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Next Up Is Tricky Carling Cup Tie At Scunthorpe

10:24 am, Tuesday, August 23rd, 2011 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 170 Comments

One thing we really liked about Chris Hughton is that he never let himself, or his players, get ahead of themselves.

Steven Taylor – take one game at a time

Whether the last match was a win, a draw or a defeat, he always had his players look at the next match as the one to win.

And Steven Taylor is showing that approach today, despite the doom and gloom that has been on Tyneside this summer, mainly because of faltering summer transfer moves.

The transfers of Andy Carroll, Kevin Nolan and Jose Enrique for around £46M,  have been met so far with the acquisition of Yohan Cabaye for around £4.5M, Gabriel Obertan for £3M and free agents Demba Ba, Sylvain Marveaux and 18 year-old Mehdi Abeid.

And Newcastle have made a good start to the season with a solid 0-0 draw against Arsenal at home and then the great 1-0 win at Sunderland.

Steven Taylor is hoping that will stop the negativity on Tyneside, as he looks forward to the Carling Cup tie on Thursday evening:

“Hopefully the first two games have sent out a bit of a statement, but we are not going to get too far ahead of ourselves. Scunthorpe on Thursday in the Carling Cup, that’s the next game.”

Last time we played at Scunthorpe’s Glanford Park we lost 2-1 in October of 2009, even though Newcastle dominated that game.

And it was only 3 days after losing at Nottingham Forest 1-0, and that was the only time that Newcastle lost two successive games that season, and of course Newcastle only lost 4 league games all season in the league, and none at home.

Alan Pardew will give some players like Steve Harper, Mike Williamson, Shane Ferguson, Haris Vuckic, Sylvain Marveaux, Demba Ba and Leon Best a game on Thursday evening, but he will need to ensure Newcastle win the tie.

The Carling Cup is Newcastle’s very best chance to win something this season, and the club will have to play strong sides in each of the ties.

You never know, maybe this is the season to get our first trophy in 43 years.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Carling Cup · Newcastle News · Steven Taylor



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170 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ronaldeano // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Nolan is urging Barton to join him and fat heed at West Ham (mirror)

  • 2 DarloGeordie // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    Nah piece of pi$$ man

    Bartoon wont go to West hamshank

  • 3 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    Wont happen

    Joey wants to play for the GB olympic team – and has his eye on the euro 2012 squad. A move to the championship gets him further away from both.

    Wrist Ham will still be there in the summer

  • 4 MrToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    please strat vukic gosling best and marv.!!!!!!!

  • 5 toonthompson // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:30 AM

    barton would not go down a league

  • 6 DarloGeordie // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    Will be great to see “Steve Harper, Mike Williamson, Shane Ferguson, Haris Vuckic, Demba Ba and Leon Best” get a game…

    What about Marveux, Tav and Abeid.

    Would be great for BA to actually show up TBH, useless so far absolutely useless

  • 7 Graeme // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM

    He needs to play Marveux and Tiote as they are nowhere near match fit. I would also play Vikuk, Ba and the major players who have not had a run out yet.

    This game is irrelevant in the scheme of things and should be used to TOOONS advantage to get players up to speed and match fit. A win would always be good but League has to be the only priority in my opinion.

  • 8 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM

    Scunny game a timely extra pre season game in my view. Pre season was a shambles for one reason or another – get Ba and Tiote match sharp and take a look at some of the kids.
    Plus give Captian Fantastic a rest, his leg must be pretty sore

  • 9 ronaldeano // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM

    Nolan on Barton:”He’s probably looking for an escape the way he’s been treated.He knows I’m here,he knows Sam and what we’re about.”

    Sam Allardyce is all about putting his fat head between his legs and smelling his own farts… And enjoying it ;0)

  • 10 barryvenison // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:37 AM

    We haven’t even made a bid for Pieter’s yet alone upped our offer. How many clubs need to come out and say we’ve never even bid for their player before you lot get it?

  • 11 arcarius // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM

    @DarloGeordie

    Only had 45 mins to show himself against Arse so far, what do you expect of him? A hat trick?

    :lol:

  • 12 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Nolan is making himself look a chump with those comments. Keep em to yourself mr strange centre parting.
    Presume a contract down there comes with an unlimited supply of bongo mags?

  • 13 toontoonblacknwhitearmy // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM

    Harper
    perch willo kadar ferguson
    vuckic gosling abeid marveaux
    best ba

    our 2nd string squad, unless he wants to play raylor or tiote, tiote to get his fitness up and raylor incase we have a new lb for saturday, even though id keep him there until he performs less impressively

  • 14 Pieter Piper // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Harper~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~Raylor~~~~~~~Willo~Colo~~~~~~Dummett~~~
    ~~~Abeid~~~~~~Gosling~Vuckic~~~~~Marveux~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Ba~Ranger~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Subs:
    – Sodeberg
    – Staylor
    – Ferguson
    – Barton
    – Sammi Ameobi.
    – Lovenkrands
    – Best

    Reasons why i didnt start Ferguson:
    – not sure if he is 100% fit yet after his pre season injury
    – Dont want to see him being turned into a Left Back
    – Would Rather dummett an actual defender get vital experience.

    P.S @Darlo, Tav is still on his 1 month loan isnt he?

  • 15 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Is it a case of phantom bids again or are we really interested in these players! Pieters or Cissokho and Maiga or Bridge n Cole?

  • 16 JimmyToonToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:44 AM

    Would be good to see Marv, Gosling and Abeid get a good run out. This is defo a good chance to get more of our players match fit.

    Will be disappointed if he fields a weak side, a good cup run is defo needed this season

    HWTL

  • 17 Stuart // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:44 AM

    I hope we dont play around with the team too much like we did in the FA Cup last season and end up crashing out early.

    We need to play a relatively strong team and really make a push for a good trophy run this year, I’m sure even a Carling Cup trophy would cheer some of you lot up lol.

  • 18 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:45 AM

    WWJBD – I dont think we were great against arsenal but with the issues we had we did ok, I think we had a game plan and we stuck to it, we looked poor up front which is my main concern but at the back we looked half decent. If we lost goals to Arsenal then it would be a different story but Pardew too a risk but playing the way we did (as he did against sunderland) and so far I cant disagree with his tactics. Im not getting carried away and I understand its a long hard season and if we conceed against teams the way we are playing at the mo we will have issues which is why I wont be happy till we have a new striker (a good one at that) and a real LB. but at the moment hes got it spot on. we havent been spiolt with the attacking football we want but hopfully in the next few games to come we will have a chance to see some of that. I think we will see some good stuff from Cabay as he should have more time on the ball in the coming fixtures.

