Let’s Not Be Too Hard On Newcastle Or Pardew


It’s never good to get hammered by a score of 5-0.

Alan Pardew – not happy on Saturday

And it’s even worse when you put in one of the worst performances of the season.

And that’s what happened to Newcastle on Saturday at White hart Lane, when we went into that game having won five of the last seven league games and we were 5th top of the league and on a high.

Alan Pardew was even a little gung ho when he said his side would attack Tottenham.

But we were simply creamed,  and met a side we couldn’t live with in that first half, and we were 4-0 down after only 34 minutes and it was like the Arsenal game last February all over again.

But there would be no comeback on Saturday, and we did well to to concede only one more goal during the whole game.

The 5-0 scoreline shattered our goal difference, but that’s about all, because we don’t expect to go to a top four side and win there.

And Alan Pardew has come out and accepted the responsibility of the defeat,  and all good leaders do that, and shield their teams from too much criticism.

Alan thought we played in too attacking a formation in 4-4-2.

But this is Newcastle, and the fans are passionate to the extreme, so there has been much criticism and a lot of it has even been over the top.

But this is also the best side we’ve had since Bobby Robson managed the club, and after all we did have three of our best players missing last Saturday – Yohan Cabaye, Cheick Tiote and Ryan Taylor and they will all be back for the next game.

That’s at home against Wolves a week come Saturday, and we will be expected to win that game, and if we don’t there’s every right not to be happy.

But we are nowhere near the team that Tottenham looked on Saturday, let’s just remember that.

But all that tells Alan Pardew and the Newcastle Board is how and where we have to further improve the side to challenge in that top four.

And it’s amazing that Newcastle are still just one point our of 4th place right now, after spending so little money on building the side last summer,  although we did dish out £9M for Papiss Cisse, who looks worth every penny.

So maybe we need to cool it just a bit and support the lads big time against Wolves, and maybe a win there and we could even find ourselves in 4th place in the league table.

It wasn’t pretty on Saturday, but if you look at the big picture, then Newcastle are still having a fantastic season.

And that cannot be bad.

Howay The Lads!!



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28 comments so far

  • toonincheek

    Feb 14, 2012 at 8:54 AM

    Comment #1

    Spurs were on top form, everything fell for them (including our defence!) – 5 goals from 7 on target.

    Let’s keep things in perspective and move on.

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  • Papi_Demba

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #2

    gorgonzola made an interesting point yesterday. I am personally yet to see AP’s tactical abilities he seems to be outwitted by Opposing managers and he has no response. Fairplay against Spurs he stopped further damage but we have lost games this season that we should have won with better tactics (Fulham-thumping). Credit to being were are in the League but we have to be honest and admit fortune has been on our side but im yet to see tactical ability. Credit goes for the UTD game but of the 25 we have played i think we have been dissappointing in more that we have excelled…

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  • Dannyo

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:10 AM

    Comment #3

    @papi
    Tactic matters little if u don’t have players suited for it. Do tell me how u’d exepct us to beat tottenham with the players we had available with different tactics.

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  • Sir freddy shep

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #4

    papoop@ 3 fck off man ya brain dead c unt.

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  • Sir freddy shep

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #5

    @2

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  • gorgonzola

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #6

    “Tactic matters little if u don’t have players suited for it”

    coudlnt agree more so lets get real here and try and get rid of

    Willo
    Simpson
    Obertan
    Perch

    In fairness Dannyo Fulham game and villa game had some tactical bluders that could have been avoided…. Papi is talking in general why do people always bring it back to the tottenham game is beyond me..

    Its the we are in 6th argument and its we couldn’t have done anything vs tottennham argument…

    But we could have done something against

    QPR
    VILLA
    BLACKBURN
    FULHAM
    NORWICH
    SWANSEA

    to name a few

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  • gorgonzola

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #7

    “papoop@ 3 fck off man ya brain dead c unt.”

    what is wrong with you?

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  • RonVanDam

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #8

    Instead of going to France to get players. Go to Spain, Paraguay….. south american countries. While there, get 2 very good left and right wingers. They will cost less than 10m in total. Guti and Ober arent cutting it anymore. Dont getting me started on injury prone Marvaux. If you want to boost your attack, thats what u need.
    We already have 2 top strikers and 3 very good midfilders.

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  • spitfire_

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #9

    How we can’t be too hard with Pardew when he fucked up the tactics and thats from the start. How on earth Pardew saw that Guthrie and Perch can handle alone with Parker and Modric? The last two games blinds Pardew for Perch.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #10

    Dannyo,
    Sorry to jump in. Wolves and Fulham did it (draw, no win necessary). Are they better than us? We could’ve not played a high line against a fast team. We could’ve played HBA, in order to at least make them think there might be a break. We could’ve filled the MF, instead of Cisse, who is still green in the PL. etc. I just really hope AP knows what he’s doing.

