Players Not Signing Until Summer – No Trust In Ashley?


Alan Pardew has said in a Daily Mail interview today, that he will delay any contract discussions until the summer.

What does this man want to do with Newcastle?
What’s the plan and what’s the vision?

Those negotiations are with top players, Joey Barton, Jose Enrique and Jonas Gutierrez and are on hold until the summer.

And it seems the three of them want to see what Newcastle do with the £35M the club got from Andy Carroll in January, before they sign anything new at the Newcastle club.

We don’t think it’s specifically Alan’s decision to delay the contract discussions, but it would appear the Newcastle players now, as well as the fans, have no idea what Mike Ashley wants to do with the Newcastle club.

Does he want to keep selling top players so the financial side of the club is good, or does he really want to build a good side that can challenge for trophies again, over the next couple of seasons?

We already think that Jose has had enough of the goings on at Newcastle, and will leave in the summer.

And since Mike never says anything, it’s always difficult to know exactly what he thinks, but there’s no doubt that the sale of Andy Carroll produced some significant rumblings within the playing squad, that’s now becoming very clear.

It was not only the Newcastle fans who were astonished at the club selling Andy on the very last day of the transfer window, and not bringing in any suitable replacement.

It’s bad enough that Ashley has terrible relations with the Newcastle fans, who are his customers after all, but it’s very serious if his aloofness and inability to effectively communicate,  is now affecting some top Newcastle players wanting to stay at the club.

That’s a serious problem, if it’s true.

What’s so difficult with an owner coming out and saying what his vision is for the club is , or even at least talking to the Newcastle fans about what’s going on at the club, and what he plans to do in the summer transfer window?

Not speaking regularly with the Newcastle fans  has been Mike’s biggest continuing mistake at the club, and he’s made some massive mistakes in  the way he has run the club over these last nearly four years, by his own admission.

And that’s one reason a short two years after he had bought the club, the impossible happened, and Newcastle were relegated.

Having four managers in that relegation season didn’t help much either, but just shows that Mike didn’t seem to have a clue about what he should be doing, and didn’t have enough experienced football people around him to tell him what to do.

In December of 2009, when Ashley finally took the club off the market, Derek LLambias came out and said it had been a mistake for them to take a siege mentality, and not communicate over the previous four months, since Kevin Keegan had been sacked.

And Derek added at that time, that from now on they would be in regular communication with the Newcastle fans.

And that did happen, but only for a couple of months before everything dried up again.

We have to hope Ashley’s lack of communication skills is not having an adverse impact on good players wanting to stay on Tyneside,  because if it is, that’s a serious problem for the club.

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43 comments so far

  • MarkO

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #1

    Ashley will spend big money im sure of it

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #2

    MarkO
    Your SURE of it??>
    Explain what makes you so sure…Oh historically he has spent big hasnt he? Add to that the fact that he has ALWAYS told the fans the truth!!

    Excited me like!!

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  • Stuart

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #3

    Agree with MarkO,

    What would be the point in sending our scouts around the world if theres no money available in the summer?

    I reckon Ashley knows now aswell that if he doesnt invest big, players like Jonas, Barton, Bull etc will be off as they know the team is only a kick up the arse away from either being awesome or awful. Its all on the fat man to come good for once lol.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #4

    I don’t think Pardew is an Ashley puppet. I have a feeling that this is Pardew and players pushing Ashley into a corner. Or and this is a BIG or. What is the point of negotiating new contracts when the club is going to change hands if and when we have enough points and are safe in the PL?

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  • oldbobaycliffe

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #5

    perhaps pardew isn.t confident about us staying up-no use offering PL wages for playing in the championship

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  • supermacnumber9

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #6

    the key point is that we can only quess what is going on inside the club – but the players can see the mess on a daily basis, and these key players do not like or trust what they see which must worry all true supporters
    my other worry is that there are no true supporters running the club and they appear not to give a damn about us
    HWTL

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  • supermacnumber9

    Mar 15, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #7

    and remember – I assume Joey Barton, Jose Enrique and Jonas Gutierrez still have their old PL contracts without a demotion pay cut clause – I think this was a mistake in the first place and rightly remains a big problem for the club.
    as other old contracts run out it may crop up again (Nolan?)

