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Pardew – It Was A Mistake And He Knows It

8:46 am, Tuesday, July 26th, 2011 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 158 Comments

One thing that you should never do is criticize your employees, at least not in public.

Jose Enrique – to tweet or not to tweet

And now that twitter is available, it’s going to be like a golden chalice for the gossip press, as some of the tweets coming from some of our top footballers will make big news instantly, and usually for all the wrong reasons - just great for the gossip press in England.

That’s what happened when Jose Enrique was leaving the plane that took the Newcastle squad to Columbus, Ohio on Sunday, and Jose criticized how the club was being run and the fact that Newcastle were letting their best players leave.

What he said could have been true, but you don’t criticize your employers in the open like that, and Jose should have gone to see Alan Pardew or talked to Mike Ashley about his concerns.

We have similar  concerns that Andy Carroll, Kevin Nolan, Jose himself and maybe even Joey Barton could all have left the club by September, and Newcastle are not bringing in enough new players, at least not so  far this summer.

Jose is entering the final year of his five year contract on Tyneside, and this is what manager Alan Pardew told The Sun earlier today:

“Jose was wrong to put those comments up and I told him,” 

“It’s a good offer which we have given him and maybe the frustration of the situation got the better of him.”

“I want him to stay, he’s a good lad but this didn’t reflect well on him.”

“It was a mistake, he knows it and so do I.”

Apparently Jose was also fined around £100K.

Enrique has been linked with a possible move to Liverpool for about three months now, and also Arsenal may be interested.

But the nightmare scenario for Newcastle has to be that he stays on Tyneside in his last year, and then leaves as a free agent next summer, and that could still be possible if no decent bids come in for the player this summer.

Something almost as bad as that is if the left-back is sold on the last day of this transfer window, and there is not enough time left to bring in a  replacement.

That’s just exactly what happened with local lad Andy Carroll in January, and we would hope the club will learn from their past mistakes.

We’ll know soon enough.

Comments welcome.



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158 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Thump // Jul 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    Didn’t Wenger say that he was happy with what he had for LB?

  • 2 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    should drop him into the reserves, don’t want players who don’t want to be here, especially when we have young guys itching for their chance

  • 3 connor_nufc // Jul 26, 2011 at 8:52 AM

    wel just have to prove jose wrong and finish in the top 6

  • 4 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 8:56 AM

    Wenger doesn’t want him Thump. The only club that’s after him is Liverpool, but after Phil Thompson’s statement they’ll be weighing the options as MA might take them to arbitration for tapping up the player (since Thompson proclaimed it was a “done deal” way before the transfer window opened).

  • 5 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM

    According to jose hes not happy being offered the same money around 50k a week how can anyone say that is not a good deal for a player that has had only 1 good season in the prem! just get a replacement now and jose can be his back up for his last season dont need players in our club like this the way he is going on is a joke hes forcing his move we shud just swap him for zog and buy a lb see if he likes it at wigan bell end

  • 6 shearerno9 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    Just because the guy is fed up and is completely sick of the current regime everybody is slating the lad, yet when joey barton does it – hes telling it as it is.

    Im glad enrique has done what he has, notice pardew has stopped running with the “fantastic offer” line? They clearly just wanted to put enrique in a hard position with the fans and the only way to get out of it was to be honest. If he doesnt want to be here so be it – but yet again its an insight to our club and how they run it, its time to face facts, hes right in what he says. Joey barton is an example – he will be out the door next season even though he is a top class player, but again we are going to hear the waffle about age and the future players…. at no other club would that happen.

  • 7 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    dummitt should get his chance tonight and leeds who knows could unearth another gem after all dummitt is a natural left back unlike ferguson who is a left winger put at left back

  • 8 Thump // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    You’re right cousto, but while we have young lads itching for a chance – can they hack a full season in the prem?

    Still a bit gutted about missing out on Zoggy, like. He played canny when he was filling in on LB too :(

  • 9 shearerno9 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:03 AM

    Also, a few months back Jose is the best left back in the country and now he could not get into a championship team??? some people on here are so fickle, get a grip

  • 10 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

    So 50k a week isnt a fantastic offer? i dont think liverpoo will offer him that

  • 11 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

    shearerno9 – difference is barton wants to b here n has said he wants to successful, jose basically slating all his team mates all new signings

  • 12 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:05 AM

    thats why the liverpool deal aint been done bcoz they wont offer him more than what hes on

  • 13 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

    Hes never been the best lb in the country

  • 14 PortsladeToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:07 AM

    Cousto,
    i don’t think you are far from the truth with thompsons comments, NUFC could well look into the tapping up procedure and i wouldn’t be surprised if they brought up the carroll deal although i’m quite happy for them to go if they don’t want to play for us they shouldn’t be here.

    Personally i think we should just replace Jose now, shove an overpriced £10 million on his head if someone pays were quids in if not dump him in the reserves until Jan then flog him to the first small club that comes in for him like Wigan or Wolves or Bolton.

  • 15 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:08 AM

    He isn’t on 50k a week and the issue is not about money anyway -it’s about ambition, so you Jose bashers need to find another ame asides Judas! Davyb – by all means give the young lads a run out and see how they do, but if you think we don’t need to spend money on a leftback I suggest you are a dumbshit!

  • 16 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:08 AM

    ame=name!

  • 17 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM

    Joey Barton was out of line, but he stayed on twitter and took his licks from the fans.
    Joey might act an arse at times but is the consummate professional on the pitch, he loves the club and it’s fans and I think he’ll get a new deal if, up to January, he’s as class as he always is.

    Enrique’s attitude the last few games has been that of a guy who doesn’t want to be here. Jose is typical of the money grabbers that some footballers are, doesn’t care that we all put up with his sh** performances for years, now he’s (and I use this lightly) a great left back (obviously spain doesn’t think so) his ego’s got him thinking he’s better than the club.

  • 18 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM

    If its not about money why did jose bring that up???????

  • 19 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    solano – did i say we didnt need to sign new players

  • 20 hongkong_magpies // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:10 AM

    He is not a Full International player yet! 50k per week is hell lot for him! Ed, his mind is not in TOON now, time to take his head out of the Banner and replaced by Jonas? I think he deserves it. :)

  • 21 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:12 AM

    solano if hes not on 50k aweek hows he been been fined 100k the max 2weeks wages
    n joses performanes since feb were of someone who has been tapped up

  • 22 shearerno9 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:12 AM

    Davy, did barton not say they were replacing the players leaving with younger cheaper options?? If you were cabaye and had just won the double in france, would you not consider yourself a bit better than nolan? even playing in the french national team.

