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Newcastle Summer Transfer Business Already In Full Swing

11:27 am, Sunday, February 12th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 208 Comments

Newcastle have done very well in the last two transfer windows, but like everything,  that’s because of good and thorough planning.

Graham Carr - Newcastle Chief Scout

Mike Ashley was at the Benton training grounds on Thursday and one of meetings he held, the top priority meeting according to today’s Sunday Sun, was on transfers.

And it seems Mike wants to concentrate on this summer’s and next January’s window together.

As usual he has asked that a list of players be drawn up that are either out of contract or available in the summer, and Blackburn’s Canadian Junior Hoilett is apparently one of the names on the list.

Although the news last week was that the 21 year-old was being linked heavily with Bayern Munich, whom he would join as a free agent in the summer.

The Newcastle scouts have been in full swing on targets for the last six months, and that seemed obvious when Newcastle held a meeting in Paris last month with a number of top agents, and it wasn’t related to the January transfer window either.

There has already been a lot of planing and work done for the upcoming summer window, when Newcastle hope to bring in the following – according to the Sunday Sun:

  • A new central defender
  • A central midfielder
  • A new goalkeeper
  • A young striker

It’s clear we need a new central defender, and yesterday showed that we are short of another good central midfield player to back up Yohan Cabaye, Cheick Tiote and Danny Guthrie.

We also hope the club can bring in another full-back,  and of course they may be forced to do that in any case,  if Simpson refuses to sign a new deal.

We are almost certain that Steve Harper will leave Newcastle this summer, after 19 years at the club,  because he doesn’t even get a place on the bench these days, with Rob Elliot the one backing up Tim Krul.

And it also seems clear that Fraser Forster will be sold in the summer.

And Newcastle will be on the look-out for a young striker,  as it seems that Peter Lovenkrands and Nile Ranger will be leaving in the summer.

And we think Newcastle will in addition bring in a number of young players (like Mehdi Abeid as the example), who will not immediately be first team starters, but will be top young players anywhere from 19 to 21 years of age.

And in addition to all that, it seems that Alan Pardew’s initiative of improving the Newcastle Youth Academy has been backed by Ashley to the tune of £15M.

The club will concentrate on getting better young players into the Academy, and we’ll also see some of them coming in during the summer months.

As many as 12 of the Newcastle youngsters will be allowed to leave in the summer, and they are already looking around to get new clubs.

So it’s clear that a lot of good planning is going on at Newcastle, and Chief Scout Graham Carr and his staff have already been checking on summer targets.

We feel that the summer transfer window will be a good one again for Newcastle, as the club strives to improve the playing staff across the board.

That sounds good.

Comments always welcome.



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208 responses so far ↓

  • 1 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    A new central defender
    A central midfielder
    A new goalkeeper
    A young striker

    WHAT?

    a CM?

    a striker?

    I think as of this moment more crucial to all of this is a RB, RW/LW and CB role and splash most of the cash there in all honesty not stop gap players enough…

  • 2 MagpiesFlyHigh // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    gorgonzola

    a whole new back four – all positions need improvement
    two strikers – 3rd and 4th choice
    improved DCM backup

    good way of describing yesterdays team – ‘stop gap players’ – spot on

  • 3 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Tavernier has not been released, expected to be offered a new deal

  • 4 spitfire_ // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    A young PROSPECT striker is a kind of need…. not another spanish misunderstanding. Apart two Demba’s we have… shite. Two new central defenders – Willo and Kadar out. CM is not needed… when Cheik and Cabaye are back we can play 3-7-0 if we want. A versatile wing back are need… badly badly badly… and the young CB who can play also like wing back.

  • 5 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    lets look it at logically

    so far this season Jonas, Obertan where not up to the standard as wingers. Sorry to say for me Jonas has fallen in form Obertan is what you get. a quality of winger if it has to be Hoillett a diver so be it. We need a winger either LW or RW that can run at players and challenge them pass them deliver to the box Jonas needs some serious competition Marveux is ONE player but of whim we saw very little. What if he gets injured again?

    Its plain as day to see we need an out and out fast passed quality winger, Bale, Walcott, Valencia, etc

    CB a quality PACE oriented CB dont have to comment on that one.

    CM we have 3 superb players Guthrie, Cabaye, Tiote, that can be filled with R Taylor, Jonas. CM is not really a primary worry surely….

    Striker is needed but since we have 2 real quality ones not that URGENT. if we play 3 up front with 2 wingers

  • 6 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    For a young striker I’d like Phillips of Blackpool or Jordan Rhodes

  • 7 Wor Shearer // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    The Sun don’t have a clue.

    A CM?? surely they mean a Winger? unless they know more than we do…..are we selling someone?

  • 8 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Wor Shearer

    Exactly….

  • 9 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    My new years resolution for the club is not to Play Strolla again. I hope and pray…

  • 10 Wor Shearer // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    btw, is Guthrie allowed to negotiate with other clubs now?

    His contract finishes in the summer and the January window is closed?

  • 11 unclepauly // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    i cant believe there was no mention of new wingers in ed’s article. we are so weak in this department. alan pardew made a good remark a while back and said that since sylvain marvellous has been out, jonas’s form has dipped, and this is because with marvellous on the bench it was a kick up the backside for jonas. now with no competition for the left wing spot (fergie ?) jonas is not playing great.

    as for right wing – obertan has had long enough now and im sorry but not good enough. for me HBA should start right wing but AP will not do this it seems.

    yes we need to improve ALL areas of our team – but isnt this the same for all teams who are not in the top 3/4 ? lets not forget how great we are doing compared to our expectations and lets not get too worried over one dismal performance.

    HWTL !

  • 12 solano // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Re: pic. Is Graham Carr morphing into wine impressario Oz Clark?

  • 13 jayphoto // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Rumour in France is we’re heavily in for midfielder corgnet! Rated about 5-7m! Wouldn’t be shocked if we took both of the palace lads clyne and zaha too! My bet for the summer is clyne, Tomkins, corgnet, zaha and knockaert! Can see HBA going, most people will blame pards but I blame HBA, hes been a poir trainer and woefully inconsistent throughout his career! Was at Lyon and Marseille! When he’s good hes amazing but when he’s not…… There’s a reason sumone of his amazing talent cost 5m and had no champions league offers

  • 14 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Team next year

    KRUL
    SANTON CB/Saylor Colo LB(Santon)
    RW(HBA if he is still here wich i very much so doubt) Cabaye Tiote Marveaux Jonas (RW capable of playing LW)
    HBA (if here as CAM)
    Cisse BA ST

  • 15 Diggedydaws // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    @ gorgonzola,

    And of course these Walcotss and Valencias grow on trees…we have a blueprint, can’t see us splashing the money that was paid for either of those tbh.

    We’ll continue to try and unearth new talentand the reason we need a CM is probs cause Tiote is on his way out!

    With a full squad, as it is I mean, I really do think we are the 5th or 6th best club in the league.

  • 16 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    jayphoto

    I tend to disagree.. HBA has not been manged and player right. Sorry to say I wonder how Keegan would behave in Pardews spot with HBA….

  • 17 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    And of course these Walcotss and Valencias grow on trees

    No but there is Jesus Navas (sevilla is struggling this year, Gaitan, Hoillett, Zaha,even Dos Santos I dunno there are players if one is willing to pay for em…and we need a Quality RW/LW and we are not emulating a Ginola or Robert any time soon…

  • 18 GeordieGesus // Feb 12, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    gorgonzola, under Keegan we wouldn’t have HBA. To cheap.

  • 19 FatmanJoe // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    I’m in Malaysia at the moment and stayed up late last night to watch our humiliation… very clear there is investment needed. Our starting lineup is excellent when everyone fit but our bench needs improvement and this might mean some young players starting to step up to the plate. I think in the summer there will be close to ten fringe players moving out and maybe 5 quality players coming in. I hope. Our spine is fine but a couple of full backs and wingers needed desperately!

  • 20 geoff777 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Simpson, Willo, Obertan, Guthrie, Perch, Best Ameobi … they all cost peanuts.

    I’m sure Pardew would like to replace most of them with better players but that will cost a fortune.

    If you want to do it by the start of next season … sell Krul and Tiote.

    I don’t want to do that.
    I’d like to see us improve the squad in one or two key areas each window.

    It may take three seasons to replace our 1M players with 5-6M players.

    Until then I can’t see the point in all this “blaming”.

    Most of our players are playing to a standard well above their transfer fees. Willo cost 1M . Simmo 500k

    The squad is set until the end of the season.

    Support the lads, even (especially) in defeat.

    HWTL

  • 21 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    GG..

    common lad…..thats just not fair….I know what he wanted when he came here, and it wasn’t realistic but still…

  • 22 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Geoff 777

    agreed

    but then there is BA :) I know what you meant but I am just saying :)

  • 23 macsmax // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Gorgonzola, if Keegan was here he would have Spat his dummy out and resigned again…

  • 24 geoff777 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    RIP Whitney – Another diva gone …

  • 25 shpetmeister // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    The closest a player that can near Lionel Messi is Ben Harfa, and still he dosent play for Newcastle!! I dont give a shit if he dosent run back to help in the deffence, just play him and 89% of Newcastle fans are Happy! Even do we loose !

