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Newcastle Winger Out For Up To Four Weeks

10:46 am, Thursday, November 3rd, 2011 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 80 Comments

Injuries are part and parcel of the football game, and news today that French winger Gabriel Obertan could be out for up to a month with a toe infection.

Gabriel Obertan – out up to four weeks with infected toe

But to course that’s exactly why you must have a strong squad in football these days,  so other players can step in when injuries or poor form appear during the season.

This looks like it will be an excellent chance for Sylvain Marveaux to show what he can do in the Newcastle first team, although both Dan Gosling and the in-form Danny Guthrie and the skillful Ben Arfa can also play out on the right wing.

Rather surprisingly,  Gabriel has played in every Premier League game so far this season, and he has shown some good form and set up Demba Ba’s first goal on Monday night,  with a good run down the right wing, which ended in a superb cross that Ba headed home well.

The 22-year-old former Bourdeaux player joined from Manchester United in the summer for around £3M, and he has settled down well on Tyneside, and nailed down the starting right wing position at the club.

A very disappointed Alan Pardew had this to say today about Gabriel to the local Newcastle press:

“Gabby has an infection in his toe. It looks like he could miss three or four weeks – a big disappointment,” 

“Gabby is a really good player for Newcastle to have and I think he’s done fabulous for us so far and his presence has been part of an unbeaten start to the season.”

“I am really, really happy with him.”  “On occasions you want to see him open his legs a bit more. But he has to get that fine line between when to attack and when to keep the ball.”

Pardew will have Sylvain Marveaux or Dan Gosling in line to replace Obertan on Saturday, but don’t be surprised if Alan keeps Danny Guthrie in the side and plays him on the right wing, with Cheick Tiote  expected to be back to play against Everton.

We must say Gabriel has done much better than we thought he’d do at Newcastle, although he still has his critics, but the more the lad plays for Newcastle the more his confidence has returned, after a tough time at Manchester United.

In the two seasons he had with the Red Devils, Obertan made just 28 appearances with one goal,  yet already has made 12 appearances for the Magpies.

Who do you think will get the nod at right wing on Saturday?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Dan Gosling · Danny Guthrie · Gabriel Obertan · Newcastle News · Sylvain Marveaux



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80 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    On occasions you want to see him open his legs a bit more.

    Made me laugh, may be his girlfriend thinks the same 2

  • 2 GeordieGerman // Nov 3, 2011 at 10:51 AM

    Don’t play Guthrie on the right.

  • 3 nufc_123 // Nov 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    not the worst injury in the world to have, just slot mr. sylvain marveaux in on the right and we’ll be fine :)

  • 4 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 10:58 AM

    i will say, Perch on the right

  • 5 lgnufc // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    if you had to pick an injury to a starting player it would have been Oba or Besty in my opinion, not that im happy about the situation. but so whats the go for Everton? jonas on the right, and sylvain on the left to whip it over to demba?

  • 6 BiggMarketBoy // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    @GG: Agreed, we need to stop playing our central midfielders out of position.

    Let’s give Marveaux a chance to shine. Howay!

  • 7 Greg B // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    I think Marveaux too, a natural replacement.
    With the options we have there should be no need for Pardew to stick Guthrie on the wing, would have Gosling ahead of Guthrie, especially against Everton.

  • 8 lgnufc // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    seriously disappointed if perch goes out on the right btw, and guthrie playing on the wing is not a good idea either.

  • 9 Kris // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Bad news! But we have Benny and Marveaux ready. Hope we play Marveaux against Everton!

  • 10 Phatoon // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Bit of a blessing in disguise really…

    Although I don’t think Obertan has been a bad as many make out, he could definitely improve. It also means that HBA or Marveaux can take his starting place and Pardew would only have to sub on 1 of them in order for them both to partake. Then we Obertan is fit again he may have to fight for his place a bit more and give him the boost he needs.

    If Best is still ill (although he played well on Monday). We could always try a 4-5-1:

    ……………………….Krul
    ……………S Taylor…..Coloccini
    Simpson………………………………R Taylor
    ………………………Tiote
    …………..Guthrie………Cabaye
    Marveaux……………………………Gutierrez
    ………………………..Ba

  • 11 TS -77 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Just “happy” or maybe I should say lucky that its in midfield were gettings injuries cause there is competion for places. Would be disaster if the defenders or attackers would break down.

    Get well soon Obertan. And Ed as well.

  • 12 Stuart // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

    Quite a shame as I like Obertan, but it does give a chance to either Marv or HBA.