    And thump, surely mike ashley can see that gettin a player for 6 million less than what was offered in January is a good price??? So we were never really in for the lad, if anything that bid in January was just a show to the fans??

  • 23 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM

    So how much is he on now solano???? rumours are hes been fined 2 weeks wages 100k for his tweets

  • 24 ITUNDERASHELL // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:14 AM

    What a greedy boy, one good season and he thinks he is a superstar. As for his claim that newcastle are unambitious, wrong again, Nolan was offered a two year deal and turned it down because he new better players were coming in to replace him, one Hatem Ben Afra to name names.
    Barton intends to walk away in a years time but l also expect him to perform and when he has realised he was wrong and we indeed have a better team than last season accept a rolling contract, Barton needs to shut up and stop rocking the boat or we will end up with a split dressing room.

  • 25 roy cropper // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    looks like someone left the door to the padded cell unlocked & the loon got oot!

    keep an eye on him & i’ll go get his straight jacket.

  • 26 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM

    shearerno9 – younger, cheaper BETTER players cabaye, marvuex, ba r better than players we had in there positions which means weve improved

  • 27 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM

    i disagree with some on here …. i believe that enrique was the 2nd best left back this past season … Baines is the only left back that performed better …. i think enrique should do what he wants to do … and ill still love him for what he did during his time … some people are really ungrateful and seem to forget really quickly

  • 28 macn0ble (Finland) // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:16 AM

    Players should play and not try to dictate the clubs policies. José should have kept his mouth shut.

    And for ya’ll who keep crying about that 35 mil, would you save some of it for the “bad day” if you got that sum to yourselves?

    If the club tries to balance it’s books it isn’t Josés, the fans and definetly not Shearers business.

    SO SHUT UP AND GET BEHIND THE CLUB!

  • 29 davybtoon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:17 AM

    jose is agreat player but hes been tapped up n wants out

  • 30 tiotal football // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    On a side note – saw on Ranger’s twitter yesterday him saying he’s delighted to be at our club for the next 5 years. Anyone else see that?

  • 31 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    I would say eva and cole are better than jose theve been consistant in the prem for years

  • 32 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM

    Tiote football someone put that on the last post he needs to get his head down and work on his finnishing and try to get goals when he comes on

  • 33 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM

    i always supported the club and ashley …. they were selling the older players and getting younger players .. they sold caroll for 35 mill … they bought good players …. what im trying to say is … i don’t get what ashley is doing here ??? we have a future spain international .. only 25 … he should be up there with collo and co. in wages …. there is a better re-sale value if they just got him to sing a new contract

  • 34 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:21 AM

    Evra*

  • 35 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

    evra and cole were shite last season … enrique was more consistent than them two

  • 36 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

    Ok…he’s on 50k – is it about the money or is it about investing in real terms on the team as promised by Patsy and co? Come on, Jose isn’t the first to comment on the lack of ambition and yet you guys consistently come out and tow the line that we are progressing and accuse all wantaways as being Judas. For the record, I was never saying he was the best in the country, but he’s the best (and the only ) left back we have had for some considerable time.

  • 37 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM

    This £35M debate is getting ridiculous.

    As a fan all I’m bothered about is on a match day we have 11 guys on that pitch, who want to be there and play their hearts out.
    I’d rather watch an entertaining defeat (obviously would rather we win of course) than a boring no effort draw like we saw in some games last season.

  • 38 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:24 AM

    C and b the problem is he didnt want to be here from feb so if we did throw bigger wages at him he still wouldnt sign

  • 39 thetoonarmybarracks // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    hes been fined 2 weeks wages – £100,000. And hes whinging about not getting more money. Good player, by no means great, but probably the best left back we have had for many a year but for me he has burned his bridges.

    http://thetoonarmybarracks.blogspot.com

  • 40 OttersPocket // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    Im all for ambition and aiming high, but we have only had 1 season back in Prem and are rebuilding, it takes time to do this, should we be aiming for top 6 yet? Would be nice to think we could but realistically this season top 10 is our aim. We have done well in my opinion to sign the players we have so far, we cant at the moment get players that want european football.

  • 41 PHOENIXNIGHTS // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    Jose – wants to progress as a player with a club that wants to progress – HE WILL NOT GET THAT HERE.
    He sounds as frustrated as all we are. Listen guys a lot of players are saying the same thing, NUFC is not a happy ship and will not be with the current owners/manager. Ashley wants his money back – HE WILL NOT MAKE A LOSS. If that means selling off assets and buying cheap then he will. Jose is right what he says and who can begrudge a player who wants to better himself.

  • 42 tiotal football // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    I still think that Enrique is one of the best left backs in the EPL (behind the likes of cole, clichy, evra and baines)

    But it’s immature and unprofessional of him to speak out against his employers like this and shows a lack of respect for his superiors and also for the club, since they own it. Macn0ble is right, Jose’s job is to give his all on the pitch in every game not be involved in how our club is run.

  • 43 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:28 AM

    Think Ranger was having a dig at the situation.

    Jose basically said that the players we had aren’t good enough (for the top 6) compared to who we’ve sold. Which is a bit of an insult to your fellow employees.

    Personally I would have set Tiote on him.

  • 44 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    i know that @38 … but just because he doesn’t want to be here doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the best left backs in the country

  • 45 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    We are slowly progressing tho we went from championship to mid table in the prem the next step is top half we will keep building on what weve got

  • 46 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    There you go- a bit humility from a negger- never once have I seen any from you Chubster lovers. You were filling theses threads with lists of exotic names we were going to buy and prove us wrong and now the money has disappeared (Paul Daniels would be proud of that trick) you still defend the “plan”. You mugs get what you deserve- the majority don’t and after giving everyone a fair crack of the whip, have been let down again.

  • 47 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    Lets get this straight Jose is already the second highest paid left back in the country behind Ashley Cole. people say its not about the money and about ambition. Sounds like the same bull that people said about Nolan (who dropped down a division for more money). Although Im not saying all but for some footballers who are on ridiculous amounts of money already, it is purely about the cash. we have put footballers in a position now where they think they are untouchable (in most things they do) Lets face it you opened up a social network sight where people only followed you because of who you worked for and you started slagging that company off, how long before you were sacked for gross misconduct? The only reason Jose has followers is because he is fortunate to be employed as proffesional footballer and to slag off the very employers who pay him so much is disrespectful at the very least.