  • 19 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    Nolan isn’t looking like a chump at all and its rather sad how people have turned on him

    Did more for us than people give him credit for

  • 20 toonarmy1986 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM

    This to me is a huge game, not in terms of the result but more to see what we have in depth and see how good some of these kids are. Also good chance for the likes of Ba to get 90 minutes under his belt.

  • 21 surreytoon // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    The Scunthorpe game is on Sky 1 which I didn’t expect! Let’s hope we don’t come crashing down to earth just yet.

  • 22 geoff777 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    #3

    Could be the only way Joey gets to play in the Olympic stadium?

  • 23 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    dont mind Nolan trying to get Joey to west ham, mainly because I think he is flogging a dead hourse. its understandable he would want to play with Joey after the season they had together and he probly feels he can sway him (wrongly imo)

  • 24 NottsGeordie // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    Its gotta be 11 changes for Scunny.

    Soderberg
    Perch Williamson Kadar Ferguson
    Abeid Gosling Vuckic Marveuax
    Ranger Sam Ameobi

  • 25 GeordieCoaster // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM

    @Darlo He’s had 45 minutes for christ sake!

  • 26 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    Yohan
    That’s fair mate. All am saying is I don’t see us top 10 this season

  • 27 ilovetoon8788 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    Ba has to start against Scunny and show what he can do. So far he has been simply put horrible. He needs to get match sharp and get his confidence back. A couple of goals against scunny would do good.

  • 28 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:53 AM

    @ WW – Suggesting that one of our key players should leave?
    He’s doing a JE… just no need for it.
    He had his own reasons to go, and he went, he can now focus on his away days at Burnley.

    He can comment on his own situation, and his own reasons (all 55,000 of them) for stepping down a league. But dont look back to your previous employers and try to rock an already very unsteady boat.

  • 29 geoff777 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:53 AM

    Ba & Tiote need to get match fit.

    I’d play Ba for 90 and Tiote for 60mins.

    Then against Fulham, Tiote 90 and Ba 60mins.

  • 30 toontoonblacknwhitearmy // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    Nolan left not only for greed cos he wanted a plan for his last few years as a footballer, now with his 5 year contract he can settle with his family in london instead of having to move after a couple of years to somewhere where he wont want to live, he was a good player just i dont think he would fit in this new look team

  • 31 BiffBaffBoff // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:55 AM

    Don’t mean to be a pessimist but knowing Newcastle of the past, we’ll struggle to beat Scunthorpe (probably even draw) and then lose to Fulham on Sunday after our good start. However, if we get 2 wins from these games, hopefully it’ll show that the mentality of the past has changed and maybe we will have a decent season. Still need a LB and striker mind…

  • 32 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    would like to see Tiote, BA, Mouxy, goslin, harper, fergie, vuckic and williamson start against Scunny

    With the rest of the team made u of players who have been playing regualy in the first 2 games (i know Tiote has been playing but I have him in the above list as he needs some game time so should be a defo starter)

  • 33 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM

    Drongo
    Barton has been told by the club to f off so why shouldn’t Nolan offer him a escape from our pit?

    And his former employer is a utter bellend so why should he keep his mouth shut about his experiences? Same with Jose. The owner is the bad guy not the players

    Truth hurts fella

  • 34 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM

    @ toontoon and good luck to him – did a cracking job for us and most people Im sure wish him the best at Jonny Vaughn FC.
    Publicly trying to tap up a player (which is what he is doing, albeit gently) is a bit of a slap in the face for all his former supporters.

  • 35 wynbae // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:59 AM

    No bad words about Nolan please, he’s a great lad. No way Barton is going to West Hamshank though, he’s not that daft, and they can’t afford him anyway. All the Barton stupidity might have been a strange blessing in disguise for Toon, cos it may just have prevented the ‘Big Spenders’ from coming for him!

  • 36 2 AMEOBI'S // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    pardew is a spastic if he plays a 2nd string at scunny.

    carling cup = end of 43 year baron streak + europe

    krul, raylor taylor colo fergy, gosling cabaye marv obertan, ba best

  • 37 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    @ WW – Im not arguing that his former emploer isnt a bellend. He is clearly a gigantic throbbing helmet.

    However, JE and nolan have moved on, by all means talk about their own experiences and spill the beans on some of the shady goings on. but… that is a bit different to JE saying there is no spirit and everyone is unhappy, and Nolan saying Joey should come and join him…

  • 38 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    WWJBD – I also think top 10 will be a push we need our next 2 in to be very good if we are to finish in the top 10 but if they are very good ie 15 -20 striker a season (providing he stays fit all season) and a beast defender at LB we could be as high as 8th (imho) but that is a lot of ifs buts and maybees than I would like. all we can do is wait and pray. I would love to be suprised by MA but I cant see it happening.

  • 39 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:03 AM

    Got to play a mixture, couple young uns and players needing matchs.
    Harper,Raylor,Willo,Saylor,Fergi
    Obertan,Gosling,Tiote,Marv
    Vuckic
    Ba

  • 40 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:04 AM

    Drongo
    How is Jose saying the team spirit is low not expressing his experience? He has been part of the team not you or I we just think the spirit is high because of what the very biased papers say

    And Barton ‘key player’ is on a free because the club don’t want him. Nolan will of been asked specifically about Barton so why shouldn’t he answer truthfully?

  • 41 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:05 AM

    @ otters Personally would stick Raylor in again at LB – if hes going to play a decent proportion of games for us there he needs to get the practice in ! Otherwise that team looks pretty exciting…

  • 42 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    @ 33 you call urself 2 ameobis and not one of them make the team

  • 43 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:07 AM

    Yohan
    Aye mate I agree there I just don’t see anymore players coming in to be honest hope I am proved wrong though

  • 44 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    @ WW – I just find it disrespectful of them both. They probably both did get treated badly in various ways… but… they were both backed 100% by the fans, and actively trying to make the clubs position worse just makes it worse for those very same fans.

    I think they should both rise above it. And be remembered fondly by our fans.

