Tim Krul has been in sparkling form for Newcastle United so far this season.
Tim Krul – a fight on our hands Monday night
Tim had another good game at Blackburn on Wednesday evening, and he was unlucky to give away the penalty in the 64th minute.
Tim knows it will be a tough game at Stoke and they have yet to lose at home in the Premier League this season, but Liverpool beat them on Wednesday 2-1 at the Britannia Stadium, so there is some hope for Newcastle on Monday night.
Stoke score their goals from set plays, with either corners, free kicks or those long Rory Delap throw-ins, and it will be a very physical game too.
This si what Tim told the local Newcastle press today:
“You know what you will get at Stoke.” “It’s definitely not an easy game to have on a Monday night.”
“We’ll have a fight on our hands, we just have to be ready. We’ll touch on that in training.”
His former rivals Steve Harper and Fraser Forster are currently out on loan at Brighton and Celtic respectively, and it seems Tim’s confidence has been increasing ever since he made that debut in June for the Holland side, when he was Man of the Match against Brazil in the 0-0 draw:
“It started against Brazil.” “I always wanted to play for my country – it was a dream.”
“It came true this summer, and it gave me the confidence that I could really play this season.”
“The other goalkeepers at this club keep me sharp.” ”It’s nice every morning to train with them, and get advice off them.”
The back-up goalkeeper at Newcastle is now 25 year-old Rob Elliot, who was signed from Charlton in the summer, and the 6’3″ goalkeeper will be keen to make his mark on Tyneside.
Newcastle have never won at the Britannia Staidum, which Stoke moved to in 1997, after playing for 119 years at the old Victoria Ground.
So there’s some incentive to bring home all 3 points on Monday, at one of the oldest clubs in England.
Stoke City were formed way back in 1863, almost 30 years before Newcastle United were created with the combination of the Newcastle East End and Newcastle West End clubs in 1892.
A win would be simply great on Monday night, and would allow us all to get over our disappointment of being eliminated in the Carling Cup.
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98 responses so far ↓
1 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Krul the Conqueror!!!!
2 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:41 PM
This thing about Colo going to Liverpool.
It would be truly devastating but if we had to bite the bullet, 12M is a good price for a 30 year old on 85k a week.
So far we’ve replaced Nolan with Cabaye, Carroll with Ba and Enrique with Santon.
Provided we could get the ”next Colo” and I wouldn’t have a clue who would be in the frame, maybe we could mug Liverpool again ?
3 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:45 PM
Rotonda > fair point mate, we have replaced all of our other “irreplacables” – however Colo’s boots will be harder to fill imo. We are very very short in the CB position, so selling our best defender/player would be suicide, unless, as you say, we line up a worthy replacement. But if he DID go, not only would we need to find a class CB, we still need to get some cover in that position too. So we would need a couple of CBs, as well as a fullback, and that number9 shirt still needs to be filled!
4 shearermania // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:45 PM
we need to match stoke psycically….best and ba up front – play more direct…stoke always bypass the midfield..even man u’s midfield didnt get a look in…stoke bombs it up and uses their wingers etherington and pennent all the time……they are scary,,.—ill go as far as to say britania stadium its as daunting as to go to anfield or old trafford…..not many teams get 3 points at the britannia
5 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:46 PM
the only thing I would say is that I wouldnt want colo going anywhere in January, the window is too hard to find decent replacements, if they want to sell him best off waiting till the summer when you have time to sort out an adequate replacement.
6 Pottz // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Rotonda Heights….You get the feeling Ashley isn’t gonna make the same mistake with Colo as he did with Enrique. The next couple of months are gonna be pivotal to colo’s future at the club. If he doesn’t sign a new contract by Jan he could well be sold while he still has 18 months left on his contract.
7 shearermania // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:55 PM
http://themondaysupplement.co.uk/headline/ex-newcastle-star-sparks-celebrations-across-sunderland764/
this is pretty funny
8 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:56 PM
On subject on transfers. Here’s a really interesting article. Appears to be similar to what Toon want to do.
I would be devastated were Colo to leave. But Rotondo makes a good point about age and wages.
If we are to sell him then we must have a replacement lined up BEFORE we sell him. So that deals can be done and dusted simultaneously. Put it this way. It’s easier to pull out of a deal than it is to form one.
