Pardew To Make Lots Of Changes For Carling Cup Tie


Alan Pardew will do more than a bit of tinkering with the Newcastle squad for tomorrow night’s game at Nottingham Forest, and it looks like he will make  lots of changes.

Good shot of Demba Ba in Newcastle training gear – love that blue 

Pardew will have to balance giving some good fringe players a game,  while also ensuring the team is strong enough to make it through to the 4th round of the Carling Cup.

One player very likely to start is French star Ben Arfa, fit again after damaging his ankle ligaments in July in Kansas City on Newcastle’s American tour.

And let’s say it right now, the last thing we want to see ever again is Ben Arfa carried off on a stretcher, it’s too hard to take, and surely he’s now had his fair share of bad luck on Tyneside?

It could also be that James Perch gets a game tomorrow night, and others who may also feature include Peter Lovenkrands, Sylvain Marveaux, Danny Guthrie, Dan Gosling and Shane Ferguson.

Pardew told the local Newcastle press this today he will make a lot of changes:

“There will be a lot of changes. The squad is so tight, there is such a good spirit.” “Actually we could even put in a better performance with those who want to come in and have a go.”

“People like Sylvain and Hatem Ben Arfa have got to play.” “I am looking forward to tomorrow to see some of my other players.”

“We could have had all three on Saturday, but we don’t want to get greedy.” “One point and a fantastic performance is something I will take all day long at Aston Villa.

“We were outstanding in periods of that game. Cheick Tiote and Yohan Cabaye in the central area, aided by Demba Ba I might add, were outstanding.”

It’s good that Pardew gives Demba Ba some credit for Saturday, because after Monday night, when Cabaye and Tiote were overrun, Ba helped out and it made a huge difference.

It allowed our top two central midfield players to both have outstanding games – they looked great together – and both Cabaye and Tiote  probably had their best games of the season – to date.

Our very best chance of success to break our duck of trophies at Newcastle, which has been going on since 1969, and as far back as 1955 for a local trophy, is the Carling Cup.

And Newcastle have a strong enough team this season  to go on a decent run, so we have to hope that Pardew doesn’t make too many changes.

We have a feeling it will be a difficult game tomorrow night at the City Ground,  even though it looks like we should get through fairly easily.

But nothing is ever certain in football.

Comments welcome.



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172 comments so far

  • geordiefinn

    Sep 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #1

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/09/19/alan-pardew-prepared-to-shuffle-nufc-team-72703-29445930/

    This article says that Gosling “is poised for Carling Cup action”, so it seems that he’s OK.

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  • connor_nufc

    Sep 19, 2011 at 3:49 PM

    Comment #2

    james perch to score agaisnt his former club?

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  • GeordieToon89

    Sep 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM

    Comment #3

    If it wasnt for Given we would of won 2 or 3-1 maybe more

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  • shamsoftabriz

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #4

    Given our relatively thin ranks at the back behind our starting four, I’m interested to see Ferguson. And while I’m happy HBA will be back on the pitch, it will take a few matches before I stop holding my breath every time someone comes in to challenge him. We need him to be fit for Blackburn though–that’s a game we need to take 3 points from. As solid as we’ve looked, there’s quite a log jam of solid teams…not much will separate 4th and 14th this year.

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  • GeordieToon89

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM

    Comment #5

    Last 20 games away to Forrest:
    4 wins – 8 draws – 8 losses

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  • gstadt

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #6

    GeordieToon89 – does that go back to the Cloughie team of the late 70’s early 80’s lol

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  • wynsleap

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:23 PM

    Comment #7

    A good time to try out the Ameobi boys together up front?
    Marveaux should definitely start as should Elliott in goal. (needs to get the feel of the club if anything happens to Tim as it seems Harper isn’t going to play much).
    Would like to see Ferguson on left wing and another outing for Obertan on right wing to get him up to speed.
    Think Cabaye should be rested as he’s too valuable for Blackburn’s game. Guthrie could come in and do a decent job.
    Perch for the outstanding Colo would also be a suggestion with Saylor as captain.

