Gutierrez Far From Happy With Just A Point Against Swansea


Jonas Gutierrez was not pleased on Saturday that Newcastle failed to garner all 3 points against Swansea City.

Jonas Gutierrez – in action on Saturday

It was important to put in a good performance on Saturday after the very poor performance at Norwich, and Newcastle did that.

And it has to be said the lads had no luck on Saturday, otherwise they would have been at least a couple of goals up in that first half, when Newcastle dominated the game and dominated possession.

Jonas wanted nothing but a win, and he wasn’t happy with the draw after the game:

“I want to win, I wanted the three points. You saw what happened today, we got a point but I’m angry it wasn’t three,”  “It’s not a good point. I think we did enough to deserve more than a draw, but that’s football.”

“Their keeper made some good saves, but we had the chances to win it. It’s not a good point for us at all. It was different in the second half, we didn’t have the same amount of chances, but we had control of the ball.”

“And we had the possession so we should have made that count.”  “It was a big game for us, and in these games we need the three points.”

 “It was good to have Cheick and Fabricio back. They are important players and we needed them back in the side.”  “For the last two months we’ve been playing without a complete squad.”

“It is hard for the manager going into Christmas where we have a lot of games.”  “It is good to have those players back, we’ll be back in full training and we’ll get stronger.”  “It’s important we have a full squad, it builds confidence.”

“When you don’t have a full squad, like last week at Norwich where we had two central defenders out of position, it’s hard for the players there and it’s hard for the team.”

“Now we’ve got to focus on working hard and waiting for the other players to come back from injury because in January it is going to be very hard.”

 “December and January are really important times for the team.”  “What we’ve done before now is important, but we’ve got to think about the future. We have to think about what we are doing now.”

Good words from Jonas and he’s right that we have to push on from where we are at the moment.

The lads did very well to come back from what was a poor performance at Norwich City, and probably the worst performance of the season for a Newcastle side, although we were without Coloccini, Steven Taylor and Cheick Tiote at Carrow Road.

Wins breed confidence, and that’s what Newcastle now need on Wednesday evening against WBA, although Yohan Cabaye will be missing from the side, after picking up his 5th yellow of the season on Saturday.

A win against a mediocre WBA side,  will set us up nicely for the two away games that follow against Bolton and Liverpool, and then we are at home in early January to Manchester United, and anything can happen in a game like that.

But we’d love to have around 33 points by the end of the year, and that means two wins from the remaining three games we have  this year.

Last year we had 22 points from the 19 games at the end of last year, so that will be a 50% improvement in points compared to last season.

That cannot be bad, and although it will not be easy, the lads can do it.

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64 comments so far

  • roshan MAGPIE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #1

    HOPE we win

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #2

    Thank u for realising that Gutti, but your performance wasn’t the best we’ve seen either, sadly. I think Gutti has hit a little hickup in his form, controbuted very little as of late, some good defensive work, but thats about it.
    Need a win at WBA.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #3

    Guti is right we did enough to win we played well and we dominated a team who normally dominate the ball

    Vorm maybe some good saves and they came to defend which they did well. They had no shots on target and offered nothing to test us at all

    We didnt win move on to West Brom who will bring more in attack than Swansea and open up more at the back

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  • Indian Magpie

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:02 AM

    Comment #4

    guti does his defensive duties well because may be he knows in attack he is not the best

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  • taker83

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #5

    If no Maiga, then I think the board and Pardew will go for Shefki Kuqi again.

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #6

    Jonas is world class. If I had 11 Jonas in the team, I’d take it! (Still, we’d only score 5-6 wonder goals a year and concede a lot from his goalkeeping :). Most opposition fans I talk to mention him, as did Messi :). Which reminds me, while in France HBA was touted as the French Messi. Play him HBA, his confidence must also be shaken after that horrible injury.

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  • tunneytoon

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #7

    HBA is to ball greedy and gives the ball away fat too often that’s why he hasn’t been playing, also for people saying why did ameobi play instead against Norwich it was clearly to defend corners and add an aerial threat upfront. he just needs to realise when to pass instead of taking on an extra three men, however when he is fully fit and becomes accustomed to the premier league he will be a top player

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #8

    Sorry: ‘Play him, AP’

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #9

    ‘Ball greedy’ is good. That’s what Cabaye wants too, see previous article. The thing is, he wants to do too much in order to impress. Give him a run of games and you’ll soon idolise him

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #10

    Cabaye isnt ball greedy he looks for the pass and only holds on to the ball in order to allow players to move.