Aulas’ rule number 8: “Replace your best players even before you sell them”
9 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:56 PM
oops forgot to post article
http://www.espnstar.com/editorial/news/detail/item692008/Chhan:-Lyon,-the-envy-of-Europe/
10 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:57 PM
Oh an AshtreeKid. I second that. Why do we have to sell in January. Colo’s form is going nowhere.
11 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Shearmania > CLASSIC
12 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:05 PM
LGFUAD21 > good read that mate > without sounding daft here (for a change) it seems very similar to what we have going on at NUFC at the moment!!!
13 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Doesnt look like Tiote will be playing Monday chaps!!!!!
14 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:31 PM
where you get the tiote info tom?
15 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:32 PM
@ Toon_Tom:
Yeah, hence my Guthrie shout on the last thread!
16 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:33 PM
Lee Ryder!
17 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Ollieh > fair play mate, if it wasnt for Guthrie’s performance on wednesday, i would be shouting for Abeid to start, but i would probably go with Guthrie. Abeid looks class tho so either way would get my vote (and thats what counts
)
18 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:36 PM
what did he say?
19 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:38 PM
disappointed that abeid didnt start against blackburn with stoke in mind
20 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:39 PM
“Chiek Tiote classed as very doubtful for trip to Stoke”
21 Rotonda heights // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:43 PM
shearermania,
I think trying to play stoke at their own game is suicide.
We tried that last time with 3 centre backs and shola and carroll.
Why try and outdo a team who are better at it than you are?.
let speed and skill undo them. people have built up a fear factor about stoke. let them worry about us.
22 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Guthrie is a much better holding player.
He can pick a pass that most don’t see and is more reliable than the others we have.
For me, Guthrie has always been the player closest to being our CM back up. His assists over the last few seasons have been class and he can hit them too.
More stable than having someone wanting to push forwards etc.
23 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Rotondo
Again a very good point. We tried to outpass and wear out Arsenal and it didnt work. Newcastle have done best this season during second halves when we have come out swinging. We are good at landing attack after attack.
Stoke are strong but they dont have anywhere near the speed and skill we have. Need to be careful with placing passes though. We have got into a habbit in the last few games of giving the ball away at times.
I reckon our best chances will come from allowing Cabaye and even Raylor to make those shots from outside the box.
24 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Off topic,
Wanting SSN goal of the week, showed every goal twice except Cabayes against BB On Wednesday, typical init.
25 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Watching
26 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:52 PM
LG > and a couple of 30yard pile drivers from Guthrie ofcourse
27 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Scottishmag1
Thats a joke. Did they show Guthries, his was class too
28 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM
what about moving raylor to holding cm role and putting santon in at left back?
29 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM
there wasn’t a “very” actually it was:
lee_ryder Lee Ryder
#nufc Cheick Tiote classed as “doubtful” for trip to Stoke
he actually tweeted this just before the blackburn game:
#nufc I’m told from a reliable source that Cheick Tiote’s injury is not a serious one and the player still keen to play at Stoke #scfc
so he could be wrong again here’s hoping!
30 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Nope as I said typical of these wan….rs
31 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Team for Stoke
“……………………krul
Raylor……….staylor……….colo………….santon
Obertan………Cabaye……….tiote*………..jonas
……………..best……………ba……………
32 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:59 PM
AshtreeKid
Interesting idea. Could work
33 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 2:59 PM
yorkshire so no update since blackburn game?
34 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Guthrie can find the passes and if not then he can do the job that Tioté jobs of covering for Cabaye.
With a 4 – 5 – 1 you’re relying on your CAM (Ben Arfa type player) doing the job of creating space for the CMs to shoot or for the wingers to be overloading the box with crosses.
Only problem is, I wouldn;t through Ben Arfa in to the game with a load of players renowned for puting in robust challenges.
Best does a hell of a lot of running each game and can do the job of wearing them down.
Demba will feed off’ve the scraps and Guthrie and Cabaye can shore up the midfield.
35 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:01 PM
yeh see how that got mixed up abit he tweeted
lee_ryder Lee Ryder
#nufc Cheick Tiote classed as “doubtful” for trip to Stoke
45 minutes ago… :/
36 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:02 PM
Ashtree Kid > interesting idea!!!! hmmmmmmmmm
37 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:02 PM
just saying his info has changed so hopefully it will change again!
