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Newcastle To Issue Statement Today

9:11 am, Friday, September 2nd, 2011 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 85 Comments

It was probably a good move by Newcastle not to say anything yesterday, and allow things to settle down just a little bit.

Llambias and Ashley - job not done on Wednesday

Alan Pardew has again come out of this not looking good, but we have to remind everybody that it’s not Alan’s job to bring the players in, and it’s the Newcastle board – Ashley, LLambias and Lee Charnley,  the Secretary, who handle that and negotiate the fees and the wages.

It’s Alan’s job to identify the players, and most fans would agree the players the club went after and some they signed are top class.

I still don’t know how we managed to get young Davide Santon to Newcastle, but make no mistake, this lad could become a big Newcastle star of the future.

But the news yesterday was that Alan was not happy at all with the club’s failure to get him another striker, after they had gone after at least six strikers, and were unsuccessful.

In the summer they went after Kevin Gameiro, Gervinho, Mevlut Erdinc, Modibo Maiga, Papiss Demba Cisse and finally Bryan Ruiz, and missed out on the lot.

On the positive side of things, the club did very well to get Demba Ba to Newcastle, because lots of good clubs were after the free agent.

It will be interesting to read the Newcastle statement today, which the Journal is reporting will be issued, but the club should tell the truth, tell it like it is, and not shade the truth.

Telling the truth is a very powerful tool, although I’m not sure Mike Ashley and Derek LLambias necessarily agree with that.

Hopefully they will have also learned things from their antics on the last day of this transfer window, and use that knowledge in future dealings, but there’s been little evidence they have learned much over the last four years.

There’s nothing we can do about what happened on Wednesday now, and we think Demba Ba and Leon Best can shine for Newcastle over the next four months, and bang in those goals.

We hope so, in any case.

And there’s always Sammy Ameobi.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Demba Ba · Newcastle News · Sammy Ameobi · Transfer News and Rumours



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85 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:18 AM

    We were linked heavily to about 8 forwards since June, but didn’t even get 1 in. lol..

  • 2 davybtoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:20 AM

    phoenixnights – from previous thread, well if there paying the debt off i wouldnt mind to b honest

    but your ryt get behind the 11 on the pitch i still cant believe why ppl cant see were building a young exciting team n that they didnt see nolan n barton as part of it

  • 3 davybtoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM

    as for the strikers if we didnt get our first, second, third choice is better not bring anyone than jus getting someone for the sake of it

  • 4 barryvenison // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    Great, we get to here more lie’s so people can cling onto false hope for a little longer.

  • 5 toontime // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:25 AM

    I don’t know how the board expect us to believe anything they say to be honest! Mike Ashley is like a bloody mute owner, Llambias only comes out and says something when he believes its good news – like Santon signing. Which leaves Pardew who, either doesn’t know what’s really going on and has to guess what to say, or is a complete and utter liar (I personally believe that it isn’t Pardew’s fault).

    So, I would be very surprised if any fan takes the statement issued today seriously.

    Let’s hope it says that the Man City owners fancy buying another Premier League club and Mike Ashley is willing to sell to them!

    The owner and the board are sh1te. The players will continue to do the best possible job for the club, so let’s get behind the most important ones, the lads on the pitch!!

  • 6 nightfa11 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    Joey said: “selling their assets and replacing with cheaper gambles. Santon?? 16 games since 2008, in a poor Italian league, hardly proven PL”

    he really is a dick! Joey that is

  • 7 PHOENIXNIGHTS // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    davybtoon – agree mate about the debt. However why do they have to tell so many lies. Just come out and say we are not going to spend, we are going to sell – all we get is lies lies lies. Pardew silence is deafening. The man is a highly paid lieing dick

  • 8 bill // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM

    Let us hope the statement says: “We have sold the club to …….”

  • 9 veto // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    dont forget, allegedly padrew owes money that mikes is paying for him , hence the lowest managerial wage in the pl and the fact padrew will just grin and bear it and be thankfull for a job he shouldn’t have been getting , expect nowt but guff from the lot of them

  • 10 leazes upper ( moved to the gallowgate ) // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    Club statement.
    We could of bought a striker and a CB but mike would rather spend the money in greggs.so sit down and shut up.especially in the South East corner.if u don’t like it then go f..k your self

    Chief exec dodgy dekka

  • 11 veto // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    @nightfall , he’s an honest dick

  • 12 Markaccus // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:28 AM

    I think all the ones we looked at were similar, so any one of them would have done. Most seemed to have at least a one goal in three game ratio. I think the order in which we bid for them was simply to do with how much the scouts knew about them, with the least known being last. Made no difference as the money men we utterly incompetent in the end.

  • 13 bill // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    I too have doubts about Santon; I hope that he turns out to be a great player but I have my doubts when you look at his stats.

  • 14 geoff777 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    #8 that would be the best thing … but we’re not that lucky.

    No doubt it will be carefully worded, ambiguous promises of investment in the next few windows.

