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Andy Carroll Rumors Are Simply Nonsense

10:09 am, Thursday, January 12th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 65 Comments

The stories this week that Newcastle may have a cut price deal to get Andy Carroll back to Newcastle are simply made-up nonsense.

Andy Carroll – when he singed for Liverpool just less than a year ago

The news is that Liverpool were offering Carroll back to Newcastle for £20M, and then the story was Newcastle would take him back for £10M.

But one simple question – why on earth would Liverpool sell And back to Newcastle now and lose at least £15M on him?

It would say that Liverpool knew they had made a big mistake, and then Dalglish would be in bit trouble with the American owners, and rightly so for wasting their money.

But as Kenny Dalglish again said after last night’s Reds 1-0 win at the Etihad Stadium against Manchester City in the semi-final first leg of the Carling Cup,  there is simply no foundation for the stories, and he ‘s right.

This is what Kenny said after the game last night, when he was asked if the rumors could unsettle big Andy:

“I am worried about the people that invent them,” “You have absolutely no foundation whatsoever for the stories.

“I don’t need to justify what is in the paper. I have stood up – and always will stand up – for the players.”

“You justify your profession and you justify the story.”

Andy had a couple of chances last night but couldn’t get a goal, although Liverpool with Steven Gerrard back in the starting eleven look a much better side, as they did at Anfield when Steven came on and changed the game against the Magpies in Liverpool’s favor.

We must say that Carroll looks a little lost in the Liverpool side, and he’s shown very little of the form that made him a top player at Newcastle, and he has only four goals in 22 appearances this season.

The £35M striker is having trouble justifying that price tag, but in the future if Liverpool want to cut him loose, we think Newcastle could be in for the player.

But Newcastle (make that Mike Ashley) would pay no more than £10M for him, and of course that would have to happen within the next year or so, and we just don’t see that happening.

For the record, Andy has appeared 31 times for Liverpool and scored 6 goals, and while at Newcastle he made 79 appearance with 32 goals.

Comments welcome.



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65 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ponderous Pardew // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Like 99% of rumours….

  • 2 Les Grossman // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    NEVERRRRRRRRRRR

  • 3 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    I don’t want Ravel Morrison. I’m sick of having united rejects that are truly horrible. if Ferguson lets them go especially to us, it seems like he gets it 100% correct.

    Obertan – 1 of the worst right wingers i’ve seen play for Newcastle.
    Simpson – only half decent. not the worst nor is he good.
    Nicky Butt – good 1 season. after that hopeless.
    Alan Smith – Lesser said the better about him.

    please no more manchester united players thank you.

  • 4 Dannyo // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Thank you Ed, now lets put it to death.

    @Floridatoon
    Ah yes, a list of potential targets, then it sounds a bit better. Yes, we were linked with him earlier last year to come in in the January window. Obviously didn’t happen, and it’s unlikely to. We have Harper and Elliott as backups, Elliott may not be rated very highly, but we have seen very little of him tbh. Otherwise, we highly rated youngsters in the team, i can’t see how an additional GK fits in. Also, the move for the Milan LB has been dismissed by Pardew himself.

  • 5 bambams // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    SSN has just announced we have opened talks with Palace for Zaha

  • 6 FloridaToon // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    @ dannyo

    Still don’t understand the Elliot deal. I know Taiwo is out but there were a couple of other names I hadn’t seen/heard before.

    Lets just hope we get a CB and Erdinc and don’t lose anyone.

    Just thought I would point out that we already have 9 wins this season, only 2 less than all of last year. Also think that we will finish between 6th and 8th. I think stoke is the only team that can challenge us for 7th at this point.

  • 7 Indian Magpie // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    I Love Toon

    I dont think Morrisson is a Reject

  • 8 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    @Indian Magpie // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    If Ferguson couldn’t be bothered tying him down with a new contract, means he’s not going to make it. The transfers between us and Manchester has only benefitted them. not us. Andy Cole.

    Bottomline, i do not want Morrison. rather Zaha.

