Ben Arfa Will Still Make It Big At Newcastle


A number of our readers were not too happy that 24 year-old Frenchman  Hatem  Ben Arfa did not get a run-out on Saturday.

Ben Arfa – can still make it big at Newcastle

And Alan Pardew seemed to pick up on that fact that  Newcastle fans were a little mystified about why the skillful and creative player was not allowed a chance against Swansea to open up their defense.

That’s when Newcastle were finding it very difficult to get that one goal that would have given the Magpies  a very welcome 3 points,  against a middle of the table side.

Alan addressed the concerns  of not playing  Ben Arfa a little bit yesterday, and he talked again today to the local  press about the matter:

“Sometimes you’ve got to fuel your players, and the disappointment he had about not getting on might fuel him for Wednesday night.”

“When you get a 0-0, you always think of something else.”   “A couple of times I thought about bringing on Hatem.”

“But I just felt they were so deep, with so many numbers back, that I did not think he would find any space, if I asm honest.”  

“He looks for pockets, and there weren’t any.”

We still don’t fully  understand why Ben Arfa didn’t come on, because when you think of doing something different  – that’s just exactly what Hatem Ben Arfa can do – and you just don’t know what that will be in advance.

And neither does Ben Arfa – such is the definition of creativity – but maybe a 30 yard bullet like he produced at Everton last year would have been on the menu.

We feel almost certain that Ben Arfa will now play some part in the WBA game on Wednesday evening, when Newcastle badly need to secure all 3 points, and the French International could even get a start in that game.

And Ben Arfa will certainly be very motivated to show both Alan Pardew and the Newcastle fans what he can do for the Newcastle side.

We’ve seen a few articles questioning whether Ben Arfa was the force he was, and whether  Newcastle may even sell the player.

But that kind of talk is very premature,  and even unfair to the 24 year-old,  who still possesses great  ability and all he needs is a run in the first team,  to show what he can do for Newcastle, following his terrible double leg fracture of last year.

We still think Ben Arfa will  make it big at Newcastle, and maybe a goal on Wednesday will be on the cards.

Comments welcome.



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108 comments so far

  • shearerno9

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #1

    If im honest that makes sense… he is one of the only players we have that can work in those tight spaces but infairness it was so cramped and he hasnt been anywhere near the top of his game there was no point… it may have been different had he played from the start but not around the 65 min mark

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #2

    Well, to be fair, even I wanted HBA on at Swans, but i can understand why Pardew didn’t do it.
    He’s right to a degree, Swansea were super tight at the back, lying very deep. Vorm is an immense keeper, i can see why he battles it out with Krul for the 1st spot on the national team.
    Ba got through a couple of times, Shola had half a chance and Best was simply blocked off completely.
    If power couldn’t push through, then maybe a HBA on form could, but trouble is that HBA isn’t on form.
    I think he’ll start at WBA.

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  • Benton Toon Exile

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #3

    We were desperate for someone with a bit of craft to open them up like a Peter Beardsley.

    Cant understand why HBA was not on…But hey what do we know!

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  • martoon

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #4

    I think people forget about the psycho-logical effect a horrible injury can have as well as the physical. It will take time to get confidence as well as match fitness back. Although I have to admit it was baffling why he did not get at least 15 mins to try and make a difference.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #5

    I think I must be missing something. For someone who’s been out for a year I thought Ben Arfa was one of our best players against city and united. Ok an average half v chelsea, but i think it goes deeper than that. i think Pardew already has a problem with him. pardew’s explanation for not bringing him on completely contradicts everything. We had tried power all match with firstly best, then Shola and we desperately needed a bit of sublety and cleverness. The subs against swansea were as bizarre as the team selection and subs for Norwich.

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  • toonincheek

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #6

    Not saying AP was right – who knows? Can’t say I’m convinced, but it’s good that he has explained his thinking.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #7

    HBA on instead of Cabaye for Wed that would be the only change I would make

    Willo for Perch if his fitness is up to it and he is sharp enough

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #8

    @WWJBD
    If i would guess, or put my mark on it, i’d have Vuckic on for Cabaye, he’s got vision, he’s unselfish and he’s got a great pass, shot and cross. I’d put HBA behind a lone striker.
    Tiote does his job defending and we’d be very offensive through the middle.
    HBA in the middle is a gamble imo, i think he’d try the long runs too often.