  • 15 nightfa11 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:29 AM

    Joeys like most of you here. all he, you do is point out at other ppls mistakes.. guess he and most of you need to fill up his, your egos. show me one perfect human being & ill give u a f***** medal. & accept you did a lot of crap in life as well.

  • 16 ToonMauritius // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM

    Statement : “I (pardew) & DarkArse tried our best until the last minute, we were in contact with two strikers but could not reach ageement. rest assure Nufc Fan, i have been promised by the board fund will be available during January transfer window.” Same old dialogue.

  • 17 toonman // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    Does anyone have a list of the players available on a free? Just encase we need an emergency forward

    Would be an interesting article if we could pick the best ones available and if they would be worth a punt

  • 18 NUFC Norway // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    If we really put in a 12m bid for ruiz im glad we didnt get him. 2 norwegian scouts were laughing when they saw fulham had put a bid like that for him. they said in the premier he wasnt worth more then about 3m because of his style of play and his temper against his own team mates. glad we didnt panic buy anyone. We will be good thinking we have sammy as a backup if one of the strikers get i knock.
    s

  • 19 davybtoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM

    phoenixnights – if they come n said we used 25mill to clear some of the debt am sure ppl could accept it, i dont blame pardew he can only tell us what there telling him.
    as for the way were buying players am sorri but i like it yes we needed a striker a no9 but stoke paid 24million for crouch, palacios n jerome n for 10million less we got cabaye, santon, marveux, obertan, ba, abeid, elliott now tell me thats not good business

  • 20 aussiemag // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:32 AM

    “Hopefully they will have also learned things from their antics on the last day of this transfer window, and use that knowledge in future dealings.”

    I think they ought to know by now Ed what they are doing, how long have they been involoved with the club for, please a transfer window is nothing new to these wankers.

    Do not defend them they have enough lawyers and money to defend themselves.

  • 21 Solaidback // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:32 AM

    Ed fella, wil it matter if they tell the truth or not, as most on here & other forums will still say its a pack of lie because they were found guilty of that in a court of law.. blah blah blah….

    As for why we didn’t get a striker, thats simple, we weren’t willing to pay what the selling club we wanting & who says that it wasn’t the right decision… after all, a player is only worth what someone is willing to pay & obviously the selling clubs knew we needed a striker & upped their asking prices but Ashley & co stuck to their guns & didn’t get dragged in to paying over the odds for someone who was unproven in the PL & could have yrned out to be a flop ie Keman (Chelski) who was the top European goal scorer but couldn’t score for nowt in the PL… or even closer to home, Marcelino.. what a waste of money, time & effort that guy was!!!

  • 22 shanghai fan // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:32 AM

    @ Davybtoon 3

    I totally agree – if we did buy someone who’s not a good fit, we’re stuck with them for 4-5 years. All for getting a good cf, but he’s got to be upto standard, and wanting to come play for us.

    If we went in with high wages for substandard’s, then we’ll have alot of dead weight on the team – xisco and smith for example.

    We’ll either have to pay some of their wages to let them go on loan, or they won’t be playing. Either way it’s a waste.

    I’m really sad we don’t have another striker, but we gotta buy sensibly.

  • 23 Keith in France // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    I agree with most of the above comments.
    I am certain AP did wanted at least a striker and will be p—-ed that the board couldn’t deliver. He only told the media/fans what he thought was the truth -why would he lie about it as some bloggers have said?
    He can only do so much -he does not sign the cheques
    But it will be interesting what the statement will say -at least it will be in black & white (no pun intended) which is far better than all the rumours and ‘insider’ comments.

  • 24 sirtoongospel // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Barton keeps banging on about proven Premier League players. Only the top 4 can spend massive money doing that, the rest only buy premier league has beens. Other than Barton, who in that QPR team would get anywhere near our team? Not one of them. When we slap them Joey can see who is the best. I hope Cabaye takes him out at the knee and Cheick stands on his throat.

  • 25 Markaccus // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Nightfall, you need another * for your F word. Either that or an apostrophe for the missing G. Guess perfection IS hard to achieve!

  • 26 Solaidback // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    Sorry, that was supposed to read Kezman, Kaman.. lol :)

  • 27 davybtoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:34 AM

    bill – so if your judgeing players by stats u must think barton is crap then bcoz in 4 seasons he played 68games n 8goal n 14 assists n u must ba is brilliant bcoz he has goal to game ratio of 1 in 2 which pees all over carrolls stats

  • 28 shanghai fan // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:36 AM

    @nightfall – joey’s just got sour grapes. he was tweeted remarks when cabaye arrived…another unproven PL player who’s been very involved in our 7 pts so far.

  • 29 davybtoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    barton keeps banging on about great players yet he joined a team who has bothroyd, puncheon, campbell, young, ferdinand, traore he must b thrilled lol he needs to shut up n concentrate on his relagation battle

  • 30 TOONALE // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    Statement.
    Pardew to have a Sore Chest in January.

  • 31 aussiemag // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:37 AM

    Hopefully they will have also learned things from their antics on the last day of this transfer window, and use that knowledge in future dealings.