  • 48 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    C and b hes in the top 5 with the lads mentioned above and hes been our best for years

  • 49 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    Cousto – surely some ambition would be to invest more than Swansea City have in the last 5 years?

  • 50 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    jose only talked about their policies … or did i miss something ???

  • 51 SouthLincsToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM

    re: Rangers Twitter.

    If you go through the transcripts it’s just a bit of banter between him and JoeyBarton. JB was taking the p*ss cos he was thrashing him at FIFA, so NR was winding him up that he’s got a 5yr contract and JB’s only got a year.

  • 52 Marty-Toon // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM

    A better player than Babayaro that’s for sure….no competition there.He’s our best Lb since forever.
    Ed says that he should have talked to AP or MA?
    Do you really think that would help.
    AP cannot do anything about who is leaving and contracts and MA doesn’t give a hoot about what Jose or any other player thinks about how he runs his club.

  • 53 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM

    So solano you just gona watch our team next season and moan that the players playing have no ambition and say they are all shite and not get behind them

  • 54 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:36 AM

    Kidda…the fans contribute towards those wages and I think he has shown some balls in telling it how he sees it and hasn’t been disrespectful to those that matter. Ashley doesn’t pay it out of his own pocket, we are a perfect self-financing business model remember?

  • 55 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    C and b he said they only give me the same money aswell thats just greed hes on 50k

  • 56 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    exactly @53

  • 57 Nick 69 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:38 AM

    eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM

    If its not about money why did jose bring that up???????

    To prove his point that the current regime are complete liars, if you notice his next sentence after saying he hasnt been offered this fantastic offer, but the extact same, was that its not about money, but about them not wanting to spend on bringing in quality players.

    And also, you say 50k is a great offer, yes it would be, however for someone who has improved as much as Jose has this last 2 years he deserves to be on more than he currently is. With Barton on a reprted 65k and Coloccini on 70-90k depending which reports you believe then he deserves to be level with those at least, as he is just as good a player

  • 58 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:39 AM

    Solano I refuse to get into the ambition or money debates, not a FCB lover, but don’t agree with the general consensus of the neggers on here.

    If players like Jose don’t want to be here and are basically engineering move away (like Tevez is doing) using some sh*te excuse that the fans will latch onto, then tell him to jog on.

    We don’t know what goes on behind doors and what’s been said. Jose has made his move, hopefully the club will do the right thing and strip him of his squad number and put him up for sale.

    Just have to ask yourself what would Sir Alex do? You can be the biggest player in the world, but speak out against him or Man Utd and your feet don’t touch the ground.

  • 59 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:40 AM

    Support the team for 90mins but won’t let the big picture fade from sight, because it dominates everything that happens out on the pitch. You have let the club be hijacked by a conscience-free profiteer and his team will reflect his ambitions, not mine. “the day he leaves the club, will be a good day for Newcastle fans” – who said that? Judas?

  • 60 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    Solano that is ridiculous. my money pays the checkout girls wages is the supermarket, but I would think it would be disrespectful for her to complain to everybody that came to her till about her employer, the same as a waiter in a restuarant, and the guy in the bank etc etc etc. discontent should be something which is discussed between employee and employer in private, not shouted out to what is really the customers ( as you are a guy who claims to have ran a business, you should know this)

  • 61 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:43 AM

    Cousto- if it ever came to a player taking on fergie, no doubt the player would be away toute de suite – but the money would be re-invested in quality and someone would be lined up. Is that likely to happen, taking into account your experience of the last 4 years?

  • 62 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    He also knows that we are trying to bring our wages down for when the rules kick in colo will get a new offer but it wont be anywhere near the money he is on now but jose mention money so that has a big part of it yeah hes been offered the same put i bet there is some good bonuses in that contract aswell which our players should have make them earn their money they want!

  • 63 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    Enrique is potentially one of the best leftbacks in Europe,he wants to play in the champions league.As he says he will never ever get there with us,our only ambition is fourth bottom..He is wasting his career being here.

  • 64 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    Like I said kidda, you are either a quisling or a lemming but you are not worthy of being a fan of this club.

  • 65 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    Cousto just one player rooney

  • 66 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    cousta — we are not man united … we don’t have sir alex … we cant afford to sell our best player cheaply or let him go on free … he can .. we cant ….

  • 67 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM

    How is our ambition 4th bottom pards has been told top 10 or your out

  • 68 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM

    Solano you come out with random comments claiming them to be true without any facts or evidence to back any of it up, You really are a neggar. Either back up what you say or shut up. You claim to be an accountant and that mike ashley is using the club for profit. How???? back this up with facts or evidence, or admit that your full of shite and just come up with random statements that you have probably heard from other neggars on here.

  • 69 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:51 AM

    Ahh the new rules! Here they come to save the day! The whole set-up is dominated by in debt clubs that contribute the most to the coffers of UEFA, yet they are going to cut their nose off to spite their face? Platini is a good guy but there is no power behind it. The cartel of the top European clubs (of which we were members before Mike arrived) simply will not be dictated to because they call the tune. We gotta save ourselves, not wait for an administrative revolution

  • 70 Nick 69 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:51 AM

    bringing our wage bill down should be done be gettin rid of the sh1te such as Xisco and Alan Smith who are on the same and more than Jose, now tell me how that is fair? is Jose only worth the same as Xisco and less than Smith? and we have already brought wage bill down considerably since we have gotten rid of Carroll, Campbell, Nolan, Kuqi and even Irelands wages which is gonna be over 130k/week saved

  • 71 OttersPocket // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    Man U did not spend the Ronaldo money straight away, they waited for the right players to become available, were they showing lack of ambition with 80m burning a hole?

  • 72 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    Solano how can you put platini abd good guy in the same sentance lol

  • 73 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Kidda….Mactoon warned you last night about making things up. I claimed to be a fan not an accountant. Remember what side you’re on? You get turned on by balance sheets, I judge the the team on the pitch by results and entertainment value.

  • 74 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM

    Nick I agree Xisco and smith are way over paid, however this is a perfect example of players caring more about cash than ambition, even if you gave these players away nobody else would pay there wages, and these greedy shits wont take a paycut to move clubs and play, they would rather bleed us dry and warm the bench. And also another example of why we need younger hungry players as well (remember smith came to us with a good pedigree and reputation, and now we are stuck with him on high wages)

  • 75 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:56 AM

    There is alot of things said in public that totaly conflict with what has been said in private.All these players we have bid for Nzogbia,gamerio,gervinho,taylor,when we had absolutely no intention of getting them.Keegan confirmed this policy himself.35m invested in team yeah right,our best players arent leaving etc,etc.
    Fourth bottom and a net profit will do for Ashley.