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #8

    Supermacnumber9.
    Cock on matey!!

    Fat Maggot Cashley is content with making profit and becoming a feeder club for the big boys!! This guarantees profit.

    He has 30m in the bank, he will get all the revenue for this season from TV etc. After the swinging cuts he made during last relegation, they didnt replace the staff they got rid of, they didnt replace anything for this season, the club has been run on a budget (Not saying this is wrong MW’s) but what it will do is lessen the impact of any further relagation, clear out the high earners, and bring the club back up as a feeder club for young talent and therefore guarantee him a profit year on year.

    Look at his past business dealings, run down Sports direct, buy more into at cheaper rate, build it up, run it down build it up, always strengthening his own hand in the process.

    Dave whelan did warn us that this is the way fat lad operates!!

    Nevermind, some will see this as fine!!

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  • wynsleap

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #9

    Ashley doesn’t talk to the fans about his plans simply because he doesn’t have any.
    This guy has no intention of making the Toon a challenging club for major honours. It is a money making tool (pretty much what he is) and gives him a bit of a hobby.
    Nothing more – nothing less.
    The sooner he departs this fantastic club the better. I for one can’t wait.

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  • tony green

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #10

    It is all just speculation until we actually see what happens in the window…TBH Carroll signed but was still sold and Tiote has signed and we’re still not sure if that’s just to maximise his sale price so the Contracts situation is not critical just yet. I can understand the players not trusting MA and DL, having seen both Milner and Carroll seek contracts that matched their increased market value and be sold from under managers that said they wanted to keep them. For us fans surely this summer will be where we see if: (and I don’t remember the exact AP quote) “MA wants to build something here…”
    For me persuading Forster to return from Celtic with a view to being OUR number 1 by the end of the season will be an interesting test. Harps has been an incredible servant for the club but it looks like we have a top, top quality keeper on the books and – a big IF – we can secure him and also Joey (as it does seem JE will be off) then with some judicious squad strengthening things may become clearer. On the other hand if we fail to convince our best to stay AND to strengthen the squad then AP can give as many briefings as he likes on MA and DL’s behalf but not even those of us who are clinging on to the last vestige of hope that it will come good will be able to delude ourselves any longer.

    HWTL

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  • Stuart

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #11

    A bit of a hobby?

    If theres one reason MA bought the club it wasnt for a hobby.

    Owners who buy a club for a hobby are like Manc El Citeh and Chelski, who have more money than sense and just chuck millions at the club.

    MA has this club as a money making tool.

    However I still don’t see why he can’t make money and have us challenging for major honours. Wouldnt it be even more sweet if we won a trophy and didnt have to drive ourselves to the brink of bankruptcy to do it?

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  • DarloGeordie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #12

    I do hope these contracts aren’t getting sorted due to the fact that Cashley leaving this summer…

    I will party for weeks when these clowns leave (including Pardew)

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  • tony green

    Mar 15, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #13

    To clarify my previous post I mean that I would like to see Forster return in the summer with a view to becoming our number 1 over the course of the 2011/12 season.

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  • geoff777

    Mar 15, 2011 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #14

    The Carroll sale was a kick in the nuts for the fans as well as the players.

    It sent a message loud and clear about the club’s ambition.

    After the Fulham game and the first half against Arsenal. Ashley, Pardew and Co. need to thank Barton & Nolan for saving their skins, it could have got really ugly if Arsenal had gone on to win 7-0.

    The club need to spend ALL the Carroll money plus Enriques fee, plus the planned budget. We at least 6 quality signings.
    Wages are running costs and come out of SKY cash & ground receipts etc.

    I don’t trust Ashley. He’s greedy for money above his love for football (Spurs).

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  • stuart no9

    Mar 15, 2011 at 12:51 PM

    Comment #15

    there is only one man who is stopping us going forward, there is only one man causing the unrest in the squad,there is only one man who has no ambitions fot NUFC MR ASHLY OUR OWNER, even the players dont trust him , if i was a player i wouldnt sign either the sooner this cancerous growth goes the better, lets see what happens when he sells, tiote, enrique, barton , i believe a takeover is on the cards, why would ash stay? there will be no more assets to sell off ALL GONE.

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  • Sav

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM

    Comment #16

    Its one thing Ashley not talking to the fans and explaining his plans and ambitions.