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  • radge1

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #8

    Couple of observations from me about the Villa game. Firstly, i think Santon will make a big difference to this team. Not because Raylor isn’t doing a solid job, as i think he has plugged a gap. However, i think the problem is that Guti is having to hang back to help him out, or alternatively, Raylor isn’t pushing him forward the way Enrique did. Our penetration down the left wing was pretty poor on Saturday, especially compared to last season, when it was one of our strengths. We broke on four or five occasions against Villa and moved the ball across the pitch, but when it got to the point of rolling it out to the left wing, Guti was behind the play. Attacking play is very important to the modern full back, and when Santon is fit, i think our attack will be much more effective. Alternatively, we play with Marveaux and Santon on that side, which will scare the shyte out of most teams. The second point, is that Tiote & Cabaye remind me a lot of Petit & Viera. Not just coz of the obvious physical similarities, but because of how they play as a unit. Viera was the destroyer who breaks up play, but then would almost always play a short ball to Petit, who would then spray it about or shoot from distance. Our two play in exactly the same way together. Now if we can just find a Henry clone, we’ll be well away 🙂

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  • GEORDIE_LAD1

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM

    Comment #9
  • AshtreeKid

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #10

    we lost to forest when we were in the championship dont forget

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  • GeordieToon89

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #11

    gstadt – goes back to 1967/68 season mate,

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  • GeordieToon89

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #12

    AshtreeKid – aye we lost 1-0 mate but they had a better team when we wer in Championship they’ve lost a few of they better players and have a few injuries now plus they aint playing very well at home.. their home record is played 4 drew 2 lost 2

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  • gstadt

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM

    Comment #13

    Geordietoon89 – that explains so many losses then 🙂 good team that Cloughie had

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  • boater

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #14

    I think we looked excellent on saturday overall. Dominating any villa side at villa park for the majority of the game is no easy task.. a lot of credit goes to the central midfield 2.. especially Cabaye.

    I’m not even that bothered about the striker situation at the moment – we do lack a certain type of mobile, player up front and hopefully that will come in at some point..

    the BIG area for improvement is on the wings – I like Guti, a hardworking, driving winger who stretches the pitch – and always gives an outlet – but obertan looks too similar – willing runners, no end product and wasteful in promising positions.. marveaux for obertan for blackburn.

    as for notts – sammi, guthrie, marveaux, fergie, arfa – all quality players potentially, should be a cracker.

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  • Dannyo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #15

    I read Forest had lost 9 player this window and gotten 5, and Stevie didn’t seem happy at all, plus they just lost at Derby.
    I think it’ll be an easy match tbh, we’ve found our feet a bit now.

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  • benscott123123

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #16

    Like to see

    Elliott
    Perch Kadar Colo Santon
    Guthrie
    Obertan Vuckic Marveaux
    Ba Sammy

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  • Dannyo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:45 PM

    Comment #17

    Does Pards have a cold? Poor bastard… 😉

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM

    Comment #18

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/roblee7/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

    Anyone interested in old school football shirts take a look here. got toon away shirt 93-95 n some brand new one’s aswell, got some Partizan Belgrade shirts that are very newcastle-esque…think if our shirts were made by kappa they’d look like these 🙂

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM

    Comment #19

    oh, and i am praying to God that Alan Smith doesn’t start tomorrow…

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  • Sir Alan

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #20

    lets remember how many chances Villa had as well though. Agbonlahor and Bent were very close to scoring a couple. All in all if you look at the amount of chances each team had, you would have to say a draw was a fair result, although i feel we looked the better team.
    On the forest game, i am not very confident whatsoever, there are countless amount of games that we play against lower opposition when we just don’t perform, particularly away from home. These are the games we should be scoring 3 or 4 but we don’t seem as fired up for it, whereas the lower teams always are. (Stevenage)

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  • bainbridge2930

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #21

    Unfortunately forced to pick Perch to rest Saylor, hadn’t actually noticed how lacking in depth we were in defense. Basically forced to pick full strength defense minus Saylor.

    Elliott
    Simpson Perch Colo Raylor
    Guthrie
    Obertan Gosling Marveaux
    Ba Sammy

    Benscott – Santons injured, I think Vuckic is aswell? and while im picking your team apart kadar isnt here anymore either….

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  • AshtreeKid

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:08 PM

    Comment #22

    what about fergie?

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:10 PM

    Comment #23

    on the subject of alan smith…yes he’s gettin paid a bomb at the mo, but as a professional, he must be devastated at how his careers’ fizzled out….i mean, he’l b lucky to be on the bench tomorrow in carling cup team…id b gutted no matter how much money i was on like, did he ever get england call up in his day?