    Thats just me though

  • 45 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    2 amiobi’s – like your team but and the thought proccess but I would defo play tiote and rest Colo. Tiote needs time and i honestly think Colo is the main player we cant afford to be tiered or have an off day in the PL he is so important but i do think we can do with out him if the rest of the team is strong against scunny. I would wrap colo up in cotton wool with our limited defence he is MVP for me.

  • 46 GeordieCoaster // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM

    Didn’t Pardew say he would field a strong team for cups?

    Although I would like to see Vuckic, Fergie, Gosling and maybe Sammy.

  • 47 toontoonblacknwhitearmy // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    Winning the game vs fulham has to be our priority, we should rest the core of the team, incl. krul colo staylor simpson cabaye jonas, tiote needs match time and barton’s grit may be needed in this game, but wouldnt start him.

  • 48 wynbae // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:12 AM

    WWJBD. Barton is not on a free cos the club ‘don’t want him’. Any club wants any player that’s a great performer. Unfortunately, they’re going be forced to take actions, if a player is constantly breaking the rules, which is what Barton’s done. Don’t get me wrong, I love him as a player, but he acts like a spolit kid at times. You can’t break your clubs rules over and over, and expect no punishment, or there’s going to be anarchy. Hopefully he’ll finally learn, and do what’s best for the himself, and the club, and let his football do the talking rather than his Twitter account.

  • 49 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    @wwjbd 37: …and of course it wouldn’t just be sour grapes that he didn’t get the contract he wanted, same as Nolan!

  • 50 toon-hendy // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:14 AM

    I completely forgot about Nile Ranger!

    My team would be……
    Harper
    Perch/Raylor – Willamson – Kadar – Ferguson
    Tiote
    Gosling – Vuckic – Marveaux
    Ba

    Ryan Taylor will deffo not wanna be dropped after saturday! Tiote, Marveaux, Gosling, Ferguson and Ba for extra needed match fitness. Harper to give Pardew some selection headaches. Vuckic because he was arguabley our best player pre season along with Gosling. Then Willo and Kadar CB because we can’t afford to risk S Taylor or Captain-Collo! This is going to be our most likely formation so might aswell play as many times as possible like it. I can see it being 4-5-1 in some shape, wether that be 4-1-2-1, 4-2-1-1, 4-5-1 etc.

    I’d also give the likes of Abeidi, Best, Ranger/Loverkrands, Sameobi a shot. What you’s think????

  • 51 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:14 AM

    just a thought – with the disjointed pre season we have had as far as players not been with the full squad and the fact the team still need to gel, Pardew may play most of the first team. It could be a much welcomed chance for us to gel in an attacking way.

  • 52 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:14 AM

    off topic – but am enjoying Joeys twatter spat with Alan Sugar this morning. Very amusing

  • 53 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:15 AM

    Drongo
    I haven’t seen anywhere that either of them have said anything but good comments about the fans and the club. The owner they hate and its the problems the owner is creating that they are telling us about

    I don’t find them being disrespectful I find them being truthful which is something we need as fans tbh

  • 54 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    toon-hendy i think the reason you prob forgot about franger is hes fu**ing shite

  • 55 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    My team for Scunny:

    ________Harper
    Raylor_Saylor_Collo_Fergi
    ________Gosling
    Oba____________Abheid
    ________Vuckic
    ______Best_SAMeobi

    Subs:
    Soderberg, Simmo, Willo, Cabaye, Marv, Ba, McLoven

  • 56 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    @ drongo can you put a link up for joeys twitter account.

  • 57 2 AMEOBI'S // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    Yohan7 – colo dont need wrapped in cotton wool hes made of iron mate, cant remember him ever injured lol

  • 58 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:20 AM

    @ boom boom its joey7barton
    Hes trying to wind up Sugar for buying his peerage, reckons he’s going to become Baron Barton

  • 59 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM

    Wynbae
    The only reason he is on a free is because he told us about what happens behind closed doors that’s the only rule he broke was telling us the truth something which Ashley has a huge issue with

    Felipe
    What a load that is. Does that work for everyone who has bad mouthed Ashley? I slag him off because he is a bellend who has no knowledge of how to run a football club not because he stiffed me on a contract

  • 60 tom tomb // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:22 AM

    We need to play a strong team, with Ba and Marveaux, Gosling in the team. We need to try and win this, our only hope of a trophy and Europe.

  • 61 Eastander // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:23 AM

    I’d be very tempted to go 3 at the back against a team like scunthorpe and have a team like this;

    ———————Harper———————-
    ———–Taylor–Willo–Collo————-
    Gosling—————————Ferguson-
    ———————Tiote———————–
    —–Vuckic——————-Marveaux—-
    —————Best——-BA——————

    Quite an attacking team with Gosling and Ferguson in as wing backs, I would hope those three CB’s and Tiote could hold off Scunthorpe, then bring Kadar, Abeid and Sammy Ameobi on after 60mins for Collo, Tiote and Ba

  • 62 danishmag // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:26 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1xra8s2Nkc&NR=1

    is that how the owner of a football club looks like when he celebrates after his team has scored, if he does not give a shit about the club?

    Is he only thinking more money all the time, or does he just show pure happiness after all?

    watch and judge your selves

  • 63 Hebburn Mag // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:27 AM

    When we play Scunny tonight Id like to see some of the youngsters play but I wouldnt play a whole team of them. We should play a stong starting 11 with a few youngsters to help them gain experience. The team Id play:

    Krul
    Simpson Williamson Perch Ferguson
    Barton Tiote Gosling Marvaux
    Obertan
    Ba

    Subs:
    Harper
    Abied
    Sammy Ameobi
    Shola Ameobi
    R.Taylor
    Leon Best
    Inman

    We wanna do well this year in the Cup competition so why play a team of youngsters and get knocked out play a strong team with a few younsters in to gain more experience. If we progress let the youngens who helped us get through have playing time on the pitch.

  • 64 Durham_Toon // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    Would think this is the time for Harper, Goslong, Marvaux, Ferguson, Best and Williamson to start. Also the likes of Vuckic and Sameobi to play but I don’t want to see us field a ‘weak’ team, lets not take the win for granted.

