Papiss Cisse Signing Will Not Help Ben Arfa At Newcastle


Alan Pardew has told French International Hatem Ben Arfa he will need to fight for his place at Newcastle United.

Ben Arfa – scoring that great goal against Blackburn

After Hatem’s mediocre showing at Blackburn last Wednesday night in the first half, he was replaced by James Perch in midfield,  and James showed some steel and helped Newcastle get to grips with the game.

And the lads eventually came away with a 2-0 win, but they were lucky, especially in that first half.

And Perch kept his place in the side and played solidly  again on Sunday, when he partnered Danny Guthrie and they both played well in the center of the park, and Danny was easily our Man of the Match.

Ben Arfa didn’t get on the field on Sunday, and it seems in close games he just gives the ball away too much, and even becomes a liability, although his mercurial skills are there for all to see.

This is what manager Alan Pardew said today about the 24 year-old, and it seems he wants the former Marseilles and Lyon player to work a lot harder when he’s playing in Newcastle’s colors:

“Hatem still hasn’t quite grasped, in my opinion, this Premier League. He’s got unbelievable talent, but he’s not used to it.”

“He’s got to fight now to get in this team.” “He could still have a massive impact on this season, but we need to see him at his best.”

“He isn’t out of the picture yet.”

With Papiss Cisse signed by the club, the top two choices up front  will be the Senegal duo, and it will be hard for Ben Arfga now to play the laid back striker role.

His best position is probably on the right wing, but Gabby Obertan showed again on Sunday he is a player who’s improving on Tyneside, and he’s willing to work his socks off for the side, as he showed on Sunday afternoon.

And Ryan Taylor also gives Newcastle an option on the right wing, and he has that great ability to cross the ball, is dangerous  from free kicks, and even has a long throw-in as well – and he defends well when he has to.

It’s surprising that Ben Arfa is finding it so hard to get into the Newcastle first team, but with the way Newcastle play the game, hard work by everybody all over the field, Ben Arfa doesn’t fit well in that mold – at least not at the moment.

Let us know what you think about this situation.

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73 comments so far

  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #1

    have any of you read the HBS piece in the chronicle??

    I worry for the lad as I really just dont see where he is going to fit in?

    Im praying for him to get the message and start putting a totla shift in for the team, because as Pardew says he has immense talent,
    9 Colo-Sus // Feb 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    But if we all take off our rose tinted glasses, and are honest,

    he gives possession away far tyoo cheaply and does this often (more than obertan)

    Now I know HBA is twice the player Obertan is but he is less than reliable.

    before I get shouted down, I want to say that I love Benny and want him to succeed more than anything, I just really hope he knuckles down and acts maturely to get back in the team.

    HWTL

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  • tomtoon7

    Feb 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #2

    shame as e is class ed

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    Comment #3

    And if he does not start putting it in then the Club is bigger than any player regardless of their name/ability…..imho

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  • ashwin say's

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #4

    would like to see the oberton
    pace is how useful against
    bale’s , and if santon can shut the
    show of ronaldo he can shut
    nyone , and dembas can give us
    attack we need against their
    cunning defence the major
    problem is central midfield
    against modric and RVV ,if we
    can cope that then win is not far
    away
    no high line pls. We r not ready 4
    it yet

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #5

    ————————————–KRUL—————————–Simo———————Colo———–Wilo—————Santon
    ———————————–Tiote———————————
    ——————Cabaye——————Guthrie——————–
    ———————————-HBA———————————–
    ———————Ba———————-Cisse———————-

    Only Way I see us getting the best out of him?

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  • geoff777

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #6

    It’s completely in Hatem’s hands.

    He needs to listen and adapt his game.
    Use his footballing brain and amazing talent and Pardew will have to play him.

    I hope he does find a place in the team.
    He’s so talented.

    HWTL

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  • Indian Magpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #7

    i think if HBA leaves, there will come a day we will regret letting him go.

    Messi looses the ball more oftn than any1 else in la liga BBVA, xavi, busqets and iniesta bail him out, guess who gets world or european player of the year

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  • hotdog

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #8

    The type of player Ben Arfa is of course he is going to give the ball away as he is there to try the unusual. It’s not a Danny Simpson we are talking about who will pass the ball safe 9 times out of 10. I still think he is a masive danger to the opposition but he is not fit enough for 90mins prem football – He should be used as an impact sub in my view!