    Ed please man come on, your kidding right.
    These wankers have had enough time at the club to know what they are going to do in transfer window time, especially such a large and broad window as the one just passed!

    My feeling is that we will get a free like Kuki and we all know what an awesome player he was for the club.

    Maybe Derek Lameass and Mike Assley will have grown out of their transfer training bras by next window, but i highly doubt that very much.

    Is Mike Assley a TIGHTARSE
    YES
    Is it Bullshit
    NO!

  • 32 elpaso_geordie // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM

    ED – how do you know alot of good clubs were in for BA ????

    His knees would put off a hell of a lot of teams i think and if i recall BA actually said to his agent what was the best deal available to him and his agent said Newcastle .

    Prob the best of a very bad bunch id have a guess at

  • 33 Toon_Army // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM

    @1

    No we did get (one) Ba (4 Free)

  • 34 terencelim // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:41 AM

    The club statements used to be so real- always the feeling of make-believe…

  • 35 PHOENIXNIGHTS // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:41 AM

    davybtoon – agree and to be honest what we have now is not too bad (finish 10th injuries permitting) and obviously HBA coming back is a bonus. I just want to be treat like an adult and be told the truth – this regime are liars (proven in court ffs) One thing to look at is a list of multi million pound flops we have wasted money on in Newcastle – its frightening
    Keep the Faith

  • 36 Offkey // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    I understand a lot of you are trying to put a positive spin on not getting the striker we needed…….but the logic your using doesn’t sound right.

    If we stopped at striker no.3, we would have known mid august we were getting no one. Gameiro, Gervinho, Erdinc…..However, a number were wishing Cisse would join (including you davy) and wasn’t he fifth or sixth on the list (maybe further down).

  • 37 Tiote4PM // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    I am a negative whinning bitch.

    I am not angry because of the team we have, or players we missed out on.

    I am angry that I have been lied to and deceived for more months than I can remember. Hollow promises by people who do not understand the impact they are having on my life.

    MY money now sits in someones possession who I don’t know, like or trust.

    I will support the team and our 2 million pound strike force.

    I will no longer attend games and spend my savings for the boards benefit.

    Thump, Dazza etc… Your mentality is childish and is the reason why Ashley thinks we are thick. You pay X amount a week out of you salary to support Ashleys team. Lied to and cheated, but still the ever faithful disregarded dog – always back for more.

    I have learnt and others from attendence figures are learning.

    Not prepared to pay for gold and get tin, even if that tin is perfectly sound and does the job – I paid for gold.

  • 38 Magforlife // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    As everyone predicted, spend money in January !
    Does this tosser think we are all as thick as f**k

  • 39 Geordiedoonsooth // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM

    On Santon I spoke to an Italian guy I know (a Juventus fan)and asked him about Santon. He said that up to his injury he was brilliant and if he can get back to that form then we have bought one of the best (if not the best) fullbacks in the world. I hope he’s right give the kid (only 20) a chance. As I’ve said on other posts we would have been saying this was a good transfer window if only we had bought a decent striker.

  • 40 richard // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:45 AM

    im pretty sure we can scrape by with the forwards we have, the annoying thing is the lies that comes out of them.im more worried about the lack of defenseve cover. is anyone out there out of contract who could do a job in that department. on the number 9 shirt we have had some world class numer 9s in the past, but remember the likes of rafferty clarke rob mcdonald etc, think what im saying is doesnt realy matter about shirt number only yo us geordies if you have a good striker you usualy have a good team. time will tel.

  • 41 Klatoon // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    Dont like Barton talking sh!te about our new signings,he can blast the board all he wants but to pick out individual players the way he did with Santon is not called for. Hope Davide pockets SWP as Cabaye n Tiote run circles around JB.

  • 42 aussiemag // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:46 AM

    Hopefully they will have also learned things from their antics on the last day of this transfer window, and use that knowledge in future dealings.

    Please Ed what type of a statement is this, these prats have plenty of knowledge on dealings reagarding windows, I for one think and always thought that Assley and Lameass need their heads red. We all new they where not going to sign a new striker if they had they have had 2 windows already to do it in.
    Please stop trying to sell bullshit to the fans with your sorry letter saying you really wanted to sign someone but we did our best you can understand right.
    Bahhhhh!
    Its all bullshit and it makes me sick to the bone.

  • 43 carrollsinger // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:48 AM

    Santon v Barton
    Santon seri a titles 2
    Champs league titles 1
    Full international

    Barton
    Prem titles 0
    Champs league titles 0
    International 1 cap

    Hahahahhhaha think you can safely say this boy is good hence
    The titles he has won
    Joey barton has massive sour grapes
    Jealous of cabaye
    He’s wasn’t the main man anymore
    His little click group all left
    Cabaye obertan abied santon Elliot ba marveaux
    All quality signings av age of players who left 30
    Av age of players signed 23
    Apart from a striker signing the squad is stronger and filled
    With more class you just have to look at the bench to see that

  • 44 valle // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    Ed… Dunno if its been said, but you are missing Enrique
    from the outgoing transfers in the side menu… Besides that, our transfer window looks good when you look at that list, a striker would have been the cherry on the top to make the window near perfect.