  • 76 Rotonda heights // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:57 AM

    when i first saw that headline, i thought

    1) The USA trip or
    2) Appointing Pardew as manager.

  • 77 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:57 AM

    Yeah weve saved but you havent put the new guys wages down so what you said doesnt count i never said he doesnt deserve more money that is the offer that has been put in front of him and if you dont think its a good deal then you must be mad how can we offload smith noone wants to meat his wages same with xisco and it looks like the same with jose

  • 78 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM

    Solano you dont judge by results and entertainment, if you did you would have been full of praise for the club, in what they achieved last year (some remarkable results). Instead you are already doom and gloom for the season ahead before a ball has been kicked. like I said a neggar through and through.

  • 79 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    C + B didn’t say we were. But we’ll never have any chance of being a good team if we have players who challenge authority, it brings discord and malcontent to the camp which can make on field performances suffer.

    We’ve got players who have won more than Enrique and are internationals wanting to be here, he’s not even 2nd choice for his country (or even represented them) and he feels he can make an opinion?

  • 80 Nick 69 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:03 AM

    eaststandgeordie1982 – the new guys wages dont count against that money saved because as Pardew has said many a time, the £35mil has beent spent on the new wages, so new players wages cant both be coming off the wages saved AND from the £35mil can they?

  • 81 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM

    What jose did was wrong,if one player slags off the club then you blame the player,but he is not the first is he? Nolan,barton,Shearer,Keegan,these people are honest pros who have been let down by the club.

  • 82 eaststandgeordie1982 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:07 AM

    Well you put their wages together for the whole contract and signing on fees, agent fees and the price we paid for cabaye add that all up that goes past the 35m the if erding signs add 7m transfer fee but shite he cant get paid cos the 35m has gone

  • 83 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:09 AM

    The new rules are rubbish.Man city have got round them already by getting £200 mill for stadium naming rights.How much will we get from Sports Direct?

    Ma is owed arround £130 mill (so called debt at the last count)
    So i expect Turnover £130 mill – Expenditure £80 mill = £50 mill profit (2010/11 season)

    Therefore MA is owed £80 mill as at 6/2011
    Hopefully he will have cleared the debt in 2 years and sells the club.

  • 84 sticklebricks // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    Jose loves the fans/history/culture of this club, I’m sure he would love to stay but wants to play for a succesful club. I’m sure it’s really frustrating for him not seeing us bring in big name strikers and new signings.

    He is already on a great salary for a LB, to me the new deal he has been offered is basically just an extension of his exsisting deal, and I guess he thinks he/his reputation has improved since he came to the club/signed his last contract and so should be earning more. However what he does need to understand is that his exsisting deal was overinflated and is what a top LB should now be on hence no increase.

    If we could just bring in one or two big name signings, I don’t think Jose would hesitate to sign an extension.

  • 85 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    Enrique has got far to big for his boots im afraid, lets rewind to when we got relegated and nobody wanted our overpriced “stars”…

    Jose Enrique – nobody wanted him, fact
    Kevin Nolan – nobody wanted him (only signed for us in jan)
    Joey Barton – nobody wanted him, too much trouble at the time
    Andy Carroll – few clubs sniffed around, i think the fee people were talking about was £1m-£2m but nobody took the risk.

    What im trying to say is that the 4 examples above wouldnt of been at the club if other teams came in for them when we went down….and it turns out that we got £39m just for nolan and carroll. And people who always moan that the carroll money wont be re-invested just remember that if ashley didnt buy as we would have eventually folded. im not a mike ashley fan but id rather support newcastle in the present rather than harp on about the past 1996/97 and all that crap…just be grateful the club is still here.

  • 86 solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    Realist and a fan of Newcastle not the owner or the chairman. You are a fool and an apologist. we flirted with relegation last year and I don’t see how the squad has improved since.
    What is clear, the fans have been mislead over investment again and you still defend the proven liars. Shame on you.

  • 87 dave 1961 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    some on here get upset when they find out Pardew spouting lies about this fantastic contract offer to jose, when its for the same money, so I take from that a good contract would be less money. its not about money its about ambition and clearly as a club we don’t have any, its clear now that this is Ashley’s exit strategy, I thing Jose is a done deal but not until we have an excuse not to spend the money and Dummit is our new left back, so ready for the premier I cant even remember him on the bench, even when Jose was injured. every single player we have is up for sale. no investment in the squad at all.

  • 88 Nick 69 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM

    eaststandgeordie1982 – those are the clubs words the wages are from the £35m not mine!! so either your right and Erdinc cant get paid, OR as Jose has said in the comments your slagging him for, the club are lying constantly

  • 89 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM

    people who slagged off the club…

    shearer – upset because he was a crap manager and didnt get the job after we went down
    keegan – too unrealistic wanted to sign henry and beckham was never gonna happen, also lost the plot years ago, is a quitter talks rubbish all the time
    nolan – kept bumming AC when he got his move to liverpool, said they are a bigger club etc, then when it came to his contract thought hes better than he is (few season ago he couldnt get into tony mowbrays bolton side ffs)
    barton – upset because he wasnt offered the best contract at the club
    jose – upset because the board wouldnt give him the money he demanded

  • 90 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:21 AM

    Tails
    why did you not mention Cisco in your list?
    How much has he cost NUFC?

  • 91 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:21 AM

    One thing that annoys me is we keep hearing how much we owe Ashley,you dont hear how much Ellis short is owed at Sunderland or any other chairman is owed at any other club.Lets not forget a lot of our debt accumilated from rebuilding a stadium and building a training ground.Debt which was repayable over a long period of time,like a mortgage.Now it seems the debt must be settled within the next five years.

  • 92 dave 1961 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    some on here seem to have football manager mixed up with a banking game, we are a weak squad, we cant score goals, so far we have scored 2 goals against a none league Darlington side, if anyone cant see the warning signs they must be totally thick, its either that or i’m sum sort of higher for of intelligence or something, although I did get the highest marks at collage before I went on to start my own business, I am no football expert but the warning signs are flashing away I am just a football fan but the risks are in my face, oh yes and did not Pardew convince Cabaye we were after a place in the Europa, what a shock he’s in for.

