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Newcastle Will Try For Top Four Next Season

12:57 pm, Saturday, February 18th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 281 Comments

Bobby Moncur has talked well of both Danny Guthrie and James Perch today.

Bobby Moncur – his comments are always sensible

Since we lost Tiote and Ba to the African Cup of Nations after the Manchester United game, the only time we really missed our African players were in the two games in London, when we were hammered 5-2 at Fulham and 5-0 last Saturday at White Hart Lane.

And of course Ba and Cisse played in the game last Saturday.

The only other time we lost a game was in the FA Cup,  but there was no way we should have lost at Brighton, and we’ll put that down to bad luck.

And in the other four games we won – against Blackburn in the FA Cup and then against QPR, Blackburn and Aston Villa in the league, although for the Villa game we did have Ba and Cisse playing, and they scored two excellent goals.

And we had the added difficulty of losing Yohan Cabaye for the last three games, and that hasn’t helped much either.

In the games that Cheick Tiote has been away we won four and lost three – and that was since the demolition of Manchester United at St. James’ Park by a score of 3-0 – I get that one in whenever I can – you may have noticed that. :D

Bobby Moncur has thought the lads who have come in have done well, and we agree with Bobby on that.

This is what the former Newcastle captain said today:

“It’s great that Tiote and Cabaye are back.” “But I think it’s unfair to say that United have missed them badly.”

“Most of the results while they’ve been out have been good, and Danny Guthrie and James Perch were tremendous against Blackburn and Aston Villa.”

“Tiote and Cabaye are probably first-choice when they’re available, they’re key players.” “Against a top, top side like Tottenham, you can probably get away with being without one.”

“Two is a different matter.” “But you can’t blame Guthrie and Perch, that was just one of those days.”

“They’re important parts of the squad and it would be disrespectful to them to suggest that United have struggled without the so-called bigger names.“

Moncur’s comments are always sensible and he makes some good points, but of course he was a hugely experienced player and a great Newcastle captain and center-back in his day.

We do think both Danny Guthrie and James Perch did themselves no harm while playing for Newcastle while the African stars and Cabaye were out.

And James Perch amazed some of us with his excellent performances at Brighton, Blackburn and at home to Aston Villa, and he’s come good this season - and that’s to his great credit.

Newcastle need more players like Guthrie and Perch in the squad,  who can come into the side and get the job done while the bigger names are out for whatever reason, and it’s well done to Perch and Guthrie for doing that.

It’s very hard to blame the two of them for the debacle at Spurs last week, because some of our big name players were just hopeless in that game.

If Newcastle can bring in some good players this summer to replace those who will leave – like Peter Lovenkrands, Alan Smith, Tamas Kadar, Xisco (we hope), Fraser Forster, Steve Harper and Nile Ranger –  then we could even have a top four side next season.

Maybe the more accurate way of putting that is we’ll try for a top four position next season.

If Newcastle can retain their high position in the league and finish in 6th place or even 7th  in mid-May  - then the goal in the summer is to improve the squad,  so that we can challenge for a top four position next season.

We’re sure that’s exactly what Alan Pardew and Mike Ashley are thinking.

But of  course first of all we have to finish high up in the league this season,  over the final 13 games,  that’s the immediate test – and yes, we still have to keep our feet on the ground.

But if Newcastle keep up the progress they have shown over the last 12 months,  a top four finish is not beyond the realm of possibility next season.

Some would say we could be a top four side this season. :D

Howay The Lads!!

Comments welcome.



Tags: Danny Guthrie · James Perch · Newcastle News





281 responses so far ↓

  • 1 GeordieToon89 // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    This is the team I would play against Wolves but I know Pardew(mr negative) wont play it :(

    ———–Krul
    Simo-Wilo-Colo-Santon
    ———–Tiote
    —-Cabaye—Guthrie
    ———Ben Arfa
    ——-Cisse—-Ba

    Ben Arfa being behind the front two but also having a free role to go down the wings aswell, Cabaye and Guthrie will provide the passing and through balls for Benny/Ba and Cisse to latch onto and get the chances and goals while Tiote sits and holds infront of the defence… this formation imo gives the best out of the players weve got especially against a team like Wolves who we should be going out and attacking and scoring goals we need to start scoring and not conceding

  • 2 mickeytoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Why next season. Got a slim chance of it now

  • 3 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    With three or four shrewd signings we could challenge for top 5/6 next season. I expect Arsenal and Liverpool to be far stronger next season and a lot will depend on if Harry stays or who replaces him so top four could be expecting a bit much

  • 4 Spuggy // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    I’d be surprised if some of these keyboard warriors who regularly post on here knew who Sir Bobby Robson was.

  • 5 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    “it would be disrespectful to them to suggest that United have struggled without the so-called bigger names.“

    So we didn’t struggle against Spurs without our “so called bigger names”!

    Howay Bobby come clean, I’m not joking here btw but have you taken a job with NUFC promoting the corporate hospitality?

  • 6 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Chelsea fan signing Jose Mourinho’s name while the Birmingham fans are chanting ‘your getting sacked in the morning’ hahaha

  • 7 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    we have a strange situation here now, the newcastle we all love has been hijacked by a fatman who owns a discount sports shop. and while he is delivering a new look newcastle united on a sound business model, he is trampling all over our history and he shows us no respect. He has stolen our club. he may deliver the premier league title, but I must say my friends I am a very proud geordie and I would rather have our self respect than ritches. He is a traitor/occupying force in our territory. And to all the people who believe he owns the club cos he bought it get real. He will come and go but the club will remain, it is OUR club, the GEORDIES club

  • 8 geordiestan92 // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    This year will be our best chance to break into the top four, as Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have all had poor seasons upto now and will surely do better next year meaning we would have to strengthen massively in the summer to compete.

  • 9 GeordieToon89 // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Jack – Arsenal will be worse next season imo.. a think yes Wilshere will be back but im 95% certain Van Persie will be away at the end of the season if they dont win the FA cup and especially if they dont get into Champ league

  • 10 RobertLeeNo.7 // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    HAhahah keyboard warriors!!!

    Think talking about top 4 challengers next season is very premature it is after all Newcastle United anything could happen to hinder us challenging for top 10 next season

  • 11 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    I hope Sir Bobby pulls some strings up there, cos were gonna need an act of God to save our club. He can win whatever he wants with it but that aint no victory if it’s sports direct united

  • 12 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    GT89 – The point I was trying to make was that the clubs around us, the Liverpool’s, Chelsea’s, Spur’s and Arsenal all are bigger draws for signing players at the moment and all have far superior financial strength, plus they could offer Champions League football depending on the last run of games.
    Arsenal could have the like’s of Jose Mourinho at the helm next season.
    I still think that we are exceeding what was expected this season and I see next season as one where we strengthen to solidify a top 6 place in the league

  • 13 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Top 4? Even if we finish 6th this season, doesn’t mean we are actually a geniune top 6 side. We have been incredibily lucky and i don’t think we can have this sort of luck next season. We should just focus on trying to finish 6th for the next 2 season and Pardew still has plenty to learn. We are long way off being a top 6 side now. Top 4 talk is a joke.

  • 14 thai-mag // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    another toon blog is saying cisse and ba will miss wolves game to play in friendly with south africa, anybody know if its true

  • 15 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Mac

    Moncur also defended the renaming of St James’ back last year as well :| It’s a strange one

  • 16 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    TDS, I actually know the answer to the question and heard last November/December.

    Obviously any employee of Ashley has tainted views as we know what happens to his employee’s who don’t follow the company line.

    I’ve always liked Bob Moncur and chatted with him on a few occasions, he has his reasons to do what he does but I wish he’d come clean if he is being paid by Ashley ;)

  • 17 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    for the sake of £10-15m a year, its a joke. Ronaldo went to spain for 80m, money in football in silly, fair enough. Than the fatman should realise that St James’ is worth more than money. Not only was he aware of the importance, significance and respect that name carried, and not only did he choose to ignore that and the wishes of the council, whole city and the fans, but he insulted us all in doing so and thinks itll all be alright and expects us to forgive and forget about it. NOT IN A HUNDRED YEARS FATMAN

  • 18 Ollie666 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    krul
    simmo Colo willo santon
    tiote
    cabaye guthrie
    benarfa
    cisse ba

  • 19 GeordieCoaster // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    @taimag Ba is not picked for the friendly match so he won’t be going. Cisse is. It’s between the Wolves and the scum match.

  • 20 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    pbNcl, it wont be any where near £10 million a year!

  • 21 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    I hope your joking cos that’s just actually inconceivable. How can somebody with so much wealth be so mind numbingly daft

  • 22 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    lets say we get 5mill a yr for renaming rights… don’t think for one minute important defending it but at the end of the day anyone who know anything about the club n cares it will brought st.. james but if that brought a decent player in its worth it in my opinion… i know your not always gonna find a tiote or a cabaye but if you look at our team the only two starters brought in for more than 5million was collo n cisse

  • 23 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    supposed to say anyone who cares will know it as st.James… boy brought st.James

  • 24 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    No I’m not joking.

  • 25 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    £2-3 mil a year would be realistic (or maybe optimistic considering what sports cruddy tat shop pay us) valuation imho.