  • 45 Conan The Destroyer // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    Statement “we have found a buyer for the club”.

  • 46 sirtoongospel // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM

    Tiote4PM, that’s utter bollox. They support OUR TEAM. it will never, ever be Ashleys. He owns everything about the club, but when the lads take to the field they our ours. Always will be.

    Most of us are disgusted with MA, but to stop supporting your team? No chance. Ashley will leave in time regardless of what we do. In the mean time the team needs our support.

  • 47 GeordieToon89 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    nightfa11 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM
    Joey said: “selling their assets and replacing with cheaper gambles. Santon?? 16 games since 2008, in a poor Italian league, hardly proven PL”

    Did Joey actually say tht on twitter mate?
    if he did he’s a f moron why cant he just mind his own business and continie to play for the team who with battle relegation this season arsehole all he wants to do is cause unrest.. all the players weve signed are much better than he will ever be.. he couldnt pass a short ball was only good a over the top passes and i hated high/long passes.. JOEY F OFF you two faced pr*ck

  • 48 GeordieToon89 // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    must say a think the statement could be about Pardew leaving

  • 49 roy cropper // Sep 2, 2011 at 9:55 AM

    re the statement..

    with immediate effect – daveyboytoon – in between his mid morning naps & his afternoon medical treatment has be appointed the clubs chief scout covering all of france via espn tv.
    talks are also ongoing with davey for him to become the clubs official spokesperson regarding everything.

    best regards

    del boy.

  • 50 Rotonda heights // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    Hilarious for barton to have a go about Santon, not playing enough matches. Where was Barton for 3 years…oh wait

  • 51 sirtoongospel // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    I have to say if Pardew has chucked it I would be gutted. Everyone can see there is still team spirit there and defensively we have improved (the midfield working tremendously hard) and to be honest if he left I can’t think of a better manager who would want the job. JFK? Christ, it’s unthinkable. Pards carries himself well and deserves a decent crack at this supported by the board. If people protest I just hope its to put massive pressure on MA to back Pardew.

  • 52 NUFC_Richyg01 // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    Diouf and/or Beattie on a free anyone?

  • 53 Jarra Mag // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    I have seen the sttement – and it reads as follws;

    1. Mike hasn’t got his return on investment yet, so the club isn’t for sale until he gets another £40m in transfer profits – at current projections that’s at least 3 more transfer windows. Then anything above £100m will be considered and £150m is a guaranteed sale.
    2. Any player not liking it can bugger off. It’s Mike’s ball and he can take it home if he wants to and never goes into a huff. He never makes any enemies, just ask Mr Whelan at Wigan – he never bears a grudge. If any player is ever cheeky or nasty about uncle Derek, then they will be free transferred and it means that Mike will be around even longer.
    3. Derek is allowed to talk to Lee Ryder and to David Craig and wind them up, I mean tell them porky pies which they will spread just to annoy the fans. As long as Derek isn’t ever directly quoted – just “sources close to the club”.
    4. All stewards at SJP have been advised that war has now officially been declared on The Corner. Stewards have been trained using the “Get Tommy” videos of the 80′s – where the object of the game was to enter the Gallowgate to capture the “Little White Bull” without getting their helmet knocked off. Anyone moaning about Cocknees will be deemed to be guilty of Racial Discrimination and banned for life. Anyone standing up will be ejected – UNLESS they have put their hands up to ask permission to go for a pie or a pee. Anyone singing – especially not in tune or off key will have their names taken and removed from the “ability to buy an away ticket” list. Any songs with rude words in, like “fat” will get you expelled.
    5. Mike is going to bring back Dennis Wise. He was really good at transfers, while the current mob are hopeless.
    6. For the defence against the dark arts, whoops we mean “FA Tapping Up charges”, Mr Pardew isn’t allowed to blame Derek and his transfer team, Mr Pardew must take the full rap himself – that’s what he gets paid for. Just because it has nowt to do with Mr Prdew doesn’t mean that he can’t take the blame. It’s always worked for Mike in the past. Clean hands via delegation.
    7. The Club Accounts will show that it paid £8.50 to The Chronicle and Jornal NOT to do a story on the Transfer Tapping Up story. It isn’t Derek’s fault right – because he doesn’t know what he is doing and Dennis the Menace is training him – so it has to be Mr Pardew’s fault. The Chronicle have agreed not to talk to Orient or Socheaux or any club that has complained about us. They are not allowed to ask who did the tapping up, Derek or his mates. Hush. Anyway, it’s all Mr Pardew’s fault.
    8. There will be another statement on the twelfth of never and it will have facts in this time. No-one is allowed to re-read the Keegan court case papers where deceit is an expected management skill and it is considered essential to deceive the fans and the public. As with Joey and Keegan – Mike is prepared to look daft to 50,000 peaople in order to win an argument with one person and sod the cost.
    9. There will be no comment regarding to which charity the club has donated the recent player fines. Mike has not spent the money on tabs pop and crisps – that’s simply untrue, despite appearances, and they had better not sing about it. Everyone knows that Mike will shut stands down and disperse fans if they attempt any collective chanting – empty silent seats are better than ones with bums on making noises.