  • 9 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    ilovetoon8788 // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:16 AM

    Amen

    i look at man us squad and right now only nani and rooney are players id take from them,

    the rest are ok, but not great like they have been in previous years,

    but saying that, right now the only 2 teams i can see with good players and squads are spurs and man city, chelsea and liverpool arnt as good as they were, and imo not that far in front of us right now,

  • 10 Indian Magpie // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    i love toon
    MAN U have tried everything to tie him down. you dont want him is a different matter but he is not a reject, it may eventually not benefit NUFC but not a reject

  • 11 Indian Magpie // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    catchy in norway

    not jones or ashley young

  • 12 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    not so much jones, but yeh i forgaot about ashley young :(, imagine with there 2 wingers we would be right up there with man c right now,

  • 13 sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    catchy – Jones, Young, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Hernandez?

    scratching my head at that one.

  • 14 lewytoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    whats this about zaha??

  • 15 stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    for a start i wouldnt believe a word that came out of that racist mouth of his ( dalglish ) i think it could be on. Ashley would have him back in a shot . Considering he got 35m for him last year , to get him back for less than half of that would be a fantastic bit of business for our owner. I think carroll would start to perform again for us, therefore giving ashley an opportunity to sell him again at a profit. He is still young , a local lad who was not ready to leave his hometown club , at a time when IMO , he was sneakily framed , and forced into a corner to leave by our devious owner.I hope he returns, but not at the expense of ba.I think they could compliment each other very well, and have a strike force that would deff, scare the pants out of most defenders.I dont think it will happen , as ash cant see the importance of buying a striker when we already have one

  • 16 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:53

    jones, will prob be good, but right now not better than than taylor or colo

    vidic, i like him but is injured alot

    evra, nevr been a fan of his, i think there is much better in the prem,

    valencia, yeh he is better than obertan but, again i feel there is much better out there

    hernandez, i just dont like him, every game iv seen with him in it , he spends a lot of time offside,

    i reckon in a team in the bottom half every one of those would stuggle, maybe not vidic, but the others are playing for man u and man u win a lot of games cos lots of teams either play to draw or to keep the score down, there is a fear factor about them,

  • 17 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    i would love him back to, i agree with what you say about how he left,
    esp when lame ass has came out and said it, he wouldnt take 30 mil and slamed the phone down, then they got an offer for 35, and he had to take it, his words,

    but we need 2 good wingers for them to play together

  • 18 sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    stuart – totally agree, within weeks of returning he would be back to his best. You can see when watching them play that he still has ability. He destroyed Willo in the air when they put that 1 decent cross in against us (and Willo is good in the air). And he was unlucky not to score. Also, when we were so effective against Man U, Shola was a handful and Ba just read everything. He would be able to read Andy like a book, and he would know that he wins every header.

    Replace Obertan with Hoilett, play HBA on the left flank and add a young CB. Cracking squad. Pity the owner would never spend that type of cash, but we are only 3 players away from being a top 4 side. Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal are all there for the taking for an ambitious team.

  • 19 sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Personally i think Evra is one of the best LB’s anywhere. He has been a cracking player for them. Also, i might be wrong but Jones looks the biz in midfield, he was superb against QPR, but he isn’t ready to be a CB yet. I certainly wouldn’t have any of their keepers though lol!!!!

  • 20 archaeomag // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    How do the international players like Demba Ba feel about playing in the North East?
    where despite the loyalty of the supporters, the local hacks@chronicjournal continually make up stories to unsettle players and fans alike.

    I wish I could be paid to make stuff up – in a time of high unemployment why can’t papers employ reporters to cover the news, and sack the scriveners whose mendacious duplicity has reduced our press to abject mediocrity ; the toss-pots.

  • 21 Shot Bru // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Let Dogleash suffer the consequences of making a calamatous error in paying £35 for the hugely overrated Carroll…
    I wouldn’t want him back as we are a much better team without him….and the media are showing their lack of knowledge regarding NUFC as our board would never even consider matching his wage demands.
    I have heard from various sources that he is being lined up in a swap deal with Bent….