    HBA holds on to the ball in order to try and look like the star player. If he got that out of his game and played like NUFC play then he would be getting into the team more often

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #11

    OK. I meant, he wants to get the ball and that’s much better than shying away and hiding. Usually, talented players are ball greedy in my experience. Players like Iniesta, Messi, Fabregas, Villa, keep ‘asking’ for the ball because they know they can do things with it. Seriously, if HBA can come good he’ll take us to the next level, whereas the new Shola, Ober, Shola, cannot do that, though I would hope so. Conclusion: give this ball greedy player star status and he’ll take the chance by the balls 🙂

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  • Dannyo

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #12

    Wwjbd
    Agree there, HBA would be our Silva if he was bussier looking for the pass rather than take 2-3 players on every time.
    Also he’s and ACM, he’d get plenty of goals anyway.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #13

    booing of obertan is not good at all. never boo our players on the pitch. do it in a blog. getting boo-ed infront of 52000 is no joke.

    but i agree. obertan has been 1 of our worst signings. he has plenty of pace, but offers absolutely nothing. its just frustrating when he has the skills and pace to be a world class winger.

    here’s hoping for new and improved obertan in the 2nd half of the season. he has the ability to be unplayable and 1 of the top wingers on the planet. he just needs the brains.

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM

    Comment #14

    And to get brains is not that hard in all honesty…I look at y countryman Olic he was utter shite , he is superb now but a late bloomer 28-31 hope thats not the case with Obertan, as he will be i another team by then….

    on the HBA thing….to be honest it seems lots of you cant reallz read football as one individual has stated… HBA is NOT greedy…. infact he is LESS greedy than what little I saw him last time round he setup a few players but they just cocked up and I agree with one lad here that said they are just not on the lads wavelegnth yet and the only way to impove that is to let HIM PLAY….

    Here is a little comparison ..Obertan NOBODY on the field understands yet he plays all the time Yet HBA who the little he has played has impressed I dont care what anybody has said yet he is on the bench,,,,, makes no sense..

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #15

    Hba has been out for a long time, he played 3 times last season, and has started 3 times this season, he has needed to adapt to the pace of this league get his confidence back after being kicked lumps out of and now he has been put down the pecking order coz he had one bad half against chelsea…im sorry i think thats harsh, he needs time on the pitch, he may have a bad game but he can still do something out of nothing…which is what we needed on sat.

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #16

    Considering how many “bad” games Obertan had he should not play for months…. if we used that analogy totally agre with you alex…

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM

    Comment #17

    “something out of nothing…which is what we needed on sat.”

    Sorry to reply again, and that is EXACTLY what I said on match day…that little drible past to open the defense yes he may loose the ball or whatever…..

    Here is another thing people VERY quickly forget how we got a point at Manure…

    HBA

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #18

    Man City how many chances did we create?alot…and that was down to HBA, Man u…it was his run that got us the pen, it seems Pards likes his two big front men to be target men, like he said at the chelsea game he put ameobi on to pump more balls forward to pressure there defence, which for me is not a great tactic to play every week.

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  • martoon

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #19

    I thought Jonas had one of his better games for a while – unlucky not to score with the ripper he had. Probably because he did not have to worry about defensive duties so much!

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #20

    it becomes predictable…like the 2nd half on sat.

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  • nufc mad man

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #21

    all of you who believe obatan’s pace is good enough for him to play you are right in one sence. but would it not be better to use him as a impact sub and start with hba because to be fair to obatan although i am not his biggest fan he can run the real problem is his final ball and skill at going round players. if he is brought on as a sub he will be much faster than most defenders.
    on a differant subject i am start to get fed up with sky sports not classing newcastle as a threat to be in the top 4 but do still put liverpool as a threat despite the fact that both teams are simular in terms of performance this season

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #22

    exactly alex

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  • NUFC FOR SALE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #23

    Has Ed put the picture of Jonas on this thread so people start to think about why they are booing Obertan.

    We have a player here who has played 10 times the amount of games for Newcastle and I could count on one hand the amount of decent crosses he has put in.

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  • WWJBD

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #24

    Dannyo
    Exactly if he gets it into his head to play like we have played all season long (sum of our parts is far better than the individuals) then come Jan he will earn his spot in the starting 11 and if he doesnt well he had no one else to blame but himself as far as am concerned

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #25

    NUFC FOR SALE….

    well put….

    here is my reply to you sir do we need 2 wingers like that?

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  • NUFC FOR SALE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #26

    Obertan is a scapegoat for brain dead moron supporters.

    We’ve had these type of supporters for decades, I wish you could single them out and ship them off to the mackems because we don’t want them at Newcastle.

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  • alex84

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #27

    AP quotes from journal about HBA

    Speculation has been rife of a possible fall-out between player and management but Pardew insists it is merely a case of others being ahead in the pecking order with Ben Arfa having to be patient.

    He continued: “Hatem is hungry and ready. Hopefully he is hungry when his chance comes. As to when that will come, I don’t know.”

    Read More http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2011/12/19/alan-pardew-bemoans-nufc-s-lack-of-luck-61634-29976102/?#ixzz1gyd66rs0

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  • NUFC FOR SALE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #28

    gorgonzola, for me NO, we need wingers who are going to offer a goal threat.

    Both wingers should be contributing to goals created and scored, Cabaye also needs to become more a goal threat (ala Nolan), he played too deep yesterday and didn’t make runs into the box.

