If They Ever Get It Right – Newcastle Will Be A Great Club


George Graham, the great Arsenal player and their former manager, has talked about Newcastle today in Talksport – with hosts Andy Gray and Richard Keys.

George Graham — if they ever get it right Newcastle will be great club

There is a popular article out from Talksport, but I’ve tries to extract the “good” bits, when George and Richard Keys talk about Newcastle, and it’s obvious that Graham has a great admiration for the club, and when he was a youngster he recalled training with the Newcastle when he was just a teenager.

There’s also a bit on Andy Carroll, and they talked about how great he looks as a player, but since he’s now left Newcastle, that didn’t rank as a good bit, not to me anyway. This is not a Liverpool blog. 😀

And since it turns out that George is just 5 days younger than I am, (yes – it’s a pity he wasn’t older),  we are talking around the 1960 time-frame, when we were around 15 years old, and it would be around that time that George was invited down to train with the club.

There was a question for George, if he was ever offered the Newcastle manager job, and he said he hadn’t been, but that he would have probably turned it down.

Richard Keys and George Graham got into this conversation that followed the question:

“A lot of people in football say this – that’s one club (Newcastle United) that if you get it right they’ll erect statues for you.”

Keys – Terry (Venables) was offered it on a temporary basis and if it had been permanent he probably would have taken it”

“People think the problem is on the pitch but not necessarily so – sometimes the problem is higher up and the people underneath cannot put it right, because of the owners, you cannot select your owners”

“If Newcastle ever get it right and the club is run properly,  if  ever they get somebody in to run the club properly,  like a business, and they get the right manager in, it will be a fantastic club.”

And then the name of Chris Hughton came up, and of course George worked with Chris Hughton at Tottenham, and it was obvious George thinks very highly of Hughton, and this is how the conversation continued:

“They (Newcastle) have had a good season with Chrissie Hughton.”

Keys – How badly was he  was he treated?”

“Very very bad I thought.  I worked with Chris at Tottenham, and he’s a smashing lad, and I  thought he did a great job.”

Keys – He was better than that wasn’t he? When they went down there was talk about them talking about them going straight through that league and they came straight back.”

“And they were sitting very comfortably in mid-table in the Premiership,  that was a shock for me anyway, and reading between the lines he wasn’t on a good contract anyway.”

So if Newcastle ever get somebody in to run the club and have a good manager, there would be 52,000 home gates every other week,  and  a massive following away from St. James’ Park.

By the way they talked we suppose they don’t think that person is Mike Ashley, the current owner, although Ashley is trying his best to run the club as a business, and at least on that  side of things, he seems to be making a decent job of it.

Newcastle get close to 50,000 home gates now, and  a phenomenal away following,  and that’s with the team mediocre – at best.

But for some of us, who are  in our later lives, time may be starting to run out (with stress on  the may be), so that’s just one reason we have to hope the club will  bring in five or six top players in the summer, and that Newcastle will soon be fighting for a top six position in the Premier League.

But when you look at Alan Pardew’s record, he’s never ever achieved anything as successful as that, and if he does it at Newcastle, it will be the first time ever in his career.

That’s unlike a certain Bobby Robson, who had Ipswich in the top six regularly when he was with Ipswich Town, and they had no money to spend at all on new players either.

So when Bobby came to the club in early September of 1999, that’s why the fans were so excited, and he was also a local lad as well.

And of course Bobby did not disappoint anybody, and saved Newcastle in his first season, after they were second bottom when he took over, had huge injuries in his second seaosn, and then had Newcastle finishing in  4th, 3rd and 5th in his last three seasons.

That was when Chairman Freddy Shepherd sacked Bobby because 5th just wasn’t good enough, and  we weren’t even in the Champions League for heaven’s sake.

Yes – stupid isn’t it, but that’s what happened – you just couldn’t make this stuff up.

We ‘d love for Alan Pardew to be successful at Newcastle, but  just cannot see it happening, but I’d be very happy for Alan to prove me completely wrong.