  • 93 cousto // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Brighter note, just put my bet on next seasons final league positions. For a £10 bet I get over £100k back if they are all right.
    1. Man Utd
    2. City
    3. Chelsea
    4. Arsenal
    5. Cesspool
    6. Spuds
    7. Stoke
    8. NUFC
    9. Villa
    10. Mackems
    11. WBA
    12. Everton
    13. Fulham
    14. Bolton
    15. QPR
    16. Wigan
    17. Wolves
    18. Norwich
    19. Blackburn
    20. Swansea

    I can’t wait to watch Liverpool fall on their arses and the oh so loyal kop fans turn on their messiah like they do so well.

  • 94 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    Tails
    You have really lost the plot

    Ma has cost us the fans £34 mill at least with his stupid mistakes 11 mill for managers + 23 mill for lost tv revenue as the result of relegation.Why should we pay for his stupid mistakes.

    As for KK you have just proved you are no fan of Newcastle United.You are nothing but a Ashley sh*thouse.The sooner this gambler and his cronies f**k off the better.

    Call yourself a fan ?

  • 95 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    CLOIN

    Was just mentioning the more talked about players, but you’re right Xisco is another expensive flop, esp when we are crying out for a striker…hughton never played him and he was out on load last season so pardew couldnt play him – atm we are crying out for a striker, could Xisco be that bad? i know hes cost a lot of cash but he either is crap in training OR they cant play him because it will result in additional transfer fees to his old club…However although xisco is an expensive flop…look at bassong sold him to spurs for £8m didnt really miss him and bought him the season before for £500k…so it does even out a little bit. I still want to either see xisco play a few games to see if hes any good…if not get rid but unlike some of our players nobody wants poor old xisco

  • 96 dave 1961 // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    cousto I would take that now.

  • 97 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM

    Solano you claim to judge by entertainment and results on the pitch but yet you still rant on about how you cant see how we have improved since last year. the transfer window has seen 1 first team player leave (who was asking for £15 million in wages) and brought in 3 possible first team players, and one excellent young player who could really do well in the future and we still have another month of the window, and yet you still cant see how we improved? like I say you come up with random statements with out anything to back it up.

  • 98 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM

    CLOIN

    if you want to wank over KK glory years fine by me, i support newcastle united in the present and care about the future, if it were up to people like you we’d still be trying to sign over 33 yr old wasters like kluivert, luque and the others.

  • 99 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:31 AM

    dave 1961 —- its preseason ffs …. you want them to win 5-0 every game or just build their fitness and make them gel together …. they will start to play when the season starts and not now … is this your first preseason … we lost against leyton 6 -1 or 0 2 yrs ago in preseason .. i bet you were shitting yourself back then

  • 100 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    Kidda making things up again and avoiding answering any questions that he finds awkward.

    typical bs poster on here.

  • 101 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    I will never forget the start of the 88/89 season we had just sold Gazza,goddard and mcdonald,three good first team players.We replaced them with Hendrie,Thorn,Beasant and Robertson.
    6000 of us at goodison park first game,high expectations,34 seconds later(we had kick off}we were relagated.4-0 defeat and it went down from there.Too many of our best players were sold over a short period of time and replaced with inferior ones,history may repeat itself again.

  • 102 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:34 AM

    CLOIN

    Yes i call myself a fan and im being realistic, you however are in the clouds if you still stick up for KK, if you want to watch old dvdS from over 20 years ago great but im more concerned about the future.

  • 103 SincerelySamuel // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    i say we should keep him unless we get offered the £13mil hes easily worth dont let him leave sign a good left back to give genuine competition because if we keep this squad and add another striker nd LB i think top 6 is possible (note: not certain just possible) and if we are on target for that then he may sign a new deal offered to him in december if he doesnt sign but instead starts negotiating a pre-contract in jan then put his understudy in the lineup for the last 6 months so he can have full bedded in then let J-E stew on the bench….P.S. Anyone else think Bassong would be a good buy at £5mil very versatile and very good player cameroon international tho so wd be missing for ACN

  • 104 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    KK could come back to NUFC tomorrow and if backed by a decent chairman would have us in the top 6 within 2 years it has nothing to do with 20 years ago

    KK was the best thing to happen to this club both as player and manager its a disgrace that so called fans could even think about having a go at him let alone say it.You are a proven sh*thouse by your comments.

  • 105 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    mac toon you aint asking any questions. I have asked several from you and solano but you never seem to answer you just come out with random statement. I have a few questions lets see if you are solano answer between you.
    1, you claim that Ashlley is using the club for a profit, How? where is the evidence that any money is leaving the club?
    2, solano says the team hasnt improved in the window. how when we have replaced 1 first team player with 3 (im not including sol cambell cause he wasnt worth a contract in first place)
    3, How can solano defend enrique’s actions on a social network site against his employers who made him the second highest paid player in his position in the league?

    Dont think you will asnwer them and that you will just make up statements and claim them to be fact.

  • 106 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    no need to be disrespectful cloin …

  • 107 tails // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    CLOIN

    “KK could come back to NUFC tomorrow and if backed by a decent chairman would have us in the top 6 within 2 years it has nothing to do with 20 years ago”

    hahahahaahahaha 20 years ago has everything to do with it….you need to forget about that and look to the FUTURE you complete idiot, dont you know how money has affected football over the last decade…we arent the powehouse we once were, we’ll get there in time but it will take time. and nobody will buy us untill our finances are in better shape.

  • 108 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 10:57 AM

    kidda, I have answered all the questions you aimed at me and you decide to ignore them, say I’ve said things I haven’t and ignore direct simple questions.

    Your credibility is zero and your posts are bs.

    1, you claim that Ashlley is using the club for a profit

    I have never said or claimed this and it is another example of your vicious bs and making up things about what people have said on here at the same time you dodge any discussion/questions you cannot answer.

  • 109 ramboreilly // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    At the end of the day the club is still for sale.Ashley wants to reduce the debt in order for this to take place.He wont take any money out in the meantime,other than reducing the debt owed to him.Once the sale goes through I expect him to make a good profit.
    Talk of a 5 year plan is a joke.The guy sees Newcastle as a millstone round his neck and cant wait to get rid of it.

  • 110 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    MacToon // Jul 25, 2011 at 11:00 PM

    kidda, he’s made nearly £50 mil profit from player sales.