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  • shearerno9

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #9

    Wouldnt be surprised to see willo on for perch, with perch moving into midfield in place of cabaye and ben arfa on instead of best

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #10

    Dannyo
    It is a gamble ur right mate but I dont think Vuckic can last a full match without being shown up and I think HBA could do better when sitting deeper and having Tiote in his ear

    I wouldnt want to drop Best or Ba for HBA as I still think they are a great little partnership Best wins everything in the air. Plus I think our defence is still settling so putting West Brom on the back foot will ease the pressure on them so 2 up front imo

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #11

    Not sure i agree with that, if swansea dropped so much that would surely give HBA more room and space, he is the type of player who creates and finds space for himself, maybe im wrong, i like Pards but was told he has no plan b and people have started saying that here.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #12

    Actually I think Pards will be tempted to stick with Perch for his pace in order to deal with Long and Odemwingie. Colo isnt the fastest but Simmo, Santon and Perch can all hit high gear pretty quickly

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #13

    WWJBD
    In any case, i think we can safely say that HBA will start that match. Wether it’s in the middle or behind Ba we’ll see.
    If we have a 5 man midfield, i think we’d be able to control the game easier, or with 2 up front like u say.
    Imo, 5 in the middle gives possible control of the game and 2 up front gives the defense added pressure.
    I just don’t trust our wingers to add ammo, thats why i want an offensive midfield/ACM.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #14

    alex84
    People are saying that about Pards because we havent won in awhile if we win the next couple of games he is back to being the best manager since KK/SBR

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  • GeordieGerman

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #15

    shearerno9, I can’t see us having 2 midfield defensive players.

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  • joppadoni

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #16

    Perch had a good game on saturday. id have him in over williamson despite being a short arse.

    for me Pardews reasoning doesnt make sense., yes they had a very deep line of defence but that meant there was space in midfield for him to pick the ball up and run at the defence. i think sammy needs a rest as he brings nothing to the game when he comes on atm. i think hba and mehdi should have been on at 60 minutes at the weekend and i know he got it wrong..

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #17

    @alex84
    Look at the way we defend against pressure, Swansea did pretty much the same, and we withstood onslaughts from QPR, Man Utd and Wolves like that.
    Neither which found the loophole to win it or get the draw.

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  • mattnufc

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #18

    Sammy Ameobi must have been brought on with the intention of having some sort of impact, so why not Ben Arfa :S

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #19

    Dannyo
    Aye both options have their pros and cons it more depends on how we see West Brom and their strenghts. Normally am quite a fan of the 4-5-1 formation and all its different ways of being drawn up but I am just not confident on HBA being able to be our star number 10 atm specially with Cabaye out
    Vuckic looked good but not sure if he is ready for the PL plus he is a CAM/withdrawn striker from what I have seen of him BUT we will soon see come Wednesday 😉

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  • shearerno9

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #20

    GG

    Really? If ben arfa is to play in the middle with tiote its eventually going to leave a massive gap at some stage and possibly a prolonged problem. I think it will be a 4-2-3-1 type formation

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  • boater

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #21

    Seems like most on here appreciate Pardew’s thinking on this one… apart from Rotonda heights. Since when is Shola a ‘power player’ anyway? Better with the ball at his feet than Best.

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:02 PM

    Comment #22

    @WWJBD
    I think the problem, atleast for me, is that i really am never quite sure how WBA playes, possibly cause i haven’t watched them too much. But i can’t really find a defining form or tactic on them, so i find it difficult to say outright. “This’ll be a so and so game”.
    If we play like we did at Swans, which was hard work from the entire team really, no mistakes and good control of the game, we should deffo get them. Cause we played really well i thought.
    Vuckic is a CAM yes, but i think he’d be able to adapt to the middle, but i expect him to go forward quite a bit.

    Would like to see more of Abeid, Vucick and HBA anyway. All seem to be top, top notch. Vuckic and HBA are my current favorites for more playtime.