    I worry slightly about AP like, he doesnt half make some camp comments every now and again haha!

  • 13 Phatoon // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

    *when Obertan is fit

  • 14 TS -77 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM

    Hope to see Ben Arfa given Obertans place, winger or not, on form he´s probably our most talented player.

  • 15 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    @LGNUFC

    I was only joking abt perch on the ryt

  • 16 spitfire_ // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:09 AM

    It’s Marvelous time!

  • 17 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    Ben Arfa wont play as Pardew has said himself he wont play him on the wing, ad imagine it will be Marveaux which a dont think will work as he looked very uncomfortable playing on the right against Blackburn.. wack Sammy in haha

  • 18 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:11 AM

    actually Abeid can play right wing aswel

  • 19 Toon_Tom // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM

    Marveux or HBA in my opinion. As long as he doesnt put Guthrie on the right > Or as the Indian states, PERCH :-0

  • 20 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM

    nehh play Marveaux =]

  • 21 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM

    Guthrie will play CM am guessing cos apparently Tiote still hasnt trained a wonder if wer just not guna risk him cos we need him for the 3 games after international break

    ————–Krul
    Simo-Taylor-Colo-Raylor
    ——-Guthrie-Cabaye
    Marveaux————Jonas
    ————Best—Ba

  • 22 lovinthebanter // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:16 AM

    Hi Guy’s, first post but follow the comments everyday! Just registered because although it’s sad for Obertan…. it’s nice we have options and one that hasn’t been mentioned is Santon! moving raylor up field?????

  • 23 geoff777 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM

    Marveaux would be the natural replacement.

    Gosling can play there too.

    Looks like we’ll get to see some of the players who with a few starts could make a real claim to keep the shirts.

  • 24 wynsleap // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:23 AM

    Disappointed with the Obertan news. The lad was just starting to get his confidence going and was beginning to make a real impression.
    Guthrie has never played well as a right winger and should not be considered. Neither should Gosling or Benny. It has to be Marveaux or maybe even give Sami a chance.
    Another alternative would be to use Ryan Taylor and bring Santon in at left back. (probably my choice).
    Pardew has to think carefully about this one as 3 points on Saturday will put us in great heart for the tasks ahead.

  • 25 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    @23
    and in second place, for 2-3 hours atleast

  • 26 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:26 AM

    @24 sorry

  • 27 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:28 AM

    tbf Santon used to be a right winger he could come in and do a right footed Gareth Bale

  • 28 CaptainGeordie // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:28 AM

    Wouldn’t even risk Tiote like ! Keep Guthrie in the Mid and Put Ben Arfa on the right.

  • 29 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    why should Gosling not be considered ? he played ther for Everton

  • 30 geoff777 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:37 AM

    Marveaux / Gosling / Sammi / Santon / Guthrie / Raylor (Santon to LB)

    Looks like we’ve got it covered :-)

  • 31 Klatoon // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:37 AM

    I dont want Marveaux on the RW,rather play HBA in a free role drifting in from the right. One thing’s for sure,Simmo is gonna be exposed unless AP moves Jonas to RW (which i doubt)

  • 32 lgnufc // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM

    Haha @Indian Magpie
    Thank goodness for that. Terrible player

  • 33 Toonboy_84 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:45 AM

    How about raylor rw and santon lb?

  • 34 joejoe // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    Raylor on the wing? How can you expect to be taken seriously with that suggestion? Really???

  • 35 wynsleap // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM

    GeordieToon89 @ 29
    Because I don’t think he’s up to speed yet in his favoured midfield role never mind asking him to do a running job on the right wing.

  • 36 Stuart // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:48 AM

    Ryan Taylors natural position is RW joejoe. How can you expect to be taken seriously if you dont know that?

  • 37 wynsleap // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:50 AM

    joejoe
    How can you expect to be taken seriously with that comment?

  • 38 wynsleap // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    You just beat me to it Stuart

  • 39 Indian Magpie // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    @stuart

    Ryan taylor played on the left with valencia on ryt in a wigan team that did decent

  • 40 Toonboy_84 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM

    Well done Joe Joe. Showed your great knowledge of our players there. ;)

  • 41 nickfish90 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:57 AM

    Just remember guys, whoever does play in the RW slot will definitely have to track back all game as they’ll be up against one of the best attacking left backs in the prem in Baines.

  • 42 Toon_Jock // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:57 AM

    I like Obertan, and although alot of people gave him a hard time start of this season I believe he has came good for us… and he has great pace.