  • 111 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    Tails
    You must have dementure because KK managed us 3 years ago
    numptey

  • 112 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    Now that reads to me that you are saying he has made profit from the club, unless you meant the club have recieved £50 million from player sales which is a completely different thing at all together, and if thats what you meant I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

  • 113 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    kidda you are picking that totally out of context, I went on to say:

    ha ha kidda, I’ll say it again but in different ways.

    £50 million in profit has been made on player sales since Ashley bought the club.
    or
    The club has made £50 million in profits since Ashley has owned the club. Considering Ashley owns the club outright, 100% he has effectively made £50 mil in profit on player sales.

    —————————————-

    and as I said I never claimed he’s using the club for profit so get your facts right numbskull.

    Big difference but you obviously cannot understand!

  • 114 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    Kidda @104

    MA is taking money out of the club if you care to get a set of accounts you will see that he took £12.3 mill in 2010 and will take 16.5 mill in 2011 = £28.8 mill (its all in last years accounts)

  • 115 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:18 AM

    You are guilty of selective reading and trying to twist what is said to suit your own arguements.

    Like I say, your credibility is zero.

  • 116 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    and for your information, £50 million is not turnover it is gross profit, so as you tried to point out the difference to me as a parting shot I’ll just let you know that I am aware of the difference between gross and net profits whereas you seem a little lacking in your understanding.

  • 117 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:31 AM

    Mac

    £50 mill profit will be made for the season just ended and i must admit that MA is good at one thing and thats hypnotising some of the sheep on here.

  • 118 kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM

    Cloin if somebody leant you say £10,000 interest free, would you accuse them of trying to use you to make money if they were just taking payments back with out the interest. of course not. He is actually losing money on the loans due to the lack of interest. It is saving the club millions in interest to the banks.

    MacToon your guilty of making statements with no actual point.

  • 119 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM

    CLOIN, seriously this guy kidda is venomous, he’s lying about what people say and tries to twist your words. That’s 4 times now he’s done it with me.

  • 120 king of the quick step // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    Jose is class, yes he is frustrated and can you blame the guy, MA is only concerned about padding his pockets and not about the passion of football in the North East. He should be spending and trying to bring in the best talents available, instead he is search hard and long for the “free transfers”, which is fine, but we need to spend as well.

    Jose has gotten better and better with each season, by far the best LB in the EPL, great service, excellent speed, strong on the ball, and can play with the ball at his feet, we have always been leaky at the back and if he goes then it will only get worse.

    I really hope we do well this campaign and can keep him, and hopefully he will have a change of heart and sign a new contract by Jan.

  • 121 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    MacToon your guilty of making statements with no actual point.

    That is your opinion and I’m fine with that.

  • 122 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM

    solano // Jul 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Kidda….Mactoon warned you last night about making things up.

    ——————————————–

    I’m not the only one to notice it too.

  • 123 roy cropper // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:45 AM

    kidda // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM

    Cloin if somebody leant you say £10,000 interest free, would you accuse them of trying to use you to make money if they were just taking payments back with out the interest. of course not. He is actually losing money on the loans due to the lack of interest. It is saving the club millions in interest to the banks………

    he’s loaning himself the money & therefore saving himself millions in interest to the banks – so what he loses in one hand he gains in the other.

    so thanks for f@ck all mikey boy.

  • 124 Cheick and Bake // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    cloin is a sheep ….

  • 125 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    DL stated MA would NOT take any of the loan out of NUFC until the club was sold

    This is obviously another lie because he is

    I know he wants it back but why tell lies.We as NUFC fans didn’t saddle him with the £100 debt ( £70 mill by the way was for the stadium only £30 mill was debt.)
    Its only through his stupidity that we are where we are.Nobodys fault but his and we are paying for it.

  • 126 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    @Tails 89

    ‘people who slagged off the club…

    shearer – upset because he was a crap manager and didnt get the job after we went down
    keegan – too unrealistic wanted to sign henry and beckham was never gonna happen, also lost the plot years ago, is a quitter talks rubbish all the time
    nolan – kept bumming AC when he got his move to liverpool, said they are a bigger club etc, then when it came to his contract thought hes better than he is (few season ago he couldnt get into tony mowbrays bolton side ffs)
    barton – upset because he wasnt offered the best contract at the club
    jose – upset because the board wouldnt give him the money he demanded’

    Ok lad, this is a useful post in some ways as it shows two things-

    1) the shameless level MA’s Apologists, like you are willing to stoop to defend him and his policies in slagging off some of the ambassadors of our club.

    2) it is a useful list of MA’s biggest errrors which you paradoxically use to defend him thus showing the degree to which the blurb he delivers via Pardew and Lambias is actually effective on our more mentally challenged fans such as yourself, evidently.

    As for the list itself, here is the true version:

    People who slagged off Ashley, not the club:

    Shearer-for a start hasn’t been reported as being upset nor calling the club. Despite having no managerial experience was given a near impossible job to motivate a squad of unsettled and demoralised players who had already given up having seen three managersand their respective systems come and go that season-Allardyce, Keegan, Kinnear.
    Keegan-didn’t want Beckham or Henry this is just a ridiculous claim. Was upset at being undermined by Dennis Wise-a man who achieved nothing in football in comparison with KK and knows nothing about Newcastle United and it’s supporters. KK seen selling Milner as a move backwards and opposed it. Is that unrealistic? He didn’t quit but was constructively dismissed as proven in court.
    Nolan-our most consistent scorer since Shearer retired and the closest thing to the Big Al in terms of leadership over the last two seasons. Central in our promotion back to the PL in terms of goals and team spirit, central to our final position last season. Netted a hat trick against the Scum, SAY NO MORE. Left not due to money but because he disagrees with the policy that allows our greatest assets to be sold-i.e. AC and becasue he expressed this concern he was a threat to the conveyor belt system.
    Barton-upset becasue Carrol left and now Nolan, sees from the inside that the club is being ran more for profit than footballing ambition. Understands the fans and the desire to compete, doesn’t agree with the conveyor belt system.
    Jose-like barton is upset becasue he has ambitions to progress and compete in Europe and would like to do so at this club where he understands the fans and wants to match their ambition, unlike the owner who is happy as long as the club profits, even at the risk of dropping further down the leaugue.