The ball is in your court now Alan Pardew – the very best of luck!



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54 comments so far

  • MacToon

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:08 PM

    Comment #1

    “if ever they get somebody in to run the club properly”

    If only…….

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  • davis_toons

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM

    Comment #2

    There’s alot to prove from Alan Pardew.

    When the injuries are all back and avil for selection it will be time to judge him.

    With some quality in full squad selection we should be able to win more games and play better football.

    No excuses

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  • WWJBD

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM

    Comment #3

    Nice to hear some good words about NUFC it makes a change

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  • davis_toons

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:13 PM

    Comment #4

    Of course not mentioning the quality of new players that he agreed to bring into the club. We should be playing slightly better football

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  • archaeomag

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM

    Comment #5

    @WWJBD
    We are playing ManU so we will get a brief mention next week!

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  • WWJBD

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:18 PM

    Comment #6

    @archaeomag
    I doubt it, if we lose we will be just another team and if we win we will be just the team ManU gave up playing. We might get a actual name mention if we draw 🙂

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  • coolcatcarter89

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:23 PM

    Comment #7

    Lens is looking great for PSV – rapid!!

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  • Andy

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:25 PM

    Comment #8

    I hate Richard Keys with a passion! Everytime i hear him say anything about our club he always puts on a little smug voice and scoffs. Total reflection of how the Southern T@ss pot media view us and our club.

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  • Sir Alan

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM

    Comment #9

    http://www.heavensports.com/football/world-fk-grimsby-fan-rant/

    You HAVE to read this!! Best rant ever by a Grimsby Town fan, writing a letter to the club.

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  • Shot Bru

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #10

    Anyone watching PSV v Benfica? We are desperate for wingers and there is 3 excellent ones on show in Dzsudzak LW, Lens RW and Gaitan LW.

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  • Andy

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM

    Comment #11

    Slightly off topic but i was in the pub the other day and i was asked who i thought the best player we’ve had at the toon out of Pedro, Gazza (although he hardly played then left) and Shearer. I went for Pedro as he is the kind of player you never see any more. Unbelievable finish and a decent finisher too.

    Just wondering who everyone else thinks was the best they’ve seen

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  • Shot Bru

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:31 PM

    Comment #12

    coolcarter…sorry didn’t see your previous comment…yeah Lens is on fire nice finish too

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  • coolcatcarter89

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    Comment #13

    Aye, Shot Bru. He reminds me of a scampering Bellamy, but even quicker! Little terror. I’d love him.

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  • Thump

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:41 PM

    Comment #14

    We’ve been waiting for Newcastle to be ran properly for years. I’m starting to lose hope.

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  • roshan MAGPIE

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:43 PM

    Comment #15

    if we get a right owner we will be the beST CLUB around

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  • Thump

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:43 PM

    Comment #16

    @Sir Alan: Cracked up at “I know how you feel; it’s like when we [Manure] failed to win a trophy in ‘95”

    Cracking read haha

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2011 at 8:51 PM

    Comment #17

    every body keeps talking about bringing good players in at the end of season,you could bring in 11 ryan giggs, or 11 alan shearers, get the next sir bobby in as manager, and we”d still struggle to stay up. it has to be changed upstairs, EVERYBODY knows how massive this club could be , and i mean taking on man u , real , barca , in the elite champions cup, and giving them a right game , however you need to be ambitious, to get to that standard and that means top owners, with a top manager, even sir bob, who won silverware every where he went failed, may be if he had nt of been sacked by our OWNER , maybe ,just maybe we may have won something, but again our owners messed up ( as they always do) fans all over the world cant get there head round the fact weve won nothing in 50 odd years, and we have had some great players and good teams in that period, then something happens someone makes one stupid decision upstairs, then back to square 1 all over again we need an ambitious board and a jose mourino, or a fergie, untill then the same rubbish will follow year in year out, you could stick the england squad in a black and white kit, it would make no difference

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:08 PM

    Comment #18

    sir alan, brilliant, i nearly soiled myself laughing

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  • kilcline

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:09 PM

    Comment #19

    We would be a great club if it wasn’t for fans like toonboy_84.