    Honest…….I have seen the draft statement.

    HWTL.

  • 54 derekm // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM

    A lot of people who post moans and groans on this blog about transfer dealings always seem to forget the fact that we are at best a mid table premiership club with an owner absolutely determined not to allow his investment to disappear altogether. We are’nt owned by a state, royalty, a multi billionaire oligarch or an american conglomerate. The owner knows he is unloved, and no matter what he does this will probably never change due to his errors in the past. Equally he will never be given credit for correcting the biggest error – relegation, by pumping in even more of his own money. To balance books that were by the sound of it taking us into the realms of a Leeds or even worse he has stated his plan to make the club self sufficient by 2015, by prudent purchases ans selling on these players as their value increases. If we manage to climb up the table between now and 2015 whilst doing this it will be a welcome bonus, but to expect the club to attract top strikers whilst implementing an internal wage cap is living in dreamland. I believe we had a number of forward targets that became over priced for what they could offer the squad ( Ben Arfa will be back soon ) as the transfer window ticked down and the sellers tried to extort more funds for themselves knowing we have still a relatively large pot of cash still in the bank from Carroll’s sale. I’m no Ashley lover – and Llambias makes my skin crawl, but I am a realist and can only wait to see what January brings.

  • 55 Davies // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    I hate Joey Barton.

  • 56 IPToon // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM

    Shortage of Strikers but plenty of decent midfielders.
    4-5-1, plenty of possession, here we go! Team vs QPR. Gutierrez playing behind striker like against Chelsea last year. Final score QPR 0 – 4 Newcastle. Easy Easy Easy sung from the Newcastle end from the 30th minute onwards after a 30 minute hat-trick from Best !!

    ————————– Krul —————————

    Santon —— Taylor —– Coloccini — Ferguson

    —————- Tiote ——- Cabaye —————–
    Obertan ———- Gutierrez ———– Marveaux

    ———————— Best —————————–

  • 57 NUFC_Richyg01 // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    I would play Smith for the last 10 minutes or so vs QPR for 1 reason only – Break Joey Barton’s legs, then when he gets sent off we get rid of him for a few games and he wont be missed!

  • 58 Jezza // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:21 AM

    Solaidback

    Seeing as you’re showing your face on here again I’ve got a few questions for you relating to comments you made before the transfer window:

    1 Where is Gameiro?
    2 Where is Gervinho?
    3 Where is N’Zogbia?
    4 Where are all the other top players we were going to sign?
    5 What happened to Barton’s new contract?
    6 What happened to Nolan’s new contract?
    7 What happened to Enriqie’s new contract?
    8 Are you going to apologise for calling me an “idiot” and a “Mackem” back in May when I rightly predicted that none of the Andy Carrol money would be spent in the summer window and that Barton, Nolan and Enrique would all be sold?

  • 59 cla5hb0y68 // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:25 AM

    The chief exec and club secreatary have had months to find a no9, at the very least they should have ensured cover for Ba when he’s not 100% because of Ramadan, or should his knee problem flare up again. It’s all very well saying that Best will step up to the plate but the club didn’t exactly give him a ringing endorsement when they wanted rid of him, earlier on in the transfer window! They have also failed to strengthen our defence with more quality and some much needed depth of cover, leaving us with a paper thin, mend and make do squad. In any other business, if the senior management don’t reach the targets set for them, then they get the bullet. The decision to replace them, ultimately, lies with their boss, Ashley. You have to question why a businessman, so ruthless and shrewd in his non footballing interests, can be so forgiving of his executives in the boardroom at St James’? There has to be something sadly wrong with either the club’s policy, negotiating team and/or ambition, when, in 8 months, it has failed to secure a no9 and defensive cover. the treatment of the Newcastle United manager is also a disgrace. Time and again he has to take the flak for the failings of those upstairs, it’s easy to criticise Pardew by saying he’s a puppet and that he’s only got the job because he owes them money which, incidentally, no-one has come up with any evidence to show that he does but what other club’s owner and director would stand by and leave their manager at the mercy of the critics, without a single attempt to defend and support him? The fact that Ashley and Llambias haven’t done so, sheds some light on their attitude towards people lower down the food chain. Disgraceful!

  • 60 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Now I know this is probably going to be misinterpreted by some, so I apologies in advance: I honestly hope that Mike Ashley sticks by the club for now and tries so get it back to a sound and self sufficient state; I know I probably lost some of you guys there, but as long as we fair well in the PL stability is my main concern.

    I fear if Mike leaves now, when we’re still in debt, the chances are someone else will come and see Newcastle as a lucrative playground where to make money. People don’t by Football clubs because they genuine cares for the fans they do it for the money. That will always be the paradox and the problem, because a Football club is a sport and it’s something alot of people invest alot of time and hard earned money into – namely us fans. A business needs to make money to survive, but if a Football club is run like a business you need to make sure that you keep your followers or else the business will fail.