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  • Gash

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:22 AM

    Comment #11

    Lets not forget Stephen Taylor. He definitely mad a big difference to our defence playing alongside Colo. And I think his presence helped Simpson as well. He is a bit brash at times and gung ho but every player on that field knows he is there. That type of presence was missing on Saturday and we crumbled. Lets move on now and get behind the team and manager. We all have ideas on who we would like as manager and players we would love to have… but we’ve got what we have and they are doing alright. Our run in isnt too bad and if we win the games we should at home and away we will in my opinion finish 5th……. But i’d just love it ” if we got 4th..haha

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM

    Comment #12

    We have been unbelievably lucky this season even though we put in a abysmal perform game after game. Yet grinding results out.

    With the same team and if opponents had buried their numerous chances, we could have easily been in the bottom 6. Pure luck, krul and Ba.

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  • geoff777

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #13

    I saw the list of matches posted yesterday by Beattie or Gorgonzola.

    It’s hard to disagree with any of the summaries.

    We’re playing 4-4-2 and 2-0 down after a few minutes.
    Change formation …?

    Jol changed his formation in the Fulham game and look what happened. If it isn’t working fix it!

    We never seem to have a plan b.
    Are we lucky to be a point off a CL spot … hell yes.
    Having said that there have been some really gutsy defensive performances too.

    Let’s make the most of our luck and hopefully we’ll get some more.

    HWTL

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  • spitfire_

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #14

    How we can’t be too hard with Pardew after his fucked up tactics? We lose the game even before the game was on. How on earth Pardew saw that Guthrie and Perch can handle Modric and Parker… ALONE! The two games before Spurs make Pardew even more blind for Perch. I think Pardew have a affair with Perch. How he can’t see that he’s awful and continue with praises but in the same time he saw that HBA defensively sucks. After games like last one I think that John Carver have bigger contribution to the team than Pardew. The team is a team but this is making in the training ground meanwhile the tactics during the games is shite in the most of times.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #15

    Geoff

    I find myself agreeing with you again!!!!!!!! Tbh don’t see how anyone can’t.really.

    Ironic comments from Freddy Shep as reading those, you immediately think pot kettle black. lol!!

    It’s sad people come on here calling people idiots and morons just for having different opinons to themselves.

    I would say the board is a 50/50 split on Pardew, Benny and other matters.

    I think it all comes down to what people’s perceptions are. Some people like to see expansive football with players like Cabaye and Benny playing in an exciting and pleasing to watch style, a la Spurs.

    Other people care only about the results , nothing more. Allardyce and Pardew employ a high line, 442, long ball and a physical approach, sacrificing skill and flair for an English style if you will.

    Well we are 6th. But how we got there is undoubtably largely down to BA and Krul’s indiviidual brilliance at vital times. But again like a….holes, it’s opinions and everyone’s got one.

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  • Papi_Demba

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

    Comment #16

    I agree Tactics would require players and my point wasnt centred on the Spurs game but is my overall view. we have to solidier on but at the same time be honest with ourselves and the unfortunate reality is Luck is been on our side. I feel HBA could be utilised more as i think with time can create more for the strikers. Obertan should just be offloaded as i fail to see his impact.

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  • derekm

    Feb 14, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #17

    papi demba – very unfair to argue Pardews tactical nous – how quickly have you forgotten the demolition of Manu?

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  • Papi_Demba

    Feb 14, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #18

    derekm – in my first comment i fully complimented our performance in that game.

    Of the 25 games we have played how many of those can u single out?? i cant see u listing 10. I think Rotonda & geoff777 have exchoed my views. If luck is what we have then we should ride it. I feel its important to accept reality so as not to be shocked when disaster strikes.

    7pts from the next 3 games would do me will be tough but i think if we grind some more then who knows.

    would just love to see:
    krul
    Colo Willi
    danny Santon
    Tiote
    Cabaye Jonas
    HBA Cisse BA

    But again thats my opinion…

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  • fungus44

    Feb 14, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #19

    if the ones on here that criticize the manager on his tactics could do better why are they not in his job let him do his and enjoy our season we are doing better than any one thought we would.l

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  • Fenham Boy

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #20

    What is this pap that Pardew is peddling that we had three of our first choice midfielders missing on Saturday. Cabaye and Tiote I agree; but Ryan Taylor a top class midfielder? No way. What does he have in his locker that makes him a top class midfielder? Nowt!