  • 26 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    you cant say you would swap the name St James’ for a player like santon, shall we say. Could you imagine this anywhere else, would fergie swap the name old trafford for a tiote? I dont think so. You cant even buy a decent fishing boat for 5m

  • 27 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    The naming right’s if it stays as SDA will be worth nothing to the club and quiet a few quid to Ashley’s personal wealth

  • 28 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    anybody think fatman would do this at tottenham?

  • 29 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    I think the selling of the naming rights is a great idea!

    With the extra 2 million per year we would able to afford more quality players like Perch, Simpson and Best.

    Role on the good times!

  • 30 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    :lol: Beattie

  • 31 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    don’t know why people r so riled with this again .. i know they just took the sign down but it annoys me more the way sports direct is plastered everywhere but i ain’t gonna moan cos the way the team play is what concerns me most… n at the minute a point off fourth i ain’t complaining.

  • 32 Neun78 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    hello, this year its our chance to get champions league, do you really think chelsea,arsenal and liverpool beeing this bad next year???
    no i think this year its our chance to get cl.

  • 33 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    There goes Gaz the epitome of our club at the moment!

    Settling for second rate players, performances and ownership!

    Why don’t you just agree with the rise in taxes and levels of unemployment whilst your at it.

  • 34 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Ilovetoon @12 – who are the 6 teams better than us? Are you certain there are no more decent signings to be made this summer? Are you positive that we will not have a better team next term? that should start a good chinwag :) I should hope we are aiming for the top every season otherwise there’s no point. We aren’t supporting Darlington here.

  • 35 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Neun our chance was in January when we should’ve strengthened thee team considerably. We didn’t and now we face a struggle unless our tactics are massively altered.

  • 36 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    ok lets go for first rate signing .. woo 17mill for Owen bargain of yr.. 10million luque i feel bad were doing there team over so bad here cheap as chips… OMG .ba martins wowser with all these first rate players relegation will b a distant memory..

  • 37 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    there goes beattie empitonising the reason why fans of other fans call us deluded.. we ain’t a big club no more.. we have had to build from the bottom.. n as for settling for second rate owners…. i don’t see many ppl flooding in to take over so yeah i am settling for what we have

  • 38 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    The CB thing was a bit of a shambles, then when we started to recover from a good hiding we had ACoN, so it’s not safe to say the run-in is going to be easy or hard. What can be said is that the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, liverpool and even Man U are deeply unimpressive and I don’t think a new season will magically sort them out. Arsenal just need to get shot of their manager for them to become mid-table haunters for 5 years. Chelsea have virtually exhausted the world of the best managers and players and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Roman Avadenuff bale in the near future. Cue Chelsea’s slide down the ranks. King Kenny? Please! And if SFA has to retire? What we have got going for us is a side with vitality, run economically, self-sustaining with a burgeoning youth system, and a highly-motivated business man with few caveats about making dosh by any means available. If this trend continues, we may have to endure the prospect of Champs League in the next few years whether we like it or not.

  • 39 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    gaz 44 – You cant talk about rebuilding or long term aims on here or you get shot down by those who want everything now and go against everything we have. some believe that great football clubs are created over night and not by building piece by piece.

  • 40 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    @ tsunki

    That is exactly the point.

    We are not supporting Darlington so why most of the fans accept the mediocrity and say ‘we are 4th’ in response to criticism is amazing.

    We are nufc! We are one of the biggest clubs in world football, the 25th richest club on the planet and have more sell more replica shirts per capita than any other club in the universe.

    The only reason we did not remain chasing top 4 was because of poor ownership. The reason we are not cementing top 4 this season is due to tactical errors, and in my humble opinion the reason we will struggle next season is due to a combination of both previous points.

    That is unless Ashley sees the profit margins increase ten fold due to European competition and Pardew sees the error of his tactical arrogance.

  • 41 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Don’t see how “don’t know why people r so riled with this again” is a valid statement as it’s an ongoing situation or have I missed something? Are we no longer looking for a stadium name sponsor?

  • 42 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Young’uns have drawn with the mackems after a comeback from 2 down, Knight was sent off too after he scored so did it with ten men. Go bairns!

  • 43 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    exactly they moan bout the history and renaming of sjp but if an Arab came in n wanted t change it to Arab hotel arena but paid stupid amounts of money for squad players they’d all b happy but it ain’t gonna happen .. they need t get over themselves n realise the Freddie shepherd way wasn’t the correct way

  • 44 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    JB, how I see it is that if Ashley had better PR we wouldn’t sell season tickets at half price and we’d have better returns on the corporate income.
    Now better PR comes in alot of forms, the vast majority of “experts”, “analysts” whatever you want to call them have said that renaming SJP is not good PR and generally not a good idea.

    Wouldn’t £2 mil from better PR be better than £2 mil from selling 120 years of heritage?

  • 45 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Beattie – its a learning curve. think about it – we are where we are, like it or not, in a very short time with a very new setup. the logical question is, what can happen when all the pieces are made to come together? It’s an incomplete jigsaw now but I for one am not so pessimistic. Championship year, everyone had wonderful things to say about the team and CH was sliced bread to the power of 10, but we were an entire league down! That was a work in progress, and it continues. So far I like it and hope that it all comes together sooner rather than later. Don’t give in to the SADNESS!!!

  • 46 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    haha you got to love bobby moncur,

    next season we will blend in with the othere teams around the 14th to 8th place, because the one player we have this season that prob wont be here next is good old lady luck

    and when i say luck i mean that in 2 ways,

    1st, chelsea ars and liverpool will all be back better than this year, maybe not fighten for the title but fighten for 4th place, should harry stay that is

    2nd. we have had a great season result wise, and for all you that say look at the table , yehaa we are 6th, but we have been played of the park so many times and won this year, i really carnt see that happening next year,

    i think right now we have a squad of player who i believe could mount a good challenge this season , the big problem is pardew, he insists on playing some of our not so good players because he likes to protect and show them that he is 100% behind them, which is very admeral of him, but its at the expense of a better team, shola perch simpson obertan willamson are not premiership quality players,

    i also think when things do go wrong , he (pardew) seems to have no clue how to how to fix things, in every game we have lost, we have conceded 3 or more goals,,

    pardews goals at the start ov eveery season is to keep them in the prem, and have a cup run, 14th to 8th and the fat man will be happy

  • 47 MAApologist // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Are we really saying that we would be happy being less succesuful if it kept “Our History”.
    Firstly our history will not change and the renaming may make Ashley a few quid but the fans will still call St James – St James, we wouldn’t have United if East and West had not joined.
    Look at other clubs what ever you call them a lot of them have relocated e.g. Stadium of ****e is that not a bigger betrayal of History, JH was thinking of relocating to Gateshead if I remember correctly and getting less grief from that idea than Ashley.
    We could all be watching basketball and rugby in the Sporting Club of Newcastle’s new stadium somewher eoff the felling bypass!
    I know what I prefer

  • 48 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    We are not starting from the bottom! We have 120 years of proud history!

    We bounced back from relegation in part because of the management and in part because of the over rated and over paid premiership quality we had in the team. Any team with such quality should easily be promoted.

    We are not Wigan, wolves, WBA, Bolton etc… with owners that have to be cautious or face ruin. We are owned by one of britains most wealthiest men, yet we scrimp and scrape, duck and dive, whils a lot of you harp on about a long term future! Get real we are a big club, we are in our rightful position but the long term future is about as secure as a bank account registered in Nigeria.

    We need to keep acting, moaning, complaining and fighting or we will all become armchair fans accepting the shit we are served up on a weekly basis and st James park will die without so much as a whisper and out stadium will become a graveyard. It has certainly been tha recently!

  • 49 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    MacToon – I don’t agree with renaming SJP, never have and never will and I totally understand the anger and the disillusionment at the decision to go ahead with it.

    My point was that we are slowly rebuilding the club on the playing side and that takes time unless you have an owner who will throw hundreds of millions at it and even that doesn’t guarantee success as we know all too well. Look at Liverpool under Daglish, he’s spent stupid amounts of money and no doubt will spent big again in the summer but as it stands they are behind us in the league.

    Regarding the PR side of things, well the truth is we have always been a PR disaster, non more so than under Sheppard and Co, it is the one thing that we are brilliant at and consistent with

  • 50 veto // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17069875

    who is this guy interviewing redknapp from dubai ? its either this or the other video (same presenter ) and old pork chop mentions that he just beat his team 5-0 meaning us .
    has he got any prince’s for cousins by any chance , stick a word in to buy us off the fat controller

  • 51 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    beattie i don’t think you realise how close we prob of been to ruin in the relegation season.. i don’t but it can’t of been far off

  • 52 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    the business model works. but it has no soul. football is built on passion which is from the soul. fatman just cares about the cash, couldnt give a shiz about our pride or wishes. I’d love to know just who he thinks he is

  • 53 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Hatem Ben Arfar will be sold be the end of the season and he should be..as he will never get a game at Newcastle United as he is rated as a player that

    -Lost too much ball at the middle of the park, adds pressure to our team.
    -Dont do his defensive job. And when he does he will only gives away penalty
    -Cannot play with teammate – no teamwork
    -Solo King – likes to hold on to the ball too much for others liking
    -Others rated him as a selfish player
    - Missing in games alot of the time
    - Insisted on playing CM/CAM which he cant play well.
    - As a winger dont defends and exposed full backs to attacking threats.
    - Bad Attuide in wherever team he play and goes to.
    -Can only be a sub player from the bench at 80mins.
    -Dont work hard for the team.
    -Dnt respect the fans

    He can only stay if he is able and willing to sit on the Bench and waste his talent. A move out of Newcastle will be a good decision.

