more goals. The game should have been wrapped up in the first half and I thought if we had just kicked on a little and grabbed a second goal before half time, we would have won easily.

    This season in the premiership is very competitive. All teams can take points from each other and its very interesting to watch. This means we are going to lose games that we are expecting to win, and win games we are expecting to lose. Lets just stick behind the lads and chris. I thought what he said above made alot of sense, we’re newbies to this league and every game, no matter what the result, will only make the lads stronger and stronger. Lets just hope they can learn from the negatives quickly, and take confidence from the positive things.

    The spirit and togetherness within the team looks great and i feel its all about turning that into goals and wins now.

  • MacToon

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:36 PM

    Comment #17

    A poor choice to take Arfa off imo, Nolan looked tired today, Routledge ran but created little, they changed their game play in the second half and we didn’t adapt or cope with it.

    “But let’s put things straight, for the second time in two home games the team has let down the Newcastle fans, and it’s not good enough to lose all 6 points against teams we should be beating if we are to survive in the Premier League this season.”


  • MacToon

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:39 PM

    Comment #18

    danmcclew, I agree but we need to take some points from the likes of our last 2 home games.

    However I’d like to think the team is playing well atm but we do need to start converting chances into goals.

  • john_cena163

    Sep 26, 2010 at 11:43 PM

    Comment #19

    Danmcc- i agree

  • toonarmy789o

    Sep 27, 2010 at 12:04 AM

    Comment #20

    gutted about the result today but this is how imagined this season plotting out were gonna have some bad results I trust hughton to keep us up it will just take him and the team some time to find their feet in a highern league

  • BeeGuy

    Sep 27, 2010 at 12:30 AM

    Comment #21

    From watching the game in the States, it seems to me that Barton was injured, perhaps stepped on (several times) and lost his pace. My evidence was that he was unwilling to take set piece kicks, and did not come forward on attack in the second half.

    Nolan, too, is playing like he is injured. He has no pace and seems to be trying to bluff his way around the pitch.

    Routledge keeps drifting into the middle and thus surrendering his pace. He is not crafty enough in the middle, he should be told. He needs to be set down and let Jonas run on that side for a game or two.

    Bad luck for Perch. Funny how Perch got several chances to win or tie the game, but I don’t think T Pulis planned ignoring him.

    Carroll showed his inexperience when he abandoned K Jones allowing the free headed goal. Carroll needs either an experienced forward to feed him, or somebody fast and clever to take his knock-downs.

    CH has a squad deeper than last year, but is not showing a willingness to use it. It would be hard to pull the captain or the creative mid-fielder Barton, and maybe lose any confidence Routledge has by sitting Routledge down, and going with less proven players, but that is what he is paid the big bucks for.

    Stoke was a winnable game but bad luck and inexperience prevailed against NUFC. One wonders if a few changes at the half would have not been for the best of players health and tghe teams fortunes. If people are playing hurt, CH must mind that he is demoralizing all the players.

  • Brutooon

    Sep 27, 2010 at 12:58 AM

    Comment #22

    CH Mistakes:

    1)Bring off Ben Arfa after 60 mins? Jonas can’t cross. Bring off Routledge then

    2)when would ryan taylor play? he score twice already and on the right opponents goal post. do we need to wait until perch score 5 own goals then replace him?

    3)Carroll is always alone up, We need a 4-4-2 at home!

    4) Ben Arfa the only winger that can cross

    5)Overconfident by CH.

  • Magickit

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:05 AM

    Comment #23


    I cannot argee anymore for your last 4 points!! same as my opinion.

    For Ryan Taylor case, I know Perch is very average. But as I remember, the def of Ryan Taylor is even worse. He is slow and too weak in body competition. But he can cross really good.

    So I think CH cannot take him as first choice of RB.