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  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #24

    bainbridge2930 Kadar is still here he played for the stiffs last week

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  • drongo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #25

    @ roblee – he did, and scored with his head. He was wearing the number 9 shirt and was hailed as being Shearers successor.
    He was never really the same after that horrible injury. People take the P out of him, but you cant ever really question his balls

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  • Geordiedoonsooth

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #26

    Smith is injured so he won’t be playing tomorrow and Gosling has a groin strain

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #27

    drongo – shame really, i always remember him as a pivotal part of that leeds team in the champions league…he’s been a shadow of that player since coming to us, or since his injury actually. having said that, i know it was a horrific injury he got at man u, but wouldnt say it was much worse than Ben Arfa’s…hope Ben Arfa doesn’t come back in the same way smith did, jesus…never thought of that

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  • Zangwill_Ho

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #28

    james perch must play this game!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha

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  • drongo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #29

    @ roblee – smithys was worse – his break went through the joint which also dislocated. If you see it his foot is basically on backwards.
    HBA’s break, although nasty as it was both bones, was actually a clean ‘greenstick’ break, awy from the joint, so just a straightforward long bone. The complications came from an infection he got after the first op – the second op was pretty much cleaning it.

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #30

    zangwill_Ho – id go perch on his own up front, with lovenkrands in behind…deadly or what? haha

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  • Dannyo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    Comment #31

    @drongo
    Cheers for the info on the last thread mate 😉
    And on Smith, ye something happened to Smith after that leg break, and he’s never been the same since.
    And retraining him to CM/ACM at his age like Ferguson did destroyed him further.
    Allot were happy when we got him onboard it seemed, but he’s been as big a flop as any.
    He’s had COUNTLESS times to prove himself, but he seems fat, cares only for his hair. He tries to give 100% on the pitch, but sometimes it seems we’d be better of playing 10 men.
    He’s just so immensly poor…
    Too bad, he should’ve had a great career, and even worse that we’re stuck with him.
    I don’t think he even cuts it in the Championship anymore imo.

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  • benscott123123

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:28 PM

    Comment #32

    Kadar is fit he played for the reserves, and im sure i read something about Vuckic being fit probably not i read so many reports online probably got them muddled up :-s

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #33

    drongo….that makes sense like. theres been some horrors over the years like…the one involving Schemichael and Bassett (or something like that, the Coventry guy) is the one that sticks in my mind most, that and Djibril Cisse, urgh

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  • P.I.

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:30 PM

    Comment #34

    @roblee7

    I think there’s a worry about Ben Arfa returning to his former self aftter an injury as dodgy as his but I dont think you can compare it to Smiths.
    Smith was a centre forward turned defensive midfielder? I never really understood that to be honest but Ferguson obviosly had his reasons.
    Ben Arfa is a completely different player though. Skilful, creative and with lots of flair. Smith never had any of those things, as a centre forward he was typical english, hold up, strong, good finisher.
    Since going into midfield he was simply relying on his determination and combatability. Being that sort of player is far more difficult if you cant run anymore.

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  • P.I.

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:31 PM

    Comment #35

    @roblee7

    The ‘Coventry guy’ was called David Buust.
    And he wasnt challenged. He simply caught his studs in the pitch, and the power of his own kick snapped his leg.

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  • Dannyo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #36

    @benscott123123

    Vuckic should be only a couple of weeks away with a healthy hand.
    I think he’s training cardio stuff, but they won’t risk him in training or in matches incase his hand is caught in a duel of some sort.
    Needs to heal fully so there’s no risk of complications it seems.

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  • roblee7

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #37

    dannyo… agreed on Smith, he’s awful, id be suprised if we seen him play again for us tbh, not that thats a bad thing. but as drongo says, it aint totally his fault from the injury and more fool us for giving him the last big payout of his footballing life…i think he knows it aswell which is why he’s running down his contract now

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  • P.I.

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #38

    Allerdyce signed Smith. No shock there. Some dude who gets about the pitch trying to fill people in. Typical Allerdyce signing. All physicallity and no intelligence.

    For me Smith is well within his rights to run his contract down. Its a shame that other more capable players have suffered/had to go because of Smiths contract.

    Barton would possibly have been offered a better deal had Smith not been on the payroll. And perhaps the club would have been more willing to stretch the wage structure / sign another player had Smith not been on such high wages.

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  • Dannyo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #39

    @roblee7

    I read something during the transfer window this summer.
    We seemed to try to shift him as good as we could, but he had said he wanted to stay to see out his contract.
    No doubt, the mans on £70k + a week and is barely good enough for the bench at SCU…
    The Leeds link was confirmed to be true, but they couldn’t afford to pay even 1/3 of his wages… :/

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  • drongo

    Sep 19, 2011 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #40

    @ PI
    The move to DM was post injury – hed lost a lot of pace but still had his aggression and battling side – Fergie saw him as a successor to Keane, and was apparently pretty sad to have to let him go.
    He was initially a CF for ManU – they played Rooney off him – worked very well for a while.

    I thought Smithy was a similar type of CF to big Andy, I really wanted us to sign him from Leeds back in the day. We just got to him too late when his best years were already behind him. Thats one good thing we cant argue with under MA – all our players should be only getting better…..

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