38 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM
scottish, I think maybe marv should come in for obertan what you reckon?
39 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM
@Ashtreekid
That’s a good idea but then we lose the deliveries in to the box.
Still think 5 in CM away from home at the Britannia is the way to go for stability!
40 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Best replacement for Tiote wold be either Guthrie or perhaps Abied if pards thinks he is up for it.
41 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM
Ashtree
If you were doing that I would have them switch sides marvaux left and jonas right side
42 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:06 PM
I think cabayes ability to break up play and start an attack (like tiote) is being underated abit by newcastle fans, having watched him alot since he came here he actually does put in quite a few tackles and often nicks the ball off opponents in important areas… our 3rd
I think this has helped form the partnership he has with tiote as tiote has at times been able to get involves with the attacking play as we’ve seen him knock in some crosses which have led to goals.
I also think when cabaye has his “quieter games” this is when cabaye has done exactly this and been breaking up play i can’t speak about the game against blackburn because i wasn’t there but i don’t think cabaye ever actually has a game where he isn’t contributing to the team effort like some people think
43 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM
And get them to switch during the game
44 Ibizatoon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM
SkySports have text saying STaylor and Tiote both expected to face stoke (Mobile text updates)
45 AshtreeKid // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM
for me we have to play best and ba up front or we are just in for a frustrating one nil defeat type game
46 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:08 PM
Ashtree
Agree mate 4 4 Fcn 2!
47 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:12 PM
I agree with Best and Ba needing to start! Best partnership since Shearer / Sir Les !!!!!
48 Ibizatoon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:14 PM
Toon_Tom You sure about that?
49 Ibizatoon // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Misread that…thought you said best premiership partnership….my bad
50 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Ibiza > nope, not atall “lol” but they do compliment eachother well. Neither of them are world class, but they are a decent partnership!!!!!!!!
51 Toon_Tom // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:16 PM
haha, no probs > they arent quite ready for the crown of “Best Premiership Duo” just yet – But theyre a decent pair!
52 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:17 PM
The advantage with having best and ba on the park is their ability to get back and help out with set pieces and corners against stoke!!
53 American Toon 13 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM
hopefully Tiote plays, but if not, this would be a game he is likely to get booked in. His physical presence would be immense though. I think Guthrie can do the job, as long as he doesn’t play like he did away against West Brom last year.
54 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:19 PM
@ Scottishmag – 100% agree. And they will be willig to do so too. More so than HBA.
They will have to do a lot of work in the centre of the park to hold off the Stoke CMs.
55 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:20 PM
This may be a ridiculous idea but with Stoke’s pitch being so narrow and their tendency to play long balls bypassing the midfield why dont we consider playing 4-3-3 especially with Tiote doubtful
Krul
Simmo Saylor Colo Santon
Jonas Cabaye Raylor
Benny Best Ba
This may sound stupid but Raylors crosses are great and with his defensive competencies helping our Santon (who we also know can whip up the wings). Jonas’ work rate would help Simmo out defensively and again we know all about his speed. But we would also have Benny on the Right side who could act as a winger when Jonas is being a little more defensive. Cabaye can hold it together in the middle of the field along with Raylor who we know can tackle.
Maybe im off my meds today but it would be an interesting experiement
56 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM
Will be interesting to see how Pards sees it for the game
57 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:22 PM
@55
See your point but given their pitch is so narrow, they do not always play the long ball would suspect that 3 in the middle might struggle a wee bit
58 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:25 PM
We have won zero games against stoke in the last 4 we have played them, think we are a much better proposition now!
59 nobby sol // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:26 PM
krul
simpson taylor collocini santon
—————- rtaylor
obertan cabaye guthrie gutierez
ba
60 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:27 PM
Nobby
Why 4 5 1 ?
61 Toon_Jock // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:28 PM
LGFUAD21 interesting line-up but if we are without Tiote that could very well work – OR MAYBE NOT
either way bet your a$$ Pard’s puts out his 4-4-2 AGAIN!
62 LGFUAD21 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:28 PM
Scottishmag1
Aye I know it is a hugely flawed idea. Im just bored. Didnt pards switch to 3-4-3 against Blackburn though or 3-5-2? When he put Sammy on.