    It seems some business entrepreneurs have found this out and tries to go around it. There are alot of money to be made if you run the club right, but there’s also alot of money to be made by running a club to the ground as long as you make sure some else down the line is going to pay for it; hence why I would rather Mike stays for now…

    Hopefully we’ll be debt free in about 2-3 years and hopefully by then Mike will sell and probably make a little profit, but we should be in a much better position then and hopefully a better ownership as well.

    Well that’s how I see it, feel free to comment. I am sure I forgot something and I am very sure some of you guys have another take on this ;)

  • 61 JBax97 // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    If Sammy scores, we’re on the pitch ;)

  • 62 Lee Dodd // Sep 2, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    The Thing is Here we had 3 months to get a Striker so why did we leave it until the last 24 hours to up our bids ?? The window is Closed so we have to concentrate on what we have now. The Squad is pretty good apart from a New Striker but we do have Sammy and Ranger as back up and least we forget Haris Vuckic who is a Crackin player in the making aswell as sammy .

  • 63 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    I don’t think MA has any immediate plans to sell up and leave – I think this depends on Newcastle fans actually organising themselves and making a concerted effort to force him out. He’s had his 4years and failed miserably to convince me he has any ambition to achieve footballing progress. His latest “achievement” after making mugs of club legends KK and Shearer is to mothball the iconic number 9 shirt!
    I expect this expected “statement” to be full of self-righteous/pity me/ I saved the club/ the market is inflated bollocks. For you dwindling band of Apologists (who have changed tack after promising the realists that we would invest big this summer) I say, Time to eat all your words, swallow your pride and open your eyes!

  • 64 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM

    Jesper…another 3 years of this will be unbearble for the majority of fans regularly attending games…everyone wants to see progress on the pitch but that needs some investment (I’m not asking for £20m galactico players, but real investment nevertheless). We have some talent at the club no doubt, but when planning any sort of campaign – whether you’re Napoleon going to war, Alan Milburn planning an election or Alan Pardew going into a Prem season – you need to take into account variable condtions and scenarios. That means for us, having specialist postions filled and cover in the event of inevitable injuries. We have failed miserably to do that and seem content to constantly trade at profit and gamble – this has encouraged a talent drain at club and disillusionment among fans and playes alike.
    MA’s greatest failure is his complete failure to see what massive potential Newcastle has – he is content to chug along in mediocrity and make some money whilst advertising his sweatshop wares across the globe via tv. Newcastle have the potential to be successful and compete with the very best (and make MA a fortune on the back of it) but he won’t spend a penny. He’s had his chances and has to go.

  • 65 terencelim // Sep 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM

    Imagine Mike Ashley here for another 20 years…

  • 66 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 12:16 PM

    @Solano

    I am with you about wanting progress and the need for planning, but if what you want is something in the mold of Man City, Chelsea or Liverpool I am going to tell you wake up and smell the reality.

    Before I go further, I’ll like to clarify that I want nothing of the sort. Lets get back to the progress and planning issues. As for players coming in I am quite pleased beside the fact that in 8 month time or so, Mike hasn’t been able to close a deal for the Carroll replacement; that was the main focus this transfer window and I thought that had learned their lesson when they sold Enrique – but I was wrong.

    I am not a fan of Mike; to many mistakes to my liking – but I question every businessman that wants to buy a Football Club, because what’s there motivation and goal? I still don’t know what Mike’s. So why should it be any different with a new owner if it’s just another wealthy businessman, American sport franchise or Russian Oil mongul doing money laundry.

    Another 3 years might be unbearable as you put it, but compared to was has been or could have been not everything is so doom and gloom.

    I think Newcastle is going to be run in the Everton and Arsenal model for the time being, meaning we won’t spend that much money and every player is for sale for the right amount. That’s the reality.

    We’re in debt, have to many players on way to high salary and somebody have to pay for that. I am not going to, and at the sound of it I don’t think you’re either.

    I am sure Newcastle have great potential under the right leadership; they sure have the best fanbase and a hell of a loyal one. But former ownership didn’t do much better or to put it in another way, they bankrupted us. It’s not much fun right now because we struggle to to cope with the new reality of not being able to buy big players, that under performs and are on ridiculer high salaries.

    When you talk about investments and spending money; what or who’s money are you talking about, because at the moment, if you disregard money made from transfers, Newcastle is loosing money and alot. Do we have a new benefactor that I don’t know of?

    We need a new striker and as I said before, there is no excuses for not being able to deliver that in 8 month time or so. That’s the gamble Mike has taken and it could be a costly one come January.

  • 67 Heinesen // Sep 2, 2011 at 12:24 PM

    So you guys will return to the glory days when we spent more money than we could ever pay back ?

  • 68 Mags // Sep 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM

    7 months to find a striker. Says it all. If I were Pards I would be stotting.

    Who from the club’s hierarchy has the bottle to come out and front the fans / media?

    No-one leave it to Pardew to take the flak and issue a statement. Llambias you are a rank coward.