  • 65 toon-hendy // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:30 AM

    I was meant to put Ba & Best upfront there.. only reaslised its 10 pleayers haha

  • 66 magpiebop // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:31 AM

    Team vs Scunthorpe
    Harper
    RTaylor, Williamson (c), Perch, Ferguson.
    Oberton, Gosling, Abeid, Marveux.
    Best, Vuckic.
    Subs- Soderberg, Simpson, Dummett, Tiote, Moyo, SAMeobi Lovenkrands.

    Team vs Fulham
    Krul
    Simpson, STaylor, Collocini (c), Pieters?.
    Barton, Tiote, Cabaye, Guttierez.
    SholAmeobi, Best/Vuckic
    Subs- Harper, RTaylor, Williamson, Gosling, SAMeobi, Marveux.

    Need to test Perch and Obertan out to see if they can make the grade but have my doubts. Ba needs a spell in reserves to up fitness levels. Need to see fringe players in a competitive game.
    Both teams should be well balanced and up to the task!

  • 67 dmac // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    As it is my birthday today and i will be mostly hammered/ enjoying it, would be lovely to read later we had signed a few players!

    I cant remember who posted it, but i agree we should not play second string team as these cups are our best hope.

  • 68 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    @WWJBD: He seems to be running it pretty well to me.

  • 69 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    2 amiobi’s – ya thats true, i just fear what would happen if he was out but as you say he is a bit of a cave man.

    WWJBD – I would loose all faith in the board if we didnt bring anyone else in, I like some of the stuff they do but they dont have frustrate me at times

  • 70 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM

    I dont really think we should make too many changes at the back, I think a good CB pairing is one that understands eachother inside out and only game time can build that.

    I dont see what would be gained from playing Willo really.

  • 71 GeordieGerman “allez les gars!” // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    Hebburn Mag, wonder if Scunthorpe turn up “tonight”.

  • 72 Eastander // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:34 AM

    ———————–Harper———————-
    ————-Taylor–Willo–Collo————–
    –Gosling—————————Ferguson–
    ———————–Tiote————————
    ———Vuckic—————–Marveaux——
    —————–Best——-BA——————-

    The on 60mins;
    Kadar for Collo
    Sammy for Ba
    Abeid for Tiote

  • 73 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM

    Nolan is going against the fair play rules, and causing an upset within our players.
    We should report him to FIFA!

  • 74 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM

    UEFA, i ment UEFA…

  • 75 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM

    Happy birthday dmac
    My mrs’ birthday on Thursday, going to watch a blimmin musical when we’re playing on telly.

  • 76 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    @drongo

    If the musical is about “The battle of the North” (being Newcastle and Scumberland), it should be quite good :P

  • 77 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    Felipe
    In what way? We got relegated which he caused, he sacked managers left right and centre, he sells our best players, abused his ability to pick sponsors, won’t invest, hired his friends rather than people who can do the job, hates the fans and won’t communicate with anyone I could go on but to be honest its rather depressing

    Where is the good your talking about?

  • 78 GeordieCoaster // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    I’m no Ashley supporter. I feel his business in the transfer market this season has been poor at times and he could have wrapped some deals up quicker.

    But at the end of the day, Ashley has put quite a bit of money into the club and he won’t be leaving anytime soon, he needs to make a profit. He’s a great businessman who will know about finances, how do you think he got to 60th richest man in the world?

    Some of the decisions he has made have been bad. I agree he should have had the money ready for a left back and striker ready.

    If he wanted to be a massive d*ck, he could file the club in Administration due to the money he has put in, but he hasn’t.

  • 79 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:40 AM

    Dannyo – not sure if they would be intrested with him being avaiable on a free (pritty much means any club can talk to him) I could be wrong though

  • 80 GeordieGerman “allez les gars!” // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:40 AM

    All the best dmac. Have a good one.

  • 81 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:41 AM

    by them I mean uefa

  • 82 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM

    Yohan
    I lost my faith in the board when Barton gate hit mate haha this summer was their last chance for me and they haven’t taken it

  • 83 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:46 AM

    Chron: SYLVAIN MARVEAUX is in line to make his competitive United debut at Scunthorpe’s little Glanford Park on Thursday night.

  • 84 Mo Drysdale // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    My team for Scunny:

    =================Harper==================

    Raylor=========Saylor====Willo=======Ferguson

    =Abeid====Gosling===Tiote===Vuckic===Marvaux=

    ==================Ba====================

    Subs:
    Soderberg, Best, SAmeobi, Simmo, Collo, Cabaye, Oba, McLoven,

    Tiote neeeeeeeds games.
    Ba neeeeeeeeeds games
    Marv neeeeeeeeeds games

  • 85 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    @coaster – the most important point is that when he sells up, the place will be self supporting, and not relying on wads of cash to be thrown in by various donors to stay afloat.

    For me his major mistakes have been:
    – Spanking silly money on severance for fat sam and his merry men.
    – Appointing dennis wise
    – Mis understanding the importance of Shearer and KK to the majority of fans, and that falling out with them alienated him
    – Kinnear
    – Going OTT on Barton
    – Trying to play hardball too much on transfers

    Major triumphs:
    – Proper scouting system
    – Proper youth set up
    – sorting finances and clearing debt

  • 86 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:49 AM

    Chron saying Marv will start vs Scunny

  • 87 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 AM

    @drongo 78: I would move trying to play hardball down to the triumphs (cause you can’t sort the finances out without doing that) but otherwise would agree with you. I’d also add sorting out the wage structure (no more silly money for players who don’t want to be here (Geremi comes to mind) and no more buying players on the never never.

  • 88 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:50 AM

    United are also set to include 18-year-old Mehdi Abeid in the squad for Scunny, while Sammy Ameobi, Mike Williamson and Haris Vuckic are also likely to be handed a slice of the action against the League One outfit.

  • 89 Yohan7 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    WWJBD – I think they could have handled the JB saga a lot better but I dont think Joey hasnt been happy since we sold Nolan and something was always gonna kick off. the only way they could have stopped it would have been to sign nolan up which I think on a 5 year deal in 2 season we could well of had the next alan smith (just my op) or we could have spent some money on big players and show some ambition which we know MA is not gonna do. dont get me wrong they made some bad decisions in there and could have done a lot better but at that stage they had little choice to list barton. I also think it has turned out good as none of the top 6 came in for him and he seams to be as focused as ever on his football. I do feel sorry for pardew having to work in these conditions, he deserver a medal.

