Newcastle A Much Better Side Once Carroll Money Spent?

Rob Lee was at Newcastle when Kevin Keegan sold Andy Cole to Manchester United in 1995 – and the Newcastle fans were furious – but that ended out OK in the end.

Rob Lee – while at Newcastle

Rob Lee, a great central midfielder for Newcastle United under both Kevin Keegan and Bobby Robson, and revered by Newcastle fans, told the Evening Chronicle today:

“If you sell your best player for £35m and it is reinvested and the manager buys well, it is a good deal.”

“I think Alan Pardew is confident he will get the money to spend – I don’t know if he will get all of it, though.”

“I hope he does.” “I hope he reinvests well and Newcastle push up the table.”

And Rob talked about what happened when Kevin sold Andy Cole, because Kevin already had Sir Les Ferdinand lined up – and other players too – and of course Les Ferdinand was just great for Newcastle with 84 appearances and 50 goals. 😀

Rob continued:

“Kevin knew who he was going to buy.”“He knew he wanted Les Ferdinand and he got him and Warren Barton, Shaka Hislop and David Ginola.”

“We spent £16m or so, and in those days it was a lot of money.”   “It made us a better team and we were close to winning things.”

Liverpool owner John Henry of  Fenway Sports Group, has today said the amount Newcastle wanted for Carroll, set what Liverpool then wanted from Chelsea for Torres.

So when Newcastle wanted £35M for Carroll – that set the price at £50M for Torres,  and Chelsea coughed up the money.

Why can’t Mike Ashley talk to Newcastle fans – and tell them what happened – like Henry has done with Liverpool fans?

Rob added:

“It’s a lot of money for a player who has played a few months in the Premier League and scored just 11 goals. It is fantastic money.”

“Potentially he could very good, and I think he will win more caps for England.”  “Whether he will go for more than £35m, I doubt it, so it is a good deal for Newcastle.”

“It will be great to see the money reinvested.”  “And what does it cost to buy a center-forward these days? A lot of money. “

“Darren Bent has just gone to Villa for £24M.”“You have to replace him, but to be fair we need strengthening in other places.”

“We are relying on Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton scoring goals.”  “Shola does not score loads when fit, Nile Ranger has not scored yet and Lovenkrands does his bit – but you need somebody to score goals. Goals win games.”

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and we’ll soon know who Newcastle bring in for the money they received for Andy.

But if £8M of that is for Stephen Ireland, assuming he can produce the form we know he is capable of – that’s £8M of the £35M very well spent indeed.

And the good news is that Ireland’s fee was set before Villa knew Newcastle had the cash from the Carroll deal – otherwise the fee would no doubt have been a lot higher.

A potential great deal for Newcastle in the summer for Stephen Ireland looms.

Rob Lee played 303  times with 44 goals while he was at Newcastle from 1992 until 2002,   and he played 703 rimes in his career with 105 goals.

He played 21 times for England with a couple of goals.

Comments welcome.

64 comments so far

  • veto

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #1

    hard to deny we wont be , im not blind to the overhype andy carroll has recived , hell toon fans are more responsible for the over inflated price than anyone , he was one of our own so his pedestal was placed that little bit higher .
    but i dont think anyone wasnt not supprised at how much he pushed on the past two seasons , i expected more from ranger then andys form came out of nowhere .
    in short , 35 mill reinvested ofc we would be a much better team , but will it be reinvested ?
    and shouldnt we have a transfer budget aswell as the 35 mill ? , our accounts are not in such bad shape anymore

  • archaeomag

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #2

    Everybody assumed spending the money on the ‘club’ is buying players
    As there is no sign of a plan or guiding intelligence at NUFC, God alone only knows what will happen next . . .

  • Hugh Jorgan

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #3

    Stoke 1 Unwashed Bottom Feeders 1

  • supermacnumber9

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #4

    Pardew puts silver lining on Carroll exit
    Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:00

    silver lining to team (heaven) to somesone’s pocket (hell)

  • Mat Nufc

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #5

    Totally agree. 35mn for a player who aren’t be playing for at least 9 weeks (from the tansfer window deadline) was indeed a good deal. Yes it is unfortunate we didn’t have time for replacement but if i recall, our target this season is stay up, which i think we will achieve. Spend wisely in the summer as we did last summer (Tiote, Gosling + Arfa).