  • newfan

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:11 AM

    Comment #24

    Is it only me that I feel Ben Arfa is being wasted on the left. He often cuts inside alot and doesnt even staying on the left. Hes our most creative player and would play better in the ‘hole’ position as our playmaker in place of nolan with jonas on the left. Nolan could either play in bartons place or be dropped.

  • mashearer

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:38 AM

    Comment #25

    i cant believe anyone who criticized jonas in that game..i think he really have a fine game.good dribbling,cross is good too n create a few chance

    though i do hoped ben arfa stay on the pitch a little longer

  • Magickit

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:46 AM

    Comment #26

    Spiderman and Ben Arfa can play together !!!

    Why CH never consider this ????

  • darthkir

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:48 AM

    Comment #27


    I share your belief. When you take the game like jonas did to the oppponent, this will put pressure on the defence to fall back, thus cancelling their attacking intent.


    yes taylor is not that good in defense. But then again, with his delivery and attacking instinct, he can take the play away from the right wing area and easily change to concentration to the other flank where our threat is more visible.

  • darthkir

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM

    Comment #28

    The most worrying thing for me is that, CH fails to see the obvious which can be seen by the rest of the fans everywhere else. You can make mistakes, there is nothing wrong with that. Even the best do. But by repeating that same mistakes over and over again, that shows ignorance & incompetency. And this is definitely not good.

  • Sav

    Sep 27, 2010 at 1:57 AM

    Comment #29

    Lets face it, Ed, even in the first half, we never looked like troubling Stoke. There were hardly any goal attempts and I don’t think there was one on target. Huth gifted us the penalty. Carroll was completely ineffective. He didnt get any service whatsoever and he may not even be fully fit. He certainly wasn’t able to create something on his own.
    Houghton can’t be blameless for today’s repeat of Blackpool. And if we are relying on the much-vaunted (and overplayed) team spirit and togetherness to get us results, it has to be stronger than just reacting to whatever latest defeat. We can’t carry on lurching from zeros to heroes all season.

  • Raiks

    Sep 27, 2010 at 2:36 AM

    Comment #30

    I don’t think anyone is happy with the result vs Stoke. That’s only natural.

    But at the end of the day, we have more points than games played, are in the top half of the ladder (albeit via goal difference), have caught Everton and Aston Villa at a good time, and have got our game at Old Trafford out of the way.

    So we’ve lost 2 games a lot of people think we should have won. We’ve just got back to the Premier League and it’s a different class, so the inconsistency was bound to occur at the beginning of the season, and especially since we’ve got a few players who are experiencing the Premier League for the first time.

    We will slip up against inferior teams on paper just like better teams on paper have slipped up against us. It’s part of the game and nothing to worry about yet, we’ve only lost one game in a row… get to 4 or 5 games and we might then have something to be concerned about.

  • Bao Zheng

    Sep 27, 2010 at 5:39 AM

    Comment #31

    So, we played pretty but totally ineffective football for 45, and were gifted a goal by Huth and the ref. And were beaten in the second 45 by a workmanlike display of hoofball. We had endless good possession. Tiote basically ran the game from the middle of the park. Nobody put the ball where Carroll wants it head or feet, and if Carroll isn’t playing well Nolan isn’t either. Hatem held up the ball looking for a runner which never happened. Barton failed to get forward. While I like Hooton and am happy to have him as manager there continue to be question marks against his team selection and tactics. When he talks about ‘we’ learning lessons maybe he means himself and CC. Btw even a coroners inquest wouldn’t convince me to take Tiote off.

  • atom

    Sep 27, 2010 at 6:09 AM

    Comment #32

    I really don’t hold Hoots responsible for the loss. This one is on the players. Credit to a Stoke defense but we did little in the way of creating chances. Its like the team stopped playing and just kinda stood around and watched Ben Arfa and Tiote- expecting them to do something. It goes without saying that our home form needs to get better quickly or else it will catch up with us, especially if we do not continue to pick up points on the road.