  • 26 geoff777 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    @gorgonzola

    Yes I know but nobody is bitching like girls about Ba …

  • 27 jayphoto // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Gorgonzola was he mismanaged by his lyon and Marseille coaches too? By all his French youth coaches? Ben arfa even said himself, the only manager to understand me is Raymond dommenech…… Is this the kinda manager u want? HBA would be in the team under Keegan because we had hard working players that played for the team! Ginola had far better decision making to HBA and knew when to pass!

  • 28 WWJBD // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Contracts waiting until summer is very worrying

  • 29 Darling27 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    We’ll be pushing for Hoilett.

  • 30 jayphoto // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Did sumone just say Ben arfa is the nearest thing to messi? Geeeeez! UV either never seen Ben arfa play or messi! Messi is possibly the greatest footballer of all time, Ben arfa is nowhere near his class!

  • 31 MagpiesFlyHigh // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    The defence is missing Saylor and Tiote big time. Our goals against is looking pretty dire.
    Since the Chelsea game we’ve shipped
    4 at Norwich
    3 at Liverpool
    5 at Fulham
    5 at Spurs

    Top 4 sides usually compete at the level of losing by the odd goal – not allowing 2,3,4,5 in one match on a regular basis. Okay Arse and Manure have had big losses – but not on a regular basis like us or wining it against poor sides like Blackburn.
    .
    We need to spend serious money on the back 4 and another quality DCM in addition to the reasonable quality players we have got now – Colo is lost without Saylor, and none of the rest have enough class to keep their concentration week in week out and not meltdown every few games. They don’t have Saylors commitment – and it did rub off. IMO he should have been first choice Cap. Basically we still have such major weaknesses at the back we’ll not get above 6-7th and the first 12 matches show how poor the squad players are up against any teams with good attacking players. (including such as Grant Holt)

    A lot of bloggers have been saying all season esp after QPR overran us, how we should be playing 4-5-1 away from home. Agreed but if we only have average squad players we’ll still get overrun on a regular basis.

    Quality does cost money and bargain basement players won’t always turn out to be good value or good enough. It’s a percentage game. Good scouting is there to identify the right players – not necessarily to allow us to always buy cheap. Four £5-6m defenders would be good value in the summer. God knows we need them.

  • 32 geoff777 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Now the 35M and Virgin sponsorship money for this year has been spent.
    How much will Llambias give Pardew to spend each window so we break even?

    6M Tops? + any player sales – (agents fees, bungs and Monaco investments).

    so sell Simmo 2M buy Pieters 5-6M a couple of frees and thats it until next January …

  • 33 MagpiesFlyHigh // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    * winging it

  • 34 cjcox88 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    Absolutely disgusted by some of the comments I have seen today. You would never have thought we were 1 point behind Chelsea. Get some perspective people. Who would have though we would beat Manchester United 3-0 after we did that we weren’t the best team in the league and this result doesn’t make us the worst. Support the lads, the idea that Danny Simpson is suddenly rubbish is ludicrous, what about his 3 goal-line clearances that have earned us draws or wins? Get over it, a bad result, we still are in a brilliant position and everyone but Arsenal also missed out! We have some easier games coming up with Cabaye and Tiote back which will help massively and we will get back on track. Stop jumping on people’s backs

  • 35 cjcox88 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Also, to question Colo is literally the most moronic thing I have heard for a while. He has been a brilliant captain and one of the stand-out cbs in the league this year, so stop criticism him

  • 36 shearermania // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    it was just a game….to be honest their first 3 chances went in…so from then it wasnt to be…
    we were slack in position especially in midfield but hell its just 1 game…both the yids and manure had 5 goals put in behind them earlier..
    we will be fine….a top 7 would be amazing…
    dont loose focus……you win some and you loose some

  • 37 BenArfa-Legend10 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    New Centre back – Douglas

    New Centre mid – ??????

    New Goalkeeper – Scott Loach/Michell Vorm

    New young striker – Wilfried Zaha

    They forgot a new winger – Junior Hoilett

  • 38 ToonDownSouth // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    WWJBD

    It’s worrying because we all know exactly what that means…

  • 39 WWJBD // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    We wont get Vorm unless we sell Krul. He wont leave Swansea to sit on our bench

  • 40 WWJBD // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    TDS
    That they all want to sign up together on the same day? Yeah not likely is it

    Reminds me of the El Toro contract situation tbh

  • 41 shearermania // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    in my eyes we only need to strenghten in defense…i think in mid and attack we are as good any other team..you could argue about our subs but this is where your youngsters can make up the numbers…..we have arfa on the bench, marvaux to come back….we dont need any midfielders/wingers in my humble opinion…believe me its humble

  • 42 ToonDownSouth // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Zaha has less end product that Obertan & Jonas, and Vorm is hardly going to come and sit on our bench is he?

    And I don’t want Hoilett anywhere near our squad after his diving antics two years in a row against us.

  • 43 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    if keegan was manager ben arfa would be breath takeing to watch , and with this team keegan would have the players playing the type what would brand us as the entertainers again bit thats not going to happen if only carling done adverts :(

  • 44 toonarmy1986 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Left back for me is a priority. Santon is right footed and like Raylor it shows against good teams when he gets exposed. Get him to right back and someone in at left back. Another cb and two wingers who can cross a ball! With the two strikers we have, if they can get decent service then they will be unstoppable.

  • 45 shearermania // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    toonruz…carlsberg not carling

  • 46 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    if keegan was manager ben arfa would be breath takeing to watch , and with this team keegan would have the players playing the type what would brand us as the entertainers again but thats not going to happen if only carling done adverts :(

  • 47 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    pmsl your right really hung over today give me a break

  • 48 shearermania // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    pmsl????

  • 49 5Danny94 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    A new central defender – Yanga M’Biwa
    A central midfielder – Joe Allen
    A new goalkeeper – Frank Fielding or Scott Loach.
    A young striker – Pierre Emerick Aubemayang

    On top of this, I’d like to see:
    – Junior Hoilett
    – Aly Cissokho
    – Harry Maguire

  • 50 geordie157 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    think any of these are good additions, Vertonghen, Mbwia, Douglas, Pieters, Cissokho, Luk De Jong, Zaha, Rodellega, Hooper, Rhodes, Barnetta, Hoilett, Chung-Lee (bolton), back up keeper Loach or Henderson (pompey), and some young players like Clyne, maguire, dunk etc.
    Would love to see Van Der Wiel in the prem!! Actually Ajax’s Anita would be a decent shout, back up to Tiote and can also play left back and left wing.

  • 51 West Lancs Geordie // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Regretably yesterday only went to confirm just how far off we are from challenging for a European place never mind winning something but we will bounce back against Wolves! We just do not have strength in depth. First priority must be to get the top key players resigned on good new contracts especially Colo, Krul & Ba. A new quality CB is paramount. Forget signing back up cover as Perch & Willo are really only chamionship at best. Saylor is injury prone. So any 2 from Samba, Douglas or Cissokho say. We need wingers who can cross a ball now we’ve got Ba & Cisse. Junior Hoillet looked good against us at Blackburn & perhaps Zaha or Moses. Need good back up for centre mid for Tiote,Cabaye, Guthrie & Raylor (when he’s back) & another recognized fullback. Then we can clear out Ranger, Kadar, Lovenkrands, Gosling, Marvaux (if he can’t get fit) & Obertan. HBA also needs to show us what we paid £5M+ for. That should spark some contraversy!

  • 52 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    My worry is that Pardew, quite contrary to what he claims, does not learn from his mistakes. For spurs read Fulham.
    Jayphoto I usually agree with you, but Benny won 5 league titles in France, 4 at Lyon!!!!!!!!!!, I’d say that’s a price worth paying.
    I think Carr is getting us some amazing players, but I don’t know if pardew can shape them in to an attractive footballing team as he seems to have them playing in strait jackets and worrying more about the other team too much a la Allardyce. Under Pardew, Beardo would probably have been rejected if he gone for a trial. Typical English manager who dismisses skill and flair as a luxury.

  • 53 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    West lancs,

    3 goals , 2 assists and a penalty in 6 games

  • 54 geordie157 // Feb 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    trying to be realistic, i’d be happy if we got these in the summer, Mbwia, Clyne, Barnetta & L.De Jong.

    Is Matt Jarvis worth a look if wolves go down?

  • 55 West Lancs Geordie // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Forget Rodellega. My mate from Wigan says he’ll bring him up for free – he’s pants & no good looking at Scottish Prem (poor quality) so rule Hooper out. What about the forgotten man at Chelsea Patrick Van Arnolt? Santon is a RB & like Raylor needs cover from Jonas. We’ve come a long way this season – just need to continue strengthening at manageable levels.

  • 56 Jamie McKellar // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    I think Pardew should look back to his old club Southampton.
    Adam Lallana is one of the best players in the Championship and I can’t see him saying no if we came for him. He can play on both wings and in central mid, great player as I have seen him develop myself for a couple of years now
    Another is Morgan Schneiderlin. French U21 captain. His passing is exceptional and is showing signs of becoming a true great in that league

    ONLY IF Saints don’t get promoted should we go for them. But I guarantee they would be great for us

  • 57 geordie157 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Gosling needs a loan move next season, think a season at a decent championship team would benefit him and us. Plus he’s just turned 22, so can easily improve.

  • 58 geordie157 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Van Aanholt or Bertrand could be decent options, although VA struggled to get a game with Wigan and is now on loan at Vitesse.

  • 59 West Lancs Geordie // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    I’m not saying HBA’s not quality RH but seems to want to take on the world at the moment. Perhaps trying too hard to prove a point to Pards. He’s just the pacey player we need coming in behind the front two. Far more skill than say Sturridge on his day.