    Obertan has played 14 games for Newcastle compared to Jonas 120. I think Obertan will come good, he shows flashes of some real real quality but if our own fans start booing a player we will never see that potential. He’ll lose interest in playing for this club and will move on.

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #29

    On Obertans defense he was better saturday but then again he was playing a much weaker defense….

    I would rotate him with HBA, not sure why Pardew doesn’t play HBA like Hazard in Lille…. I am sure HBA would be more of an impact would have more space to maneuver…. Is that cause HBA refuses to play there? Thats a bit sad…

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #30

    NUFC SALE…

    Indeed I agree ..Cabaye was too deep…but then again BA had a great chance to lay the ball to him got greedy and the attack fizzled out…I cant get that chance out of my head….

    I would play HBA and Obertan one half one player one half next or something to that idea….gets them both playing….

    But to me something stinks with HBA and Pardew….could be wrong I dunno….

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #31

    Disagree with 23. We’re talking of two different class players… And Guti’s crosses have greatly improved (although that’s not his game, admittedly). Modern European teams don’t put so much weight on the long hopeful cross any more. It’s more tactical these days.

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  • NUFC FOR SALE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #32

    cyprus

    You say Jonas’s crosses have greatly improved….well yes I agree I think Jonas has become more effective lately BUT he has played 120 games for Newcastle now, Obertan has played 14.

    Why are we not giving Obertan the time we clearly have given Jonas???

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #33

    In fact I am missing Gillespie and Ginola…. 🙁

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #34

    Don’t disagree NUFC. But, we do need to find room for HBA, it’s unfair to say (not u) give Ober a chance whereas HBA had half a bad half with Chelsea (i.e. two wrong moves) and then he’s out?! What does that do to his confidence. Maybe I’m wrong, but what he showed us in the few pre-injury games reminded me of the impact Gazza, Asprilla, Ginola had!! He could be a part of the new ‘entertainers’ team. I guess I’m dreaming but this team, with some fine tuning, can compete…

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  • Lee Dodd

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #35

    I Thought Jonas and Davide Santon Worked Well on Saturday Jonas just needs a Goal to Pick Himself up a Bit. I would Play Demba Ba and HBA on Wednesday Evening. Like Beardsley and Ferdinand !!!!!! Vuckic in the Middle with Tiote !!!!

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  • chanty

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #36

    Just been reading an article on Rory Donnelly, worth a look at? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16237980.stm

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  • NUFC FOR SALE

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #37

    cyprus

    I think HBA is a good footballer…no doubt about it BUT as it stands I don’t see how he fits into Newcastles current style of football?

    If we were playing the type of football Keegan has us playing, all players inter changing on the pitch being able to swap positions etc then HBA would be right at home.

    Unfortunately we do not have the type of players or squad to play that football at present.

    We are most effective playing 4-4-2 and HBA does not fit into that unless you are going to drop Cabaye which is not going to happen.

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  • gorgonzola

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #38

    “We are most effective playing 4-4-2 and HBA does not fit into that unless you are going to drop Cabaye which is not going to happen.”

    In all honesty for a few games WHY NOT….?

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  • cyprus

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    Comment #39

    I mean, let’s see: Ba seems to be the very real thing. In back, Colo is better than Albert, our goalie is better than the two in the entertainers era… Guti can hold on to the ball and dribble as well as Ginola, he would easily fit in that team (if only he could score-cross as well). Cabaye – Tiote are better than, say, Batty, Lee. HBA could be at Beardsley’s level. Hope I haven’t committed sacrilege here 🙂 . So, 3-4 world class signings and we are there! Still think we need a Latin American-style small forward in the mold of Suarez, Tevez. There’s surely lots over there (!), ask the Argentinians for a tip-off

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  • LGFUAD21

    Dec 19, 2011 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #40

    HBA is in a classic Catch 22 situation. He is being left out of the squad because he is yet to develop and link up with the team. However he can only do so if he is played.

    I hope he gets a good run out in Cabayes place this weekend. He has only really had one proper chance to prove himself this season and we cant judge a player solely on that.

    The problem with our squad is that our midfield is too defensively minded which practically leaves Ba to score all the goals, hence lack of them on the whole.

    When Santon properly comes into the squad at LB this will enable Guitierez to play a more attacking role (as wingers should do). On top of that Santon is good on the attack as well.

    If we strengthen the defense we could play a more attacking football with more results like this

    Simmo(?) Williamson(?) Colo Santon
    Tiote Cabaye
    Obertan HBA Jonas
    Ba

    Basically push the wingers up field more.

    I think if Pards wont play HBA in his place he should definitely play him on the wing as we are lacking the attacking ability there that top teams have. We have seen how at times when Jonas cuts in it can be dangerous. Ben Arfa is equally adept at doing so as well as having a better end product when he gets chalk on his boots.

    For a forward I think we should definitely go out for Podolski. I think his style will complement Ba’s hugely and he can get goals in.

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