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  • hotdog

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #9

    Indian Magpie

    He is no Messi but i take your point lad

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  • Bucks mag

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #10

    If Benny has matured as he said he has, then I think he will rise to this challenge. He has begun to change his game a bit so I’m very hopeful. He properly knows the value of the team, knows what is expected of him

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  • Indian Magpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    Comment #11

    *busquets

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  • Dyer8

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #12

    ………………Krul
    Simmo..Willo..Collo..Santon
    ………………Tiote
    ……….Cabaye..Tiote
    HBA…………………………..Ba
    ………………Cisse

    ……………….Krul
    Simmo..Willo..Collo..Santon
    Obertan..Cabaye..Tiote..Jonas
    ……………..Ba..Cisse

    Krul
    Simmo..Willo..Collo..Santon
    Obertan..Guthrie..Perch..Jonas
    Ba..Cisse

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #13

    Indian

    Sorry mate but regards Messi that is simply not true, if you dont believe me then look at his stats.

    I agree that we dont want to be letting him go but he has to work harder and do more for the team, in my view, I am a huge fan of his but the team come first, its totally in his hands.

    I agree with the oint that he is not a Danny Simpson and that his desire to create will sometimes mean he gives possession away, but the differebce is his desire to win it back.

    If you want to talk about Messi Indian, thats the difference Messi as much as he is the best plater in world football (by a distance) he is also one of the hardest running with ground covered per game, he grafts for his teammeates.

    Come on Benny son, we all want you in the team, roll them sleeves up Bonny Lad

    HWTL

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  • toonincheek

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #14

    Difficult to fit in HBA with two strikers.
    Maybe during training, they can work on ways of HBA feeding the Dembas although I think it may have to be from RW, not in the ‘hole’ or we will be too narrow.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #15

    Pardew prefers a 4-4-2. in that kind of formation there is no place for a player of HBA quality. Even Messi would not get into that formation under Pardew.

    I reckon he’s off in the summer.

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #16

    He just doesn’t fit into Pardew’s system and preference. Nothing to do with his quality. He’s better off at clubs that fit their system around a player like HBA.

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  • GeordieGesus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #17

    Jeez, Who would have imagined at the start of the season that HBA wouldn’t make the grade. Just shows we are going from strength to strength. Just hope HBA can keep up.

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  • Popsoda

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #18

    When HBA is in the final third he is DANGEROUS. But who can find the right pass to him?

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #19

    Ilovetoon

    Of course Messi would get in are you for real?

    You obv dont watch much Sapnish football as Messi is one of the hardest working players in the league.

    I agree with you on th Pardew likes 442 point however, and Benny can fit in in the same mould as Ronaldo did for Man U, but he needs to track back more, Ronaldo did that!

    man U had Rooney, tevez up top with Roanldo on the right/free role.

    It can work in a similar fashion but Pardew is right with what he says. He sees Benny every day in training and around the club, and therefoere is the best qualified person on Earth to say if he ”gets it” or not. He need to knuckle down and work harder for his pals, otherwise hes on the bech

    Simple and I agree

    HWTL

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  • Indian Magpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #20

    Colo-Sus

    some posted an article that messi does loose the ball more than any other player in la liga BBVA

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  • eastend toon

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #21

    rav, still got those tickets for sat? los_miller@hotmail.com

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #22

    And on him leaving, We wont sell him unless he requests it, and we wont chage our system to fit him, and righly so, if he weants to improve as a palyer and as a pro, then he adapts to fit NUFC not vice versa, if hes not willing (not saying he isnt) then better of without in my opinion. I think he will adapt to be honest thoug, with the French contingient we have here we will want to stay and get into the team, and I think he will

    HWTL

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  • nufc_mad

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #23

    feel really gutted for the lad when he was injured all i wanted is to see him back in a toon shirt. Now he has a real fight on his hands, I thought that with his skill he would walk into the team, heres hoping benny comes through.

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  • norwegianmagpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #24

    Krul
    Staylor Colo Williamson
    Santon Gutierrez
    Cabaye Tiote
    Ben Arfa
    Demba1 Demba2

    There you go!

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #25

    @Colo-Sus // Feb 7, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Yes Messi would not get into our side. As Pardew prefers winger who can hug the touchline and whip in crosses like Raylor and Obertan(who Pardew also wishes has better delivery i s’pose.)

    HBA is not that type of player. And He’s no Ronaldo. Ronaldo at Man U was an out and out winger who could run down the touchline and cross/pass etc.