  • 60 West Lancs Geordie // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    PVA (stick with him) hardly got a game at Wigan & did a pretty good job for us. He’s still only young

  • 61 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    we need atleast 3 defenders with none leaving.

    our right back in Simpson is woeful, definitely need a quality centre back and right back and a left back back up to Santon. Someone young. 3 MINIMUM

  • 62 Dyer8 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    In :
    Nathaniel Clyne (C’Palace), RB
    Douglas (Twente), DC
    Jake Livermore (Spurs), DM
    Junior Hoilett (B’Burn), WG – (or Vladimir Weiss)
    Jay Rodriguez (Burnley), ST – (or Jordan Rhodes)

    Out :
    Perch, Lovenkrands , Smith, Xisco, Simpson, Harper, Ranger, Forster, Obertan, Kadar

    Best XI :

    —————-Krul
    Clyne–Saylor–Collo–Santon
    —————-Tiote
    ———Cabaye–Guthrie
    HBA—————————-Ba
    —————-Cisse

    Sub :
    Ameobi, Best, Jodriguez
    Vuckic, Abeid, Gosling, Livermore
    Marvo, Sammy, Jonas, Hoilett
    Raylor, Ferguson, Tarvernier
    Willo, Douglas

  • 63 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    I’d forgotten about PVA would be a great shout as he’s still not getting games

  • 64 Lynxie // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    We should remember that Simpson was initially brought in to get us out of the championship. He was great at that level, but he seems to think he is the new Cafu. the number of goals we concede on the right side of our defence is glaringly obvious that we have a weakness there. Earlier in the season Raylor was pinpointed by many teams as a weak sopt, but up to a point, he responded magnificently (as a stand in). Simpson on the other hand has been obviously pin pointed, and he is getting worse. His ball watching, lack of positional sense, poor decision making, and general stupidity (Liverpoools second goal- Bellendermy free kick), are schoolboy grade defending. if I were him, I would be grabbing the first pen I could, and signing the first contract on offer, before the powers that be withdraw it or reduce the terms to a level he deserves…………

  • 65 Lynxie // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Radical thinking, but can we not buy a better defensive coach in the transfer window/ Whats Mark Lawrenson doing these days ?? LOL

  • 66 Peka90 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    I love reading about all this support for ben arfa … do any of you people actually watch him ? yes he can go past a man …. but he doesnt know when to pass the ball and to who … greedy player tbh. If he plays at wolves and hes terrible it will be “well where was obertan and taylor?” if anyone actually thought we could beat spurs away are crazy, yes it could have been more competitive but they have the best midfield in the league !!

  • 67 Rosted Pork // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    we need 1 RB , 2 CB, 1 STR, 1 RW

  • 68 Rosted Pork // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    PEKA90

    U NEED PLAYERS TO PASS THE BALL. DO U EXPECT HBA TO PASS THE BALL TO STROLA? STROLA WONT EVEN BOTHER TO CHASE A THRU BALL BY ARFA .COZ HE IS LAZY SO ARFA TRYD TO B GREADY COZ HE KNOWS SHOLA Wont make a effort to run or will either b offside

  • 69 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    lol.

    Like Obertan knows when to pass. He’s worse than Arfa to be honest. Runs straight into a brick wall. Doesn’t know when to cross or pass. Definitely our worst signing this window. Arfa deserves to ahead of him.

    And Spurs first goal was Obertan’s fault. For he too lazy to mark Ekotto.

  • 70 TTT // Feb 12, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    I think a proper full back is whats missing, even Obertan would look a lot better if he had constant support in every attack, this is a must in any top teams. I fancy Naughton from Norwich or Clyne from Palace to do a job but maybe they will go for a LB instead.

    I think we need a pacy winger that can score goals, we don’t get nearly enough goals from the wide men, so Hoilett would be perfect and no fee. I think we kill two birds with one stone here as he can easily play as a striker.

    Plus we still need a CB, I don’t see any better than Yanga-M’biwa around that age that could be available, but a young English CB like Dunk from Brighton or Maguire from Shef Utd could be a decent buy.

    So I reckon a young full back, winger/striker and a centre back. We should try to get around 5 players that are top young talent like Abeid, these will increase our options in the future and possibly generate transfer funds so this should probably be a main focus.

  • 71 Toon-Barmy // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    We really should have signed Steven Pienaar, he was absolutely brilliant for Everton yesterday, what a player he is! Same goes for Aaron Ramsey, he’s really come on at Arsenal this season, he’s a good example of proper youth development. Also been really impressed with Steven Caulker, done well at Norwich.
    I Have to say I agree with our summer targets. If we are going to genuinely compete with the likes of Tottenham, Arsenal etc we need to improve in every area. We need to offload a few first though! I think we need:
    A 3rd Goalkeeper
    A central defender (preferably one who can cover right back)
    A Left back
    A Right midfielder
    A Central midfielder
    At least one striker
    And of course, a few youngsters in all positions!

    Need to offload:
    Xisco
    Forster
    Harper
    Smith
    Lovenkrands
    Best
    Ranger
    Perch
    Kadar
    Soderberg
    None of them are good enough

  • 72 NUFC-BRAZILFAN // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    We need to rebuilt our defence just like as we did with our midfield last season. We should sell Simpson and Coloccini, sign 2 new center backs and a new left back. I know you might not agree with this, but we sold Nolan and Barton and look where we are (Colo earns around £80,000 a week, just to remind you)
    Defence
    Out:
    Coloccini £3,5M
    Simpson £2,5M

    In:
    Douglas Free
    Erik Pieters £6M
    Lewis Dunk £2M

    Midfield:
    Out:
    Dan Gosling(swap)
    Haris Vuckic (loan)

    In:
    Hoillet £3M (tribunal)
    Karl Henry (swap)

    Attack:
    Out:
    Lovenkrans Free
    Best £3M

    In:
    Jay Rodriguez £3,5M

  • 73 NUFC-BRAZILFAN // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Squad:
    GK
    Krul, Elliot, Alwink

    FB
    Santon, Ryan Taylor, Pieters

    CB
    Stven Taylor, Willianson, Douglas, Lewis Dunk

    CM
    Cabaye, Tiote, Guthrie, Karl Henry, Mehdi Abeid

    WG
    Hoillet, Gutierrez, Marveaux, Obertan

    ST
    Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Jay Rodriguez, Ameobi

  • 74 Peka90 // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    ben arfa hasnt only played with shola though …. he has 9 other team mates as well … which is why your comment makes little sense tbh, how can you justify him losing the ball 6/7 times out of 10 because he scored a wonder goal against blackburn ? or scored against relegation teams like bolton ? … I didnt say obertan is the answer but ben arfa hasnt justified why he should be in the first team for me …

  • 75 pbNcl // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    here’s to big tiote gettin his cup of nations medal tonight! I hope he plays like, bossin the park on the big stage….. well done son

  • 76 pbNcl // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    karl henry?

  • 77 Ben3arfa // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    WBA vs our next opponents WOLVES is on

    Average game in terms of quality but plenty of attacking chances,

    Steven Fletcher is such a great overall striker, full of class .. Should be cheap if wolves get relegated :)

  • 78 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    off topic a bit but

    some folks were asking why fergie before HBA?

    I wondered it during the game and was sure after reading pardew’s interview….

    pardew’s always said (wrongly) he sees fergie as a LB. Pardew’s thought process was simply to have two LBs on the left side for damage limitation. He in now way could’ve possibly thought fergie could instigate some comeback

    no no. pardew was at damage limitation. in his 13 month tenure, he’s yet to show some balls.

  • 79 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    ^ that was in reguards to pards saying he had ‘too many offensive’ players, which was a total load of garbage. you had ba, cisse and obertan (i also said last week cisse wasn’t the best at holding up the ball and got slagged to end for saying it….wasn’t bashing him, that’s just not his forte…..more reason to start playing football ON THE GROUND)

  • 80 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    oh yeah, in reguards to this post

    it’s devastatingly obvious we need at least 1 more wingback

  • 81 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    I’m pretty content with our overall team to be really honest. I would love us to make these decisions in the summer:

    Sales:

    Obertan (£500k-1.5m)
    Perch (£500k-1.5m)
    Lovenkrands (£500k-1.5m)
    Shola Ameobi (£500k-1.5m)
    Leon Best (£2-5m)

    Release ever player above if they cannot get money for them apart from Leon Best.

    Keep:

    All main players (Krul, Santon, Colocinni, S.Taylor, Cabaye, Tiote, Gutierrez, Ben Arfa, Cisse and Ba)

    Then also keep:

    Simpson (On the bench next season)
    Williamson (On the bench next season)
    R.Taylor (On the bench next season)
    Vuckic (Start or bench)
    Ferguson (Start or bench)

    Signings:

    RB – M’Biwa £4-8m (If Pardew doesn’t sign a new RB then start Tavernier and put Simpson on the bench)

    CB – Douglas £Free

    CM or LW or RW – £4-8m Kranjcar or £Free Hoilett or £4-8m Elia

    Striker – I would say Luuk De Jong but would he join without being guarenteed first team football. And for me a new striker should be bought for cover not starting 11, so you guys decide?