    As St james Park ONLY let remind him of his BAD Injury almost losing his walking ability. With two bad operation. Even after he comes back from th 1st one in the US.

    Overall he SUcks and have to be get rid of Newcastle team before teamsmate get influence by his lousy attuide

    Note: Comments are gather from sources of Newcastle Fans, do adds in the nos. if anything are left out, thanks

  • 54 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    pbncl this for me has more soul that an Arab coming in and transforming thwarting club within a week..

  • 55 Indian Magpie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    is first row gone or is there another address

  • 56 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Whats the crack today then? Anything fresh?

  • 57 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    WWJBD

    Some just mentioned HBA AGAIN so run for the hill’s mate :)

  • 58 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    please sum up these player for me as i think your good at it

    1 obertan

    2 shola

    3 best

    4 simpson

    5 perch

    team players??

    poor footballers??

  • 59 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    We were never close to ruin thanks in part to Ashley!

    He wasn’t ken bates or peter risdale and took out major loans which could not be repaid.

    Look at Birmingham who have lost 15-20 players due to the debts of falling from the premiership!

    We never had those issues and to say we were close to ruin is laughable. The only thing we were close to that year was under acheving wichita fortunaltey never came about!

  • 60 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Fcuking iPhones

  • 61 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    I would just like to say that although I feel optimistic about the setup, I wouldn’t shed too many tears if AP was succeeded by a more accomplished manager. That may well be a summer signing we never thought of.

    Catchy – Nobody gets that much luck in the Prem without making some of it themselves. You don’t seem to remember the games we were ‘played off the park’ but won showed how good our defensive application was. We’ve also been the recipient of not great fortune by playing well and coming away with very little. it all evens out. you might also say that all the other top teams have all had bad luck this year. Not really plausible is it?

  • 62 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    JB
    Yeah just spied that apparently he is being sold now

  • 63 geoff777 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    http://www.firstrowsports.eu/

  • 64 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Bonjour messieurs.

    I was expecting a game and i just noticed the game against the wolwes at 3 PM is… next week.

    So i’m a bit disapointed.

  • 65 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    but if shepherd was in charge we would of been the same way.. over paid players that weren’t good enough

  • 66 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    I agree JB with rebuliding the team/squad even the club in a self sufficient manner and apart from leaving our squad short, vulnerable in areas our new transfer strategy I can see being followed by other clubs in the future.

    The renaming however is another PR disaster plain and simple. I believe there are other better ways to generate money and considering we’ve received 0 (zero) money from our high profile sponsor so far I believe other avenues of income should have and could have been exploited first or atlernative avenues of income even.

  • 67 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    niafron
    Haha join the crew mate cup weekends suck (well they do now we are out of both)

  • 68 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Davis toon

    I’ll add something to your list

    You are a fcuking nob

  • 69 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    do you mean man city? you can never tell if other owners would of sold the name, however I do believe fatman lacks class and a more refined owner may of listened to the city in which they do business

  • 70 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    I guarantee under Shepard we would not have been relegated!

  • 71 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Ben Arfa’s class, hope he stays. I doubt he’s leavin like he’s quite intelligent. patience young destroyer, patience

  • 72 gaz 44 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    yeah we would we had been on decline since bobby left

  • 73 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    On the article, Bobby Moncur is on the clubs payroll and is necer going to say anything but positive things about the players or owners, just best ignored really, out of touch if you ask me, like Supermac, totally clueless,

    Perch done a good job, hes done a good job of stopping our talented youngsters much needed game time (Vuckic, Abeid, Gosling) what a load of sh1te.

  • 74 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    WWJBD

    Thinking of asking Ed to put a Health Warning just under our beloved banner. something like :

    ‘This blog may cause unexplainable bouts of anger/rage/confusion/laughter, which may result in it’s user’s suffering from high blood pressure, episode’s of throwing one’s laptop and hitting one’s forehead very hard with the palm of one’s hand. User discretion is advised’

    The we can have an active link to the Samaritans web site

  • 75 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Also at least the Arabs did the name change/selling rights in one fail swoop.

    It took us over a year going from st James park, to sports direct.com then to sports direct arena and then some bloke appears with a crow bar. Ha ha ha

  • 76 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Was an interview of Demba Ba this week on french radio.

    He said nothing explicit, but he seem clearly on his way out of Newcastle for next season.

  • 77 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    JB
    Haha if he was asked to he probably would haha

    I have decided to have a very zen approach to this blog again, least am going to try to ;)

  • 78 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    NB Comment from a fan and you can quote me:

    “I would like to see HBA playing football for Newcastle United” ;)

  • 79 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    havent posted that i hope HBA plays against Wolves for a while, so thought i would, just to make me feel better.

    Personally think Pardew will play all 3 CM’s probably with cabaye or guthrie slightly down the right hand side, will be interesting who he picks, might play Benny down the left and leave Jonas out, very unlikely though,

    never known a game (wolves) get so much attention, must say cant wait for the next 2 weeks, seems a long time since we played at home, 2 good wins would be amazing.

  • 80 pbNcl // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    crease @ 75

  • 81 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    I think you should link to a online chat helpline manned by Shola and Obertan. ‘Happy to answer your questions!’ :)

  • 82 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Of course we were on the decline since bobby left. Much the same as we were declining when keegan left in 96.

    I don’t see your point?!

  • 83 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    So what if im a fk nob. Does that make Ben Arfar on the first 11 selection when we play wolf.

    NO, as simple as that. Why? Because of those reason rated by the Newcastle Fans.

    And most importantly does AP rate him. Does he rate Ben Arfar as Obtan is running much faster then Ben Arfar and AP likes that. He thinks that will bring the “Woah” factor to Fans.

  • 84 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    i think we have played of the park and the only thing keeping us in the game was bad finishing by the team we are playing, if they had a player like ba , we would have lost a lot of games,

    does this not worry you> Demba Ba 16
    Leon Best 4
    Ryan Taylor 2
    Hatem Ben Arfa 2
    Yohan Cabaye 2
    Shola Ameobi 1

    that if ba dosnt score, we dont look like scoring?

    maybe your right though, with another bit of luck pardew will not be here, as he is not the man to take us up a level, in fact i just watch a match, che v bir, and you know what, birmingham tried to play football againt a top team, none of this lump it long stuff we have been watching from this so called much better manager

  • 85 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Beattie25 – It was reported at the time that Ashley took over that we carrying so much debt that unless there was a major investment into the club we could have followed Leed’s. The redevelopment of the stadium was financed by bank loan’s secured on the sale of future season tickets. Sheppard almost crippled us with the debt

  • 86 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    davis_toons – no offense mate but…what are you talking about? Who is this mythical gaggle you call ‘The Newcastle Fans’ that supply you with this insight? Did HBA not sign your autograph book?

  • 87 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    No idea of what Beny could do, but i think he will leave.

    The coach do not want to work with him, period.

    I don’t see how he can overcome that from the bench. And he will not do that in training. Demba Ba confirmed in the same interview i was talking about he’s working very hard in training (despite what believe some fans). So this is not the problem.

    Demba said: “people don’t know. I see him day after day, he’s really professional.”

    I don’t criticized Pardew, for he get results. So this is a matter of taste.

    And Beny will certainly leave now.

  • 88 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Catchy, I see what you’re saying, but if Ba never played for us, do you think no-one else would be in his position to score? Hmmm. You’re also forgetting we have that thing we lie to call…Krul. He’s not luck, but he may very well be magic.

  • 89 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Niafron, I hope you’re wrong but wouldn’t be surprised if you’re right.

    Pardew wanted bums off seats players but when he has them he doesn’t seem to know what to do with them or they don’t seem to fit into Pardew’s footballing philosophy.

  • 90 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Davis toon

    Nob

  • 91 Marty-Toon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Shame we din have a game today but i suppose it’s good we have a rest now and come out all guns blazing in the next games

  • 92 Beattie25 // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Jb that is a problem with most clubs in football not just Newcastle and Leeds

  • 93 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Niafron – it seems that you have just come on the blog to spread bad news, Ba is leaving, Benny is training hard but has no chance of playing, oh my god, when is the world ending, im starting to feel pretty depressed.

    At least Shola is tied up on another two year contract, thats at least 2 goals for the team next year.

  • 94 Rotonda heights // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    benny: 6 games, 2 assists, 1 penallty won. that’s enough creativity for me after a serious injury. Give him a break

  • 95 Thump // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Ah, we’re back to our daily slapfight are we? Cracking.

  • 96 Thump // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    @Rotonda: Pards wants a high work rate and I just don’t think he knows where to play King Arfa. Yeah games can pass him by but that’s the risk you take when you have a lad like Arfa, he’s always trying to get into scoring positions. Would love to see a fit Arfa and Marveaux link up like.

  • 97 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    If people are going to slag Barfa, they should at least try to be constructive (agree with beattie regarding tubes like davistoon, no idea what hes going on about, has he actually attended a game this year, dont think so),

    personally love Barfas unpredictablity but for me doesnt demand the ball enough and cant currently, like some people do, compare him with Silva, Messi etc, also still looks like hes carrying a little bit of timber, however no more than shola, thats what really p1ssed me off.