  • 127 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    GBS

    well said that man

    I’m sick of these tossers on here and am glad that there are some of us who pull them on their stupid statements.I would really like to bump into some of these cretins at the match but i very much doubt it

  • 128 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM

    considering the lack of communication from the club itself I would suggest that the only source of inside information we have are the likes of Jose, Barton, Nolan, Carrol, Keegan, Shearer-people who have been there and seen forst hand what Ashley is about. All of these people bar Shearer have made comments against the Ashley regime despite their love of our club and supporters. Is this not evidence enough that this fat cockney geezer doesn’t give two sh1ts about us and in fact has shown what can almost be described as contempt for us supporters? As long as Tolerators, Apologists, Happy Clappers and the Deluded keep lining his pockets, this man will maintain mediocrity. Oh but thats ok isn’t it, at least we’re not in debt.

  • 129 OttersPocket // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    GBS

    Not to pick at what you said but the Allardyce left the season before we were relegated.

  • 130 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    GBS (well said) and Cloin, I’m in agreement and somebody said last night that some of the things people come out with is embarrassing and I’d agree with that too.

  • 131 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    Shearer has said and insinuated he would come back to SJP to manage but not while Ashley owns it. Speaks volumes and lets not forget Lamearses tirade against the great goal scorer.

  • 132 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM

    BOYCOTT NUFC merchandise and shops, BOYCOTT the food and drink stalls in SJP, BOYCOTT Sports Direct. This is the only true way to support NUFC these days. Be more daring BOYCOTT SJP completely and spend your money on away games.

    If anyone wants to join me I’ll be singing Harry Palmer and anti-Ashley tunes outside the stadium and SD throughout next season-I’m the one with the long hair and the guitar!

  • 133 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:13 PM

    MACT

    These are not real Mags because real Newcastle fans appreciate what KK,AS,KN ect have done for us.

    These are misguided morons

  • 134 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    Otters

    My mistake, though the point still stands.

  • 135 OttersPocket // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    CLOIN

    I would never have a bad word for Shearer or Keegan.
    In regards to Nolan, I think he done brilliantly for us, hi leadership and goals tally were excellent, however I agree with not giving him the 5 year contract and agree with trying to replace him with younger, quicker and more skillful players.

  • 136 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:20 PM

    Over 40 years of attending matches at SJP and I have never heard so much bs in my life. The internet has a lot to answer for lmao.

    It is ofc school holidays so it’s not going to get much better.

  • 137 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

    Otters
    I would’t have give Nolan a 5 year contract either but some on here calling him fat,finished at 28 are just dis respectfull and out of order and as for the morons calling KK and AS they want a good slapping

  • 138 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM

    GBS, you serious about long hair and guitar? If so I’ll look for you and say hi, already met some from this blog and they’ve now disappeared after becoming disillusioned by the blog and some of it’s fans.

  • 139 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    p.s. you dont have or did have a dog GBS?

  • 140 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:33 PM

    haha Mac I am deadly serious, I’ll be at as many games as I can strumming away my Ashley blues, though I refuse to enter the stadium itself, and I haven’t since KK the saga-ideally I’d like people like yourelf to do so as I see it as the only foolproof way of sending a message to MA but I also understand how difficult it is to not attend, especially after 40 years-there are differing degrees of protest however, at least don’t buy his pies or beer and merchandise!

    And yes I do have a dog, now slightly concerned that the Apologists will hunt me down!!

  • 141 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM

    @mactoon 136: I think all the real fans (those who are interested in the football team and are not obsessing about the owner) have become disillusioned with this blog. It used to be a pleasure to come on here and debate next saturday’s team or hear about the progress of some of the youngsters. Now it’s just a slagging match between those who aren’t obsessing about the owner and want to talk football and those who are obsessing. The language is getting more and more insidious, CLOIN and MACTOON above you just seem to want to have a go at people for no good reason. We’ve had tossers and morons from CLOIN, numbskull from MACTOON. I’m sure those not obsessing with MA have used a few expletives too. Why doesn’t everybody just calm down, respect the fact that people have a different opinion and then start talking about football again.
    While accepting that he has made some mistakes (who hasn’t) I sit happily in the camp that are happy to see if Ashley’s new policy works before we judge him/it. I understand that other people are angry with Ashley & co for not spending enough money and seemingly being economical with the truth and I respect their decision. Now, can we move on and talk about football and agree that neither side is right or wrong there are simply just two different opinions?

  • 142 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM

    @GBS 138: Not apologists, just more interested in the team than obsessing with the owner.

  • 143 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM

    GBS, I might know you then lol…. maybe.

    I have already boycotted the stadium, it’s shops and ofc Ashley’s other businesses. Last game I went to was when KK was in charge. Last season ticket I had SBR was in charge. I have my principles and stick to them.

    I might come and say hi then outside SJP some home game ;)

  • 144 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Felipe, fyi I only react when provoked and come here for the craic.

    kidda has been provoking me for the last day and he lies, tries to say I’ve said things I haven’t and obviously has misguided loyalties.

    I have read your posts and tbh they have not even been worth answering upto now as you have invited me into a debate with you.

  • 145 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    Anyeay another who should look at the whole picture instead of picking things out of context.

    95% of my posts if not more are along the lines of having some Toon banter, nothing more nothing less.

    Anyway I’m outta here for now, will catch up l8r.

  • 146 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    fil
    You should read all of the points before you have a go at me

    I am sick of the same people on here trying to dishonour the heroes of my team and if i can get their attention by calling them these names then i will.If you agree with their points of view then you are exactly the same as them.I am appalled and ashamed to have so called supporters of my club calling these people.These are not true supporters.

  • 147 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    Good on you Mac, i commend you. It would be a pleasure to meet you, if as you say we haven’t met already! As long as you join in with the singing!!! or bring a bongo drum or something lol. Might even do a couple of Knopfler numbers for the crack!

    Felipe

    It is precisely that I am interested more in the team than the owners financial meanderings that I express my disapproval. Too often are tolerators/apologists of MA quoting accountancy figures to justify a blatant lack of investment in the team. I am encouraged that you accept MA’s mistakes in the past but surprised that you see it as different now-there is no new policy, he is doing the same as he always has-profiting from the reputation of our great support while risking our status as a top club. Solano made an interesting point earlier today that Newcastle have invested less in the team than Swansea City have in the last 5 years, astonishing really when you consider the gulf in the level of support between the two clubs. It is impossible to discuss footballing matters when the owner himself has an onus on financial profit as oppose to footballing progress which is why there is a divide among fans-those who see this and those who don’t.