  • 82 alip123 // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Tranfers in the summer:

    OUT: Smith (free)
    Lovenkrands (free)
    Kadar (free)
    Airey (free)
    Xisco (hopefully – even on a free)
    Ranger (£2.5m)
    Simpson (£5m)

    IN: Douglas (Twente, free)
    Hoilett (free)
    Olsson (blackburn, £4m)
    Fletcher (Wolves, £5m)
    Lee Chung Yong (Bolton, £4m)
    Boudebouz (Sochaux, £5m)
    Naughton (spurs, £3m)

    INCOME £7.5m
    EXPENDITURE: £21m

    Net spending of about £13.5m

  • 83 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Krul

    M’Biwa Douglas S.Taylor/Colocinni Santon

    Tiote

    Cabaye/Kranjcar/Elia Gutierrez/Kranjcar/Elia

    Ben Arfa/Kranjcar/Elia

    Cisse Ba

  • 84 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    barras

    we’ll be really lucky if HBA is here next season

    he’s definitely split popular opinion. to the folks who think pardew can do no wrong, his exclusion is welcomed each week….heightening their notion of ‘this is for the team’ when in reality they look and hope to see one of our players sitting on the bench so they can come on here and say, quite unfounded, that ‘he’s not doing enough’, all the while his ‘replacements’ have done f*** all

    to the folks who think it’s only a matter of time before pardew gets found out to the rest of the people who are still apologists or whatever, they cringe every time the team sheet comes out and wonder what the hell he must be thinking to have come to this club

    he’ll be gone, and make no mistake about it if he does leave, it’s down to pardew

  • 85 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Why do people want to sell the likes of Perch and Simpson???

    We need to build a squad not just a starting 11

  • 86 SwedishMagpie // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    list of players I think we should try to sign in the summer. clyne, holiett, mbiwa, jarvis, rhodes, douglas, redmond, el kabir.

  • 87 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    JB

    Perch may be worth hanging onto

    definitely not simmo….even as backup

  • 88 Dannyo // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    @JB
    I don’t mind selling Perch, 2 matches of good form is really not enough to go by.
    But keeping players like Best, Raylor and Simmo, those who perhaps are not, or should not start outside injuries, is imperative to building a full strength squad.
    However, neither of the 3 should be starters in an ideal setting.
    I do want them as squad players tho, but Perch i don’t really mind losing.

  • 89 LewSpi // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    And so it begins…

    Who’s gonna be taking the other bed in Barnetta’s room this year then?

  • 90 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    @mattynufc

    On what you have said there I think your spot on.
    I think Pardew has done an amazing job. But when we signed Cisse instead of thinking that’s great news lets play 4-4-2. I thought we could make this even better with Ben Arfa, but the passes through from just behind them. I hope now before it’s too late, that we start playing Hatem Ben Arfa.

  • 91 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Perch should stay as he can play a number of positions, he not a first team starter for me but he can cover 5 different positions and isn’t on massive money, he’s a good utility player.
    We are not going to throw money around so we will need bodies.

    For me I think we need a right back, a right winger, a centre half and a young striker to replace 4th choice Shola, someone like Jordan Rhodes or Matt Phillips at Blackpool, someone with pace and a high work rate

  • 92 catchy in norway // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    mattynufc

    why would perch be worth hanging onto???as a defender he isnt good enough for the premiership, as a def midfielder he isnt strong enough to take control of the midfield and run it, then there is his passing, very poor

    our team right now is made up of players that would walk into man u, ars, chelsea liverpool, and players that would struggle in any other team in the prem

    cabaye. ba, tiote, saylor, colo, krul , would walk into top teams

    guthrie, hba, cisse, santon, marvauxe not far behind, cisse still has alot to prove, but is heading in the right direction

    vuckic, goslin, ferguson, abeid, great futures ahead of them,

    then we have the players who just arnt good enough to help us get to the next level, on fact there bringing us down

    obertan,
    perch
    simpson
    williamson,

    id rather play the kids and let them make misstakes than any of these, at least they will learn from them

  • 93 catchy in norway // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    ps shola should go to, wow, how could i forget him :(

  • 94 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    catchy – If we get rid of Simpson and Williamson then thats two right backs and two centre half’s we need to bring in come the summer.

    Not going to happen

  • 95 nufc mad man // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    all the posts saying HBA needs to start, well due to how poor our defence is we can’t drop jonas or raylor as the backline especially the right side is just too weak without the help of the wingers so therefore the only way for HBA to start is by dropping cabaye or cisse, otherwise just accept that our defence is far too weak without taylor so we need players who show commitment in defence.

  • 96 cyprus // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Sounness couldn’t handle bellamy. Coach won that argument, club lost. Gullit arued with Shearer. Player won that one, club gained. Now, the Pardew HBA saga…

  • 97 pbNcl // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Im pretty sure hatem wants to stay here like

  • 98 catchy in norway // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    and sorry if i dont buy into the pardew has done a great job story, as i dont feel he has done that great, we have had to many matches where you scratch your head and think how did we win that, other than blind luck, there has been to many games for me where if the team we where playing had a good forward, we would have lost,

    CH did a great job, he got the job to bring us back up to the prem, which he did in style, he steadied the ship, and in his first season finished 12th, he had the team playing football, not this lump it long and see what happens,

    pardew isnt and never will be a a manager to take us to the next level, his first thought is always to defend,

  • 99 nick_9 // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    If Hba leaves this summer then I’m going to be really pi55ed off. He’s proven to be our most creative winger in such a short space of time. You want players that the opposition fear, look how many of us before the spurs game were commenting on their good players that we feared. Hba is a player teams fear as is BA, Tiote.
    Why sell perch etc? Because they aren’t good enough, we obviously won’t get rid of all the fringe players in one window but they need phasing out over time for better players, we cannot keep them on the books and sign their replacements. We don’t spend mega bucks so free agents and youngsters will be key. Unless we receive a decent amount for one of our players then I cannot see us spending more than 5-7 million.

    We have no CB cover, no fb cover on either side, no winger who can put the ball in the box and barely a good thrid choice s (triker.

    Douglas (free)
    Clyne. (free)
    Patrick Van Anholt (cheap?)
    Pieters (5 mill)
    Hoilett (free – 1 mill compo)
    Rhodes (2-3 mill)

    These would all add something to the squad and are better than many of the fringe players we have. If we signed pieters I’d stick santon at) and pieters at lb. Clyne and pva would make great cover with tav too. That’s 9 mill in fees but if we sold a fringe player or 2 we could probably afford all the above and we wouldn’t be much worse off on wages after saving on the players out of contract in the summer and the players sold.

    Seen a couple of posters knocking santon for their first two goals. Fair enough he allowed the players to get the ball in the box but what about willo and Simmo ball watching and Obertan not helping out? Even Chris Kamara asked Simmo himself where he was for the first two on the goals on Sunday program.

    Point is it was a collective failure by a number of players. The likes of Williamson, Simpson, Guthrie, Obertan and perch in the same team proved a bit much. They’re all fringe players in my opinion. With Guthrie being the best out of that crop and Obertan having potential.

  • 100 catchy in norway // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    it wouldnt happen anyway,

    but its true what i say

  • 101 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    catchy – We are 6th in the league with a small squad with Tiote, Cabaye, Saylor and Ba all missing important games and still you don’t think that Pardew has done well FFS

    Go and have a word with yourself man.

    What the hell do you expect???

  • 102 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    catchy

    i agree with you

    JB

    ‘what the hell do you expect’ ….you already know his response, my response, everyone’s response. it’s been rehashed to the Nth degree. everyone listens up until the point folks like us say ‘we should be doing a lot better.’

    well, i know your question was directed at catchy, but i expect a lot more than pardew has shown since october…..our unbeaten run was as close to a fluke as could be without calling it that….we’ve played well three times this season and i’d find it hard for anyone to argue with that

    stoke
    man u
    fulham first half

    that’s it. not one other showing did we look the standard our position in the table hints towards. Do i think we’re punching above our weight? no question. Do i think it’s amazing we are where we are? of course. do i think a better manager could’ve utilized players and options at his disposal better than pardew has? without a shadow of a doubt.

  • 103 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    “When I hear, ‘people aren’t ready’ that’s like telling a person who is trying to swim, ‘don’t jump in that water until you learn how to swim’ when actually you will never learn how to swim until you get in the water.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Junior

    Pardew throw Hatem Ben Arfa in the water. And he will learn.

    (I know this quote was created for pivotal social issues but I think it is relevant here.)

  • 104 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    to answer you more specifically JB

    poor substitutions, we’ve hardly ever looked ready or capable from the kick off, horrible game preparation (Brighton, Stevenage, Spurs), caving into what the opposition is doing instead of what we’re good at (switch in formation 2nd half at fulham which totally destroyed us because he wanted to match fulham….all with a high-line and two desperately slow CBs), the constant shouting i’ve picked up from earlier in the season of AP telling the back four or Krul to hoof it up, Raylors continued inclusion at LB when he went on an abysmal run and in horrible form, obertan’s continued inclusion when, frankly, he was playing pretty much week-in, week-out how he played at spurs yesterday, HBA’s continued exclusion and AP not holding players up to the same strict, unfair standards…..and the bottom line with HBA is, none of us can accurately give an account of how he’s done this season, i don’t care how pompous you are, because he’s hardly been given a chance this year, and with lack of first teamers, fergie, raylor, obertan, jonas, and lovenkrands (a la chelsea) all getting ahead of him points to a grudge and/or stubbornness (conjecture, yes, but the rest is anything but.)

  • 105 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    ^ i think thats a pretty fair, honest assessment of one fan who has grown disgruntled with APs tactics. I’m sure i’ll still get called a mackem though….