    Clearly, he has failed just as badly in respect of the squad.

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  • Jammydodger

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #17

    Jesus christ supermac and angry man cheer up!
    Sick of comin on here expecting to have a read and a bit of banter, whereas all i see is you two whining and moaning like a couple of miserable depressed old farts surprised your not arranging hanging yourselves the way you carry on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

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  • supermacnumber9

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #18

    Jammydodger – I hoped you enjoyed all the banter when we got relegated!
    but point taken – I’ll just say I’m worried about the situation but hope it will go away
    how about stoke 0 NUFC 2
    that will cheer eveyone up
    HWTL

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  • jimmymagpie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #19

    The worrying thing is the effect this is having in the dressing room, when there is still a lot of work to be done before safety is assured. Barton still not fit with an injury we were told was ‘slight’ and that he would be fit the following week. More bullshit from within SJP, and some on here still believe every word. I can only assume that they have a sadistic delight at being kicked in the bollocks on a regular basis. The signing of the waste of space, Ireland, after he failed a fitness test, is typical of the ‘5 year plan’ the pricks have for this club.

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  • Stuart

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #20

    blah blah blah, moan, whinge, bile.

    Every time theres a slow news day Ed puts something like this up and the doom mongers jump on it at the first chance.

    While I agree I dont like MA, the way you go on you’d think we were currently plying our trade in the blue square premier not mid table in the premiership with some of the most in demand players in the league, amazing youth prospects, good financial security, and (maybe) a big transfer budget this summer.

    As I keep saying but no-one ever listens. Give him til the end of the summer window. This is his big chance to show his ambition for the club. If he invests big and brings in the 5-6 players we need and ties down our key players then he’s doing something right.

    If it gets to the end of the summer and we’ve sold off our key players and signed no-one or Perch-esque players I will owe you an apology.

    But for some reason this summer, I think I’m going to be right.

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  • Davies

    Mar 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM

    Comment #21

    I’m sorry, but players saying that they’ll sign a new contract when we’re safe is as big a kick in the nuts as anything else. It’s their job to keep us safe, and nobody else’s.

    Slag Mike Ashley off all you like (I know that many of you need no invitation to do so), but he’s not the one running out onto the pitch and keeping us in the fight.

    I hope, sincerely, that we make a lot of progress in the transfer market in the summer, and that we manage to nail down some of these players that seem to have forgotten making public announcements over their commitment to the club. They need to remember that in order to build the successful club they want to play for, they need to stick around and be a part of it.

    I also think the owner’s last chance is upon him. What he does in the summer will make or break our chances for next season. I’ve sat on the fence the whole time so far (not an Ashley lover or hater), because I have seen the reason behind most of what’s happened since we were relegated (whether I’ve liked it has been a different matter), but those of us who are neutral, or those who have been branded “Ashley lovers”/”Ashley bumboys” will quickly evaporate from the limited supply of tolerant support that he has.

    Come the start of next season, weneed to have a bigger and better squad than we have now, or it’ll be time to put the club on the market for the last time.

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  • gorskino10

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #22

    Jose will stay unless a massive club comes in for him (ONLY top 2/3 in EPL or La Liga)

    If we spend a buy a few BIG players like Doumbia upfront and then Gervinhio on the wing and with Ben Arfa back and Gosling for next season things will look on the up we need backup and first teamers too!

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  • jimmymagpie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    Comment #23

    Stuart, you really are a blind bugger. Tell me one thing that I have told you on this site, going back to the sale of Carroll, the Gosling situation, telling you Barton wasn’t going to sign until the summer if ever, when everyone was saying a deal was imminent, etc. The reason I know is because my nephew, who is a solicitor and agent in his own right, shares an office with the man who is legal advisor to 5 of the current first team squad at Ncle. I only try to to bring fantacists like you back to the real world. I could say more, but no way will I risk compromising my nephew just to prove a point. By the way Pardew himself is already preparing you for disappointment, by saying today that he will not be significantly increasing squad numbers. In other words players have to go out if he wants to bring anyone in, and the decision as to who goes out, won’t always be his. FACT!

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  • Stuart

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #24

    Ok jimmy, that may be a fact, but how many managers do have sole control over player departures at clubs? Apart from the big teams there wont be many.