  • 98 IFC.Toon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Just read Davis-toon ‘s comment. What a class A cant. He will be in for a shock when benny becomes one of our best players

  • 99 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Thump, there might be a venue change for Tuesday, looks like the “meets” been hijacked ;) Will let you know later.

  • 100 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    These are team players and they care and share football on and off the field. That what AP needed. Thats why they are always there.

    AP wants Ben Arfar to be like them. But Ben Arfar cant do that..Because he cant defends like them and work differently from them,

    Because he is a left footer and he thinks differently.
    Because his thinking cap is on the right not the normal left.

    And AP cant take that. Bring him to JoseM, Wenger, HarryRed, Bring him to manager that loves to play attacking football or offensive game.

    Newcastle cant turn the clock back as some mention. Other teams are poor during KK err. (i DNt think so)

    1 obertan

    2 shola

    3 best

    4 simpson

    5 perch
    —————————————————————-
    Just like every student there’s different CLASS.

    Same goes to the Manager- Some just never even thought of how to play some other kind of football.

    —————————————————————-

    Answer me a question.
    How on earth did obtan get more chance then Ben Arfar in the Newcastle Team then?

    a: Because Obtan play as a team, doent not matter if he created or score

    b. Obtan needs more chances then Ben Arfar because he is low in confidence

    c. Because Ben Arfar scores too much goal and created too many chances to the striker but he lost as many ball in the park and AP cant accept that to happen.

    Bottomline: NO pain NO gain. Pick your answer as a manager.

  • 101 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Thump – Arfa and Marvaeux linked up for 30 minutes against blackburn at home and it was the best footy we played all year, thought that was the future at the time, but for whatever reason pardew has lost faith in Benny, havent seen the reason on the pitch so must be attitude off it.

  • 102 Marty-Toon // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Thump
    I think some of the lads have their period again.
    Benny this Benny that….
    Great player with the right players around him.
    He needs a good midfield to let him be free to roam.
    AP needs to try find a way to integrate him but with santon goin AWOL up the line,Benny can’t be on LW and he’s quality there as he was in France in many games
    He dons suit RW in front of Simmo as he can’t manage bein unprotected so i think it’s best to use him at home when we are mre attack minded in a diamond formation or in a 5 man midfield
    Surely these pro players can learn how to play to a different style of game.
    Obertan and Benny have a bit to learn,so does Spidey
    Obertan – to cross the ball n take on defenders
    Benny – to track back n win the ball and to pass the ball earlier
    Spidey- needs to put the ball in earlier and try get beyond the first defender
    Better team and results straight away :-) simples

  • 103 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Minds games dont do well for players at time.

    BenArfar needs game to improve and perform as well. He is no longer young by his standard.

    He mature eariler – (family problems, god gifted & etc)

    While at Clairefontaine, Ben Arfa was the only underage player in his class, and was a part of A la Clairefontaine, a documentary series which chronicled the lives of the France’s top young footballers during their time at the academy – WIKI

    By keeing him on the bench, dnt help him at all. Dont play game with him, he knows all the SHIT that is going on. Worst he will just leave again.

    We just needed the right person to manage this “kid” You dnt keep him at the bench and expect him to come on and play well.

    ANSWER
    Sub him off when he dont perform, he doesnt needed you to tell him that he had a poor game.

    BALLS are Needed under AP

  • 104 cyprus // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Next season Ed? Why not this? Doubt there will be such a chance any time soon with all contenders (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, us) being so erratic. Who knows how they will strengthen next season, plus maybe a couple more surprise packages, including our neighbours. AP, you have the players (plus one rough diamond), go for it now.

  • 105 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Yep I can only think that AP has set HBA some goals and he hasn’t reached them, maybe attitude, maybe teamwork who knows. He is definitely a gifted player, and yes does lose the ball, but for me that’s what you get with this type of player. I would like the team to be better at covering such players so they have the confidence to give things a go. Having every man jack wear a defenders cap smacks of a side with little confidence, swagger or innate ability. For proof of that look at the subs Pards puts on when its backs to the wall. i fear he may be a little too conscious of what others think he must do and plays it safe when pulling out all the stops is the way to go.

  • 106 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    HBA has played 17 games this season!

    Bloody hell guys, considering he was injured for the start that’s not bad!

    You’re all inventing problems to moan about. If you actually want to moan about stuff, there’s bigger issues that one player.

    How about the lack of investment in key areas?

    Or how about trying to bin 120 years of history for a couple of million?

    Or how about the fact that the 2 or 3 million doesn’t actually exist, because there is no sponsor?

    Christ…. BIGGER PICTURE people.

  • 107 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    One thing I have noticed on this blog over the past few weeks there seems to be no middle ground with HBA

    Also seems to be a a point of ignoring that he is on a good long contract and Pards has no reason to sell him unless Pards wants to no one is going to come in with a huge bid for him

  • 108 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    chek the toastie

    I’m generaly pretty optimistic. Bu today, i got bad news.

    I listened this Ba’s interview (i got this advantage over you my english friends, i can listen the french players of team on french radio where they speak probably more freely), he said :

    “well, it would be wonderfull to play for a great club… sure, i’m focused on finishing well the season with Newcastle.”

    If you know football, you don’t need to be explained what such a statement mean. He’s on the leave.

    And for Ben arfa, will be a bit arrogant, but i don’t think anyone here know him as i do.

    Sure, i’m not one of his relatives, so i’m maybe wrong, i would not be surprised to see him decide to stay despite the difficult situation he’s facing now.

    But my opinion is, if the things do not improve quickly (and if he do not play the european championship cause of that) he will leave.

    This is simple to understand: he’s a football player and he do not play football.

  • 109 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    I’ve just recently found out what “the high line ” tactic is,can anybody tell me if there is a difference between this and the more traditionally named “offside trap”.

  • 110 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    J4A, it’s a high line off side trap we play, hope that helps ;)

  • 111 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    Ok Marty-toon beat me to it then, well done. One thing I would like HBA to do is pass and run a bit more, maybe a lot could be forgiven if he did that, he definitely has he ability to make intelligent passes. He also tends to drag two players with him so if he was more mobile across the middle it would take the pressure off our midfield and occupy opposition defenders.

  • 112 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Toons Bros Ben Arfar does lost the ball, But His Pro’s are more then the Con’s.

    You want players to play nice footy, created for Striker, Score goals from Middle of the park, Thats Hatem Ben Arfar.

    WHat if he dont play well and lost the ball alot?
    ANS: Sub him! A simple as that, Right?

    …but you needs “balls” to do that.

  • 113 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    JfA – first of all, one misconception here – its not a ‘tactic’ at all, it’s actually a trap we fall into. the high line just means we tend to get dragged forward by an underfed front line, a desperate foraging midfield with no awareness of the gap they constantly create behind them, and a struggling back line trying to close the gap up who invariably get mugged by pacy forwards chasing the long ball. hope that assists :)

  • 114 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    I think I need to lie down – some of what Davis_toons is saying is starting to make sense (slaps self repeatedly).

  • 115 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    JfA

    Haha :D You don’t have to play the offside trap just because you’re playing a high line though.

    If a player makes a run in behind the defense, the options are to either track the player, or to play the offside trap.

    But the offside trap doesn’t work if there’s not constant pressure on the ball in midfield – because if you’re under no pressure, it really can’t be that hard to play a well timed ball in behind the defence.

    I think that’s why we’ve been struggling lately without Tiote, Cabaye & Ba. Because although Guthrie is a good player, and Perch can tackle well, they’re nowhere near as dominant as Tiote & Cabaye.

  • 116 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    He can only get match fit or up to match speed if he plays and he’ll only get used to playing with our first team and it’s players if he plays matches or they practice in training which does have it’s limitations.

  • 117 cyprus // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    AP, this is the order you should follow when you pick your team. I’ll leave the tactics (high line, 6-3-1, 4-4-2, whatever man) to you! ;)
    1) BA, 16 goals, a monster
    2) Krul, a real goalie, in form
    3) HBA, creativity, wonder goals, he’s wor Messi, AP, just set him loose, tell him to do what he does best. This is what Harry does, he said so.
    4) Guti. Some people don’t like him anymore, but he’s officially the hardest worker in the PL and he can create things.
    5) Tiote, the lion.
    6) Cabaye, captain of a double winning team. ie. a winner
    7) Colo, our captain.

    The rest I’ll let you pick AP!

  • 118 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Tsunki,
    mmmm,so then why do we keep doing it…..?

  • 119 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    davis

    HBA has played 17 games this season. He was also injured at the start.

    17 games isn’t bad.

  • 120 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    ya see thats where your argument falls down, obertan, you are a believer in somthing that no one has seen,

    things about obertan,,

    no, he watches ppl run pst him, to get into positions to score against us, he ball watches, he is rarely on the wing when he is needed, he always cuts inside,

    then there is this magical story about him being low on confidence?? hmmmm,, i fail to see that one to,, remember the start of the season, remember he was in a team that was winning, winning breeds confidence, or so im told, yet he never seems to have any

    could it be that he is just a very poor player, that pardew wants to try and prove that he is a good player, and that ferguson has mugged newcastle again, smith and simpson, also very poor footballers,

    HBA at least he tries to be positive

  • 121 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Do you think those french kid thought Hatem Ben Arfar sucks?