    I believe Mike Ashley will allow Pardew to spend the right amount of money for the right player..Colo for example

  • mag1927

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #6

    If Graham Carr can find any more HBA’s or Tiote’s we could indeed be a far stronger team next year. But first we need to retain our premier league status, or the £35m will be spent keeping us afloat in the championship. Howay the lads lets turn the gunners over again!!!!

  • geoff777

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #7

    I’m confused Ed … where did you find out about the £8million transfer fee for Ireland.

    No reports I have read, including the official site have mentioned that there is a option to buy clause in Ireland’s loan agreement.

    Have you just decided that Villa will want £8million for him if so it is very misleading.

  • tdt

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #8

    Fingers crossed the money is spent in its entirety.

  • baro

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM

    Comment #9

    Now 35 million is lots and lots of money! I’m sure Graham Carr who is doing an excellent job so far has some talent up his sleeve. Just have to wait til summer but we will need to win some more matches to permanently keep our spot above bottom sides.

  • veto

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #10

    HBA has been on most clubs radar for years .
    ‘tiote’ on the other hand has came outa nowhere considering he warmed twente’s bench last season .
    having carr around does bode well for future transfers tho , hopefully he can find us a striker for cheap . i prefer these unheard of players aswell as their prices are not overinflated by hype

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #11

    I think we need to spend big n a striker – would love hulk to sign but I think we’kk stick to the bring em in young philosophy which to be honest is sensible business.

    I don’t think Carroll is the only youngster that will be worth 15-20+ in the next couple of years.

    I remember when Andy was play for a few games he wasn’t that great – didn’t score too many for a while, then rocketed.

    So just shows if you give someone a chance and stay with them they can come good. Just hope that happens with Best and Ranger as it could keep us up.

  • Oba

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #12

    Any transfer moves will be entirely dependent on whether we’re in this division next year.

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:49 PM

    Comment #13

    very true Oba, but I think we’ve enough in the tank. I hope so.

    We can get some good player on pre-contract agreements as we have money now whilst other clubs will have to sell. Should be NO excuses come the summer – I expect to see 2-3 top class player come through the door.

  • estechco

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #14

    No, I hadn’t heard the £8m news either. I thought they HADN’T managed to fix a price, which I was less than impressed with at the time.

    What was the name of Tiote’s Ivorian striker recommendation from a few weeks back? Perhaps he would be within our price range now?

  • john_cena163

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #15

    Stoke 1-2 scums

  • JohnnyBrookes

    Feb 5, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #16

    We wont spend in the summer – Pardew has effectively said now, “I hope to be able to spend on players salaries and transfers, Mike says I can and I believe him”.

    I didn’t hate Pardew until he basically put a price tag on Tiote’s head what a ridiculous thing to do.

    BTW sessegnon looks a very good player for the scum, winning 2-1.

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #17

    Anyone know how Lua Lua is doing since he broke his leg? It’s been about 3 months now I think

    He was doing really well at brighton too.

  • Herbies Bonnet

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #18

    Does anyone think we should deploy Nolan up front today against Arsenal and indeed the rest of the season?

    Fulham was the worst match this season, we had nothing up front, Rangers attitude is disgraceful (he is young). Best was also pants, very inconsistant. In reality we need 3-4 wins from the remainder of the season.


    Sim Will Colo Jose

    Guti Barton Toite Guthrie Loven


  • Manx Magpie

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #19

    best and lovenkrands starting

  • The Power Ranger

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:05 PM

    Comment #20

    Tiote didn’t warm Twente’s bench last season. He was probably there best player, playing in pretty much all their games.

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:07 PM

    Comment #21

    Herb – Nolan now quick enough to be up front on his own IMO. He needs someone he can feed off. This is my punt at what I believe may be todays team…


    Sim Will Colo Jose

    Barton Nolan Toite Guti

    Best Ranger

    I think this because who the hell do we play on the RW?? We have no one but Barton, possibly Guthrie or Routledge at a push.