Im mainly worried about set pieces. Crouch is a poor player except for set pieces. Do we have the height to match Crouch and Kenwyne?
63 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM
4 – 5 – 1 is the way forwards.
Keep them tight and active in the centre of the park, allow for passing options moving forwards.
64 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:31 PM
LGFUAD
3 4 3
As i mentioned on my previous would hope that Best and Ba start as they could counteract the two lanky lads at stoke (set pieces et al) ??
65 Scottishmag1 // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:34 PM
Ollie
If you go 4 5 1 you risk either best or ba
66 joppadoni // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:50 PM
it is going to be another tough game monday. first though we all have to go through the boredom of a weekend of nowt eek. hopefully the mackems will get pummelled.
krulls been a monster this season, think he maybe has made 2 errors in all games which is incredible. im so pleased for him and the toon.
i think mondays game though will be played 4-4-2 still.
hopefuly sammy and a few others get shown the tape of blackburns 4th goal several times to point out what concerntration is ..
67 joppadoni // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM
@lgf – I reckon crouch has a great game about him. For a giant he has a great touch and a very good footballing brain..
68 joppadoni // Oct 28, 2011 at 3:56 PM
We need to keep set pieces to a minimum on monday. and out pass them. feel sorry for collo and saylor as well as tiote s they are gunna be some busy little bees
69 Ollieh51 // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:05 PM
@ Scottishmag – Play Ba just behind Best maybe?
That way they can both swap roles with one another, I just don’t think this is a game for HBA.
Saw him back out of a few 50:50′s understandably and we can’t afford to stand off them.
70 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM
So then has everyone now agreed with me that HBA and Santon should be sold so Smith and Kadar can get their shots? No oh well
So Tiote and Saylor are both doubtful for Stoke…did anyone not know that?
Guthrie and Perch back ups will keep us full of pride am sure
71 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Oh and on a Colo replacement (which am sure we won’t need) how much would Shawcross cost?
72 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:18 PM
i heard about tiote but why is taylor doutful?
73 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:21 PM
i was under the assumption he could play with his nose i think he will there hasn’t been anything to go on to say he won’t play has there?
74 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Saylor with his broken nose, yes he is getting a mask but whether he can play with it on is a different matter specially against a very physical team like Stoke
75 yorkshireToon // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:25 PM
i think saylor will play he’ll be keen to, the only worry i have is that it will affect his performance.. does the mask cover your eyes aswell i imagine it might take some time to get used to..
76 ross armstrong // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:30 PM
my predictions for next 5 games
31st oct
stoke 2 newcastle 1
5th nov
newcastle 2 everton 0
19th nov
man city 3 newcastle 1
26th nov
man utd 2 newcastle 0
3rd dec
newcastle 1 chelsea 1
i think we will only get 1 win!! really hard games!! if we pick up 2 wins out of the 5 then i will be really pleased!! just cant see us beating city and utd away but the everton game is defo winnable!! after the chelsea match i hope we are around 6th place
77 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:34 PM
Drenthe missing our match against Everton doesn’t he?
78 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:36 PM
On Saylor I think he will struggle a lot with a mask tbh
79 joppadoni // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:44 PM
hmmm ross
scarily specific/accurate (?) if you ask me. hopefully wrong ofc but … eek. i think you may be right.
though i can see us getting 3 goals on monday.
80 ross armstrong // Oct 28, 2011 at 4:52 PM
joppadoni i hope im wrong and we win all of them lol
81 GeordieTwo // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:02 PM
WWJBD these injuries to Saylor and Tiote have finally exposed our lack of any bench quality that everyone has been worried about. No CB cover available (because we never replaced Campbell and Willo injured) and no DM cover to speak of. We have a bucket full of mid fielders but none of them are the attack destroyer type other than Tiote. What was Llambias thinking about in the summer? How to get the boss to let him run naked across St. James Park again? Truly Llambias is a waste of space.
82 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:18 PM
GeordieTwo
Yeah mate I think we were in need of another ready CDM and another ready CB in the summer but cant change that now.
Abied is one for the future (I think thats what they brought him in as not as Tiote cover as some seem to think) as for not replacing Sol well that was just stupid even Upson could of been alright and he was free but cest la vie
83 AP's Black & White Army // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:22 PM
We simply have to play our most mobile team.