  • 90 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:52 AM

    @Yohan7

    I’m only jokin m8 ;)
    Somethings tells me it’ll be fun watching Sunthorpe (no C due to moderation), i hope Pards will try out Moyo on LB, he’s been class ever since he came in, and start Marveux on the left, with maybe subbing Ferguson.
    Either way, i have a feeling it’ll be goals galore, hope i’m right.

  • 91 NUFC_Richyg01 // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:54 AM

    @78

    Also add in:
    Negatives
    – Not listening to the fans.
    – No media outlet from the club, other than through the manager.

    Positives
    – Not being held to ransom by clubs and players.
    – Reducing the overall age of the squad.

  • 92 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:56 AM

    Drongo
    Our proper scouting system is one bloke who picks players then is tolld we won’t buy them…how long before he gets sick?
    And the debt issue was largely down to Ashley coming in.
    Youth set up as far as I can tell hasent really changed barring a few coaches being let go

    Wage structure mainly changed because we went down a league and had to change but yeah so far that’s under control…probably overly so as we won’t pay the going rate for players thus the team suffers

  • 93 Stuart // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:58 AM

    Haha slipped over to the dark side today like WWJBD?

  • 94 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    Yohan
    I think if MAs promises had been kept then Barton wouldn’t of kicked off anywhere near the level that he did but can’t change that now…I would hope MA would learn but I don’t think he cares enough about the club for him to bother learning now

  • 95 nobby sol // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    ——————-Harper
    Gosling Williamson Kadar Ferguson
    Ranger Guthrie Vuckic Marveux
    —————–Ba Best

  • 96 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    Aye, WWJBD has slipped over indeed. Cmon mate, cheer up a bit, window is not over yet, things could still happen.
    Just give it a weeks time, then we’ll probably all moan.

  • 97 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    @ Felipe – forgot about Geremi – I remember reading something about Sir Bob being offered him and him saying back then that his legs were shot.

    Wrist Ham will be in that boat – and once the bongo mag market dries up and people turn to spank wire . com there wont be any new money coming their way….

    As for buying layers on the never never – thats Arrys favourite trick isnt it? Everywhere hes been end up going bust. As well as having his own idea on when transfer windows finish (my fax machine was broken again) he seems to buy players and offset the fees on future champions league earnings… If spuds dont qualify this time round they could well plummet..

  • 98 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:02 PM

    Haha Stuart just when the board is concerned mate. The players and the club I whole heartedly support…the man upstairs I wouldn’t wee on if he was on fire haha

  • 99 Davies // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:04 PM

    WWJBD – Not to pick an argument (I usually agree with a lot of what you have to say), but I do get a little tired of players’ opinions being treated as “the truth”. The club don’t comment as a matter of policy, so we only ever get one side.

    You will note that those choosing to express their opinions are those either angling for better contracts than they’re being offered, or players who are angling for a high profile move. Disontent is a good motivator for people to start slagging off their employers, I agree, but there are very few doing it, so you have to ask whether or not there’s a little petulance from the few who have chosen to pipe up.

    I flatly refuse to accept anything that comes out of Joey Barton’s mouth as gospel, because I think the man is scum. He’s a good footballer, but his pseudo itellectualism doesn’t fool me in any way, and all I see is a man who thinks his opinion counts more than anyone elses. He doesn’t get his own way, straight to twitter to slag off the club.

    What happens at Newcastle now is none of Kevin Nolan’s business. If he had that much respect for the “fantastic fans”, he’d keep his mouth shut and maybe he wouldn’t tarnish the brilliant reputation he has built among us. I’m grateful to Nolan for his contribution over the last two years, but if he continues to make remarks in the club that could be seen as destabilising, I will lose all respect for him.

  • 100 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:05 PM

    Dannyo
    Haha true but I get annoyed when people start slagging off Nolan, Jose and Barton then my anger starts to come through

    I will try to cheer up I expect a pretty strong side for scunny I expect Marv Williamson Gosling Obertan Harper Ba and Best all to be playing as well as Vuckic (if fit) and Fergy. Should be enough to get a win

  • 101 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:08 PM

    @ WW – Hopefully he wont get sick, he’ll just keep drawing up shortlists like hes meant to…
    Ive always thought that must be one of the best jobs in the world that. Travel the world, watch footy and give your views on players…. Without the pressure and stress of managing them.

    haha – bad enouh being on fire without someone taking a slash on you as well

    Anyway – hopefully Pieters will get through the doors in time. Im more fussed about that than the number 9

  • 102 Stuart // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    23 Aug 2011 09:33:27
    There will be a scramble at the weekend to sign Daniel Sturridge with 5 clubs expressing interest.

    Taken from newcastlerumours.

    I know we wont be one of them but we havent had the Sturridge rumours for a day or two haha.

  • 103 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    @WWJBD

    Aye, the Sunthorpe game should be quite fun to watch imo, all the youngster we’ll be putting out are talented and hungry to show the gaffer. I think we’ll be in a for a suprise tbh.
    When it comes to slagging off Nolan, Jose and Barton, one does it to kind of wall yourself in in a minor degree, so u get over the disappointment easier, then you can move on to be happy for the new players, gotten 4 points from two tough matches which we might’ve just as well gotten 0 from.
    There’s things to be happy about too, thats all i’m saying.
    Infact, i’ll think we’ll molest and abuse S.cu.nthorpe heavily.
    Should be fun, can’t wait :) I predict a 4-0 victory.

  • 104 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:11 PM

    @wwjbd 71:
    He tried to do the right thing by bringing back Keegan but it backfired. For me that has been his only significant mistake and that was 4 years ago. Relegation was the fallout from that for sure but maybe that would have happened anyway as there needed to be a massive clearout/turnaround call it what you will.
    As for managers, he sacked Allardyce because he was the previous regimes man, I don’t know many who disagreed with replacing him, especially with KK. The only other manager sacked was Hughton so I don’t know if I would call that left right and centre. Worse happened under Shepherd who sacked Sir Bob, Gullitt, Dalglish and Souness.
    As for selling our best players, that is purely subjective. I’m much happier with the squad we have now than this time last year. If we get a LB and a ST then I’ll be delighted.

  • 105 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:11 PM

    problem with that video of ashley and llambiased looking happy is michaelowen also looks happy and we all know what a little toerag he is.