  • 22 stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    catchy and sirtoon – agree with both of you there.Quality wingers, obertan simply not good enough for prem , that is OMO. play bennie on the wing , or in a role that peter beardsley used to play, just behind the front 2 opening up the defence to create the opps, wow .

  • 23 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    nah there keepers are wank lol,

    i think we had the best lb in the prem, and he got pissed at the owners,

    like i say about jones, he is young and still learning,

    i think if man u had vucick he would be playing in there midfield right now and showing how good he can be, i also think guthrie is a good mf to, jones is no better than them,
    it just so happens we have possibly the second best pairing in them prem right now cabaye and tiote,

    and for those nocking carroll, if he was still here you would be saying he is one of the best in the prem, like we where when he was playing for us,

    accept he got shafted, and his form has dipped, could it be that they play there game to suit suarez???

  • 24 SuperShearer // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Archaeomag being a journalist is about getting people to read the publication you work for. Unfortunately that means a lot of hacks make stuff up because they know it will get read, their employers are happy because they’re selling the papers/getting the hits that drive up the advertising costs and generate revenue for them. The only way to prevent made up crap is for the government to stamp down on laws about false facts. In other words a story must have some foundation to it. Like the Ba one does as the guy who spoke to the IBTimes used to be or might still be part of Ba’s representatives. The fact Ba rejected it might simply be because he has heard nothing so says it’s not true. It’s a sad world we live in but thems the facts.

  • 25 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:28

    :)

    right now id be more happy for HBA to play right wing, moving to th no 10 role (beardlsey role my fav player ever) when we sort out a new right winger,

    right now, the team suffers because, obertan can not keep a ball
    he is never in the right place on the right wing, always plays in mf, goes hiding to cover that he carnt cross a ball,
    2 good wingers, HBA right behind ba,

    tiote isnt bad at creating, cabaye isnt bad to, they can both tackle, both have any amount of energry,

    i really feel the team is nearly there lol

  • 26 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    sirtoongospel

    young? :D very poor..always tries to cross, but his balls in never get to man utd strikers

    valencia? seriously?:D has 1 trick..fast run to the right & crossing in.. if he wouldnt be so fast he would be horrible..even with that hes average

    jones..i like him..never stops running…is a good player for a 19 year old..

    hernandez..good finisher..almost always in offside…but hes young

    the only man utd player im really impressed with is smalling…probably the best british RB

  • 27 archaeomag // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    @ SuperShearer
    – you are right of course, – I suppose the players get used to it, but we do need better standards – all this misinformation is a waste of everybody’s time & energy – roll on a Leverson Inquiry into sports journalism!

  • 28 sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    nightfa11 –

    i think if you compare the goals and assists from Valencia and Young per game they play, would make our wingers look daft. Having said that, nearly every team in the Prem could probably say that!!

    I like Jonas for his work rate I really do, but it’s just not often enough he produces things like last Saturday.

  • 29 toonincheek // Jan 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Not suggesting the rumours are true, but if the Pool did get rid, making a big loss, at least they would save on the £4 million per year salary for the remaining 4 years of his contract.

  • 30 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    sirtoongospel

    young only played well when he played as a supporting striker..hes horrible on the wing..watch some of his matches..his balls in never find a target when he plays on the wing..

    as for valencia..hes a 1 trick pony..always..& i mean ALWAYS (100% of the time) fast run to the right & a cross in.. when he will lose his speed…he will be horrible.

    not to mention man utd payed 32 mio for them. fergie really has some poor poor buys..

  • 31 stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    catchy @24 if we can keep them , and if pards plays them right, we have possibly one of the best midfields in the country.M y fear is that we wont have 1 or 2 of this mid field at the start of next season, so it will be a case of buying new and starting again , which is no way to go on if you are trying to build a team for the future.Ash will sell.

  • 32 Indian Magpie // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Man Utd payed around 16 million for valencia

  • 33 seantoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Ilovetoon

    You obviously have never seen Morrison play have you! There’s a reason why the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and arsenal are keeping an eye on his situation. He’s a total different kettle of fish to be compared to the likes of the others you mentioned! Obertan has potential like Morrison. Were as the rest were just dead wood manure wanted rid of!