  • 106 GeordieCoaster // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Anyone see the Wolves score? 5-1 defeat at home 3 goals in the last 15 mins. Anyone think McCarthy will survive the week?

  • 107 Benry // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    mattyNUFC don’t bother mate. To go against Pardew and Shola is almost like going against the word of the Lord Almighty on this blog……

    The point we are trying to make JB, offkey/boater is that whilst 6th may be a good position, with a more streetwise manager we could quite easily be higher, and playing good football, becuase we have the players to do it.

  • 108 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    benry

    i think it’s important though to try to get across that it’s not all just down HBA as to why people like me aren’t 100% happy with the way things are going. i think his situation hints towards a lot, but by no means is the sole cause of my discontents

  • 109 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Matty – As a squad we are weak, our strength is in out best 11 beyond those 11 players we will always struggle. Defensively Saylor is the player that ties the back four together and loosing him has been a massive loss.
    You take a dominant centre half, midfield partnership and striker out of any side and they are going to struggle, just look at city after loosing Tore and Kompany, a club that has spent 300mil + and they struggle after loosing just twoplayers

    We are in our second season back in the Premier League a season that most so called experts believed we’d be relegated, when our aim was 8th-10th, we are sat in sixth place with two of our most important players to come back for our next game.

    We are slowly building a squad to add more strength and depth not only to cement our premier league status but also to push us forward as a team/club.

    Some results and performances have been very, very poor but people need to be realistic. Anywhere inside the top ten this season will put us in an excellent position to build for next season

  • 110 Benry // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    On another note I think Gosling should be given a chance. There is something about him. I noticed when he came on last night he would have scored from the Ba header rebound had Ledley King not got his big toe in the way. Dare I say he could be a Lampard type player. Lamps definetly wasn’t a world beater at this age either.

  • 111 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    shola’s a different story altogether.

    he needs to be flogged and retire and become a coach here. i dont doubt the impact of his personality, but even the notion, the reality that he’s still near our first team is quite pathetic….and not necessarily down to him either. the power’s that be have had plenty of options and chances to get in another target man. to the folks say he offers something when we play the hoofball AP likes, well, guess what, there are a plethora of players who will actually put the effort forth if we so wanted to continue in that vein of big target men.

  • 112 Benry // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    matty im not so fixated on playing HBA all the time either, my gripe is actually with Pardew’s tactics and his general stubborness. HBA invariably comes into that process, when I wonder how the likes of Obertan and Shola get more game time ahead of a genuine match winner. The excuse that Pards then gives of HBA not tracking back is laughable, because he gives 1million times more team commitment than either Ober or Shola.

  • 113 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    lets not let this get bogged down in shola though, sorry i brought that up.

    i hope for the best with Gosling, Benry, but he needs to go out on loan. the few times he’s been on the pitch he’s either been invisible, picking up a card or stretching his arm out (ha, i remember just clutching my forehead in disbelief when he did that!)

  • 114 mattyNUFC // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    benry

    agree 100% about HBA’s effort. how it’s still up to question only hints towards fans wanting to come back on here to point out only his negatives so they can win an argument. i’ve never seen HBA not track back or not give what appears to be his all

  • 115 kenzie // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    @Barras You seem to be on the same page as me here with your signing choices, well put mate.

  • 116 roshan MAGPIE // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    man this BLOG IS dead

  • 117 Benry // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    @Indian

    Becuase the Shola lovers have finally been vaquished by the combined might of mattyNUFC and Benry!

  • 118 roshan MAGPIE // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    guys with how many points did we finished LAST SEASON

  • 119 JackButler // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    46 points, 42 so far this season, not bad considering we have a clueless manager ;)

  • 120 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    @kenzie

    Thanks man. I wish more people agreed!

  • 121 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    “Sounness couldn’t handle bellamy. Coach won that argument, club lost. Gullit arued with Shearer. Player won that one, club gained. Now, the Pardew HBA saga…”

    and there is more regret from SBR on Solano and boy was that a mistake of note

    can go on further Ferdinand too in a way

    Ginola to spurs dumbest move of the century.

    But selling Bellamy was moronic he was the exact player we need today pacy cocky striker no cr+p approach…

  • 122 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    Looks by the posts we most agree on CB RB and a Winger is a dire necessity for next season and you lads are SPOT ON.

    I know Hoilett dived against us but he would be terrifying in attack for us…and I think they should move very quickly on it…especially cause he is free…

  • 123 Toon-82 // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    I think Douglas and Clyne will be high on the list as there both out of contract in the summer. As for wingers, maybe Jarvis of Wolves?? Both footed and can play either wing, better than Obertan.

    I think about four players in during the summer, that will be first teamers, then it will be youth.

    Expect Abied, Ferguson, Vukic, Tavernier to be more involed next season.

    I wouldnt mind if we lost Smith, Perch, S.Ameobi, Simpson, Williamson, Lovenkrands, expect Harper to leave as well.

    There is alot of talk of Clyne and Zaha going to Newcastle in the summer, down in London.

  • 124 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    I would ship out but I somehow don’t see it happening:

    Simpson
    Willo
    Obertan
    Perch
    Xisco
    Ameobi
    Smith
    Loven
    Best

    Xisco wont go tho, Perch wont go too I reckon.

  • 125 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Toon-82

    on the Clyne and Zaha talk quite s strong rumour? Zaha I hear has no real end product or is that wrong to assume?

  • 126 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    I have reviewed each goal and analysed them carefully and this is my assessment:

    1st Goal
    Guthrie, Santon and Obertan in particular were responsible for the 1st goal. However they were playing against the MOTM in Adebayor who brushed aside Guthrie and Santon with consummate ease. Obertan in particulr was lazy and didn’t get back which left Assou-Ekotto completely unmarked (Obertans job to mark him as he is their left back).

    Fault: Obertan for lazy marking of Assou-Ekotto. Santon and Guthrie for allowing the movement and pass from Adebayor.

    2nd Goal
    Adebayor down the RW – Santon completely missing upfield. Sorry this is far too cavalier against spurs away. Collo found himself covering @ LB, but again an on-fire Adebayor gets a cross away as Collo didn’t get close enough, and the movement of Saha (who is an excellent forward by the way) was too much for Willo and Simpson. Willo didn’t know where he was as he had his back to him, and Simmo did, but failed to get in front of him.

    If Collo was in the middle where he should of been, he may well of cleared the ball so Santon’s forward play was the main cause of our defence being pushed out of shape for this goal. This is a worrying feature of Santon. I here him compared to Enrique on here but I tell you this – only going forward, his defensive play and positional sense is poor and he is causing our defence to loose its shape. As soon as Spurs won the ball (it was just outside their box) he should have belted downfield. He just entered our final third when the ball went in the net. That said it took spurs literally 10 secs to get the ball from outside their box to the back of our net. Their play on the break was world class yesterday.
    Fault: Santon terrible cavalier play away against spurs. He should have stayed back a lot more. Collo for allowing the cross, then Willo and Simmo poor position and awareness of Saha.

    3rd Goal
    First class movement from Modric resulted in this goal down the left. But first of all Obetan fails to press Assou-Ekotto, he just stands there and watches him pass to modric.

    Perch goes down too easy and tries a sliding tackle on Modric (who is also world class btw), who skipes past him. Guthrie fails to get tight and prevent the cross from Modric, Adebayor gets in front of Collo and tee’s it up for Saha, and Williamson fails to block the shot by staying on his feet and turning his back – straight thru his legs. Saylor would have dived on the floor to block (how many times have we seen that).

    Fault: Obertan, Perch and Guthrie all had chances to press play and get tight. Far too weak in the tackle. Collo for allowing adebayor in front of him and Willo for not blocking the shot effectively with his body.

    Goal 4
    Guthrie gets caught trying to do a ben arfa outside their box. Williamson doesn’t get tight again on Saha who cuts him and simmo out with one pass. Class movement from Bale as he skins simmo for pace, collo has to then come out of position which allows Adebayor a free shot which ricochet’s and absolutely no one was marking kranjcar who get another free shot and in. Where the HELL were he midfield when kranjcar scored – absolutely no where to be seem. Perch and Guthie were jogging back when the break started.

    There was a little bit fortune in this goal for spurs but their movement and pace were world class.

    Fault: Willo for not getting close to Saha, and Simmo who was skinned by bale. Collo who was dragged out of position (by simmo losing bale) and the midfield (perch and guthrie who were level with kranjcar when the break started) for not tracking him.

    Goal 5
    Assou-okotto with acres of space on the LW, Jonas (who probs had no legs by this stage) tries a feeble block 5 yards away from the player, collo fails to win the header against Saha and adebayor gets in front of willo.

    Fault: Jonas and Collo – tired, run ragged weak attempts to stop it. Willo – couldn’t stop the MOTM capping his display with a goal.