  • 148 toonbrother // Jul 26, 2011 at 1:15 PM

    Jose was one of newcastle’s two world class players last season the other being Joey Barton. The fact he cant wait to leave the club is an indictment of the Ashley regime. If there is one player we needed kept happy it was Enrique and he failed miserably Enrique spoke the truth £35million for Carrol. Where DID ALL THE MONEY GO???? Newcastle FC isnt sports direct i.e some thrashy bottom feeding brand that exists to fatten the pockets of a fat faced owner. This is a proud historic club that deserves to have players of Enrique’s calibre begging to join us. As for pardew , he’s just a yes man and a joke. At least now we know why Chris was inexplicably sacked for this Southampton reject.Fat face Mike just needed an obsequious manservant to front as the team’s manager. Bloody disgrace

  • 149 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 1:24 PM

    Well said Toonbrother, fully agree.

  • 150 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 2:22 PM

    @gbs147: Both sides quote accountancy figures that they know absolutely nothing about. NUFC is not a public company so they are not published.
    I understand you think that his policy of no longer bringing in expensive players on huge wages is risking our status as a top club and I respect that opinion, however my opinion is that we tried the expensive player/high wages approach under Shepherd and it wasn’t successful so I am prepared to give this new policy a try.
    As for solano’s comment which he is perfectly entitled to. I prefer to judge the team on performance and I have to say I would be highly surprised if we finish below swansea this season or if indeed swansea manage a better first season finish that we did last season. So, let the football do the talking and lets all move on…

  • 151 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 2:27 PM

    @toonbrother 148: In my opinion it is not an indictment of Ashley. I think sometimes we just have to recognise that it is not possible to keep your best players no matter which team you are. Man Utd couldn’t keep Ronaldo, Arsenal can’t keep Fabregas or Nasri, Spurs can’t keep Modric. I understand Enrique is now the highest player at the club but yet he wants more and/or champions league football, you can’t blame him for that, yet like all of the above, he carries out his quest for a pay rise in the public domain, hoping to force himself a transfer. I don’t agree with doing that.

  • 152 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 2:34 PM

    @cloin 146: Sorry CLOIN I don’t have time to read every post written on here, I have other things to do. I just read the posts you made today and they are all aggressive and attacking other people and have nothing much to do with football.
    I don’t think anyone is trying dishonour the heroes of your team, I’m pretty sure that any supporter on here would back the playing record of KK and the success he brought our club even if they bring up the fact that he walked out on not only us but pretty much every club and country he managed. It’s a shame they used an emotive word like quitter perhaps that’s what makes you so aggressive. Again, I don’t think you’ll find any supporter on here slagging off the playing record of Shearer, possibly our best ever player, certainly in the EPL, however you might get divided opinion (isn’t that what a forum is for) on whether he is cut out for management. There might be the odd mackem masquerading on here as a supporter who is trying to wind you up but why not just ignore them and talk football. Otherwise they are very clearly succeeding in their efforts…

  • 153 CLOIN // Jul 26, 2011 at 2:35 PM

    Fel
    The only reason Enrique is still here is because no one is prepared to meet his asking price.As soon as he gets an acceptable price Enrique is gone.He doesn’t need to force anything he wont sign a new contract and before 1stSep he will be gone so i totally disagree with that point.

    When you recieve £30 mill for your top striker and say you will spend it on the aquad you should.Enrique has seen our best players sold on without adequate replacements brought in no wonder he wont sign because i wouldn’t sign for these either and i’m a Geordie.

  • 154 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 4:09 PM

    GBS, did you post here with another name at any time?

    Will defo look for you strumming away outside SJP ;) n have a pint in the Strawberry lol

    Felipe, I take it from the lack of reply to me you have listened to me and accept my reasons, fair enough.

  • 155 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    @CLOIN: It doesn’t sound like we disagree much on Enrique except that I think he is using twitter to force a move and you don’t. Big deal we disagree. Otherwise I agree with you that he will probably leave if anyone matches his fee/wages. There are not many clubs who will match his current wages mind you.
    As for the £35m for Carroll, I believe the statement was that all of the money would go back into the football club. Some have interpreted that as all being spent on transfers, fair enough. But in my opinion as long as we are improving the squad I’m not bothered how much it costs. We’ll know at the end of January how much has gone into the squad. We’ll know at the end of May whether we’re improving as a team. Until then why don’t we all just talk about football?

  • 156 Felipe // Jul 26, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    @Mactoon: Sorry, I didn’t even realise you were looking for a reply. Last you posted you said you were off….
    Last you said to me was that my posts weren’t worth answering which is your call, no big deal.

  • 157 MacToon // Jul 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM

    Ha ha whatever!

  • 158 GoalsBringSmiles // Jul 26, 2011 at 5:40 PM

    Mactoon

    Na pal I’ve always been GBS! Pint in the strawberry sounds spot on!! If you can’t see me at SJP listen out for a Harry Palmer classic: ‘geordie boys we are here wohoo wohoo, geordie boys we are here wohooo wohoo geordie boys we are here slap your lass with a christmas tree wohoo ah wohoo wohooo!’ classic!

    Felipe

    ‘I understand you think that his policy of no longer bringing in expensive players on huge wages is risking our status as a top club and I respect that opinion’

    I have never expressed a desire for NUFC to spend ridiculous amounts on players and wages in the vane of liverpool, man city etc. although that would be nice.I simply wish that MA would ensure that we have a squad capable of competing. The problem I have is that I cannot see where the goals will come from as things stand. If we are intent on getting rid of our best performers i.e. AC and KN then we should at least replace them like for like. Cabaye may replace Nolan’s goals, maybe even his leadership but this is a risk. Taking risks with players is fine, especially when they’re cheap but it’s wise to keep your better players when doing so or bring in more proven quality which doesn’t necessarily cost 10m+, not with a super scout as carr is alleged to be. Also we are still drastically short of decent back-up, we have a few unproven players likely to be considered first team starters, backed up by unproven youngsters likely to be too wet behind the lugs to compete not only with the big guns but with the sh1te who will scrap for points and survival.

    I’m not a ‘doom mongerer’, really, but I find it incredibly difficult to redeem any sense of optimism from the current situation. i don’t come on this blog to berate the views of optimistic fans or to put a downer on things but to express my concerns which I believe are well founded. When somebody gives me a true reason to look forward to next season then I will hold my hands up and say I was wrong. Otherwise it’s all fabricated hope, resting on the shoulders of a few cheap Frenchmen.




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