    Common…IF Simpson were as goods as ManUtd Patrice Evra. Ben Arfar will play well.

    He dont becomes a winger on his own.
    Because his past manager play 433 and prefer him to be on the left.

    “After wingers Florent Malouda and Sylvain Wiltord left the club, incoming manager Alain Perrin preferred the more modern 4-3-3 formation and opted to move Ben Arfa to the left-wing role for the 2007–08 season.[19] Ben Arfa quickly adapted to the position and scored his first goal in a 5–1 demolition of Metz on 15 September”

    Give Him A Chance & A Time Again. Be fair.

  • 122 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Oh my god.

    Why have all the people that made this blog so good been driven off? Most rarely post anymore, if at all…

    Andy, GG, Thump, boater.. hell, even davy…

    Now it’s just the same people whining about Ben Arfa every day.

  • 123 cyprus // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    ToonDown,
    In truth you also whine a lot man, relax, accept other opinions. And you don’t need other people’s support.

  • 124 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Ha ha, not even included in an “etc.” OK I take my leave ;)

  • 125 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    JfA – ‘It’s a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma’. depends on who you listen to, it could be AP’s tactical naivete, or his bowing to fan pressure to have crowd pleasing attacking footy at all costs. I think it may be a bit of both coupled with a lack of discipline in marshalling & disciplining our defensive unit, which was self-taught and motivated until Saylor got crocked.

  • 126 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Mac

    But you still post :) Go away and then I’ll cry for your return!

    cyprus

    I barely post anymore. And I don’t give a sh!t about your opinions. It’s just bloody dull when you repeat them every 10 minutes.

    The discussion on here has turned to absolute crap. No one cares about the bigger picture, the direction of our club, the ownership, the stadium, the FANS

    All anyone wants to do is find reasons to slag off a manager working in unbelievably hard conditions.

  • 127 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    TDS – whining about HBA it may be, but isn’t it happening because the guy is just so mercurial a talent? Obviously if Pardew doesn’t know what to make of him it’s going to puzzle us as well isn’t it? I think he’s a fantastic talking point when you think of the teams we’ve had with such types as pedro, robert, ginola… you either build your team around them or you try and shoe-horn them into your style until they succeed or break. Don’t get me wrong though, I am part of the jury out on HBA but I would like to know why he doesn’t get a run like Obertan for eg.

  • 128 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    davis toon

    Sorry, what is that quote?

    I don’t remember Lyon’s play changed when Perrin came in.

    In fact, Beny made good games in all the positions he played. And bad games as well.

    This is not really the problem if you want my opinion.

    In fact, i’m not surpised to see him being so “up and down”.

    He will not figure that out until he do not play a full season.

    The season you’re talking about was really his first with a true role in lyon’s squad. And also his last in the club.

    He was a starter during the first half and almost did not play in the second part of the season.

    Same his first year with Marseille.

    The second year, he almost d not play until November, then became a starter, and almost did not play in April and May.

    First season with NUFC, you know what happened.

    So he simply don’t played enough to be physically mature.
    With the kind of play he got, it’s hard for him when his physic do not respond.

  • 129 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Tsunki

    I know, and I know you always offer a balanced argument (; But I honestly cannot remember a prolonged discussion on anything else in such a long time.

    Every day I log in and that’s what we’re talking about… it just doesn’t make any sense!

    On a better note, the academy lads came from 2 down to drawn 2-2 with Sunderland away. Half decent. They’re absolutely pilaging the academy league.

    Hopefully it’s a sign that ‘investment in youth’ is paying off?

  • 130 cyprus // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    ToonDown,
    On the other hand I do care about your opinions. I don’t claim to have a monopoly on footballing, the big picture etc. knowledge and I do believe everyone (except that Mackem dude who comes on and is cool anyway) is a true NUFC fan. Just skip the comments you disagree with or, if you feel like it, use evidence and your passion, rather than frustration, to change their minds.

  • 131 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    Newcastle’s “Greatest ever 11″, voted for by fans

    (Not that surprising that most are very recent – bar Moncur, Craig & Clark – as most of the voters will be young)

    Given

    Craig Moncur Albert Clark

    Beardo Gazza Lee Ginola

    Strikers announced tomorrow :/

    Thoughts? Probably about fair from my lifetime

  • 132 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Ben Arfar, knows which Newcastle manger was fair to him.

    Chris Hughton or Alan Pardew

    Obtan was given the Vote Of Confidence by AP but how abt Ben Arfar?

    If the kind of treatment was given to Ben Arfar will he be put in more trust in AP and follows his instruction carfully?

    The Answer is obviously. Yes

    A long continuity of games..that means alot for a player.

  • 133 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    @TDS

    OK, let’s talk of something else. But what? Let me think about it…

    I got three excellent subjects:

    1 Will be soon an amusement park in France with Napoleon’s victories for main them.

    2 How the Rafale beated the Typhoon in India.

    3 How the new manager of the english national team will become the former manager of the english national team when we shall have kicked your ass in the european championship.

  • 134 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    cyprus

    I knew that’d read wrong. I didn’t mean that I dont care about your opinions. I meant I don’t care if you have different opinions! Apologies for that.

  • 135 Indian Magpie // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    i just dont like pardew’s tactics. playing football from medieval times. no excitement. grinding out results

  • 136 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    niafron

    I’ll take point 3!

    I wouldn’t mind so much if you guys battered us playing traditionally beautiful French football. But if you beat us 1-0, in a dull game, with both teams continuing their recent form – then I’ll be upset.

    As for manager, I don’t want Redknapp to be the England manager. Unfortunately, the media in England basically choose manager, and they’ve picked Redknapp.

  • 137 cyprus // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    ToonDown,
    No problem. Anyway, no kidding, I do appreciate your passion, that’s what this team is about.

  • 138 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    TDS
    Who would u have as England manager then? HR would be my pick tbh

  • 139 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:25 PM
    If that your concern, then it will be for all Newcastle Fans that wanted to see Hatem Ben Arfer play. Why?

    Again this comes to the “BALL’S” Question. Do YOU have ONE SETs UNder your Pants.

    —————————–
    Flow Chart
    Play him.- NO Good – Sub him – Still Cant make it after 20 1st start appreance – SELL him / Offer him a sub contract.

    NO player in the team will argue with him starting. Because they know he is a better player.

    But if this “Better Player” doesnt fit us then follow the “FlowChart”

  • 140 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    TDS

    I fear your right about it, our teams aren’t in good shape, And it will certainly not be the game of the year…

    We are at the edge of a new crisis, for Blanc demanded a new contract, and the president of the french federation refused cause he want to see the results of the team before.

    So Blanc may anounce soon he will not be coach of the national team for the next campaign. Which isn’t perfect to prepare the championship.

  • 141 Partizan // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Niafron..Big game in Paris tomorow,,any prediction??

  • 142 Indian Magpie // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Davies _toons

    HATS off Sir

  • 143 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    WWJBD

    I think the guy’s a good manager, but could he really do it with the quality of players England have got? He’s always been a manager who has bought success – he’s done that at almost every club he’s been at, bar Bournemouth.

    He has also – and this’ll blow your mind – got a lower win % in his career than Pards! And considering Pardew had a terrible terrible time at Charlton, including relegation, that’s surprising.

    The one thing he is good at is motivation players, and he plays the right kind of football. But at the moment he’s the medias best pal, and in 2 years time they will be the ones slagging him off and hounding him out of a job. It’s never nice to see. Look at Keegan.

    I’d honestly either be begging Mourinho if he leaves Madrid, even if it’s just a 2 year contract, or Hiddink (although he may have just taken over Russia?). Personally I’d have stuck with Capello though.

  • 144 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    niafron

    Game of the year it will not be, no :D I wish I knew what happened to France.

    Mind you, in Benzema you have – in my opinion – the best striker in Europe at the moment. That’ll count for a lot at an international tournement.

  • 145 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    * Anzhi… not Russia… That was his last job :|

  • 146 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    @Davis_Toons

    You mean…

    In England you got… ONLY ONE SET OF BALLS??!!

    So it explain all…

    I wondered why you always prefered to fight with archers rather than cavalry.

  • 147 acuna // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    I seem to have lost ITV and got SunderlandAFCtv.4th game on the trot…!!!WTF?

  • 148 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Mike Ashley style..Be direct to the player. Dont keep him hanging.

    At least Hatem knows that Chances are clearly given to him. And is he that doesnt suit the kind of game that we are playing.

    If plp believe that Obtan can improve Why not have a better bet in Hatem. The % is as high.

  • 149 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    TDS
    Aye all true but least he currently has the press on his side which wouldnt happen if any manager came in and he wasen’t English.

    He is the only real option in my eyes. No he wont win anything but thats not down to managment problems but I think he will play a good style of football and might even see past Manchester in his selections

    See I would of gotten shot of FC after the WC not because of his performance exactly but because he wasen’t going to be in it for the long term from that point on. Plus the players werent happy if the papers were to be believed

  • 150 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Partizan

    PSG by a nose. I see a very nervous game. Montpellier will make a mistake at some point and lose the game.

  • 151 Dondatta13 // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    I just think that Ben Arfa won’t get a game so long as the Tiote is out of the team.

    He will get game time once the Tank is available for selection again and especially at home, away from home I’m not so sure.