  • 106 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:12 PM

    Davies
    I don’t think Barton told the whole truth either mate but I think he is closer to it than what the club put out in the papers

    As for Nolan he will of been asked a direct question and he answered it, I don’t see how that is wrong. The board destabilised to club by lying (again) about what would happen and the players who have been through this before all said they would wait until proof was given that the promises would happen before signing contracts (Nolan Barton and Jose)

    The club didn’t like this in January and everyone of them is now gone or going…mafia mentality is how our board run imo

  • 107 drongo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:12 PM

    @ Davies – Agree with all of that apart from the Joey bit. That man has been through the mill, a lot, his brother chopped of someones head with an axe… he clearly has emotional issues, and I think all respect to him for getting (almost) back on the straight and narrow. A lot of people wouldnt.
    Im a big Joey fan for a number of reasons, that doesnt mean I agree with everything he does mind.

  • 108 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:12 PM

    dmac enjoy yourself and good luck with the players, my birthday is the last day of the window so mine will end in sorrow it always has under ashley, but as we only need 2 players who knows we might all be surprised.

  • 109 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:15 PM

    @ dannyo sitting at home dreaming about one team molesting and abusing another?…………………………personally id just like a win with demba ba and cabaye getting off the mark to get their confidence rolling.

  • 110 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:16 PM

    Felipe a true fan could never say there club is being run well 2 games into a season and totally failed to replace two players sold for what could be £50m.

  • 111 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:16 PM

    Word from the training ground this morning is that the Sochaux striker is a no go, and they’re trying again for Erdinc. You couldn’t make it up could you? They won’t get him either because PSG want £6.5m and fatty won’t pay more than £5m. Pieters will cost £6m, but the fatman won’t pay more than £4.5m, so he won’t be here either. Get ready for Carlton Cole, Nicky Maynard, or Cameron Jerome, and a loan deal for a left back. PSV don’t have to accept crap offers for their players because they’re backed by the electronics company.

  • 112 Neil // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    Anyone know if this lad is a good player. My assumption is not is Brucie wants him but you never know!!

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,16414_7119398,00.html

  • 113 Ameobi No.9 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM

    I would love to do well in the cup, but I think it is vital that we pay more attention on the Premier League. ‘Second season syndrome’ is a beatch. Any way I would prefer we dont get far in the cup anyway, Pardew will just say something like ‘our players are very tired’ and use it as an excuse for us losing to poor sides like Norwich, Liverpool and Blackburn.

    One last thing. Would you guys rather we won the cup this year, and do a Birmingham. Or stay in the prem, win nothing, but watch the mackems last season in the prem go horribly wrong for them? Knowing you guys, you would complain if we signed half of the current Barca squad and got into the Champions league.

  • 114 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    Drongo
    Aye me too he is a vital part to our club but I could understand why he would move on tbh. If he wasent on fire I would consider peeing on him like haha

    Dannyo
    Aye maybe true but to me its disrespectful and it gets my heckles up no end haha
    But aye scunny should be a fun time had by all….hopefully though Stevenage proved its not that easy hopefully Ba and Best will both get on the scoresheet though

    Felipe
    Mate if you think he is doing/has done a good job good for you but never in a million years of Sundays will I agree with ya.

  • 115 iain // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:20 PM

    think we should give as many of the big players a rest as possible and as many other who havnt played much yet as much playing time as possible to get them fit. fulham have a europa game midweek and are probably already through on aggregate but they dont have a good enough sqaud to not be playing some of there first team players they will start against us.

    Harper
    Perch Williamson Kadar Ferguson
    Gosling Guthrie Smith Marveaux
    Lovenkrants Best

    Krul/Taylor/Dummett/Abeid/Vuckic/Sameobi/Ba

  • 116 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:21 PM

    GeordieCoaster @78 that’s the daftest thing posted in a while to call in the administrator when you are solvent would be the work of a madman as the administrator could then sell the business to anyone for a £1 I could see Ashley letting fat Freddy have the club for a quid.

  • 117 Tonytoon73 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    Felipe was denis wise not a huge mistake???

  • 118 toon_dog // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    lads, the game is on thursday not tonight

  • 119 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM

    Is Kadar fit? It’ll suit fatty down to the ground if FIFA slap a transfer embargo on us, supported by our own FA. This lot haven’t got a clue about football administration and procedure. Ba and Marveaux sold themselves and Cabaye had price sewn into his contract. If negotiations are needed, the arrogant casino owner hasn’t got any idea.

  • 120 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

    Wey Tony look whose ahead now eh? 2-1 to me after last night :D

  • 121 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:26 PM

    Felipe 87 you can only go so far with your hard balling before you start to make enemy’s we have been reported the the premier league and eufa this week, how bad of a reputation do you want.

  • 122 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    @wwjbd 92\: I don’t know if you’re just being naive, stupid or awkward to ram home your anti ashley mantra but we have 10-12 scouts at European games at any given weekend (of course Pardew lies about everything doesn’t he so I’m sure you wouldn’t believe that). Graham Carr is head of scouting and with his experience knows that every recommendation doesn’t come off. I’m sure you don’t seriously believe that we’re the only club whose recommendations are passed on to the finance guys to do the deal.
    Your comment on the debt issue doesn’t warrant comment as everyone knows it’s rubbish.
    Can’t believe you haven’t noticed the youth setup that has now added the likes of Gosling, Abeid, Vuckic, Kadar, Richardson, Ferguson, Sammy, Donaldson, Airey, Dummett, Moyo, Hooper and is looking at the two French kids at the moment. When did we have anything like that amount of youth coming through under the previous regime? We were lucky to have a reserve team of hasbeens.
    If you have to spout rubbish to support your Ashley bashing mantra you shouldn’t talk at all…

  • 123 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM

    My squad for Thursday:

    ***************Harper*****************

    Simpson****Williamson****Saylor****Moyo

    *****Obertan*****Abeid****Marveux******

    ***************Vuckic*****************

    **********Best**********Ba************

    Subs: Ferguson, Dummet, Ranger, Sammy, Perch, Gosling

    Go attack mode i say, rip em apart.

  • 124 Ameobi No.9 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM

    Have you guys seen this off the Sunderland match?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdMh-J6TzA&feature=player_embedded

    its a mackem predicting what Ryan Taylor will do with his free kick. Very funny, oh and you might need your speakers up a little, it was a little quiet, but it could just be that mine are old and practically useless.