  • 127 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Conclusion (in order of weakness – worst first)

    Obertan (Terribly lazy defensively for two goals)

    Santon (not strong or aggressive enough to see a player off the field, how many times did we seen Enrique see a ball out – but early days)

    Guthrie (Pushed off the ball way too easy by big strong players)

    Perch (Out-paced and too weak against bigger stronger quality players)

    Willo (Didn’t get close enough, lacks pace and body-in-the-way mentality)

    Collo (got skinned a few times but was covering for Santon and Simpson)

  • 128 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    I see it like this. We have a top ten side already. Outside of catastrophe, weve shown we have enough back-up to be in the top ten. I do think we have gotten some results that flattered us a bit, especially in the last couple months. But, that being said, puts us in a position to be playing in Europe possibly next season. I for 1 think Champions league is out of the picture, but think Europa League is well in our grasp. So, if we were to enter the Europa League while having the exact same squad we have now, I think we will be sort of like Everton a few seasons back, stretched too thin. And it could be argued that the league backlash on them is being seen now.
    I have been so proud of the TEAM this year for just that reason, its been a long time since Ive seen the players fight for one another as i have this year on any consistent basis. Sure, we got it handed to us yesterday, but I dont know if that accurately portrays how weak we are, or how strong Tottenham are. I mean, ManU got thrashed in their own back yard by City, I dont think that showed how weak ManU are. Still a strong enough side to be pushing for the league atm.
    If Im to look at our squad with my brain and eyes and not my heart, I see us needing some strength in certain areas, especially if we are going to be attempting two campaigns next season. This “list” is under the assumption that we do not lose any of our starters.
    RB-I like Simpson, I think hes had some clearances off the goal line that have saved more points in comparison to his mistakes. I do not believe hes who we need at the next level. If hes squirming on a contract, I see cashing in on him and replacing him with someone who can get up the sideline and deliver a cross better, as well as can hold his own defensively.
    LW-I love Jonas, I love his work rate and heart. He does not produce enough of a final ball, never has contributed to goals much. The arguement that we need him for defensive cover is not enough for me. I think that shows a lack of having the right personnel at LB. I think of Bale for example, and how much I see him truly getting back to help defend. And while Im on the subject, the same applies for the reasoning for keep HBA on the bench. Should he be required to get back and help defend with Simpson as much as he is, or should his primary responsibility for the team be what his strengths are, going forward and creating. Possibly we already have this in Marveaux, I havent seen enough of him to be able to say for sure though.
    CB-Clear to see. We need pace in the position, the league were in requires it. For all of Williamsons strengths, pace isnt one of them. I am a fan of STaylor, but injuries have been a part of his game since I can remember.
    FW-I love our 2 starters, but looking down the list, were light. Shola…..what can be said of Shola that hasnt been already. 4th choice, late in the game, Im fine with if he wants to see out his days at the club. I prefer Best though as 3rd/4th in the lineup in comparison. I believe a young, talented striker would be in our best interests.
    I read the comments on here daily, very rarely leave my own opinions. I love our squad, Ive loved this season. Not just for the results, but for the attitude and display that weve shown with consistency more times then not. I do believe though, for the next level that we very well may find ourselves competing at very soon, some changes are needed.

  • 129 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    all u ppl on about hba leaving in the summer r a joke for starters what has he done to deserve to b playing n what is he doin to get in the team n the answer to both them is nothing, yes he scored a wonder a goal n a couple more but honestly when he plays does he ever control a game like silva or modric does no he more than often does nothing n before ppl have a go hba is my best player but the fact is he aint doin it atm n if all he can do about it is start to moan well what does that say about him

  • 130 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    also once cabaye n tiote r back i bet ya hba gets back in the team bcoz we hav better cm protecting the back 4

  • 131 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    team for the wolves game shud b this
    krul
    santon willo colo ferguson
    obertan tiote cabaye ben arfa
    cisse ba

  • 132 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    kayazirie

    SPOT ON on everything

    Davybtoon

    Appearances Modric vs Appearances HBA

    VS

    appearances full game vs sub 10 minutes

    should give you a bit of a clue..

    But HBA is a goner we have established that…

  • 133 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Santon and Obertan my biggest concern – they are starters afterall. Big part in the goals yesterday.

    Perch and Guthrie provide cover for Cabaye and Tiote.

  • 134 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    @davybtoon

    What has Obertan done to deserve to start?
    When does Obertan control a game?
    When does Obertan perform well defensively?
    How has Obertan earned his place in the starting 11 more than Hatem Ben Arfa?
    How can Hatem Ben Arfa control a game (like Modric and Silva) when he hasn’t had the opportunity to?

  • 135 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Barras

    what a smashing reply but he will probably comeback with HBA looses the ball and doesn’t try hard enough….

  • 136 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    gorgonzola n the reason modric gets games he makes things happen hba dosent n that is pardews point, pardew wouldnt mind him not tracking back n helping out if he was producing at the other end but he aint n until he does he wont get bk in the team

  • 137 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Why is everyone still going on about Arfa – he’s an offensive player and would have made little difference yesterday – it’s a different argument.

    Santon and Obertan were the biggest concern for me. Perch and Guthrie not great but they are 2nd string afterall and not known for their strength and pace.

    Willo wasn’t terrible – he was done for pace and movement a couple of times against world class players who were running down our wings and through the middle with ease.

    Collo was caught a few times covering for Simmo and Santon mainly.

  • 138 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    @gorgonzola

    Wow. An even worse reply than what I expected from him.

  • 139 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Davybtoon

    LIke I said look in the appearances coloumn under Wiki everything is there…. Modric has been placed in Spurs with a purpose. HBA to me seemed this season to be a I AM NOT SO SURE PLAYER role….

    To be honest to HBA Modric is a different type player in all spheres has no real pace and is more of a Cabaye type player….

    HBA as I said a few blog posts earlier, should have had a run of games as Obertan did, then you can judge him all you want, on the basis of 4-5 start stop games I am sorry you have nothing on him NOTHING…

    and him scoring some great goals doesn’t add up to your argument either…

    For instance Obertan has scored 1 goal…. has been found to be lazy has no real end product possibly worse or worse than Jonas, and looses the ball also in fact looses it way to many times what specifically does he do that he deserves a start all the time?

  • 140 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    gorgonzola yea does lose the ball n dosent track back name one thing hes done to b in the team

  • 141 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Cheers G-zola. Youre the first person to respond to a post of mine. Let me add that once again, I do love these players, but am trying to be honest in my assessment. Id love it if the ones we have would add to their game, I honestly dont want to see anyone go. But, I love the team beyond all else, and just want whats going to be the best for us.

    With HBA, barras, completely agree. What does Obertan offer more then HBA in peoples arguements on why HBA isnt in the team. Id hoped Obertan would come around, but he looks lost. Not a personal jab at the guy, but he doesnt know when to pass, when to hold, he looks like doesnt know what hes doing in a football 101 class. HBA surely has enough in him to warrant a place above Obertan, and, before I hear about a lack of defensive cover ability in HBA, why should that be HIS responsibility and not placed on Simpson? I for one am going to be gutted if we lose HBA without seeing anywhere near his potential for our team.

  • 142 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    @davybtoon

    Well we could start with him scoring, in Pardew’s words: “the best goal I’ve ever seen.”

  • 143 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Spuggy no he is talking the bigger picture not talking about yesterday in particular mate ….

    Barras I know mate….I know…

    And to be honest I have written him off, most possibly he wont be playing for NUFC next year or if he is still here it will be like Carlos Tevez which we cant afford and it will show how stupid Pardew is, so best is to sell him to avoid any more damage but also higher profile players will not be that keen to join with that example..not sure how they will fit in the Pardew mold…

  • 144 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    kayazirie

    “Id hoped Obertan would come around, but he looks lost.”

    SPOT on me to I desperately want him to start turning it on he has the potential he seems he is locked forever …

  • 145 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Davy – how and when can he show his ability without playing? You say he loses the ball…..fine, Ill give you that. He has, but could that not be in trying his absolute hardest to do something magical in his limited time on a pitch to win over not only the manager but fans that have an opinion on him like yourself? Seriously, how can he iron out kinks in his otherwise very impressive game if he isnt given a chance?

  • 146 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    “gorgonzola yea does lose the ball n dosent track back name one thing hes done to b in the team”

    you sir are I am sorry to say LYING…go get the Brighton game on tape, online whatever whenever he lost the ball he made sure he got it back or tied to…I dont see Obertan, Perch, Jonas, keep the ball that well either….difference here is HBA tries to do something with the ball …..

    anyhow sick of HBA talk ….will sell him to make you fans happy…

  • 147 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    And before you give your reason, keep in mind the player keeping him out of the RW position is Obertan. Would you honestly be able to say, for whatever your reasons, that Obertan possesses enough to warrant that??

  • 148 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    We seriously better not sell him. I need to start planning how I am going to pacifistically deal with the frustration if that happens.

    Tiote
    Cabaye Gutierrez
    Hatem Ben Arfa

    Its just a dream. Recognise the dream Pardew, please!

  • 149 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    The easiest way to settle any HBA doubts is simple..

    HBA will be shipped as Pardew did NOT PLAY him often enough end of.

    Obertan had the entire season to show what he is worth and HBA had a few starting games and mostly 10 -15 minutes sub games.

    end of…. end of… If you are so unhappy about him stop inquiring about him all the damn time. He will most probably be sold I will be massively sad and I think its a huge loss but stranger things have happened….

  • 150 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Ok on Arfa….

    I don’t think it’s his workrate, it’s his decision making, there have been numerous times when he has had a good ball on and he’s ignored it in favour of taking on three players, THEN loses the ball.

    That said, he’s done some good stuff too and deserves a chance, especially playing with Ba and Cisse who make runs. On the back of Obertan’s lazy play yesterday he deserves a chance. However, if Raylor is fit he will be played ahead of both.

  • 151 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    barras I reckon he is a goner mate …I really do I cant see how he will manage to watch of this if has 15 milligrams of ego in him.