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #23

    @boater
    Lol, Shola looked like a top notch technical player against Swans at times, lol. Was quite a few unexpected dribbles and turns there, loved that 🙂

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  • OoAhDembaBa

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #24

    Why not play him on the wing? Ben Arfa that is

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  • joppadoni

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #25

    shola seems to play better when he isnt guarenteed to play… which is a bloody waste of the last 11 years sadly. he did look good

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  • joppadoni

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #26

    i think shola should start on weds with Ba, we should have started that way at the weekend with hindsight, i like besty but he isnt great in the air. i think shola being up from with ba would have been more fruitful based on swanseas defensive stance. our best chance of a goal was going to come from a cros or a deadball play.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #27

    Dannyo
    Do u not think HBA can adapt to playing in the middle?

    As for West Brom they are a hard team to pin down to a single tactic they have many out lets they can use imo and with Roy he will set them up very well against us seem to be more counter attack this season though with Long’s terrier like style (still mildly bitter we didnt get him in summer wont lie)

    Should be a good match though as I quite like West Brom

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  • markmac

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #28

    id like to see him play behind ba in some ‘away’ games
    although i realise cabaye is suspended for WBA unfortunatly, BUT say with a side something like this

    ———————–krul———————-
    simmo——colo———willy—–santon
    obertan—-cabaye——tiote—–jonas
    ———————ben arfa—————-
    ———————-ba———————-

    on paper thats surely one of our strongest 11’s maybe best is close to being in there,

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  • markmac

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #29

    p.s i guess behind leon best, in jan whiles ba is away

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #30

    @lee_ryder Lee Ryder
    #nufc Pardew says he will “sleep” on whether to start with Abeid or Vuckic against #wba

    Looks like its a Tiote and Abied/Vuckic partnership then I cant see HBA starting now tbh his involvement will depend on the flow of the game imo

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  • nimo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #31

    Haha just seen video of that douglas.. really hope.we get him that was legendary

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #32

    It’s funny how no one is slating Perch anymore. Had a good game, but no one acknowledges that.

    All moved on to Obertan now I see? He plays like a £3m winger – what does everyone expect?

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #33

    TDS
    Well they have to moan about someone!

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  • shearerno9

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #34

    TDS

    Agreed but if I was a coach id have him and jonas putting balls into one specific area of the box for hours on the training ground…. like one of those golf nets for chipping – at worst it has to marginally improve their distribution from the wings/end product.

    While saying that, id be in bests ear about not going to the near post aswell and hanging back a tiny bit on his runs

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  • Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #35

    I dunno maybe it’s in my nature to like an underdog but I am sticking behind Obertan, we shouldn’t be booing or jeering him, the poor guy thinks he is rubbish when he has the potential to be really good, and there are other players who think they are awesome when really they are nothing but car wrecking overpaid hyper-inflated egotistical morons (Bendtner) so let’s give Obertan the much needed encouragement and we will see him come out of his shell, he looked very tidy on a number of occasions…I think he is close to doing something really special.

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  • joppadoni

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #36

    @TDS – i said he played well.. i might have stated a bit more suprise like haha. ive never slated perch myself but theres plenty on here who like a good moan haha :S

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  • IPToon

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #37

    I would like to see Ben Arfa starting against WBA. Our two big men up front policy may not work against WBA who have Olsson who is about 6’5 and McCauley who is about 6’4 at centre back so something different is needed. Both are slow, even Shorey at left back is slow so lets get Ben Arfa in to add some trickery, and prevent us playing long ball!

    In terms of defence, i think Williamson will start over Perch just so he can mark Olsson or McCauley at set peices. Both Odemwinger and Long are short so Perch would be alright against them but obviously not at set peices against their CB’s.

    Krul
    Simpson – Williamson – Coloccini – Santon
    Obertan – Tiote – Abeid – Gutierrez
    Ben Arfa – Ba

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #38

    HBA wont start on wednesday it will be BA and Best.

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  • wynsleap

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #39

    matnufc@ 18 – that’s a good point.
    Unfortunately I don’t think Sammy has the ability of Ben Arfa (well certainly not at the moment) so Benny should have been brought on as the ramming tactics up front were’nt working.
    If Pardew doesn’t start giving Ben Arfa some regular
    game time soon he’s going to start kicking up and quite frankly I wouldn’t blame him.

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  • pardew no 1

    Dec 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #40

    perch is the chuck norris of football and i like obertan i think he played well

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