    Of all the billionaires in all the world and we get stuck with this shyster.

  • 69 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 12:48 PM

    Jesper…Man City, Chelsea? I said nothing of the sort..you need to wake up and smell the coffee, pal! I’m presuming you live abroad and follow us from afar…let me tell you that people in this city are fuming and have had enough of their loyalty being exploited. It’s the fans’ money he is f*****g with – don’t forget the promises of investment this summer.
    No doubt we needed re-structuring financially but you believe that we were going bankrupt before Ashley arrived as our “saviour” – I challenge you to prove to me with documentary evidence that the banks were going to threaten us with foreclosure under the previous ownership. It’s a myth that only surfaced when Derek Llambias arrived and became a real threat when the mugs in charge got us relegated.

  • 70 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 12:56 PM

    Jesper..Man City? Chelsea?….I didn’t say that! You are the one that needs to wake up and smell the coffee! Mike Ashley bought a club that needed financially restructuring, not going bankrupt. I challenge you to find any documentary evidence to show that the banks were going to foreclose under the previous ownership. This “saviour” myth came about under Derek Llambias when the club were heading towards relegation due to the inept leadership of MA- only then did bankruptcy became a real possibility. Why do the fans have to keep paying for the ineptitude of others when they are forking out money that is promised for player investment yet disappears into a cloud of smoke?

  • 71 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 1:00 PM

    After 4 years and numerous transfer window failures and farces….I thin k it is safe to say that footballing achievment is way down the list of Ashley priorities. No more chances…..time to do what the liverpool fans had the bottle to by forcing regime change and putting themselves in the shop window for new investors.

  • 72 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 1:28 PM

    @Solano

    You can spend you own time searching the internet about the finances of Newcastle if you want documentation. Not so long ago I found a well written article about the finances of Newcastle dating back to 2005 and up till now.

    We were loosing £ 35 mil. every from 2005 up till now. We had the forth highest payroll cost. Right after Mike bought the club the financial marked had a melt down.

    The fans always pay, that’s the sad part of the truth. But get real mate and stop with the insult and whining. Get with the program and keep supporting the club.

    …Or you’re welcome to come buy the club and show us how it’s suppose to be done ;)

  • 73 Lee Dodd // Sep 2, 2011 at 1:59 PM

    Why could we not get a Striker to Sign For us But The Plonkers from The Stadium of ^&*()_ were able to ??? We coulden’t even Get Macheda on Loan from Man Utd as a Back up plan !!!!! With Ashley its all about Selling the Cream and Cutting Corners !!!! Now if We speak against him we will get banned from the Ground !!!! SO he is a DICTATOR aswell as a Liar Now !!!!

  • 74 Real Toon Army Fan // Sep 2, 2011 at 3:46 PM

    GET MIKE ASHLEY OUT HOW YOU ASK THOUGH A FACEBOOK ACTION GROUP, DONT BUY ANY SESSION TICKETS OR TICKETS TO WATCH THEM PLAY.

    DONT SPEND ANY MONEY THE FOOTBALL CLUB IE CLUB SHOP’ SHEARES BAR’ STADIUM TOURS ETC SPORTS DIRECT WEB SITES HIT HIM WERE IT HURTS THE POCKET REMEMBER HE IS A BUSINESS MAN.

    LETS ALL UNITE ON THIS WE NEED AT LEAST HALF OF THE STADIUMS SUPPORT ON THIS ITS PEOPLE POWER REMEMBER THAT MOVE AS A TEAM NEVER MOVE ALONE.

  • 75 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 4:03 PM

    Jesper …this may interest you..in our debate about debt and the difference with bankruptcy http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,90265.0.html

  • 76 piegut74 // Sep 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM

    You’d think that when Carr scouts a player he also provides a predicted value, with a buffer of 1 mill either way, and you’d hope that MA/DL/LC/AP/GC get togethr once a bid is made, set a offer cap and run from there. If you are making the above assumptions, then you’d could also speculate that before an offer is withdrawn, ALL folks discuss as a group whether we increase the bid through the cap (decision made with the footballing experts invovled) or we move on to another target. In the case of this window – where we confirmed we were not doing any more biz with 55 mins still left – you’d hope that this decision was made with Pardew being asked “we’ve got 1 hr left, gone through all your targets alan, we’ve been quoted 2-3 mill more than Carr says their worth, do we go for it – or do you have enough in the tank to get us to January”

    I know im in lala land….but you’d think the final decision would have been run past Pards..

  • 77 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM

    Jesper…of course it’s just fans’ debate (or whining as you may put it) but you need to keep up with current events and how the majority of fans feel. We all must remember it’s a football club first and foremost though,before we get swallowed in the maelstrom of amateur accounting and investigative work.

  • 78 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Real Toon Army….I spoke to these last week ..maoc@hotmail.co.uk.

  • 79 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM

    @solano

    I don’t know if it got lost in all the debate, but I’m no fan of Mike and extreme displeased with Derek, but they are here for now and I just want to move on and try to focus on what is still positive.