    Also think he has got some goals in him too, just needs more time to get into the box and pop off those shots

  • 43 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM

    Stuart – Ryan Taylors natural position is Right Back actually mate, he said so himself in an interview a while back he said he will play anywhere but his actual position is Right Back and would like to make it his own

  • 44 magpiebop // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:01 PM

    4-4-1-1 vs Everton

    Krul.
    RTaylor,STaylor,Collocini(c),Santon.
    SAMeobi,Guthrie,Cabaye,Marveaux.
    Gosling.
    Ba.

    Subs- Soderberg, Simpson, Abeid, Vuckic, Guttierez, Ben Arfa,Best.

    Need to freshen things up after our efforts at Stoke City. Good strong bench as well!

    ALAN PARDEWS
    BLACK AND WHITE ARMY

    HAWAY THE LADS

  • 45 GeordieToon89 // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    magpiebop – nowt like totally changing a winning team ther is tha lol Jonas on the bench are u mental?

  • 46 liam85 // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM

    @nufc_123 – it’s so nice to have other options nowadays :D

  • 47 rangerdanger // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    Marv on the left and jonas on the right, I think jonas would be great on his natural right side! Just look how good he`s on the left side…:)

  • 48 jesperfuglsang // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM

    So Pardew, now comes the time to show us what you’re really made of. Injuries will come, and you seem reluctant to chance formation from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1 even though it’s more suited for the kind of players we have and nor to mention that NOBODY in the top three in any of the major leagues uses 4-4-2 anymore.

    You need to keep it fresh and you need to rotate your choice of players because no game is alike. Our players will suffer from fatigue, injuries and so forth and we need to be ready for that.

    I have said it before but I’ll say it again. All this “if it ain’t broken then why fix it”, is going to be our downfall. And to be honest we’re in the top free because of luck not because we’re the better team, all though th game against Stoke showed some real progress.

    HWTL

  • 49 jesperfuglsang // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    free = three :)

  • 50 sox // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM

    Hope HBA gets a shot dwn the right at everton then pardew might realise that he’s a winger, i just think he gets a bit isolated wen he plays through the middle.

  • 51 Brutooon // Nov 3, 2011 at 12:52 PM

    1) Marveax/HBA on the right winger. Not bad Tbh

    2) Raylor on the Right Winger and Santon Left Back.

    3) Gosling/Guthrie at right winger. Gosling can but i don’t rate Guthrie there

    4) Jonas on RW and Marveax/HBA on the left. This might expose Raylor on the left

  • 52 ballerfan2 // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM

    It really does make me laugh that despite our position, how well the team are playing, and how astute tactically Pardew has been, that there are those who are suggesting he make radical changes. The Toon are 3rd having played 4 4 2. No matter how you might view it that is a fact. Ryan Taylor at RW? Not when you have Ben Arfa or Marveaux as alternatives surely. A number of people go on and on about Gosling. Pardew works with these players day in and day out and possibly, jut possibly, he sees Guthrie as his better option AT THE MOMENT. The same applies to Gutti on the left – he probably sees him at his most effective in that position – and who are we to argue when he has been probably our best player this season. Changing the team and it’s formation would be wrong just because Obertan is out. My choice would be a natural replacement for the position, either Ben Arfa or Marveaux – but I would bow to Mr Pardew’s greater experience to make the right choice.

  • 53 HENDAS-NUFC // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:07 PM

    @Phatoon & magpiebop

    really lads why the f would u wanna change an unbeaten side, yes Obertan is out but we have back up for him why change any other players like taken Best out, just coz he hasnt scored more as demba the partnership is perfect at min.

  • 54 LEROI // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:13 PM

    As big of a Sammy fan as i am i have ruled him out for a start on saturday only because Pardew will. He just doesn’t have as much faith in him as i do! I would go with the Raylor on the right wing Santon to left back plan as my plan ”A” because most times Raylor has played on the right he’s either scored or assisted a goal. The only problem i’ve seen with him is he’s not very pacey but was Barton or guthrie when they played there? no! I would’ve said go with HBA (1)because he played great on the right in the citeh game before De Butcher chopped him down, but he & Pardew have some sort of mental block that makes them ignore his talents as winger! (2) He is crap @ tracking back lol! I also considered Marveux but i hear he has a terrible record for not tracking back also. We can’t leave simpson on his own against Baines and probably Osman.