    Hey we lost great players before its not the first time…

    Jury is out on HBA but since we wont see him we will NEVER know

  • 152 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    yea gorgonzola the brighton were he was so magical i think performances like that maybe the reason he isnt in the team,n for the record i want hba in the team aswell but not for obertan i want him in for jonas is possibly the worst winger at the club atm

  • 153 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Spuggy

    “gorgonzola yea does lose the ball n dosent track back name one thing hes done to b in the team”

    TBF…Obertan has the poorest decision making quality at the club in my view. You see you and other DO MAKE VALID points but they fall flat on the face cause of a man called Obertan who in my view has done worse off in the time he played than HBA…considering HBA started a million times as a sub never really got to play his game or control it never had the OK to do what he wants yet Obertan has exactly that…

  • 154 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Davy, seriously? Not attacking you man, but I just dont see how you think that. Could you name 1 attribute that Obertan possesses that Jonas clearly does not?

  • 155 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    to many negative ppl on this blog like used to fun on here now all ppl wanna do is bitch n moan ffs were 6th in the league n a point of 4th place

  • 156 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    @davybtoon

    Thank you for providing the necessary evidence to everyone on this blog, that you fail to understand football.

    “for the record i want hba in the team aswell but not for obertan i want him in for jonas is possibly the worst winger at the club atm” – I have faith you can bolster your knowledge, seriously I really do.

  • 157 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    I think we cannot afford to have average wingers in our club we have a history of superb wingers.

    Ginola, Robert, Gillespie etc…

    Now if that is HBA or whoever I don’t really care but what we have now is not working.

    the whole tracking back to save the RB or LB is chocking our play, sorry but the day we sort that out we will know we have a killer team…

  • 158 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    @gorgonzola

    I refuse to accept that yet. We have so many games still to play for the rest of the season. Pardew said today he learned somethings after yesterday. Hopefully one of those is that Hatem Ben Arfa is a better football player than Obertan.

  • 159 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    Btoon

    “to many negative ppl on this blog like used to fun on here now all ppl wanna do is bitch n moan ffs were 6th in the league n a point of 4th place”

    What kind of a cop-out comment is that…all we have been doing here is writing down where we can have improvements or POSITIVES for next year…

    go join the dumb bandwagon….with childish “whyyys soo neegaatvive”

    Yuck….

  • 160 davybtoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    jonas does nothing yet u ppl seem to think hes a million times better than obertan, he dosent cross, he dosent take ppl on any more the same things obertan gets slated for n if marveux wasnt injured jonas wouldnt even b in the team, u lot hav double standards u rip obertan apart after every game yet jonas is jus as bad

  • 161 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    davybtoon

    I don’t think Jonas is great either read some posts, you will see lots of ppl have noticed he as come off the gas pedal ever since he signed the contract and Marveaux is injured…

  • 162 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    I would rather see A Pardew leave b4 HBA

  • 163 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    “jonas does nothing” – I did read on, but I wish I didn’t.

    He covers more ground than 95% of the players in the premier league. Our defense rely on him, and that’s not a good thing but its the truth. He’s also a superb dribbler of the ball, he keeps the possession to take the pressure off our other players, wins free-kick which sometimes result in goals and does get assists, yes he could get more, but because of the other parts to his game what I have just mentioned he is irreplaceable to us.

  • 164 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    toonruz

    I cant say I fully agree but i can understand you.

  • 165 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Because i am sick of watching hoof ball at least HBA is ENTERTAINING pardew method of playin is not

  • 166 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Barras he is on his day, but he has definitely slacked of wich saddens me I dunno if he is just getting tired and might as well could be he has like started every game no?

  • 167 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Obertan does the exact opposite. He does not cover the defense, he is not a good dribbler, he does not keep possession, he does not have a good work-rate, he invites pressures onto our other players.

  • 168 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    “Obertan does the exact opposite. He does not cover the defense, he is not a good dribbler, he does not keep possession, he does not have a good work-rate, he invites pressures onto our other players.”

    that however is true

  • 169 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Obertan is shit

  • 170 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Gorg @ 153 I didnt make those comments???!!

  • 171 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    @gorgonzola

    I’m afraid I disagree, he didn’t have a good game against Tottenham but before that he was still performing like the normal, superb Jonas Gutierrez. Alex McCleish suggested that we won the game against Aston Villa last week because of Gutierrez…I could not agree more.

  • 172 Dannyo // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    @davy
    Agreed, this blog is getting crowded by keyboard warriors who think they’re the best thing since the wheel. AP out? Bashing players? Shortsightedness? I’ve got no time for it. Where are those who actually have some proper oppinions, and are not strung up in one thought.
    It’s a shame, its ruining the blog.

  • 173 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    To be fair Obertan had a better game against Villa and probably earned a start against the spuds – but he had a part to play in two goals. Lazy.

    Jonas was excellent against villa.

  • 174 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    Alex McCleish is the same type of manager as pardew may be a bit more defenceive , he played heskey ahead of zog today no wonder zogbia is pissed off there
    Barras

  • 175 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    Sorry spuggy sh+te

  • 176 Wor Shearer // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    I think you lot need to chill out for a second. We are not a top 4 club, obviously. We can’t spend like a champions league until we get in the champions league and we can’t get in the champions league until we spend like a club that is… so forget those positions.

    With the team we have now, we’re fighting for fifth. Even with the whole Arfa Vs Ober ‘tracking back’ debate and our horrific lack of quality cover in ALL but one position (CM), we still have a better 1st team man-for-man than those teams 8th-last.

    Effectively the argument is, can we improve our WHOLE squad (not just the first team) enough to challenge Liverpool and Chelsea (or Arsenal)?

    I, for one, don’t think Ashley will ever put the kind of money in that the others have. This means we have to keep this season’s 1st team players at all costs. We need players like Willo, Ober and Simmo as cover. We simply don’t have the money to replace them AND add more quality on top.

  • 177 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    “AP out? Bashing players? Shortsightedness?”

    ah crap here we go..

    Jesus….

  • 178 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    I too am sick of the HBA crowd – we are not a one-man team and I’d put Cabaye, Tiote, Collo, Krul, Ba and Cisse on my team sheet before HBA anyway. I’d still like to see him get a chance though – especially with Cisse and Ba up front, and I think he will when Tiote and Cabaye return.

    And for those saying we play hoof ball I think we’re a far cry from the Allardyce days. We have scored incredible goals this season, it’s been a long time since we’ve had a midfield, but we do now.

  • 179 kayazirie // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Barras/G-zola – combined, I think you two just about covered my entire response. Couldnt agree more.
    Davy – Im glad I dont see things as you see them. No negativity, Im absolutely, positively glad about that…..
    No matter whatever, were all gonna make it brothers :)

  • 180 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Dannyo
    i travel home and away with newcastle and a lot of fans who travel with me have the same opinon as me we all carnt be wrong pardew been lucky on more than acasion this season , ive seen it with my own eyes , pardew is getting away with it next season we may not be so lucky

  • 181 gorgonzola // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    “Willo, Ober and Simmo as cover. We simply don’t have the money to replace them AND add more quality on top.”

    willo cost us how much and Simmo too? 500 K? They are VERY replaceable in my book. If its a no go ok. but bring in better players keep them as cover as you say is cool not other way around..

  • 182 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    @ Wor shearer 176

    Great post totally agree. We are were we are. We have a top 6 first team IMO, if miraculously everyone was fit the whole season. Our second string is poor against QUALITY opposition.

  • 183 Widowmaker // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:15 PM

    Dannyo

    Just to remind you that you are agreeing with a guy who was bashing Jonas earlier

  • 184 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Pardew is not mourinho we know that. But He is still learning and developing himself, I think he deserves a chance to see where he takes us at the end of the season, luck or no luck he’s still done incredibly well – and we should judge him on results.

    I’m sorry but you can’t be lucky all season, that’s unfair. Our very poor performances have happened when we’ve been short of our top quality players, which suggests it’s more about the players to me.

    You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

  • 185 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    @Dannyo

    “Bashing players? Shortsightedness?”

    I certainly fail to see mine, Spuggy’s , Kayazirie’s or Gorgonzola’s comments to come under those themes. Obertan is not playing well enough to earn a starting place, that’s not insulting his persona, that’s us criticizing his game this season. Only robotic fans who clearly lack any sort of vision can happily defend a hypocritical team selection when it results in us losing 5-0 etc.

    I said its hypocritical because not playing Hatem Ben Arfa, because he loses the ball and doesn’t work hard enough is not necessarily true. Whilst those points actually do apply to Obertan’s game.

  • 186 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    For me, neither Obertan or Arfa have proved themselves yet. And yes, Arfa need a few more games.

    End of.

  • 187 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    I don’t want Alan Pardew to leave or get sacked. I think he has done a cracking job. I just hope that after he has said that he learned a lot yesterday that this results in him acknowledging that Williamson, Simpson, Perch and Obertan should either be sold or relegated to the bench. And also through doing that, giving Ben Arfa the chance he thoroughly deserves.

  • 188 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Last point, I also think defending Pardew’s choice of picking Williamson, Simpson, Perch and Obertan is thoroughly shortsighted as you are failing to visualise us improving and accepting watching performances like last nights.