  • 125 Tonytoon73 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    WWJBD It should have been 3-1, but defoe hit the post. useless tw@t. lol

  • 126 iain // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:31 PM

    according to physio room and nufc.com the only player we have out injured is ben arfa

  • 127 Dannyo // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    I’m usually not the one to brag about my own work, but i blog about Newcastle aswell on another minor site.
    This is my latest article, after researching it i got atleast some understanding about how we are financially, and maybe what holes the £35 million has gone to.

    It’s not about defending MA, it’s about laying facts as a base for different allegations and give understanding in general. The fact that we have to gather these numbers on our own, sends a message to MA: TALK TO US!!

    http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2011/08/blogs/heres-your-35-million-sincerely-mr-ashley

    I’ve posted it before, but with the current arguements, i find it fitting to post it again.

  • 128 toon_dog // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    my team
    ~~~~~~~~~~~HARPS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    RAYLOR~~WILLO~~~KADAR(if fit)~~~~~FERGY
    ~~~~~~~~~~~TIOTE~~~~CABAYE~~~~~~~~~~~~
    GOSY~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MARV
    VUCKIC
    BA

  • 129 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    “If you have to spout rubbish to support your Ashley bashing mantra you shouldn’t talk at all…”

    and you seriously think you have all the answers, I would suggest it is you who is naive or possibly have a hidden agenda. If you believe that appointing KK as manager as the only fault Ashley has made then you are one sadly mistaken idividual.

  • 130 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:33 PM

    @Dave1961: Swings and roundabouts mate. Liverpool started tapping up Jose in January. I’ll worry about being reported when we’re charged, not when it’s reported but am more than happy to see us continue to drive hard bargains rather than the days when we spent silly money to get hasbeens. I’m sure the club know what they’re doing.

  • 131 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:33 PM

    jimmymagpie

    Who do you get your info from at the training ground?

  • 132 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM

    Felipe
    Actually mate I tried to drop the issue but ok

    How do you know how many scouts we have? Where they are? Or whether they are any good?

    The debt you really need to look into chico because yes it was there but it was secure until Ashley took over the club which caused the debt to be called in…feel free to do some research

    And the youth set up we have always had good players coming through its just the fact they didn’t make it just like these ones you love so much might not

  • 133 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

    Felipe – no we don’t you idiot, we don’t even have that many scouts. Carr was allowed the expenses for a couple of day trips to France in the summer, and he was at Coventry on Saturday watching 2 Watford players – Loach, the goalkeeper and a young Irish defender whose name escapes me, but probably the one we’ll finish up with when they tell us that PSV were asking an exorbitant £4.5m for Pieters,this from the club that took £35m for Carroll and £4.5m for Nolan.

  • 134 iain // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:35 PM

    cant see the point playing tiote and cabaye etc against a league one side 3 days before our first winnable pl match against a team have who in recent seasons have been a bit of a bogey side for us even at home. if our squad players smith included arnt good enough to beat a league 1 side then theres not even any point any of them being here tbh…

  • 135 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM

    @Mactoon 129: Show me that man who has made no mistakes and I’ll show you a moon made of gold!

  • 136 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM

    Tony I didn’t see the match tbh mate but I believe you…mainly because Defoe is useless atm haha

  • 137 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:37 PM

    Davies @99 the reason that people think the players tell the truth is simple the fans know that Ashley and his odious friend have been found in a court of law to regularly lie to the fans, and why when Whelan seems to slanders Ashley Ashley has never taken action although he hates him. no smoke without fire.

  • 138 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Otters – on tis occasion, ME! I was down there this morning to see an old physio friend of mine, who is kind enough to invite me now and again, as a retired Chartered Physio, I have a professional interest in the latest sports treatment.

  • 139 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM

    Felipe, it has nothing to do with a man who is error less, you stated quite clearly the only major mistake Ashley made was appointing Keegan, I put it to you that is naive BS of the highest order.

  • 140 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM

    MA only major mistake was buying NUFC since that one it has been lots of medium mistakes that we all have paid for

  • 141 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:44 PM

    @Dave1961: Is that it?
    Keegan says he was told he would have the final say on transfers and Llambias says Keegan knew that they were bringing in a director of football all aling. The Keegan tribunal agreed with Keegans version so he’s a proven liar (hands up here who’s never told a porky!!!).

    And because of that Ashley is the most hated man in football despit him spending £250m of his own money on NUFC. Blimey you’ll be in heaven all by yourself Dave, it’s gonna be lonely up there!!

  • 142 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:44 PM

    WWJBD, ha ha yep I’d agree with you there.

  • 143 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

    All of a sudden, Maiga is happy to stay in France, and assures coach of his comittment – ffs, the f-cking crap that this club gets involved with now. I remember, being the age that I am, when this club was looked upon as a great club who did things the right way, but these wan-ers have turned us into a sick joke who other clubs and their supporters despise.

  • 144 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM

    138 jimmymagpie

    And they just tell you whats going on?
    Its just strange as a good friend of mine is very close to 2 high up figures at Newcastle and they never say a word about players coming in, wont risk their jobs by revealing things.

  • 145 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    jimmymag, we are owned and run by shysters.

  • 146 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    Felipe @ 122 half the players you list we got from other clubs not our own products, until we get kids like these through we are a second rate set-up.

  • 147 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:49 PM

    @Mactoon 139: That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. I’d rather have Ashley than many other owners…

  • 148 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:50 PM

    Haha the law is also a liar….MA is the only right man in the world haha I have seen the light now

    I apologise I now see the shy retiring gentleman Ashley is a wonderful owner who treats us ever so well and has done everything with the clubs best interests in mind

  • 149 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM

    @Dave1961: Jeez what you taking? Of course we do. That’s the plan ffs.

  • 150 WWJBD // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    Haha MacToon I don’t think anyone can disagree with it haha

  • 151 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:53 PM

    Ok Felipe, opinions are fair enough but you believe it was a greater mistake hiring Keegan or hiring Wise?

  • 152 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:57 PM

    Otters – no, you pillock, i keep my ears open as players couldn’t give a shit what they say or who to. Your friends don’t tell you what is going on because there isn’t anything, and unless you catch the evil Lambsarse on his 2 days a week in toon, you never will hear anything.