  • 34 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Indian Magpie

    16 valencia
    16 young

  • 35 seantoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Samba wants out.. We should be straight in there now!! Don’t give tottenham or qpr chance to even get a sniff

  • 36 JackButler // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Morrison is regarded as one of the best young players to come through the Man Utd system, but he see’s himself as a gangsta, much like Ranger, if Fergie can’t handle the lad he must be a hand full

  • 37 sirtoongospel // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    I think Fergie wants rid because he can’t handle him. Only 1 winner there, no matter how good the player is, he is quick to get shot. If Pards could handle him, then we could get a pure star. Incredible talent but obviously troubled.

  • 38 GeordieGerman // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Ranger and Morrison together? Doesn’t bare thinking about. The Nile & Ravel Band.

  • 39 seantoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Fergusons getting too old to handle players like that. Pardew has proved he can handle players like that eg Barton, BenArfa get the guy in he’s awesome

  • 40 JackButler // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    As much as I respect Pardew, but if Fergie can’t get Morrison in line then I don’t hold out much hope for anyone else being able to do it and lets be honest Ranger hasn’t exactly become a model citizen of late has he

  • 41 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    as for this morrison…i say f*** NO.. if hes as good as everyone here is saying, then man utd will probably want buy back clause installed in contract, so…NO.. i dont want to see a guy becoming the best in the country (potentialy) & then in 4 years time we’ll have to sell him back to man utd for 5 f****** million.

    there are others..

  • 42 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    stuart no9 // Jan 12, @31

    agreed :(

    i feel its all about the money and not the team with them, we are just a big shop window an extension to his sporting goods empire,

    i dont trust pardew or his horible bosses,

    pardew has no control over who comes and goes, i feel like they are going about player business the way they intended to with the little hitler wise, just now saving on his wage and doing it themselfs,

    im glad we have carr looking for players, without him we would be stuck, carr must have a great name out there in agent world ;)

  • 43 JackButler // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    seantoon – Handling a modern day footballer is about a hell of a lot more than getting them to play well. He couldn’t get Barton to shut his mouth and focus on his football and how many court date’s is Ranger due to make a special appearance in??? No matter how talented the lad is, if his attitude off the field causes issues within the club we should stay clear of him

  • 44 LewSpi // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Surely the way to sign him would be the old carrot and stick then? Say how he is admired and has massive future and Newcastle will offer the stage for him to prove his worth. Then tell him that you’re worried about his behaviour and make sure you put it in his contract, fined a weeks wages if he skips training or gets into trouble with the police etc, if he’s happy with that then happy days, if not then so be it.

    It’s amazing what’s achievable when you put money at stake.

  • 45 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    seantoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Fergusons getting too old to handle players like that. Pardew has proved he can handle players like that eg Barton, BenArfa get the guy in he’s awesome

    really,???

    where is barton now???

    HBA how many games has he started???

    he is told to get on with it, for me pardew couldnt handle barton, or barton would have quit twitter

  • 46 planb // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    If some of the transfer rumours im hearing are true then there could be some exciting times ahead at NUFC!

  • 47 JackButler // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    planb – are you hearing anything different to whats being reported? if so what?

  • 48 Gallowgate // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Transfer rumours gudelines RE NUFC
    How much will we have too pay the player in weekly wages to persuade him to sign?
    Over £50,000 p.w forget it it aint gonna happen
    Under £50,000 p.w its a maybe with distinct possibilities
    Under £30,000 p.w. nailed on certainty.

    If you follow this formula you will not be far wrong with who will actually sign for Newcastle United

  • 49 MacToon // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    IF we have a busy few weeks in the transfer market could it mean Ashley and co. are buying players on behalf of a new owner…..?

    Only a question.