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  • shearermania

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #26

    just play hba as a classic winger on the left and swap jonas to the right……….there, sorted………

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #27

    Indian,

    He doesnt mate, sorry, not the most anyway.

    and as I said before the difference with him and Benny is the desire to get that lost ball back. Messi runs his socks off for his team. Thats what Benny needs to do, its the only thing his game lacks, if he does that he becomes onw of the best players in the league/europe imho

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  • norwegianmagpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #28

    —————–Krul———————–
    —–Saylor—Colo—Williamson—–
    Santon————————Gutierrez
    ———–Cabaye—Tiote—————
    ——————-HBA——————–
    ——–Demba1—–Demba2———–

    Santon and Guti as attacking wingbacks.

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  • ashwin say's

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #29

    @toontom bashing shola cos of his play is far better than proving someone that you are better fan than him. It’s not his fault that he lives far away! what imp is does he has toon spirit ?
    In india
    fanrate of nufc/other team is 1/100000
    while others are supporting big 4 and few mancity and totenham . To suport a team even when it is relegated even when he is not born geordie needs toon spirit.

    Colo-sus @3 spot on mate

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #30

    Shearmania

    I agree that would work thats what Marseille did with him, pronlem is he does not want to play there, one of the reasons he left them for us.

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  • hotdog

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #31

    norwegianmagpie – I like that, who do you manage 🙂

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  • ashwin say's

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #32

    @toontom bashing shola cos of his play is far better than proving someone that you are better fan than him. It’s not his fault that he lives far away! what imp is does he has toon spirit ?
    In india
    fanrate of nufc/other team is 1/100000
    while others are supporting big 4 and few mancity and totenham . To suport a team even when it is relegated even when he is not born geordie needs toon spirit.

    Colo-sus @3 spot on mate.

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  • JackButler

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #33

    Another day and yet another HBA debate

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  • Papiss9

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #34

    To even mention that messi looses the ball most in La Liga is laughable..

    First of all, messi get’s the ball all the time so you have to messure it up against how many times he does not loose the ball. A player who rarely gets the or just passes backwards will not loose the as many times.

    Every time messi gets the its dangerous, he creates so much.. and there are 3 players on him.. look at the goal pedro scored against real madrid.. the hole defence tried to close him down and forgot all about pedro.

    Messi is a class act, and ben arfa is nowhere near him..

    BUT I like ben arfa a lot, and hope he gets more games, but i think pardew will give him that.

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  • hotdog

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #35

    Colo-Sus
    I seen messi with my own eyes in August for the Copa Del Rey final and without doubt he is the greatest player ever! but he did not work as hard as you suggest he does!

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  • NUFC_Richyg01

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #36

    HBA played pretty well out on the wing like

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  • Colo-Sus

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #37

    Ilovetoon

    No he wasnt mate, Ronaldo used to roam from a starting point on the right for Man U. He scored most of his gaols through the middle for them and did most of his damage from there. I know this as I attended alot of Manure games at the time as pasrt of my Job.

    I agree that Pardew seems to like wingers…However…

    His recent tactics has had Jonas coming more inside with Santon bombing on. But i see your point, dont think that will result in us selling him mind..

    And RE Messi

    WAKE UP MATE, Messi is the best player in the world, Pardew would lace his boots for him if it meant him playing for Nufc, as we asll would tbh. His work rate would get him in alongise the fact he is ridiculously good.

    ;;Messi would not get in our side” has to be the most stupid thing ive ever heard on this blog…..ever

    Anyone agree?

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  • Indian Magpie

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #38

    hotdog

    if it was in august, must nt have been the final, more likely the spanish version of the charity shield

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  • shearermania

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Comment #39

    hba is the best player weve got,,,,its that simple…
    put him on the left and i would love to see jonas on the right where he could actually cross with his right paw…..santon dosnt need that much baby sitting so hba on the left is the way to go and also i think simmo could need a chaperon from time to time….so everyones a winner…
    just imagine the crosses from benny….ohhhhhhh i now i need to go change my pants

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  • eastend toon

    Feb 7, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #40

    gotta say norwegianmagpie, that does look like a great line up, i’d probably pull tiote back between cabaye and the back 3, a sweeper type role, cabaye a cushion between the attack and defense as he’s a work horse and gets stuck in but can also back up our attack

    AP, you’ve been told!

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