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  • cyprus

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:11 PM

    Comment #20

    Like you Ed, I hope Alan’s the man… not convinced though. Graham for manager? Course not! Success yes, boring Arsenal architect. O’Neal would get us real success.

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  • WELSH TOON ™

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:11 PM

    Comment #21

    @ Sir Alan

    That was a good read, feel so sorry for the guy though.

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  • marcos

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM

    Comment #22

    If you can see most clubs in the Premier League don`t spend a lot of money to bring in new player they are all average players with the exception of Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool,Chelsea and Arsenal. I agree with davis_toons, we cannot judge Alan Pardew as we had many injured players not to mention problems with suspension. We must try to find the balance. I mean, to build a good team with average players. It is possible.
    @marcos_nufc_rj

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  • AndyMac

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:20 PM

    Comment #23

    davis_toons says:

    There’s alot to prove from Alan Pardew. When the injuries are all back and avil for selection it will be time to judge him. With some quality in full squad selection we should be able to win more games and play better football. No excuses”

    What I find tryly disheartening is the fact that there are still loads of presumably genuine Toon Army members who cannot see how bad things are right now !

    davis toon suggests we should wait until there’s a full squad of highly talented individuals all champing at the bit to play their part and then judge Pardwho on the results.

    Whereas those that really know football realise that you could give Pardwho the top eleven players in the world and he’ll still not win anything with them.

    The bloke is a journeyman struggling to keep his managerial career alive before inevitably disappearing off to the managerial graveyard that is the Sky Sports media circus. Already inhabited by the likes of Souness, Gullitt, Allardyce and probably Dalglish by the end of this season. All spouting utter nonsense but just to a wider audience.

    I also agree with Stuart that we need a board that can match the fans. We havent had that for a long time and how we’ve suffered as a consequence.

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  • GeordieTwo

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:23 PM

    Comment #24

    That’s like saying if pigs had wings they would fly. It doesn’t mean anything. We have no power to get rid of Ashley and he has no ambition except to recover his investment. We will remain a selling club. I read somewhere that Ashley has taken in 100 million pounds in players sales since he arrived. I tried to add it all up and came up with at least 88 million so the 100 million number doesn’t sound unbelievable. What kind of team would we have had if we hadn’t sold any of those players and we had kept Keegan (ie. if Ashley wasn’t a complete lier and stuck to his word)? I would predict we would have been in the top 6. Of course Owen had to go he was one of the worst wasters I’ve ever seen but his contract was up anyway. A sad story and an endless succession of mediocre managers. Where next for us? Pardew will only be sacked if we get relegated which is highly unlikely.

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  • Turkish Magpie

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM

    Comment #25

    Hi all, haven’t posted for a while for various reasons..

    but anyways, my dad is a fenerbahce fan and i can claim that they’re my second team (but they don’t come close to my love for Newcastle 😉 ) i noticed this aritcle when my dad told me that Fenerbahce were supposed to be signing the top scorer in the french league in the summer, so i looked and i found loads of articles like this and this french striker is MOUSSA SOW, a player mentioned a lot on here..

    http://www.insidefutbol.com/2011/04/02/fenerbahce-plot-e8-5m-moussa-sow-bid/39866/

    http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/?action=read&id=261854

    http://www.goal.com/fr/news/33/transferts/2011/04/01/2421218/transferts-fenerbahce-offre-8-5-me-pour-sow

    The price quoted is 8.5mil euros and it also says Newcastle are in the running for him, very interesting as it appears he’s going to be leaving Lille and i think that he would even be worth £10mil..

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  • Toonboy_84

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM

    Comment #26

    Kilcline. You are a strange lad. Why have you picked me to start on randomly?