  • 55 wynsleap // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:32 PM

    Agree LEROI
    Apart from Ba’s deadly treble, the secret of our success against Stoke was due to the tremendous back tracking and support given to our full backs from both wingers.
    Against a hard working and dangerous team as Everton we should maintain that type of hard graft, and determination alleviating the pressure on the defence and allowing Best and Ba to do the business up front.
    In my opinion Ryan Taylor could do just that.
    Sami, Marveaux and Benny may give us more “moments” but the protective cover on the full backs won’t be there.
    It’s this “hard work all over the pitch” philosophy from Pardew that in my opinion is preventing Ben Arfa and Marveaux getting more playing time.

  • 56 thebionicMAG // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    What is Marvs preferred position???

  • 57 magpiebop // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM

    A lot of reports on the Blackburn game said players looked tired and I think we would still be in the cup if we’d made more changes. We don’t need tired legs on the pitch in midfield and attack when we have more than adequate cover. Tired players are more likely to pick up injuries.

  • 58 magpiebop // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    @55 LW, AM, or CM

  • 59 ardenTOON // Nov 3, 2011 at 1:58 PM

    putting ryan taylor on the wing would be the most absurd thing to do when he’s doing so well at lb and when the alternatives are ben arfa and marveaux. And putting Santon lb to move raylor..what a load of tosh. This ain’t the playstation guys, get real :(

  • 60 Super Al // Nov 3, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    The only natural winger we have is Marveaux. Guthrie and Gosling are central midfielders.

    I think this will be the only change we make as Pards has obviously been keen to keep the same starting XI – when all fit.

    If however he decides to alter the formation to 4-5-1, then I reckon HBA would play just behind Ba. Playing three of Tiote, Guthrie, Cabaye and Gosling through the middle is just too defensive, well at least at home. Maybe playing three of them would have been wiser had Fellaini and Cahill been fit.

    Howay the lads!

  • 61 ardenTOON // Nov 3, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    @magpiebop
    We had santon, marveaux, benny, guthrie, perch …is’nt that almost half the team that was changed…rings hollow mate

  • 62 Nufc_rulzz_our_heart // Nov 3, 2011 at 2:50 PM

    play lovenkrands at rw..wud do a decent job…but benny shud be given a game from the start…we want him fully fit against manci for the battle of the unbeatens..beating everton is a must..and i trust the present newcastle team to get the result against everton..if we remain unbeaten in our nxt 4 games..sky will be the limit..just waitin to test ourself against the leagues best teams..htl

  • 63 veto // Nov 3, 2011 at 3:19 PM

    marvauex wont let him back in the squad ,
    thankfully its a position we not only have cover in but from everything ive seen , a better player for the position with marveux .
    far to often for my liking ive seen obertan watch as we loose the ball and a player no more than ten yards away breaks and he just watches , maybe it’s hard to live upto jonas on the other wing and all the work he gets thru we all take for granted now, but i belive marveux tobe the smarter player and with more goals in him too

  • 64 laurentrobert32 // Nov 3, 2011 at 3:27 PM

    not sure why every1 is slating the idea of raylor on the right wing. as someone mentioned the key to our success and great defensive record this season has been down to the work rate of the team and our wingers covering our dogey fullbacks. im not sure ben arfa or marveaux will do that and thats most likely why they havnt been given their change and why we let in 7 goals in the last 2 cup games. for me raylor would give that work rate and can put in a decent ball. i think he may get the nod.

  • 65 LEROI // Nov 3, 2011 at 3:40 PM

    That lovenkrands suggestion is now be plan ”B”. He’s got the pace for the wing, i’m confident he’s professional enough to TRACK BACK but i can’t remember how much crossing ability he has? Anyone help me out on his record for crossing?

  • 66 YankeeToon // Nov 3, 2011 at 4:03 PM

    Although you don’t want to see a player hurt gotta say AP has got some quality options to fill that slot.

    Since we are talking substitutes it is of much concern tht we went to Stoke with only Perch as a defensive sub which tells me that don’t have any faith in Kadar, the irony being that by halftime Stoke had to sub for two on the back line. I think we need to bring in two defenders in January.

    Ridgewell AND Pieters?

  • 67 YankeeToon // Nov 3, 2011 at 4:12 PM

    Good post @52 ballerfan. Your post echos exactly what I think. AP sees the team everyday and is going to start annd sub the best players for the situation at hand. My only explanation for Benny not getting playing time is:
    1. He is coming off an injury
    2. Doesn’t show the defensive effort AP seems to relish from any player not sitting up top alone which seems to Best at the moment or Ba when he subs for Best during a match.