  • 189 Klatoon // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Its about getting the best out of the players you have,Obertan can be a good impact player for the last 10-15 min. The away win at Bburn is a good example

  • 190 Marty-Toon // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Lets face i,
    we are an inconsistent team.
    Lucky enough for us so are a lot of teams especially Pool,Arsenal and Chelsea
    Other teams are consistent like Bolton Blackburn Wolves n the like.
    To all the HBA lovers and haters
    It doesn`t matter who we play on the wing as they`re so inconsistent.
    Rayls is the only dependable one as he can defend,deliver crosses and take on a player.
    Jonas,HBA and Obertan have been poor but Jonas keeps his place because of his workrate and defensive qualities.
    HBA would work in a 5man midfield better as a CAM the other 4 pressurising the opposition and winning the ball and using HBA aas the link up player between Cabaye and Ba or Cisse
    Otherwise i don`t think HBA is useful at the moment with our poor defence the way it is.
    Wolves were lowful defending today and if we canny beat em at our place then we really are in need of a rethink of why we sign these players if they can`t cut it.
    As collo did and many others needed time in the PL to adjust then lets hope our wingers do too.
    WHen our midfield has been solid so has our defence.
    Reckon Simmo is decent but if he aint gettin help from midfield then we get destroyed-everyone needs to do their jobs like

  • 191 pengy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:30 PM

    the truth is we will never know how ben arfa can fit in to the team if he doesn’t get a afew games playing the full ninety minutes but i am getting tired of jonas and weak crosses defensively he’s great but going forward he offers nothing imo.

  • 192 Premiership Manager // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    If they are going to buy players they need to but the right players for the positions where we are weakest.

    Players we could lose are Simpson, Tiote, Ba, Collo, Guthrie and Krull. I also wouldn’t be surprised if one of the top teams come sniffing forSteven Taylor.

    Guthries, Simpsons and Collo’s contracts should be sorted as a prioity however if we lost Simpson I dare say many fans wouldn’t be too worried.

    Collo would be missed however he’s coming to the end of his career so it’s likely he’ll be offered a contract but as to whether he will accpt it or not is another thing.

    I would give Guthrie a new contract tomorrow and given that we still have Cabaye, Tiote, Gosling. and Abeid I’m surprised we are looking for a CCM. In addition we also have Raylor, Guterz, Marvax, Santon, Vukic and HBA who can all play in CM I’m a bit bemused.

    Up front we have Ba, Cisse, Aemobi, Sammy Aemobi, Best, Ranger and HBA so although we could bring in a young player unless we are resigned to losing Ba I don’t know if we really need somebody.

    At the back we are definitely short and a central defender is a must. We could also do with a dedicated LB .

    The one position where we fail week in week out is on the wings. Marvaux is a natural winger but is injury prone. HBA, Obertan and Guterez all like to cut in and are easy to defend against.

    Ferguson is young and will develop but we need wingers who can cross the ball and until Pardue and Ashey address this we will struggle to beat some of the better teams.

  • 193 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    i got the sence yesterday when we were comeing out of ground a lot of fans were sick of pardew poor sub makeing , and the way we play our football , i all so got the impression that he is starting to lose the crowd , people saying things that i never heard people saying b4 , and a few were kicking off about the fulham game to

  • 194 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    @ MArty

    Good post, totally agree.

    Simpson and Willo will always be out-paced, it’s their weakness, but when you have two of the hardest working midfielders in Cabaye and Tiote then they are not so exposed.

    Santon, Obertan and Afra are ALL suspect defensively for different reasons.

  • 195 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    On a different note, Fergy looked good on the ball – I think Santon and Marveaux could be our wingers next season if Arfa doesn’t find his feet.

  • 196 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    And I mean Santon on the RW and Marv on the LW (both in more natural positions). IF Santon doesn’t improve defensively (like enrique did) then that’s where to play him.

  • 197 Marty-Toon // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    BARRAS:::
    WHo do you suggest that AP uses instead of Perch,Willo,Obertan and Simmo???
    Maybe HBA at CB???
    Just takin the mick like.
    HBA or Obertan for the right wing but they both suck by leaving Simmo exposed with several 2 on 1 situations,we need them to be team players both offemsively and defensively

  • 198 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Talking to myself haha

  • 199 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    @ Marty

    You talk a lot of sense mate. Spot on again.

  • 200 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Marty-Toon
    dont put ben arfa on the right he needs to play on the left every 1 will see a different player on the left with in HBA

  • 201 Dannyo // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Right.
    – Pardews “luck”. We’ve got a good first 11, we all know that, when all fit, and when we had all fit, we had a 11 matches unbeaten run. Also, Raylor played LB, had we had a better LB, we might have even let less of them goals in. We lost Saylor and Marveux, Saylor being a huge blow. Then there’s been suspensions, ACN, more injuries…
    Now we’re 6th and a single point from 4th after 25 games. Meaning despite our losses, we’re still mantaining a decent momentum. Luck? No. Hard work? Yes.
    – HBA is not getting into the team cause he’s not working his socks off. In a team with severe frailties like ours, u cannot afford to have a player not working and tracking back.
    Why do u think Shola is often quickly omitted when players like Best, Ba and Cisse are available?
    Hard work is what is covering up much of our weaknesses allot of the time.
    U say Messi looses the ball allot, well my word, look at who he has to win it back.

    Pardew is working wonders with what we have, and no other coach would’ve gotten it any better. And that is the truth.

  • 202 Spuggy // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    Poke me in the eye and call me crazy but I’d like to try this until we can sign a quality defensive FB…

    ……………………Krul

    Simmo……Willo…..Collo…..Raylor

    Santon…..Cabaye…Tiote…Jonas/Arfa

    ………………..Ba…………………………….
    ………………………….Cisee……………….

  • 203 Marty-Toon // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    Spuggy,
    agree that Fergie looked pretty good.
    Jonas also looked better on the right.
    HBA can play in the silva or Nasri role but they also need the right players around them like Yaya Toure or De Jong and they have quality hard workers on the wing like Johnson or Milner
    We don`t have that all over the park to let him venture aropund the field as he will

    Gotta go

  • 204 toonruz // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Dannyo
    your wrong i know a coach who could do better than pardew keegan could for 1 and many more

  • 205 Barras // Feb 12, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    @Marty-Toon

    My concern is that Pardew is trying to offer Simpson a new deal, meaning that Simpson is in his plans for the future – if Simpsons future at Newcastle United is as a squad player then fair enough he deserves that. For the rest of the season I would use Cabaye instead of Perch, Hatem Ben Arfa instead of Obertan and R.Taylor instead of Simpson, and unfortunately we don’t have any other choice than Williamson for CB until the summer. But because of that we need to stop playing the high line.

    I know your going to say Cabaye has been un-available so Perch had to play – wrong. Abeid is a better football player.

    And then your going to say R.Taylor has been un-available so Simpson had to play – Pardew has picked Simpson ahead of R.Taylor on many occasions when both are fit, and I personally would be surprised if Tavernier was any worse than Simpson.

    And then your going to say Obertan offers more to the team than Ben Arfa, and for that argument I have just spent an hour of my time talking about. And the conclusion is obvious.

  • 206 Troleibusiukas_LTU // Feb 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    FOR ME THE BEST TEAM AT THE MOMENT IS :

    ================KRUL===========

    ==========WILLO===COLO========

    SANTON========TIOTE======JONAS

    =======CABAYE======GUTHRIE=====

    ===HBA========CISSE======BA=====

    Hba – free role and Ba more as a striker
    or play HBA behind Dembas.

    THEN EVERYONE IS FIT:

    =============KRUL=============

    ========COLO=====SAYLOR======

    SANTON=====TIOTE=========JONAS

    =HBA======CABAYE======MARVEUX

    ========CISSE=====BA============

    subs:Haprs, Guthie, Tavernier, Willo, Raylor, Vukcic, Best.

  • 207 Sir Braveheart // Feb 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Reality check time. The spine of our team is top 4 quality, Krul, Saylor, Colo, Tiote, Cabaye, Ba, Cisse could all fit into a top 4 team. The rest of our squad is top 10 quality. Thats the reality. What people forget is 2 years ago today we were playing in the championship. We havent spent tens of millions in our squad yet we’re top 7 material.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

    We’re doing fantastically as a club, on the field, financially,and less dramas off the field. We’ve got a plan for the future and we’re heading in the right direction. We’re not going to be top 4, yet, but the way we’re headung we could be in 2-3 years.

    Have some faith. Some players will go, some will come in. Trust the club to make the right decisions. They havent been off the mark much recently.

  • 208 Lynxie // Feb 13, 2012 at 8:25 AM

    Watched the first half again last night. Can someone answer me this.

    Why is it that our RB (Super Simmo) thinks he is the one who needs to constantly make our attacking thrust ? This is confusing considering:
    a) He can not get back when he eventually (inevitably) loses the ball, and leaves the defensive duties to a RW who has not got a brain, is chronicly lazy, and is the biggest coward since Dyer.
    b) We already have a winger, albeit one who has twice as much pace (alledgedly), but can not defend for his life, cannot beat a man, cannot cross, and can not provide a telling final ball.

    And I would like to close out the discussion on Simpsons 3 goal line clearances which have gained us soooooooo many points this season. I counter that with the 12 + goals which have come down the right side this season, because his defending is absolutely wink (misprint). Thi slist of wingers that have tormented Simpson is embarrassing. Surely Raylor is nailed on for that RB spot now, considering he has learned how to defend this season.Otherwise, the Wolves game might turn into the Matt Jarvis show. Jarvis is just the type of player (Or Steven Hunt, who may come on as sub) who can cause us HUGE problems in 2 weeks time. Mick McCarthy will have surely identified our weakest link. You heard it here first….




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