    If we get some more stupid bids for players like we did with AC then of course MA is going to sell because it would be almost impossible to turn down offers like that.

    On the other hand the you could be completely over-reacting and the players that have to go out for people to come in are the players on huge wages that are useless like Smith, Xisco, Campbell, Perch, Lovenkrands.

    I’m not saying we would get much money for them, but getting their wages off the wage bill would free up alot of money for new players.

    Im not going to argue with you though because we both know we’re never going to agree. You choose to be pessimistic, I choose to be optimistic, and no matter how many times you call me a fantacist that won’t change.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #25

    Stuart & Davies, what brilliant comments. At last the voice of reason. I have said till I am blue in the face that only Ashley knows what he is doing and till the end of August we are all blind, thereafter we can decide whether to praise or chastise him.

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  • Rangerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #26

    I’m not sure why the 3 players are being lumped in together on this one as all 3 are different.

    Enrique has said he won’t sign until we’re safe but most believe that as a ploy because he wants to leave.

    Barton wants to sign but isn’t happy with the length of contract offered, so is going to hold out as long as possible to strengthen his hand.

    Jonas has over 2 years left on his contract and I don’t see the club being in a rush to renew it.

    As for us being a selling club, what is this based on? Yes we sold Carroll for an obscene amount of money but every player has their price in football and we’ve clearly stated our position as “If you want our best young players you will have to pay over the odds for them” which is no different to what Spurs did with Berbatov and Carrick and will most likely do with Bale too.

    In fact it could be argued that the club Carroll has gone to are a bigger selling club than us with 3 of their 5 best players sold in just over 18 months and replaced with inferior replacements.

    This summer I can see us spending a fair bit but maybe not the full £35 million as some of it will go to offset the higher wage bill that these players will bring, personally I see 5 or 6 players coming in and the likes of Campbell, Perch, Smith and Lovenkrands being moved on if the club can find takers.

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  • chuck

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #27

    The players dont trust him ? whats new !
    This owner has so little respect for fans (read customers) he refuses to comunicate in any way.
    The only thing he will re- act to is loosing money
    and thats where the fans have the hammer, no bums in seats=reaction.
    Hell of a way to run a club, having the fans detest you .
    And until he hires a top management guy with a track record in the game, will continue to repeat and compound the same mistakes, resulting in fear and loathing, plus a lack of success on the field.
    Even Pardew does`nt know what to expect, but he`s not going to buck Ashley.
    He will just do as he`s told and we know how he can talk up a good story.
    Yeah they brought out Carr to sell a few seats last week, but don`t put too much faith in the six player`s coming in story .
    Toro`s made his mind up, he`s outta here, decent player but replaceable, not as good as he thinks he is, so let him go.
    Get Izaguirre from Celtic, Taiwo or others, plenty decent LB`s available.
    We need to sign Joey, who with Nolan have become leaders in the side and essential to the stability of team.
    Without them the side lacks leadership and tends to flounder.
    Should be an interesting summer, which should leave no doubt in the minds of the faithfull as to where the club is heading.
    We live in interesting times.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #28

    Stuart – I’m honestly not pessimistic by nature, I just can’t bring myself to believe that all will be well, knowing what I do, and the attitude of the players seems to be changing. One thing you and I will always agree on, in our different ways we both desperately want NUFC to flourish. I just have a lot less time to see it happen than you, I’m guessing. My memories of the great days in the 50s have somewhat faded.

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  • wynsleap

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #29

    Re Stuart (11)
    Yes – “a bit of a hobby”.
    If you remember when Ashley came here he said he bought the club “to have a bit of fun” (his words).
    It’s fairly obvious his idea of fun is to make money and have a little gamble on the side to see if he can run a football club as cheaply as possible (and don’t get me started about the money he’s put in) and see if it can stay in the Premiership.
    It’s all a game to him but not the one the fans want to see. The fact is he has no ambition for this club. If he had he would be improving the team continually by using all the revenue he has brought in from player sales to buy better players than those currently in the squad.
    There’s no harm in taking vast sums like £35mill for a basically untried player but it’s what he does with it that’s important.
    Oh sorry he’s going to spend it all on top players in the summer – yeah right! Puncheon anybody?
    Ashley I’m sure (unless anyone wishes to prove me wrong) has not laid out a penny on transfers over all the markets he has been involved in since he came here.
    Again.. I forgot – he has a plan.
    I’m with jimmymagpie all the way regarding this fella. Maybe it’s something to do with our age and not being youthfully gullible.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:06 PM

    Comment #30

    wynsleap, Ben Arfa, Simpson, Tiote, Best, Williamson, all freebies?

