Pardew – Newcastle Determined To Get Result At Old Trafford


If Newcastle can learn from what happened last week at the Etihad Stadium, and take those lessons into the game at Old Trafford tomorrow, there’s no reason  Newcastle cannot come away with a result.

Alan Pardew – can Newcastle learn from their mistakes?

But it’s a tough job to be sure, and there’s not too many sides come away form Old Trafford with much at all, with the obvious exception this season of their Manchester neighbors City, who hammered the Red Devils 6-1 recently.

Alan knows it’s going to be a difficult game,  as do Newcastle fans, but it seems he wasn’t aware that it’s been 39 years since we last won there, way back in 1972:

“1972 – really?” “If you go to Old Trafford against the quality of players and the atmosphere created in that stadium, of course you are going to find it very difficult. The odds are you will not get many victories and 1972 suggests we are due one.”

“But you need a bit of luck, sometimes you need the ball just to roll your way or fortune to favour you. But you’ve got to force that, force a situation where they might make a mistake or we have a forward running beyond and a player commits himself and they are down to ten men.”

“You have to force the issue like that. We almost did that at Man City, almost scored the first goal.” “And as I say, that is crucial. ” “When that chance comes along take it because we ain’t going to get many chances there.”

“There was disappointment in the changing room afterwards and that bodes well, I think, going forward because we genuinely thought we could have done better,”  “Not just the manager or the coaches but the playing staff inwardly – and that’s important that they feel that.”

“Training has been lively this week.”  “When you get a defeat, you look at everyone’s stats. Did they run enough, did they work enough, did they pass the ball enough? And put it all up for the players to see but you know, there is a work ethic here that we expect and we need to take and improve on what we did at Man City.

“We will gain confidence from the fact there was obvious things we could have done better against Man City, and we will need to bring that to the playing surface against Man U, for sure, otherwise we will get beat again.”

“And we don’t want that so we are determined to get a result.”

Newcastle beat Man United 2-0 on 11th February of 1972 after losing 1-0 in the game at St. James’ Park on 23rd October of 1971.

And now that Alan knows it’s been so long since Newcastle won at Old Trafford, he will no doubt use that as an incentive to the players.

We are really hoping that Cheick Tiote is fit to start tomorrow, and we have a sneaking suspicion that the Ivorian  for Danny Guthrie,  may be the only change from last week’s starting eleven.

Pardew may also prefer 22 year-old Gabriel Obertan on the right wing to young local lad and new England U21 International Sammy Ameobi, who is still only 19.

Gabriel will be returning to his former club, and of course will be motivated to do well,  but whoever starts, we expect the other player to be brought on from the bench, sometime in the second half.

Three players, Tiote, Obertan and Best should be back and available for selection tomorrow, and that’s got to be good news for Newcastle.

Comments welcome.



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60 comments so far

  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    Comment #1

    Bonjour messieurs.

    Another great game. This time, we must get out of it with something.

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  • Ollieh51

    Nov 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #2

    I’m hoping for a draw in this one, really think that we’re capable of holding them to a draw or getting a goal back with our resilience and team spirit.

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  • roshan MAGPIE

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #3

    LAWRO predicts us to loose as usual

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  • 2 AMEOBI'S

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #4

    Even if we lose our next two games we are still in a brilliant position. Bit of a cliche this but its the performance not the points that matters from these games, take confidence into norwich, swansea, WVBA and bolton.

    Having said that i think we can match Man U and like pardew says a bit of luck could decide it.

    Same team as vs City except ober for sammy and tiote for guthrie if fit.

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  • 2 AMEOBI'S

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #5

    WBA**

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  • joppadoni

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #6

    @2 ameobis tbh its that sort of thinking that keeps the bottom 3 going all season 😀

    stuff the performance results matter. man u have skidded through games recently winning 1- 0 so often its rediculous.

    i want points not performances! lol

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  • toonincheek

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #7

    Sammy did so well against ManC, certainly improved his status and didn’t let anyone down
    But
    all things considered (like Obertan’s greater experience and perhaps even greater incentive to prove a point against his last club) I think I would start Obertan.
    But
    be ready to bring Sammy on for 30 mins unless there is good reason not to.