    Benny is THE key link between midfield and Cisse & Ba upfront.

    Again, Ben Arfa must play at HOME.

  • 152 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    WWJBD
    But that’s the thing, I can’t see Redknapp looking past Manchester.

    I’m fairly it was Rednapp – correct me of I’m wrong – but he was on TV talking about the Argentina squad, and said something like “they’ve got a Newcastle player in their team. Newcastle! Ha Ha Ha”.

    Now whether or not Gutierrez was good enough for the Argentina squad is irrelevent – infact Maradona rated him as the 3rd most important team member, behind Messi & Mascherano. But for Redknapp to criticize him because of who he plays for is an absolute joke.

    Especially given that we’d just won the Championship at an absolute canter!

  • 153 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Thats that source, my friend

    http://en.archive.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/history/season=2008/round=15105/match=301207/report=rp.html

  • 154 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    I don’t think England are quite finished trawling the world for managers of every conceivable nationality BUT English. Apparently Borat is at a loose end at the moment.

  • 155 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    @TDS

    THe point isn’t about the quality of our players, rather the team spirit.

    The lads are brain dead. They never came back from what happened in South africa and we lack of strong personality to lead the team.

    Worst, Blanc did not clean up the mess this team was after the world cup.

    He still consider Ribery as his bes player. In fact, this guy is toxic in the dressing room.

    But he got the same agent than Blanc, so…

  • 156 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    TDS
    Could be true mate I dont really remember….though tbh I dont care that much if he doesnt I fell out of love with England a while back and I dont really want any of ours playing for the country bad memories of Owen

  • 157 rich_toonfan // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    I just think this whole ben arfa thing is out of hand, people say he looses the ball too much…..he doesnt loose it more than anyone else, its how he looses it, he needs to play the percentages more, if a good simple pass is on try it…but if you have a good chance to beat a couple players do that…he sometimes just hangs onto it too long when he could play somebody through…..

    In terms of him not working hard enough i think he works as hard as obertan so that is a dead argument…however in training he may not work hard enough which could be what pardew wants him to improve as well.

    I think if he was to play upfront or behind the strikers we need to play wide men too…. Pep Guardiola said in a few interviews last week barcelona have been playing without width recently and it allowed opposition to play tight in the middle and crowd messi out (he has been in poor form by his usual standard during this time), so now they have gone back to pedro and sanchez to stretch teams and allow messi more room in the middle.

    For now I would like to see ben arfa play wide left…tell santon to focus more on defence than offence (which he did very well at inter under Mourinho) and move jonas over to the right, he isn’t bad at crossing with his right foot and it allows cover for simpson to get forward or if he gets caught out.

    Too many who comment on here have extreme views, either they love ben arfa and want him to play all the time or they dont rate him and think he should be benched….in reality he is a good player…not world class…just a good technical player who still has a lot to learn with his decision making. Ideally he will get a run on the left for a few games (where he has played most of his career) and build a good relationship with santon, cabaye, Ba and Cisse.

    I think pardew worries playing his as he has seen our defence exposed without Steven Taylor and tiote so prefers to be cautious. I think over the summer if we sign a new full back to replace simpson who will offer more defensively we will see more of players like ben arfa in the team as the defenders will do their job with help from titoe…..we need to give Pardew at least 3 years to shape this team, we started off well this year playing some nice football nd i think we will build on that over the summer…..Carr and co. will have found some good buys to add to the first team not just the squad and we will push on i believe.

    And all those who says it is down to luck this year aree wrong….we have never over ran teams very often for 90 mins but at times during the game we have done well…then when under pressure we have defended solidly or krul has done his job well…..i mean how many points has joe hart saved man city, how many has friedal saved spurs (compared to gomes last year) and how many has de gea cost man utd.

    I hope everyone gives Pardew the time he needs, takes years too build a team on a low budget.

  • 158 Partizan // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    Niafron,,How about Pastore and Gameiro,are they available for tomorow?

  • 159 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Anyway, good or bad game, i’m eager to see that.

    Always special to play against England for us. I suppose, it’s not the same for you, cause your greatest rival in Europe is Germany, and France do not have the great football tradition you or the germans got.

    In fact, we too consider another team (Italia) as our best opponent, but we realy enjoy to play against England.

  • 160 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    FFS Cattermole is back in the Sunderland team and Sessegnon is lone striker? Hmmm

    I do like that McClean lad though….that upsets me

  • 161 niafron // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Partizan

    Pastore is coming back from an injury, but he will probably play tomorow.

    Wich could put Gameiro on the bench, with maybe Menez playing in the striker position.

    OK lads, got to go.

    Bonne soirée messieurs.

  • 162 Tsunki // Feb 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    rich_toonfan – excellent comment, agree with all that. Damn.

  • 163 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    TDS – The reason that most people have left are close to leaving this blog is that all thats disused these days is how great HBA and what a fool Pardew is for not playing him, people even saying he’s our Messi

  • 164 Indian Magpie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    NO jack, the people have left bcoz ppl have RAYLOR in their starting line ups than HBA, may be obertan

  • 165 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    JB – the reason i left was i needed to go to Tescos to get some more beer to drink, i need it watching the mackems beating arsenal, i have this anxiety burning away inside me that they are going to win the FA Cup, would it be wrong to have a bet on them to soften the blow if it happens, getting a bit stressed about it.

  • 166 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    JB
    Hey man how what yer talking about? Wor hero Hatooooooon is well good! U iz like proper mental Messacaaaaaaaaa haz nowt on im

  • 167 Indian Magpie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    PPl are scared to crticise pardew, why? bcoz its not right, one cannot call a spade a spade, he picks obertan over HBA, criticises ppl and then picks players who do exactly what others are proscribed for

  • 168 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Roy Keane is hammering arsenal, and he is spot on they are poor, have no fight whatsoever, wenger is loosing the plot, no heart in his team, we have though, come on the toon top 4, its there for the taking, big 2 games coming up.

  • 169 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    check
    Is a crap match though isnt it? Arsenal dominate for ages then long ball forward and their defenders totally cock everything up reharsh repeat for 45 minutes

  • 170 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    WWJBD – u been watching too much Lee Nelson me thinks

  • 171 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    WWJBD

    Maybe showing my age but what the hell was that??? ;)

  • 172 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Also Sun’land support is shocking! Empty stadium always amazes me when they are on telly

  • 173 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    check
    “WWJBD’s Well Good Blog Round-up” I reckon I can get my own section going haha ;)

    JB
    Hahahahaha translation = “Hi, I do not understand where you are coming from sir. HBA is a hero in Newcastle and is clearly better than Messi, I believe you are not fully considering all aspects to both players games if you disagree”….I was just trying to sound cool :(

  • 174 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    WWJBD

    At my age cool is not having to get three times a night to pee, but I thank you sir for the translation :)

  • 175 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    JB
    I now have Strongbow up my nose cheers for that

  • 176 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    O neill has got the mackems working super hard all over the pitch, its what pardew had at the start of the season, we need to pick it up again and the results will come, looking forward to bursting there bubble because they are still sh1t.

  • 177 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Anyone else think that if O’neil wasn’t a favourite with the media they’d pick up on the fact that he produces very poor football

  • 178 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    check – Our work rate has dropped off as the season as progressed, one of the things that was always going to play a part with such a small squad

  • 179 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Would put Santon on Mclean for the derby game, just tell him to rule him, like he did valencia and nani in the Man Utd Game, people who criticise his defending forget about that game, total class, 20 year old remember, a total jewel, oozes qualiteeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Play Raylor over at LB, did OK early season and Larsson has no pace anyway, Ben Arfa in front as he is Qualiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

  • 180 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    I think our work rate has been low recently because we havent had our first choice CM pairing tbh. Once Tiote got back on form he and Cabaye were statistically the hardest working CM pair in the league and when u have the rest of the team viewing that everyone picks up their game imo

  • 181 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    JB – havent hit the heights for me since the Stoke away game, that was proper class workrate, Guthrie, Cabaye, Jonas and wait for it Obertan were really good that night. Thats right i said obertan he was qualiteeeeeeeee.

  • 182 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    WWJBD

    Agree we need players who set the tone regarding effort, I just think that some of those players are knackered themselves. Jonas has run himself into the ground every game this season the same for Colo and I think that the pace and physical nature of the league is catching up with Cabaye a little. Hope this three game ban has allowed him to recharge the batteries for the final run in

  • 183 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Yep, middle of the park sets the tempo of the game, dont think perch is ever going to be that man, cant say enough how much im looking forward to our first choice midfield play with Ba and Cisse, think we are going to be proper class, should have got a pacy CB in Jan though, this opportunity for 4th may not come around again quickly.

  • 184 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Hope Prattermole plays in the derby game, i think he gets himself sent off, been a long time since hes seen red, must be due, proper pen1s, bartonesque.

  • 185 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Evening Gents…how’s it going? WTF is going on with Arsenal? Milan’s one thing, but come on

  • 186 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    JB
    Agree on Jonas and Colo they are both looking lack luster imo but both have had to do double shifts hopefully this week off has given them some time as well.