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  • ToonHeart

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #21

    Look guys, we’ve had some great games this season. We still need to build our team!
    It’s funny how everyone is fine with Pardew if we win, even when I notice we had good luck for some of the game.

    mistakes will be made by ALL teams in PL. We are still finding ourselves. Pardew has a contract and idea’s, he can’t be right all the time. yeah so we lost by too many goals with a couple of games doesn’t mean pardew is an idiot just means he will learn over time.. once he has a few seasons as manager and he’s still making these silly mistakes then fine but give him a chance. I’ve been more excited about this team than I have in over 10 years.. I was well pissed off with the last game but I thought about it and knew with Pardew as manager I’ve seen some amazing games.. (Arsenal last season, man U this year.. Cisse’s first goal) – I’m just giving the manager time before I bitch at him and others on this site!!

    Sometimes I feel I’m coming to a Newcastle United Hate blog!

    Stand by our manager and team. I’m sure they will continue to surprise us and surely mess a game or two up yet. But who cares. onwards and upwards 😀

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  • weg

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #22

    I think Pardew, on the whole, has been pretty sound tactically. A few mistakes here and there, but quite good. Even the better managers we’ve had in recent years have made some mistakes. Against norwich he had few options to play CB and we got muscled out of it. Against Liverpool, they just wanted it more than us. Against Spurs, we were overrun and outplayed by the best midfield in the league IMO – we needed 4-5-1! The whole team underperformed on Saturday. We gave them too much time and space to play and they punished us. We’ve done pretty well considering the losses of key players since the end of november. Lets not forget, we’re a point and goal difference away from a CL spot, and Tiote and Cabaye are about to return.
    For every tactical mistake Pardew might have made, there are several good things he has done.
    As for the abuse aimed at Papi_Demba from Sir freddy shep, just for having a different opinion – there’s just no call for it. Someone needs his head examined!!! Pay no attention Papi_Demba!

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  • Jonty

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #23

    There’s some great tacticians on here who obviously know far more than Pardew, Carver etc. Should do this, do that, I bow to your superior knowledge. Give it a rest. We are doing very well overall. Yes some poor results but some really good ones as well. I agree with ToonHeart it’s like an NUFC hate blog. Constructive crticism is ok but abuse is way out of order.

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  • Munster Mag

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #24

    Again, too many Barcelona watchers on this site. Pardew doesnt play long ball football. A lot of what he plays is through midfiled. Its class ic english football – a bit direct , yes, but its not like watching Bolton under Allardyce, Wimbledon or Stoke. We play the same style as the likes of Everton , and they’d swap with us gladly. I didnt hear you complaining when Man U were being beaten, or when Stoke were played off their own turf. Yes, we have a huge work rate, and that can detract from the style, but without that we;d be about 12th. Smell the coffee boys, and show some gratitude.

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  • Papi_Demba

    Feb 14, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #25

    There is no love lost. People will always differ in opinions and its worth expressing a different view if u feel its worth it.

    AP wants HBA to improve and feels he isnt there yet rates Obertan and plays him more when a lot will agree with me otherwise. Such is football

    I just hope AP will convince me more in a way i can accept. Credit to him because at the end of the Day when the sun settles he is the Manager and has taken us to 6th.

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  • John

    Feb 14, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #26

    We badly need a good LB and move Santon over to RB it we always seem to rushing out to spend our little cash on ST wen we badly need cover in RB and LB and the wings where we spend 10mill on a ST we spend 2/3 on that ST supply line which was always a weakness of the nufc teams down the years, to be honest I cud see Colo been left go, and if we could get Samba or Yanga id say thanks colo for your efforts he is the one player that I love to hate he does brill things and the stupiest things at the same time he is pushing on now as well I can see MA looking at it like he did with Nolan, Jose, Barton and saying your wage demands are big, your age is big, I am gona pass. We still have Taylor and Willi complment that with Samba or Yanga and its not bad.

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  • toonincheek

    Feb 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Comment #27

    Opinion spilt between expansive football and grinding out results?
    I don’t think so.

    We ALL would love to see fast attacking skilful football, but we don’t yet have the players to adopt those tactics in all matches.

    I would suggest opinion is divided between

    Those who recognise this, and will accept some results obtained by grinding out a result, playing a more attacking formation when we are up against the weaker teams (dodgy call, that one), waiting for the team to improve, and

    Those who want to see attacking football, come what may, and if we are too attacking and come unstuck (as we did last weekend) . . . .well then, I guess it must the manager who isn’t up to it.

    AP has frequently changed formation/tactics at half time, with generally positive results.

    It was Spurs day last Saturday – they played at the top of their form, everything just seemed to fall into place for them. Doesn’t mean our tactics are crap.
    Although, as AP said, his tactics last Saturday (trying to play attacking football) were the root cause of the rout.

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  • ende

    Feb 14, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #28

    Let’s focus on some positives.. like that tie. We have by far the best dressed Manager in the Prem!

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