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #8

    My team:

    ———————Flying Dutchman———————-
    —-Simmo——–Saylor——–Colo———Saint toon
    ————-Dreambooat——-Dreadnought————–
    Obertoon “Kenobi”—Beny Boy———Spiderman
    ———————–Der Schwarz Bomber——————

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  • Rotonda heights

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #9

    Think last week showed how vital Tiote is to us. Guthrie is good but a different kind of player. Tiote actually makes other teams fear us.

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  • Toon Tang

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #10

    weel do chelsea at home. shes not the type who likes it outdoors

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #11

    “Dreadnought” Tioté is perfect for “Dreamboat” Cabaye.

    Cabaye was maybe a bit tiredf last week, but the way he’s playing lower alongside Guthrie prevent him to show his offensive skills.

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  • 2 AMEOBI'S

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:19 AM

    Comment #12

    joppa

    I’m with you mate a 1-0 win would do me just fine, performance is important for me though i was dissapointed we lost to man city but held my head high knowing we gave it a go and fought to the end.

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #13

    If Joppa is in the area, i’m sorry to say this, but after considered it all the week, i think Pard should change raylor.

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  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #14

    My nick name for tiote – ” the bone collector”

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  • Ollieh51

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #15

    @ niafron – The thing is, Raylor has been ‘known’ to be our week link and teams have tried to get at him all season but he’s coped.

    He’s made a few mistake but has largely gotten away with them.

    Then again, he made 2 clear errors that cost goals on Saturday so it looks a lot worse than it really is.

    SanToon didn’t play a full 90 this week for the reserves so I think he’s going to get some game time this weekend. Just not sure if he’ll be subbed on or start.

    It’d be harsh to bench Raylor although United have a lot of pace to get at him with too.

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  • roshan MAGPIE

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #16

    ROONEY FIT FOR NUFC GAME bad news for us

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  • fgb224lbs

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #17

    dreamboat dreadnaught and the black bomber. priceless.

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  • GeordieToon89

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #18

    starting to think Santon will start tomorrow but for simpson and not Raylor, might just show how easy he can lose his place if he doesnt hurry and commit

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  • NotAGhostToon

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #19

    http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Mark_Lawrensons_Predictions_2011-12.html

    Has anyone seen this, its basically the table based on lawro’s predictions so far next to the actual table. He really DOES hate us.

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #20

    @Indian magpie.

    A good movie.

    @Ollieh 51

    Well, i think Santon should play, but according to the way the team was managed until now, i think Pard will give another chance to Raylor.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #21

    Despite the feelgood factor, we are still being told bollocks about injuries. Tiote definitely out again tomorrow – when will they tell us the truth? Marveaux been written off for at least 4 months, in reality the rest of the season, despite the useless localpress in the form of Ryder tweeting thet he would be out for 2/3 months. Is it Pardew or the medics who haven’t a clue?

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  • TS -77

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #22

    Cant belive that we are in status of talking about going to the mighty Man United and taking points! Never seen such a feel good factor as a Newcastle supporter since the 95/96 season.

    What a great feeling.

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  • Ollieh51

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #23

    @ niafron – The thing is, I feel bad for Raylor for getting dropped because of last week and he has been exposed before and we’ve expected the next team we’ve played to then get at him but he’s picked himself back up quickly.

    He’s not in his natural position and again, he has the deadball threat too and his crossing is very useful.

    But then SanToon was amazing when he played against Ronaldo on his debut for Inter which speaks volumes!

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #24

    Well for Marveaux, this not about months i fear…. THis is his carreer who’s under threat now.

    Why do you believe Tioté will not play tomorow?

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  • jimmymagpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #25

    Read your Journal – Pardew has told them that both Best and Tiote are out.

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #26

    @Ollieh

    An Inter fan once told to stay carrefull about Santon. Anyway, about Raylor, yes it’s crual for him, but well, this is professional football, not a countryside championship.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #27

    I was at the training groung with my nephew for a meeting and managed to get about 20mins of the reserve game the other day, and can assure you that Santon was crap. way off the pace. He was even dropped by Italy U21s, and the Italian press warned at the time he signed that he had been crap for over a year. I think we panicked when the Pieters deal fell through, and we knew we weren’t going to get a striker either.

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #28

    @Jimmy

    Well, it’s hard to buy the Newcastle chronicle in the Paris area!