    On Cabaye I reckon since Tiote went on his jollies he has had to sit deeper so hasen’t been able to impact the game as much Guthrie has to play forward thinking whereas Cabaye can just sit

  • 187 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    somebody said benzema best striker in europe at the moment… really? just cause he plays for real madrid… RVP is the best atm

  • 188 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Ibiza – Sunderland are boring them into submission

  • 189 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    JB…probably don’t want to get near the dirty bas**rds

  • 190 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    WWJBD

    Don’t want to slag Pardew off as he’s doing a great job for us (opens the door for a slagging with that comment) but the one thing I wish he would do is change things up a bit more, we have the like’s of He Who Shall Not Be Named that can play on the left also young Fergie, this would then allow Jonas to rest up a bit, also the like’s of Abeid and Vukic who could play more from the bench allowing players a break even if it’s coming on for the last ten/fifteen minuets of games

  • 191 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    either sunderland are title challengers next season or arsenal relegation dogfighters…

  • 192 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    t00ntime….let’s hope the latter….the first choice makes me feel a tad ill

  • 193 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Ibize – apparently the FA refused Arsenal permission to let their players wear surgical mask’s for today’s game claiming it violated ‘Health and Safety Regulations’ :)

  • 194 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    Stew on this one – We have brighton away in the FA cup, we are one nil down with seven minutes to play, we have played poor need some inspiration what should the manager do, how about a triple substitution, take the attacking full back off (santon), the creative midfielder (guthrie) and the creative winger who put us into that round with possibly the greatest goal scored at st james park, or take simpson, williamson and shola off, just a thought on Pardews tactical thinking, u never know might have still been in this competition, baffling at times.

  • 195 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    *Ibiza* not Ibize, sorry mate spelt you name wrong

  • 196 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    JB…surely on those grounds the FA would insist on all Sunderland opposition to wear surgical masks?

  • 197 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    sorry also 6 minutes injury time, lets call it 15 minutes to change the game, who thinks pardew got that one right?

  • 198 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    No worries….Ibize works for me

  • 199 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Ibiza – they did but couldn’t find anyone to foot the bill

  • 200 bills-son // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Some fans on here never cease to amaze me …

    Half of our players are crap, the tactics are crap, AP is crap and we are only 5th through riding our luck.

    And those same fans reckon they are part of the best supporters in the Prem/world football??

    Something doesn’t add up lads.

  • 201 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Oxlade chamberlain, thats what happens when wingers track back, god bless, Mackems going to wembley, oh my god please noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • 202 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    What are the odd’s of Wenger and AVB being sack this week???

    I know AVB’s odd’s dropped from 25-1 to 6-1 while they were behind

  • 203 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Bills-son…that’s some pretty lucky crap then

  • 204 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    JB
    I agree with ya mate but he did do that with Sammy earlier in the season tbf but that was when we were top 6 with nothing to lose now we do if we blood kids

    Tricky rope to walk

  • 205 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    JB..probably pretty good odds. What’s the most managers sacked from the premier league in any one season? Does Martin Tyler use this blog?

  • 206 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Right time to pick the winner of the FA Cup I am going for Everton

  • 207 Partizan // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    No wonder Sunderland are winning 2-0,the pitch looks like a minefield.

  • 208 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Sunderland played well.

  • 209 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:58 PM

    Arsenal just doesnt have the bite in the midfield battle

  • 210 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    It seems that Pardew is the safest manager in the league

    http://www.thesackrace.com/premier-league/

  • 211 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    bills son – is there absolutely any chance of you being in the slightest possible way critical of anything, have you spent the last ten years locked in a buddist commune,

    Please humour me by having an opinion on anything that could improve the club, as i always aspire to improvement i feel it is OK to ask questions of people like other people on the forum, you would seem the type of person who would be happy serving a life sentence for a crime you didnt commit?

    Pardew has done very well but has made some big mistakes for me and i still need convincing, maybe he will do that over the rest of the season, but a little way to go yet.

  • 212 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    They either give away penatly or score an own goal…

  • 213 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    I’ll go for Everton as well, Moyes is one hell of a manager who has little to nothing to work with regarding money

  • 214 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Pardew is safer than SAF hahahaha bloody hell!

  • 215 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    arsenal are just sh1t I watched the entie 2nd half and cant remember 1 good chance… its like watching newcastle without cabaye and ben arfa (aka against spurs)

    sunderland FAcup winners? all the top teams arent preforming and now sunderland look like newcastle did at the start of the season… can some on shoot MON ?

  • 216 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    Cannot believe people think we don’t have a chance of finishing 4th THIS SEASON.

    Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have been terrible. Next season Chelsea and Liverpool will be much stronger. This is our only chance of finishing above them.

    Newcastle will finish AT LEAST 5th this season. But injury free we will get the 4th spot.

  • 217 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Harry Redfacedt*t 3/1 to be sacked? To leave maybe, but surely not sacked

  • 218 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Jamesthefirst – Would love nothing more than to see us back in the Champions League again, but do you think we have a squad capable of dealing with European competition as well as two domestic cup’s and the league?

    To compete we would need major investment into the squad with I can’t see happening myself

  • 219 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    JB…compete in the cups? It’s only 2 or 3 games a season :)

  • 220 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    james the first, mate if we go in to CL this season next one we will fail!

    even if we goto the CL MA wont change his policy which means our team wont be big enough for 4 tornuments and the ACN… do you want to be that team that gets destroyed by all teams?

    by the looks of it sunderland will be finishing 4th anyway xD

    wtf happend xD

  • 221 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Ibiza – All right you sarky git, you know what I mean :)

  • 222 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Anyway time to crack open the Jack Daniels :)

  • 223 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Nothing to say Liverpool or Chelsea will be a great deal stronger next season fair play rules and all that plus Liverpool have been damaged this season by Suarez and Chelsea are in transition however they might sack AVB

    Then Spurs if they lose HR no certainty they wont lose players and their way next season

  • 224 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    good chance of safc winning fa cup actually :S only teams left in are liverpool and spuds

  • 225 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Bills son – what do you think about pardews subs against Brighton, pretty astute eh, rather than answer decent football related questions would you sooner label everyone negative?

    Did you also smile when you seen the guy with the crowbar yesterday, or did you think it was a bit unessasary, seen as though a stadium sponsor is pie in the sky. Can understand supporting Ashley in some things but to be so blinded to support him in every aspect ruins your credibility.

  • 226 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    t00ntime
    *Cough* Everton *Cough* Chelsea *Cough*

  • 227 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    I do indeed. Some Jack sounds like a mighty good idea

  • 228 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    WWJBD

    You need to see a doctor about that chest mate :)

  • 229 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    WWJBD liverpool are doing what city did xD buying 11 quality players putting em together and getting zip… in 3 seasons and 800mil down the drain they might have a team xD

    chelsea are doing what we could all see happening… there team is getting to old, they left it till to late to get younger players in. So now instead of easing em in they have to throw em in… o and some bad invesment (bosingwa luiz and torres are sh1te)

    good job we got lucky and all our players were a hit :D other then obertan xD

  • 230 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    @WWJBD exactly xD

  • 231 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Ibiza – Raise a glass then mate I’m celebrating getting a new job :)

  • 232 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Pardews not that safe, reckon Ashley has his eye on the up and coming Birmingham manager.

  • 233 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    JB
    Haha I know getting so bad I am typing it ;)

    t00ntime
    Aye but Liverpool didnt buy quality like City they bought English haha dead on on Chelsea though too late, too old and too unstable

    You are being harsh on Everton though I like them as a team and they have some damn fine players and a damn good manager. Chelsea is just who turns up on the day though they can still run through teams when they fancy it

  • 234 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    @JackButler and @Toontime

    Not saying we have the squad to handle European football. Although Napoli have gone far with no investment, so depends on the draw.

    I am saying we will definitely finish above Arsenal, Liverpool, and Chelsea. Even Alan Hansen now reckons we are strong favourites for top four.

    Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea would kill to have Cabaye, Tiote, and BA right now.

    As you’ve seen today Chelsea and Arsenal are woeful. Chelsea’s league form is the worst in the top 12 teams. They are in free fall, and have Man City and Spurs coming up.

  • 235 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Anyone see Drogba giving a team talk in the tunnel before they came out for the second half

  • 236 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    JB…Congratulations mate….what’s the job? Have to actually go and find some JD now..be rude not to and all that

  • 237 check the toastie // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    James the first, dont wanted to be branded a doom monger but we are seriously fooked if collo is injured, we need to have no major injuries until end of season.

  • 238 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    Jamesthefirst

    Don’t get me wrong mate, I think we have a very good chance of finishing 4th as those above and below us seem intent on shooting themselves in the foot, and perhaps it would work to our benefit as we would have to rely on the kids more, just wouldn’t want to see our league position suffer next year because of it thats all

  • 239 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    @WWJBD tbf I hate the mackems but since MON became there manager they are better then everton :P and chelsea like you say its weather they turn up… AVB was doing well counter attacking, beat us, was winning in europe etc but got preasurrized in to more offensive football and look at em now. Great example of why fans and the board shouldnt intefere with how the manager manages…

  • 240 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    And people slagging off are ‘investment’ is bizzare.

    Cabaye, Tiote and BA the best in their positions in the league and outlay of under £10 million.

    You honestly want us to spend £20 million buying Henderson and Downing?

    There are a lot of good players out there for under 7 million.

    As much as I hate Ashley, his recent transfer policy has been superb.

  • 241 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    But James….where’s the fun in building a team and being financially smart…phhhh…madness I say

  • 242 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Ibiza – Thanks mate, I start with Vector International LTD in a weeks time as a CNC Engineer making parts for sub-sea oil and gas.