  • 153 Basogeordie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:58 PM

    My opintion MA 1st mistake was listening to the fans and getting rid of Alladyce when he did, that IMO is why we were relagated obviosly you have to couple it with the KK thing. He should of waited to the end of the season and done it then, we would have never been relagated under SA. You could however argue it had a positive impact on the club eventually….?

    So listening to fans had a negative impact….think he may have learnt his lesson??? ;-)

  • 154 jimmymagpie // Aug 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM

    Llambias admitted at the tribunal that he and the owner mislead the media and the fans for the sake of their PR. That is word for word what he said!

  • 155 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:00 PM

    Ha ha yeah ofc listening to the customer is always a huge mistake, another brick for the wall!

    Tear down the wall.

  • 156 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:01 PM

    dave 1961 //

    Yeah we got from other clubs at a young age and developed them, thats generally how you get the players, unless you expect us to nurture them from birth?
    Look at likes of Arsenal/Barcelona their look around world then develop the players they feel good enough.

  • 157 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:02 PM

    Felipe @ 141 courts establish what is the truth legally and morally they represent the queen who is head of state, and the reason they found in favour of Keegan was that he proved that he was telling the truth and Ashley & Llambias were telling lies, you don’t half come out with some strange things, but to now tell me, that Ashley & Llambias should be believed over our own court system is clutching at straws you have lost the plot. just in case you cant read Llambias admitted that he used the press to spread rumours that he knew were not true. so sorry they aren’t liars they just say things that are not true hows that for you.

  • 158 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM

    jimmymagpie

    And I’m a pillock how?
    For questioning the truth of your rumour?

  • 159 MacToon // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/lukeedwards/100018321/what-does-mike-ashley-actually-want-to-achieve-with-newcastle-united/

  • 160 Basogeordie // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

    Its comical how majority of fans still fail to see that the papers get nothing right yet its argued about as if its gospel, totally backwards!! The club says nothing and rightly so, what favours have the papers ever done us??? None!! The sooner some people realise this the better.

    Unfortunately every one of Eds articles are just regurgitated BS, but hey ho as long as its taken with a pinch of salt you can work out what story’s have substance ie the 1%.

  • 161 OttersPocket // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM

    jimmymagpie

    And their is stuff going on, we hear little bits and pieces but never really names prices etc,

  • 162 dave 1961 // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM

    Felipe @149 I’m not mocking it but it is a million miles away from doing the job ourselves.

  • 163 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM

    @Mactoon 151: I don’t really separate the two but if you want to count them as two mistakes then so be it. But he realised his mistake and moved on. If he hadn’t wise would still have been here god forbid! All the rest is just fans who refuse to get over it and move on.
    I’m sure he made a few mistakes on the way to making his £2billion as well and upset a few sensitive souls in the process. But he’s stilll there, one of the most successful businessmen in the country. We get rid of him and we might get Shepherd back.

  • 164 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:32 PM

    @Dave1961 192: He started without a youth setup after the previous regime so if we waited for all the 9 and 10 year olds to come through we’d be at least 10 years before we saw any progress. He’s put the system in place and is scouring europe for very promising teenagers who we can bring on in our setup. I’ve only listed some of those he’s brought in but the promise for the future in 3 or 4 years time is absolutely enormous. If only the Ashley haters could let the Keegan thing go and get behind the club we have a great future ahead.

  • 165 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:39 PM

    @Dave1961 157: You completely misread what I said. I don’t care what the court says happened 4 years ago to be honest. There’s plenty of that goes on out there in the big bad business world. I believe they told KK he was in charge of transfers and Jiminez that he was too and had to backtrack when they found themselves being sued for £8m. It’s just not that big a deal and certainly not something that woudl make me rage with hate 4 years on.

  • 166 Felipe // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:40 PM

    My point was that on a scale of 1-10 for lies told in the business world that wouldn’t even make a 1.

  • 167 ichrisho // Aug 23, 2011 at 1:57 PM

    Nasri – away to Man City for a medical – Money calls alright!!!

  • 168 cupiddstunt // Aug 23, 2011 at 2:01 PM

    Felipe @ # 122 A lot of sense there and if I recall rightly KK kicked the academy into touch completely and all players ended up being bought in.

    I for one am quite happy that we now have a youth policy in place and are actively trying to build it up.

    As for the debt situation and where the 35 mil Carroll money went Danyo @ # 127 has an interesting link.

    WWJBD @ # 132 You are right it looks like the debt situation was secure(ish) the stadium was hocked for it in fact it looks like everything was hocked to the hilt and still losing 30 mil a year.

    Now I do remember something about when MA took over the club there was mention about him saying he was prepared to subsidise the club to the tune of 30 mil a year and this kinda ties in.

    Personally there have been mistakes made but they are past and gone the management although appearing to be a bit harsh in their dealings look to be now going in the right direction so I for one am prepared to give a little more time to see if they can build momentum,

    After all it is fruitless banging on about what has passed and gone.

  • 169 ichrisho // Aug 23, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    @ 99 – Bravo Mate expecially “What happens at Newcastle now is none of Kevin Nolan’s business. If he had that much respect for the “fantastic fans”, he’d keep his mouth shut and maybe he wouldn’t tarnish the brilliant reputation he has built among us. I’m grateful to Nolan for his contribution over the last two years, but if he continues to make remarks in the club that could be seen as destabilising, I will lose all respect for him”

    I thin Nolan should show some respect – awful influence from fat Sam there I think… I am absolutely livid that other players are allowed talk of newcastle… stirring the pot – Enrique now Nolan… Get lost we didnt want you here.

  • 170 cupiddstunt // Aug 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM

    Mactoon @ # 159 Nice link to a newspaper article which rambles a little about the writers own opinions and speculations but in all fairness the last two sentences kinda sum it all up.

    It is an increasingly well-run business, which in one of Llambias’ favourite phrases, can wipe its own nose, yet supporters are still more likely to wipe a tear from their eye.
    They don’t care about books being balanced, they care about what happens on a match day and this is a club which once aimed for far more than a shot at a top ten finish.

    And the last sentence is most telling “They don’t care about books being balanced, they care about what happens on a match day

    A lot of you on this blog prove those last two lines to be so right, you do not care about the financial foundation of the club but only about what happens on match day, read the posts and see just how many are demanding money to be spent here there and everywhere.

    In my house we pay our bills then we look at what‘s left to spend.




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