  • 50 stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    catchy – whats the point in having a manager who dosnt speak up or is scared to voice his opinion to his bosses , in fear of the sack. Ash is a dictator , and you know what happened to gadaffi and hussain. Funny how everyone who had an opinion – barton – nolan- carroll – enrigue – all gone. buy in young lads who wont answer him back and do what they are told -or else . The man is a bully and a tyrant. his day will come . some day he will get his cum-uppence

  • 51 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    i think we all should just sit and wait for february 1st

    a few might come in, and then last day , bang, cabaye, or tiote, ba, colo , one of those could be gone, to pay for what they got in earlier

    feb 1st ppl

  • 52 GeordieGerman // Jan 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    stuart no9, take it you’ve never been in the Army? The forces are a dictatorship. In fact most firms are. The boss is the boss. Fact of life.

  • 53 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    stuart no 9

    only diff is , ashley dont control oil, so the USA wont attic him, so he is safe to torture us :) lmao

    i do hate them,

    all i want is the truth, nothing more nothing less

    none of this yes we aregona do this, then go and do the complete oppisite

  • 54 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    GG

    ppl chose to join the army ,

    20 prem teams in the league, we have the worst owners by far

  • 55 JackButler // Jan 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Catchy – Would you prefer the Venkey’s???

  • 56 martoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    Stuart we don’t really know what MA is like to work for but in any business if any employee openly challenged their employer they wouldn’t last long so why should overpaid footballers with over inflated egos be any different?
    On a lighter note all of you discussing the virtues of Phil Jones have forgotten his best attribute – he scored a cracking goal for the Toon :-)

  • 57 toonincheek // Jan 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Shutting in the atic is too good for Ashley.
    Oh, sorry – pinched JforA’s line.

  • 58 lp // Jan 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    He’d be good to have back for a number of reasons. But at the right price.

  • 59 Munster Mag // Jan 12, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    As usual, guiys on here who express negative opinions on here take a hit , even if truw. Obertan has been a serious disappointment to date, and i for one have seen little contribution, given his speed, and some nice touches. Lets hope he improves, but i have always maintained that this does look like a well scouted buy.

  • 60 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    ok, doubt anyone’s still on this thread, but here;

    what if Carroll DOESN”T start performing like all you folks who want him back steadfastly believe he will? We paid 15mil for a striker who we’re stuck with for the next ten years? Another Shola to replace shola? no thank you. As this story gathers steam whether speculative or otherwise, the sicker i get thinking where that hypothetical money for this hypothetical deal could undoubtedly be better spent. Hell, I’d take leroy lita over that crock! ok, maybe a bit hyperbolic but the simple fact is carroll’s been found out. he was never that great and it just shows. gerrard is working his a** off to provide for Carroll and the skill is just not there for him to be a top level footballer. He’ll settle fine in the championship in a few years time…

  • 61 mattyNUFC // Jan 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    i listened to the nufcfans podcast last night too and i’m in total agreeance with one of their guests……5mil max for him cause he’s not worth anymore than that. If we got offered carroll for 5mil, i’d say it MIGHT be worth the gamble

  • 62 stuart no9 // Jan 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    martoon @ 56 i believe everyone should have an opinion whether the owners like it or not , yhat opinion should be heard without punishment. by punishing people for their opinion goes back to the dark ages where freedom of speech was unheard of . Is that mr ashleys philosophy ?.

  • 63 shamsoftabriz // Jan 12, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    They better be nonsense. Carroll is tall and can clean up trash in front of the net on occasion, but he’s no more skilled than Leon Best. Liverpool are next to us in the table atm. Why hand them free money to take a problem off their hands? Makes no sense at all. Caveat Emptor Kenny!

  • 64 bigglestoon // Jan 12, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Carroll will not join us. No he will not take a wage cut. No liverpool will not accept a loss on a 23 year old english man who is out of form. Anyway i would rather sign giroud at the end of the season.

  • 65 martoon // Jan 13, 2012 at 8:58 AM

    Stuart there is a big difference between freedom of speech and calling your boss/employer incompetent. Try telling your boss he is incompetent and does not have a clue how to run his business but don’t come crying to me about freedom of speech when he sacks you!




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