  • 243 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    @JackButler

    Exactly my point, we are not playing superb football, but the teams around us constantly mess up in games they would normally win. Europa League would stretch us big time and would harm our league form. But Champions League wouldn’t because lots of quality players would want to come, and because we are in the CL we can negotiate the terms

  • 244 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Hope it goes well mate!

  • 245 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    as for CL would rather stick to the 5 year plan… surely it has on it which postion to be streghned each year and then add replacements for players leaving, like this season was to strenghen forwards (Ba Cisse) maybe in 5 season we will have a whole team with players of there quality, already have a few:

    ———–krul———-
    —–colo—-saylor–(santon)
    —-cabaye—tiote——-
    —Ba———–Cisse

    only missing 3/4 players for our A team, I would put benny in but pardew seems intent on not playing him. Santon, well I dont know where he will be playing next season lol RB/LB

    colo maybe getting old but until he retires he better stay with us ! lol

    saylor well he is great and a geordie… has the heart of a lion to… shud tell terry to get out the english team and put saylor there :D

  • 246 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    James – Agree mate, our transfer policy is probably the best in the league regarding the quality we get for the money we spend

  • 247 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Thanks mate :)

  • 248 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    @JackButler

    Lawro said on Football Focus 2 weeks ago, that Newcastle’s transfer policy is the best way to go and is now the standard for PL clubs.

    I mean you only need to look at Rangers. Under Freddie Shepard that’s where we were headed.

  • 249 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Question….If we do qualify for European football next season…what would you like to concentrate on? Progress in the tournament or league?

  • 250 WWJBD // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    t00ntime
    Aye at present mate but u forget that Everton always pick up in the later stages of the season. MON is good but players often hate playing under him

    Agree on AVB but its also shows what happens when players band together because managers come and go so quickly

  • 251 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Finishing 4th would mean Cabaye, Tiote, and BA would not leave.

  • 252 joe // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    It seems strange to say this, but our own Shola Ameobi would have made a massive difference in the Sunderland Arsenal game.

    Arsenal have NO physical presence whatsoever up front, and no matter how good you are you just cant tiki-taka your way through 10 men crowded around their box. Sunderland today were like a brick wall, and to see Arsenal with their smooth silky players was like trying to use a knife to slice through that wall. Sometimes you just gotta batter teams into submission! And that means putting 2 up front and getting long balls and crosses into the box!

    So yes boys we still need wor Shola on occasions like these! Let’s face it he is one of the best in the air that we’ve got at the moment =D

  • 253 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    I thinks its all or bust for Liverpool,if they dont make the Champions league,I can’t see a group of business men letting dourface Dalgleish loose with another hundred million pounds,but then again I can’t see MA giving Pards more than 10M either,but I have been wrong once before in the past.

  • 254 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    The league has to be our priority, no point in making Europe one season then fighting to get into the top ten the next. If we continue to move forward and grow regarding the type of players we are getting at the moment we should be able to nail down a European spot season after season

  • 255 tdt // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    It would be funny if Wenger got the sack. Arsenal would sink like a stone I reckon.

    I’m embaressed for the arsenal fans, no-one deserves to loss to the mackems. Mind, arsenal played awfully today! It would be great to see them struggle, if only it wasn’t to the benefit of the scum.

  • 256 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Joe,
    Do you think you could persuade Arsene Wenger to buy him then please.

  • 257 Jamesthefirst // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    Okay now the HBA debate which is endless. We all love him on the field, although he does lose possession a lot.

    Pardew doesn’t pick up because all managers pick the team based on what they see in training during the week.

    All through HBA’s career managers have slagged his work ethic off and called him a bad egg. So he clearly is not working as hard in training as the other lads. That’s why Pardew punishes him.

    Doesn’t make Pardew a bad manager, because it would be unfair on the other players working their socks off to be dropped for someone who is lazy.

  • 258 joe // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM

    @Jail for Ashley

    I wouldnt mate, still think he has use to our team, maybe in the last 10 mins or so! But I think Arsene Wenger is so stuck in his ways anyway that he refuses his football to be played any other way! Has to go for me. Either that or he needs to adapt his style of play.

  • 259 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    @tdt dont worry arsenal wont be in top 4 next season xD RVP already said he was unsure if he wanted to keep going at arsenal after the AC match… and now this … I can see him leaving… Gervinho is getting booed everytime he gets the ball and arsen is coming under big preassure…

    also is it me or is the premier league much weaker over the last 2 years? :S

  • 260 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Joe and JFA…shola will be needed March 4th…then i’ll pay for the taxi to the emirates myself

  • 261 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    JB
    If you make the league priority,do you mean that if we qualify for Europa then we should field a reserve team like Spurs did,unfortunately with so many games in the Europa league I think thats the only option,the cost in league form doesn’t outweigh the benefits of a good run in Europe,personally thats why I think the Russian and Portuguese have been doing well these last few years because they can afford to play their best teams during the week.

  • 262 tdt // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Without RVP arsenal are very average, and even with him today they were easily restricted and countered against.

    This season is a great chance for us to push on and break into the top 4. Even if it’s just for one season, provided we qualified for europa the following season, that would give us a platform and a lump of cash to build upon and ultimately help us solidify our position in the top 4-6.

  • 263 Toon Tang // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    ive really gotta start thinking like a woman . another one won the super 6 again i cant believe it .

  • 264 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    It’s really no shock Arsenal are doing so badly…losing Nasri and Fabregas and then Wilshire to injury….they were always going to be in trouble

  • 265 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    Jail – Only until we have the squad strength needed no point in being involved for one year then suffering in the league and not making Europe the next. The Champions League is different as it’s worth so much financially. I think winning the Europa cup is worth the same as making the group stages of the Champions League

  • 266 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Anyone know if the dereck chisora fight is on TV tonight?

  • 267 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    @JB its on dutch TV but tbf it wont be any good lol klitschko’s only fight people who are half there length… 20cm’s AGAIN

    klitschko says he is the best ever…. sure mate, sure…

    but I dont know if its on in england lol

  • 268 JackButler // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    t00ntime – Thanks mate, will have to find a stream somewhere

  • 269 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM

    JB
    Agreed,but if we do make it,rather than charge 20/25 quid to get in and only have half a stadium or less,I think he should put a tenner for adults and a fiver for kids and at least get a full house,they’re not the best of nights at an empty SJP.

  • 270 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    check the toastie, thanks for your last cpl of posts, they did make me chuckle ;)

    TDS, pretend I’m not here so I can be missed lmao.

  • 271 Dannyo // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    So what are we on about lads?

  • 272 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Current topics Dannyo.

    HBA, play him or sell him?

    Goodbye SJP or au revoir?

    Too soon for Europe?

    and why are the posts/posters so shyte?

    apparantly!

  • 273 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Pretty much sums it up MacToon

  • 274 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    ha ha cheers IT, you could also add the odd “random” like B-S’s, it’s all be done to death and nothing new’s being said….

    bring on the next game or………….

  • 275 Dannyo // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    @MacToon

    HBA, play him, but risk more loss of possession. Btw, Raylor is the most dispossed player we have. 230 something times…

    SJP, what a disgrace really. But we’ve known it for a couple of months now, the sign removal was inevitable. At the same time, St. James’ Park in itself is a global brand. Weather he’ll genuinly earn as much as we want i doubt. Running a chain of shops, u’d think he’d know how to treat his customers.

    Too soon for Europe. Imo, this year it is. We lack in depth quality, and some positions even bodies. I think we should be happy finishing 7th. That’s 3 spots above our initial goal. But there is a chance for Europe indeed aswell, with Cabs and Tiote back.

    Shite posters are usually people who go on like broken records, bashing other posters for no apparant reason or without them being present. They have nothing football related to say in most posts. And bashing players in general. And then i mean repeated bashing.

    I think i’ve responded well to those :P

  • 276 Ibizatoon // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Well done Dannyo….those topics were supposed to last a little while

    Mactoon….next weekend can’t come soon enough

  • 277 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    Di Maria have a Super Left Foot…what a goal for Madrid.
    3-0

  • 278 davis_toons // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Real Fans was singing JoseM..name..

  • 279 rich_toonfan // Feb 18, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Trying to move away from the HBA debate….what positions would people like to strengthen in the summer…..i mean first team improvements here not adding depth, i would like a new RB as simpson works hard and has done a job but I think he gets caught out too much and needs bailing out too often….i would like HBA left wing as he played there for his teams in France most games and I would like us to sign a right winger.

    I can’t think of other players we need other than cover for strikers and CB position . I wouldn’t like to see any other first team players replaced really.

    Only my third post so wonder what you all think

  • 280 MacToon // Feb 18, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Yes well done Dannyo, Ed has given you your next task should you wish to accept it…………

  • 281 Munster Mag // Feb 19, 2012 at 12:12 AM

    “JfA – first of all, one misconception here – its not a ‘tactic’ at all, it’s actually a trap we fall into. the high line just means we tend to get dragged forward by an underfed front line, a desperate foraging midfield with no awareness of the gap they constantly create behind them, and a struggling back line trying to close the gap up who invariably get mugged by pacy forwards chasing the long ball ”

    Tsunki, are you always as stupid as this post would suggets, or is this an error? We are 6th in the league ffs……




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