    It’s a very cheap stop to talk about amateur accounting and investigative work when it’s the facts whether we like it or not.

    A blame Mike for alot of things and him and I will never see eye to eye, but I don’t bear grudges for ever and I don’t waste my time blaming him for everything that’s wrong or goes wrong.

    I blame him for not bringing in a striker in time when he’s had 8 month.

    Solano I mean no disrespect, but of cause the majority of the fans dislike Mike – so do I, but whether or not the majority wants to bankrupt the club for the good of it I am not sure.

    But then again remember just because the majority says so doesn’t make it so ;) that’s the beauty of it.

    I asked you before when you were implying Mike didn’t invest accordantly, where of from who that money should come, since we’re in debt. I still think that’s a very relevant question.

  • 80 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM

    The money that is sustaining the club, jesper, is very much coming from the fans money (+commercial interests etc) – and never let it be forgotten, the near 60million taken in net transfer profits in the last 5 years! Don’t forget that we were promised we would see “all” the Carroll money reinvested in the team – that is paramount if you are asking me to trust these proven liars.
    You talk of facts but in truth you aren’t giving me any – there is indeed no evidence to show that debt is even being cleared – the last lot of paperwork seemed to show that the original purchase price of the club has been added on to it!
    By all means, concentrate on the positive but don’t ignore 10000 loyal paying customers have disappeared in 4 years under these jokers. I think as fans we should make a decision for the greater good and our own self respect and say “enough is enough”. If Liverpool fans can organise to facilitate change, why can’t we?

  • 81 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 5:22 PM

    Jesper..”amateur accounting” and sleuthing wasn’t a cheap shot at you but a phrase that covers all of the debate, no matter what side of the fence you are on! However, I do feel it is of more relevance for the Apologists to providec the hard evidence that MA is doing something that benefits us rather than his own interests, given that there is a plethora of evidence on the footballing side that shows he is doing us wrong. The “financial saviour” myth is rolled out every time with nothing to back it up but a Derek Llambias quote.

  • 82 drradgepacket // Sep 2, 2011 at 5:50 PM

    ‘we think Demba Ba and Leon Best can shine for Newcastle over the next four months, and bang in those goals’
    – just about everything is wrong about this statement, its a sorry state of affairs when you rely on a very poor striker and (from what i’ve seen from Ba so far) a clone of shola with a complete lack of 1st touch..

    quite simply we are weaker than last year, and have brought in cheaper, inferior players to what we we sold. MA & DL are trying to claw back what they put into the club so it can be sold, with ambitions only of survival until they can can sell.
    As for pardew, he is just a weak yes man that is quite happy to lie to the fans so that he can keep the only premier league job he will ever get again…

    stop fence sitting in these articles, its as irritating as listening to pardew speak

  • 83 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 6:17 PM

    @solano

    My fingers are getting a bit tired here, but here we go. To be honest our money aren’t really sustaining our club, but Newcastle like any other club would not survive without us fans. By that’s not the issue her. We’re talking about profit vs. debt at our club. Since 2005 we’ve been more or less £ 35 mil in debt every year, which means the running cost of Newcastle far more than what it generates.

    This at some point would have bankrupted the club if not Mike had put in further £ 130 mil. into the club interest free. Solano this is fact whether you like it or not. You cannot dispute it, just because you want new ownership.

    So how far does £ 60 mil in transfer profit get us? We’re still £ 70 mil short. I don’t know what Mike has done with the transfer profit and I am not going to speculate – we’ll see next financial year.

    He did promise to reinvest all of the money and I will hold him to that, but he never said it would be used on transfer fees.

    It’s sad when fans do leave and it does show something is wrong; I have never disputed that on the contrary. I just prefer stability for the time being, because I do think eventually he will sell the club and I would rather he did when the club was debt free than taking the chance of some other wealthy businessman coming here and increasing our debt and leaving us to bleed as Fat Freddy did.

    By all means do protest; I am all for that. It’s always good to voice our opinion. But do I want another American sport franchise to come here just to make money? Hell no. Why do you think they buy Football Clubs in Britain? Because people like the Liverpool owners want to sell each match individually and profiting as much as that can and that money is not going back into the club, but into the pocket of the owners.

    So organize to facilitate change ;)

  • 84 jesperfuglsang // Sep 2, 2011 at 6:32 PM

    The Newcastle United Statement has just been released and it really doesn’t add anything new :(

    And I wouldn’t really call it a statement; I think we need for the board to come out and explain what they want to achieve with this Football Club. Why did Mike buy it in the first place and where are we going.

    The striker apology was really sad; 8 month did they have – they could have secured him before the transfer window opened. It was our priority this transfer window.

  • 85 solano // Sep 2, 2011 at 10:30 PM

    Jesper…the wage bill has been reduced radically and tv income, season ticket money and a whopping parachute payment have have also gone into the pot AND we were told that the AC money would go to team strengthening – it’s in black and white from our manager just after a meeting with the MA. They can’t fool all the people all of the time.
    Apart from that I agree with you on the pathetic press release ;-)




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