  • darthkir

    Sep 27, 2010 at 6:25 AM

    Comment #33

    bao zheng,

    i couldnt agree more with you… we are on the same wavelength here… 🙁

  • Ericles

    Sep 27, 2010 at 6:41 AM

    Comment #34

    On the nail Sav and Darthkir. The inconsistency arises out of CH and his limited tactics. Why do we start to implode after he makes his changes during a game? When CH and the team churn out stodge we lose. When we play as we did against Chelsea there is a better result. The look on Ashley’s face during the game may tell all eventually.

  • Sawbuck

    Sep 27, 2010 at 7:21 AM

    Comment #35

    What a sickener. We’re such a bunch of drips at home.

    Hoots needs to take the lads hunting or living wild for a while because we looked like a librarian 11 out there.

  • 44881

    Sep 27, 2010 at 8:21 AM

    Comment #36

    reli sick of this…i can already observe in 45 mins but ironically theres still no changes
    putting carroll up front only is absolutely NOT ENOUGH in this game..tynside got shawcross to handle…we hve to change back to 442 by putting lova upfront….damn

    PLZ do give LOVA a chance to play…he can definitely give some aid to Carroll

    I cannot condemn Perch too much…hes up there n thats his effort…y not trying to place colo on RB n playing sol~sols fit to play n thats shown in carling cup already?!

    this time barton plays not well again…maybe putting him back to the bench for 1-2 games n release arfa to the midfield as he always cut into the midfield from the left-sided…n placing spider back to the left~coz hes the best to play wif Jose on the left

  • kimbo

    Sep 27, 2010 at 8:41 AM

    Comment #37

    As I suspected Kevin Nolan picks the team otherwise why would he be picked,he once again offered nothing to the game, except penalty,and it is like playing with 10 men.He is consistently off the pace and to slow,also why take off Tiote when he was our best player.Totally miserable again……………

  • stk85

    Sep 27, 2010 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #38

    i’ll tell u what i learnt chris,

    ben arfa is wasted on the wing, especially yesterday
    nolan, non existant, and his new role needs to be considered against these teams

    this 4 5 1 formation at home is far far far too negative, we dont seem to want to attack, nice passing and all, but its not gonna break stoke down unless we move forward

    no one got into thebox for crosses

    tiote should NEVER ever come off the field again, the guy was running the midfield, especially since kevin nolan had done sweet FA, what a jjoke that was

    just a complete joke of a game, makes u indeed wonder what theyd been doin inh training to prepare for stoke

  • Oleg G

    Sep 27, 2010 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #39

    I Love Jonas and Arfa (Now we have two players that…), they like to have the ball, they are running with and without it on the pitch. I saw Nolan yesterday, he is totaly a pupet, standing and waiting for the ball with obvious “I am here, I am open, pass to me” hand waving.

    Jonas and Arfa should play together. Toite is also very good, keeping the ball, he is a fighter, should also play.

    Rauegthledlge 🙂 is a mess. I like his speed, but there is nothing else to it. Perch – sit down! keep the bench warm.

    Barton is also like arfa and Jonas (asking the ball) but not enough. on the other hand, if you have Jonas and Arfa playing, then Barton can do the dirty work in the midfield.

    Our defence (except Perch) is good, a change here or there will not do much (Colo for Campbell etc, it is almost the same).

    Andy Carroll will be a good player in the future, but he is not good enough now, specially not alone, so maybe even Ranger can play with him in from (just to have another option).

    Nolan should also sit and come as a sub for 1-2 games.

    I don’t understand why it is always the same substitutions at the same time of the game.

  • toondra

    Sep 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #40

    what i saw during this match is that barton tries to play as a 10, with direct crosses to carrol or nolan. ben arfa asked a lot the ball who never came in the center of the miedfied, to provide the strikers.
    newcastle can play good football, why did they play so rubbish with long balls?
    last thing, it’s a mistake to substitute the players with skill when you wanna keep the result, coz they can keep the ball, it’s good for the team.


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