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  • supermacnumber9

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #31

    jimmymagpie – yes I remember the 50s, the first time I ever saw TV was the 55 cup final, and we had a full size photo of the FA Cup from the double pages of the evening chronicle cut out and pasted on cardboard which we ran around the playground with after every playtime match – and that realy was the last success I remember! I doubt if I will ever see league success – but I’d love to see a cup brought home!
    HWTL

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  • BeeGuy

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #32

    Most of us do not like the sports agents, but what interests them is money. They will not be sending their clients to poor clubs if they can help it. So, assuming NUFC is running a good financial course, then it is possible to bring in players-no matter what they or we think of the owner. And, in fact, some of the guys who seem to want out of Newcastle may find that the money is greener Tyneside than elsewhewre.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #33

    GG _ what about the sales of Milner, Given, N’Zogbia, and Carroll? Add it all up mate. Your players come to £13m. Mine come to £59m.

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  • GeordieGerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:27 PM

    Comment #34

    jimmymagpie, that’s not what wynsleap said. He said, I quote.

    “Ashley I’m sure (unless anyone wishes to prove me wrong) has not laid out a penny on transfers over all the markets he has been involved in since he came here”.

    Thanks for pointing out to me and wynsleap that Ashley has spent £13 million on transfers.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #35

    GG – I’m sure he meant not apenny spent NET. He’s always made a profit. Anyway, must go for my knap – it’s alright for you youngsters. Thanks for the banter. Keep the faith.

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  • cyprus

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM

    Comment #36

    Owners, as a rule, DON’T make a profit, and Ashley isn’t so naive to think so. Ok, criticise him, as I do too, but he’s pumping in 20 mil a year which we ain’t. Pardew is waiting for Ashley to tell him what to do…

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  • wynsleap

    Mar 15, 2011 at 3:57 PM

    Comment #37

    Thanks for your support jimmymagpie.
    Yes geordiegerman I DID mean net. “Over all the markets” was the clue.
    As far as I am concerned when Ashley purchased the club, regardless of whether he paid too much money for it (his fault and no one else’s) he had a duty to his customers (the fans) to do as much as possible to bring them success – or why buy it?
    Regrettably he has shown no willingness to do just that which has resulted in one relegation already and another one looking like a possibility.
    Is this what fans want? Or are they happy to go on swallowing this “we have a plan” line?
    I started watching and supporting this club in the days of the wonderful Len White. We may not have won anything then or since (apart from the Fairs Cup) but at least the owners always tried to do as best as possible with their (often meagre) resources.
    The same cannot be said of Ashley, with all of his wealth

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  • GeordieGerman

    Mar 15, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Comment #38

    wynsleap, Ashley responsible for our relegation? He didn’t even kick a ball.

    Come back Shepherd and Hall.

    No thanks. I’ll bide my time and see what happens in the next transfer window. Then I maybe wallowing or apologizing.

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Mar 15, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    Comment #39

    Gerodie german, Stuart and Davies??
    Over 4 years, yup 4 years he has had this club now, WTF has he done good to give any of you three confidence that he will do any good this summer….then if he doesnt…..”give him until january and then judge him” PMSL.

    You three should be on at the hyena!!

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  • Angryman the Angry fan

    Mar 15, 2011 at 4:25 PM

    Comment #40

    Look lads, GG, Stuart and Davies. Its maybe your ‘little thing’ to see the good in everybody, lord ill bet you believe Osama Bin lid has even got a wee bit of good in him…I mean his family did try and buy us at one time didnt they boys ;-)….

    But i tend to have this theory about people, if they take the P!ss out of you and lie to you once and get away with it…………..the fat greedy fekkers will do it all the more!!

    And after all, we know for a FACT that he HAS by his own admission in tribunal done this!!

    Enough for me to know what the F!!ck the fat maggot is like

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