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #22

    Newcastle (4-4-2): Steve Harper; Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini, Jose Enrique; Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, Cheick Tiote, Jonas Gutierrez; Leon Best, Peter Lovenkrands
    Subs: Tim Krul, James Perch, Sol Campbell, Danny Guthrie, Michael Richardson, Shane Ferguson, Nile Ranger

  • newcastle10

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #23

    Newcastle (4-4-2): Steve Harper; Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini, Jose Enrique; Joey Barton, Kevin Nolan, Cheick Tiote, Jonas Gutierrez; Leon Best, Peter Lovenkrands

  • Spuggy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:10 PM

    Comment #24

    Best and Lova – good choice most experienced we have – Nolan in CM again, with Barton out right I should think.

  • Jose Enrique

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    Comment #25

    Ed whaT are you talking about. The ireland loan doesnt have an option to buy because he failed his medical so we didnt set a price to buy him after the season. Where did you get 8million pound from did you just think ‘yeah that sounds like decent price’

  • Jose Enrique

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM

    Comment #26

    For the rest of the season we should go 4 1 3 1 1. Harper, simpson, taylor, colo, enrique, tiote, barton, ireland, ben arfa, nolan, ameobi

  • baro

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM

    Comment #27

    Great lineup there but I’d have Sol Campbell in for Mike Williamson anyday.

  • BeeGuy

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:21 PM

    Comment #28


    MA wants to be on a sound financial footing. That is his ambition. He should achieve that in the next 3 to 4 years, if the club stays up. Like all ambitious people, he foregos today’s pleasure for tomorrows big reward. So, like you and I, he sacrifices the joy of Carroll’s goals and a few more wins to reach his comfort level.

    Once he is there, we find out if his ambitions are for the money form Europe and finishing high in the table or winning silver. At that point, you see, he is playing with house money. His club will be very sellable.

    The only bug in the equation is the new financial rules and how agents and players perceive NUFC as a good destination for their careers.

  • Colombus

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #29

    the gamble was not selling carroll, it was not buying a good striker to enforce our strikers. A good striker should have been bought or at least loaned anyway and why we didn’t do that heaven knows. In my mind I think the west ham-match gave us a good portion of false promise hehe

    But let’s give our young strikers all our support and hope they can deliver something for us. As said earlier on here, come summer we could strengthen. Tiotes recomandation was seydou doumbia by the way

  • niafron

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #30

    Bonjour messieurs.

    NUFC need a fast stiker who can take the depth in order to play with Ben Arfa behind him.
    Here’s why:

  • niafron

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #31

    As you can see, Ben Zema would have been perfect, so if he leave madrid, this is a good way to use your 40 millions euros.
    Bring the famous “BB flingueurs” back together.

  • RUNAWAY777

    Feb 5, 2011 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #32

    get in lads stoke just beat the scum 3–2 last min goal.

  • Whitecap

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #33

    I think it would be a mistake to play anything but a 4-5-1 today. We don’t have the quality to play 2 up front and we really frustrated Arsenal with the 4-5-1 the last time we played them.

  • G-Man

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #34

    Game over after 43 seconds ,PATHETIC………….

  • MacToon

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #35

    Bloody disgrace.

  • transfer tony

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM

    Comment #36

    this is utter crap

  • kilcline

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:29 PM

    Comment #37

    just got home after leaving the game, never been so angry

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #38

    To all you Mike Ashley fans who STILL insist he is good for this club!!

    I applaud you all and you know who you are!!

    Might i suggest you all get therapy, because i am here supporting the boys with all my heart and that Fat Spineless piece of Sh!t is nowhere to be seen !! I hope you Rot in hell you fat piece of Sh!t you have wrecked my club, get in your helicopter with the fat mike lovers from here and pile it into the nearest big hill you c11nt!

  • magpie999

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #39

    kilcline where the f#ck do you live The Strawberry??

  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Feb 5, 2011 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #40

    By the way you Ashley supporters, bet we wont be hearing from you lot professing how good he’s been anytime soon, you spineless t.wats!


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