  • 68 cleggy78 // Nov 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM

    Mike ashley just found steeling some boots fancies himself on the wing on a serious note hba defo after his last performance against everton

  • 69 LEROI // Nov 3, 2011 at 4:37 PM

    I loved the way the toon played back in the keegan era i did! But were did it get us in the end? just hoping and praying that the opposition wouldn’t realise how bad we were at defending, especially the massive gaps our attack minded wingers left because they just wouldn’t TRACK BACK and help our defence! We now attack well but defend better! This will get us somewhere! Thats why i would take a tiny gamble on putting Raylor on the right to replace the back tracking Obertan and Filling Raylor’s LB slot with the once full Italian international LB Davide Santon! Not really Absurd or bad tactically to want to make sure we don’t just score 1 more than them but we actually try to stop them from scoring any is it??

  • 70 Sir Alan // Nov 3, 2011 at 5:13 PM

    Is Tiote not fit for the game??? Someone said to put Raylor right mid and Santon left back which is not a bad shout but then why disrupt a solid defence? As well as Guthrie did on Monday, i think he will start, but i would like to see this:

    ———————–Krul————————–

    Simmo——-Taylor——-Colo————Raylor

    Marveaux—Cabaye——-Tiote————Jonas

    —————-Best——–Ba———————-

    Subs: Elliot, Santon, Gosling, Sammy, Ben Arfa, Lovernkrands, Guthrie. (I would love to see Abeid, Vuckic or Fergie on bench though!)

  • 71 andymac887 // Nov 3, 2011 at 5:19 PM

    ad put ben arfa in either left or right think he will do a job if he plays down the left a think he wud hav to put santon there for pace dont think ben arfa will work as hard as guti so might leave ryan taylor exposed then put ryan taylor right back wit guti right wing keep there partnership going

  • 72 American Toon 13 // Nov 3, 2011 at 5:44 PM

    Just play Marveux out there as he deserves a chance. Actually it’s a good time to pick up an injury. Obertan will miss Everton, but then we’ve got the international break so he could potentially be ready to play against Man City and def play against Utd, so he won’t be missing much.

  • 73 beefman13 // Nov 3, 2011 at 5:46 PM

    shame about obertan he put in a mighty shift on monday so respect there, marveux comes in for me and if tiote is back he goes straight back in, marveux willo have to and i am sure he will work his socks off just as jonas does on the other side to give our left and right back extra cover, thing is marveux does not give the ball away as easily as obertan so that is a good thing for starters, pardew has said he feels a bit sorry for marveux as he is not getting a game well now is his chance to play the lad.

  • 74 Willo // Nov 3, 2011 at 7:16 PM

    _________Krul_________
    Simpson Colo Saylor Raylor
    _____Guthrie Cabaye_____
    Marveaux_________Jonas
    ______Ba____Best______

    Jonas is definitely needed on the left to help out Raylor defensively and i wouldn’t mess with their partnership. Marveaux comes in on the right but he needs to understand that he also needed defensively,

  • 75 p // Nov 3, 2011 at 8:39 PM

    I think it will be an unchanged side other than marveux in for oba but, you can never be sure with ap.

    Bring hba on at some point for someone depending on how the game is going.

  • 76 demba_ba_ba_ba // Nov 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM

    has to be mareaux or sammy !!! Sammy amoebi plays right wing for reserves and does a gd job so give him a chance and also meens it will b a differnt option and can offer tht unexpected moment that everton wont no how to deal with.

  • 77 demba_ba_ba_ba // Nov 3, 2011 at 8:47 PM

    any1 c andy johnsons goal, cnt belive we could of signed him

  • 78 Toon73 // Nov 4, 2011 at 12:29 AM

    Santon or Marveaux should take the right mid spot…both are very fast and like to attack !

  • 79 Robby Bobson // Nov 4, 2011 at 1:29 AM

    Marveux against Everton, Santon versus City.

  • 80 ardenTOON // Nov 4, 2011 at 4:53 AM

    putting ryan taylor at rm would make us less mobile and if you watched the game at Stoke it was obertan’s pace that got us the opening goal and prevented them from over commiting in attack. So for me it’s got to be only one change and that would be benny or marv at rm to preserve our attacking threat on that side. And never change a defence that has worked so well. Remember the hits raylor took at stoke and played thru…Anyone notice Jonas seems to play better and direct now with jose gone?




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