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  • danishmag

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #29

    january 2008.. we lost 6-0.
    I just watched the game..
    Only S.Taylor is left from that game..
    Our team is very much better than then!
    Man U has many players left from that game..
    Only.. Ronaldo and Tevez are not..
    Ronaldo got 3 goals in that game and Tevez 1!
    Tell me now.. Who other than Rooney can score against our superb defensive line?
    Their team is much weaker than is has been for many years.. Just take a look at the ch. league!
    Everybody says that they are big favorites, but take a look at the starting line up.. Our starting 11 are at their level IMO!
    Just because they are Man Utd, it does not mean that they are always worldclass!
    They cannot score against us, and we will score a couple.. 2-0 tomorrow for the toon…

    hwtl

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  • GeordieToon89

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #30

    Santon played well at the reserve game according to the report it said him and ben sayer wer the only positives to come out of the game.. also he’s only 20 he needs time to settle into this country ano hes away from all his family now and obv that has an effect at his tender age.. he will get better but he needs time.. Jose and Colo wer both abissmal in ther first season

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  • Ollieh51

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #31

    @ niafron – What did they say about SanToon?

    He’s looked decent when he’s come on, has played well for the reserves and still features for the U21 team as captain?

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  • GeordieToon89

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #32

    danishmag – Nani could easily score as he doesnt score tap in he scores screamers.. Hernandez could because he gets into so many positions and is difficult to mark..Ashley Young because he’s class but hes a tw*t..

    2-0 at Old Trafford but optimistic lol Man Utd have been poor defensively this season but attacking wise have been pretty damn good.. seem to remember them beating Arsenal 8-2 and Arsenal didnt even play that bad ther had about 20 shots on goal

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  • jimmymagpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #33

    Niafron – sorry mate, didn’t realise, but it is repeated on this site under one of the Journal tags. Olileh – Santon was an unused sub in both of the last 2 Under 21 games last week. GeordieToon – agreed, he will need time, I was only trying to sat that he doesn’t look ready at the moment, and it would appear that Pardew agrees, as I’m sure he would love to play him considering the money he cost. Remember Allardyce didn’t play Enrique for months.

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  • GeordieToon89

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #34

    seriously sick of some people on here.. coming on a writing off a young player just because he maybe had a poor game for the reserves even though the rest of the team was awful and their got hammered.. just fu*cking get a grip and get it in your heads he’s only young and needs time ffs.!

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  • GeordieToon89

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #35

    jimmymagpie – agreed mate a dont think he is ready a think he’s guna need a good 6 month but he needs to atleast be getting minutes on the pitch wher possible or he’l never get accustomed to the league.. a says play Santon on sat due to the fact a think Raylor will get tortured for pace and Santon will atleast give us pace and might even flourish and would also give Jonas abit more freedom to attack while also not forgetting tp help Santon

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #36

    Well, this Inter fan told me Santon never fully recover of his Knee injury both physically and psychologically.

    He told me a sad story. During a game, after he come back, the coach was forced to replace him at half time cause Santon, suffering some heavy pain, was simply unable to play decently.

    The poor lad leaved the fiel crying.

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  • danishmag

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #37

    Geordie…
    Our defensive line is way better than Arsenal.
    Our strike force is not however.. That V.Persie is their only worldclass weapon..
    Man Utd is a team we can beat at the moment, bringing the way we played City, it is possible.
    A bit of luck, and could have drawn at City, and City is a far better side than United at the moment.
    One point tomorrow and i am ok, á loss is disapointing IMO.

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  • AMEOBI

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #38

    Tevez in talks with AC Milan, wonder how long he’ll last

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  • niafron

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #39

    I got a theory about Santon and Raylor.

    Fact is, the only time Santon was brought in, it was for Simmo.

    So i think Pard do not consider him a LB. He probably plan to come along with raylor until the window’s opening.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Nov 25, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #40

    GeordieToon – Sorry mate, I think Santon would struggle at the moment. Pace isn’t everything at the back, positioning and communication with the other 3 is more important. After all, which of the others is blessed with great pace? Don’t get touchy – I wasn’t writing him off, just pointing out that he isn’t ready yet. The Press in Italy warned that he had lost his way, and Inter don’t sell many great players for £5m. It would be tough on Raylor if he lost his place after only one bad game.At he beginning of this season the majority of fans I sit next to wanted either Santon or Raylor in place of Simpson, but tat opinion is gradually changing, because Simpson has played much better since th e situation with his child thankfully improved.

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