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  • GeordieTwo

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:40 PM

    Comment #27

    P.S. I see Shefqi Kuqi has 14% of the votes for Newcastle’s best player against Aston Villa. That is a really sad comment on the quality of the match. He was only on for a few minutes and really wasn’t that noticeable but he was better than Ranger who was selfish and who appears to lack any power at all in his shot. I hope Ranger improves drastically if he is going to be one of our up and coming players. Ferguson appears to be a much better bet to me.

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  • carrollsinger

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:50 PM

    Comment #28

    We have the basis of a great team all we need is cover for rb and lb rw and striker I feel at the moment we have some cracking players and cover
    Harper/krul
    Simmo/? Colo/taylor willo/? Enrique/fergie
    ?/? Barton/Nolan tiote/gosling gut/hba
    Best/?
    7+ signings needed I have left out players like smith Campbell shola ranger vuckic routs as they are either not up for prem passed it or not ready

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  • carrollsinger

    Apr 14, 2011 at 9:53 PM

    Comment #29

    Forgot guthrie (not upto it) any other names please tell if I can’t remember they can’t be worth it and irelands in limbo

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  • GeordieTwo

    Apr 14, 2011 at 10:07 PM

    Comment #30

    I would say your lineup is the basis for an average team carrollsinger. I agree we need 6 or 7 or more new players. If they were all very good we could have a very competitive team but that will be very challenging for Graham Carr with the owner we have. If we get 2 or 3 good players especially a striker and right winger and a left back if Jose leaves I would consider that a miracle with our owner. Signing Barton and Jose would also be excellent business but probably Jose is gone unless a very good contract is offered which is unlikely under our present regime.

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2011 at 10:08 PM

    Comment #31

    geordie two
    sadly even if we go down , alan partridge will still be our manager, dont forget he has a 5 year deal, also he is ashs drinking pal so, unless ash does the decent thing and sells up, we are stuck with him , here s to good times ahead,

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  • GeordieTwo

    Apr 14, 2011 at 10:33 PM

    Comment #32

    I’m not so sure the length of Pardew’s contract means anything stuart no9. If we go down Ashley tends to panic, so to show the supporters he is still in charge he might sack Pardew, friend and drinking pal or not. But the problem is he would only bring in another weak yes-man since he knows now what happens when he hires a real manager like Keegan. The summer will be interesting. If Ashley does little or nothing to improve the team it will probably be the last straw for some of the supporters and possibly a drop in season ticket sales as well. Improving the team is the only sensible option but how often has Ashley done the sensible thing? Not too often that I can remember. Another sensible move would be to sack Lambias but sadly also unlikely.

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:19 PM

    Comment #33

    geordie two
    as i said before in a previous comment imo i really believe , that as long as ash is our owner dont expect great things to happen, he wont listen to people who know a lot more about football than he does , his annoying side kick knows less, what realistic chance have we got of achieving anything, i have looked at his decisions over the years and failed to understand any of them

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  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:23 PM

    Comment #34

    sorry i meant to say understand many of them

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  • kilcline

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:29 PM

    Comment #35

    eff off toonboy_84

    Ashley has been good for the club but now must back Pardew with the money the club deserves to be invested.

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  • ganiyu

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:51 PM

    Comment #36

    Impatient and selfish fans on this blog

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  • Partizan

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:53 PM

    Comment #37

    ganiyu…..go to sleep 🙂

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  • jimiley

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #38

    Mike Ashley has saved this club from oblivion and is the best thing to have happened to NUFC. When will you donkeys wake up and smell the coffee. Within 3 years we will be challenging the Mancs for the title. Give the guy a break you lot.

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  • jimiley

    Apr 14, 2011 at 11:59 PM

    Comment #39

    We have got it right Ed when Mike took over the club. Every year we keep getting better. Survival this year, mid table next year, top 4 the following year and then the title.

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  • Partizan

    Apr 15, 2011 at 12:05 AM

    Comment #40

    Hey Jimi,,,you forgot the relegation 🙂

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