If we keep it on the deck around their CBs, they’re always liable to make a rash challenge, none of them like running, especially Huth (hope he starts LB, I’d stick Guti on him, will win a lot of FKs and possibly get him sent off).
Best has to start, he will always run the defenders.
Marveaux will make a fool of Wilkinson, if he starts LW.
Crouch will start; easy to mark, but you have to anticipate his knockdowns. They’ll be a lot of scramble defense!
_______________Krul_______________
Simpson____Saylor__Colocinni____Santon
Jonas____Tiote*____Cabaye_____Marveaux
____________Ba_____Best
*Guthrie, I suppose, if Tiote doesn’t make it. I think he will. It’s a ploy by AP, he’s usually so guarded about team selection and who’s available, unless it’s a long-term injury.
3-1 Cabaye (pen, still haven’t had one in the league), Ba, HBA off the bench.
HTL
84 colwell // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM
For me Ba and Best have to play we have very little height in the team. Colo`s only weakness is his heading which is always a bastad when we play Stoke. Tiote and Cabaye again short as is Simmo, Raylor and although Jonas and Oba are quite tall neither are strong in the air.
I hate Stoke and the way they play our team is just not setup to play their type of football. Last year we tried going like for like with Sol as well but that backfired.
Another argument is play Marv and stick to our game, keep the ball on the floor and see what happens either way Saylor and Tiote HAVE to play.
85 joppadoni // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM
cabaye can cdm chappies
86 GeordieToon89 // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:36 PM
WWJBD – nah Drenthe is available for out game he got two yellows so hes only banned for this weekend
Also Guthrie wasnt training today wonder if hes injured again
87 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 5:40 PM
GT89
Ah I thought he got a straight red. Well crap he is a player that Drenthe
88 AMEOBI // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:07 PM
Right lads, went to Bewick holiday centre park thing and popped to Aldi for my dinner some mince and pasta… Does anyone know if the stuff is out of date or anything cos I’ve never been so ill in my life!!
Don’t go to ALDI!
89 AP's Black & White Army // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM
I’m hoping for a mass of red cards, in this weekends fixtures. Rooney is due one, so is Terry, that David Silva is a bit of a nutter too.
90 Matt Stoddz NUFC // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM
Should win the stoke game last time I went there Andy Carroll scored that amazing header! This time it’s gonna be demba!!
91 AP's Black & White Army // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM
Actually, Terry would have to get one next week….. .______.
92 eaststandgeordie1982 // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:27 PM
Dont think we have to worry about stokes midfield they are crap in the middle 2 ex scum players they are slow at the back they are good in the air lets just play football fast passing on the deck and we should be ok we dont need to change our game
HTL lets get back to buisness
93 eaststandgeordie1982 // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:28 PM
Fck terry hes shite
94 roshan MAGPIE // Oct 28, 2011 at 6:47 PM
i think if taylor IS not fit then i would rather play ryan taylor or simpson in center back instead of PEARCH and play santon in either of the wing back
95 Mancgeordie // Oct 28, 2011 at 7:44 PM
My team for stoke would be
———–krul———-
Simo-colo-saylor-santon
ober-cabay-tiote-jonas
————benarfa——–
—————-ba———
Good technically, quick pacey and abilty to keep the ball and hurt stoke maybe swap ba and best and if tiote isn’t fit play guthrie as he is technical enough to fit into that side
96 WWJBD // Oct 28, 2011 at 8:16 PM
Personally I would pick Barca or the Spainish national team as my team for Stoke
97 AMEOBI // Oct 28, 2011 at 8:36 PM
Now we all rate Guthrie cos he scored? The team has got to be:
Krul
Simmo S.Taylor Coloccini R.Taylor
Obertan Tiote(Guthrie) Cabaye Gutierez
Best Ba
Yes! Same team again….
98 stuart no9 // Oct 29, 2011 at 12:10 AM
” we’ll have a fight on our hands on monday night” thats bad news , that what AP said on tuesday night before the blackburn game. its strange but AP never seemed confident going into the blackburn game, is he getting the lads prepared for another defeat? dosnt seem like he is instilling a lot of confidence in the boys, so for that reason , i wouldnt be surprised if we come away with nowt. i think he is putting fear in to the team before they step onto the pitch
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