Is This Why Newcastle Have Trouble With Players’ Contracts?


We did a piece earlier today on Tim Krul, and the fact that he deserves a new contract on Tyneside.

Fabricio Coloccini – contract runs out in summer of next year

But in writing that piece we realized there are a number of current players who need to have new contracts before the summer for different reasons.

Here’s a list of those players,  and why they need new contracts very soon, and they are listed in no particular order:

  • Fabricio Coloccini – his contract runs out in 18 months time and he is one of Newcastle top players and captain, and the club are trying to tie him down to a new five year deal
  • Danny Guthrie – his contract runs out at the end of June, and he can already talk to other clubs from last month – and we don’t know really know where the club stand with Danny, but surely he deserves a new deal
  • Danny Simpson – his contract runs out in 18 months time, but he has already turned down a number of offers from the club – and he may be holding out to become a free agent – as Jose Enrique did. Newcastle will sell him in the summer of he hasn’t singed a new deal by then
  • Demba Ba – Everybody must now know that the Senegal striker has a £7M release clause in his contract and the deal must be renegotiated quickly, otherwise the Magpies could lose their top striker in the summer for peanuts, and that’s especially true now that West co-owner David Sullivan has told everybody that the player himself gets half the transfer fee
  • Tim Krul – The Dutch goalkeeper is on a contract through 2014, but that was negotiated before his excellent form of this season, when he has not only become the new Newcastle number one goalkeeper, but is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premier League, and the 23 year-old deserves a new deal because of that

So it looks like Newcastle have lots of work to do in agreeing new deals for some of their best players, and it was not good news when Alan Pardew suggested recently,  that deals for Guthrie, Coloccini and Simpson may have to be put on the back burner until the summer.

The reason given was  so they could then all concentrate on having a good run-in to the season.

There’s nothing wrong  with concentrating on the vital last 13 games of the season,  but why do Newcastle seem to have so much bother in closing contracts for their current players?

We have a feeling it’s because the club wants to give players deals that are now heavily based on incentives, and while that’s good for the club, it doesn’t give the players a high guaranteed income, and probably not what they are currently receiving.

It also doesn’t give them big money unless Newcastle are successful in the league and in the Cup competitions.

But that’s the deal that Alan Pardew is on at Newcastle,  and we have to think that’s one reason why these deals seem so hard to close.

That  was true last year with Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton and there seems to be some problems this year with closing deals for Simpson, Coloccini and Guthrie.

What do you think about this?

Comments welcome.



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57 comments so far

  • American Toon 13

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #1

    U wish we would just sign them up, but if the players have to work for their money that’s good right? It’d be foolish though to lose Coloccini because we didn’t give him enough guaranteed money.

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  • Belly

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #2

    Even tho he’s had some blinding games for us this season, I wouldn’t give Simmo a new contract. We should sell him in the summer and bring in someone with better attacking qualitys. I trust Carr to find a better player than Simmo.

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  • John

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Comment #3

    Would you give a 30 year old a 5 year deal for 60k a week based on current form? Colo has his days good and very bad ones id be a bit slow to offer 60k over 5 years to a 30 year old look at Alan Smith, Michael Owen, mark Viduka, its rare enough when a player can maintain his form after he reach’s 30 look how much the form and hunger of Rio and JT has dipped in the last two years even Lampard top top players and you can bet it will cost a pretty penny to move them on because they are tied to long term deals based prevous seasons the money would be better invested else where IMO.

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  • Level 7 Hero

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #4

    Where could Ba go in the summer? Imo…

    Man City & Man Utd… No way, not a big enough name for Man City definetly, and Man Utd don’t take ACON players.

    Arsenal… Probs not. Wenger hates admitting he’s wrong and wouldnt pay money for a striker he could have had for free a year ago. Ba is still, dispite his form a gamble, and Wenger will be recruiting proven players next season.

    Liverpool… No, obvious reasons.

    Tottenham… Hmm, depends if they tie up a permanent deal for Adebayor i reckon, if Man City say no to that, then they could come for Ba.

    PSG (Hometown club)… Maybe, but doubt it. I think what they are doing there trying to get the likes of Tevez and Pato, which 1 of which they will get next season, he could become another Gameiro, a benchwarmer. However, lure of hometown club will be strong!

    But overall, I think he will…….. Go, don’t know where.

    On the other players I’d sell:
    Coloccini (If he wont agree a reasonable contract for someone of his age)
    Simspon (or used as squad player)

    Keep the rest.

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  • Dannyo

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #5

    Reasons why they haven’t signed yet?

    – Following a strict budget
    – Possibly cutting atleast one wage here
    – Age
    – Level of ability and possible potential
    – Making room for even better players in some areas
    – Poor planning

    Plenty of reasons here.

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  • Scottishtoon95

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Comment #6

    Can’t believe some people are actually suggesting than colo should be let go! He’s one of our best players, and what he lacks in speed he makes up for in clever thinking and creativity. It is not his fault that we have conceeded so many goals recently, he trying the best with what he’s got to try and organise and what pardew’s formations allow him to do.

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  • spitfire_

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Comment #7

    “Demba Ba – Everybody must now know that the Senegal striker has a £7M release clause in his contract”

    According Redknapp and Sullivan… I’m sorry Ed but obviously it’s too easy for someone to make you believe in some totally nonsense. If Demba sign new deal will be for his good performance not to remove some “clause”. Just look what happend with Tiote. He came and after 6 months after his good games he was rewarded with new improved contract.

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  • martoon

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #8

    John @3 Agree with you about Colo, as much as he is a legend it would be ridiculous to give him a 5 year contract on megabucks – he could easily become another Alan Smith. Three year contract would seem more realistic and I would guess the contract length is one of the sticking points.

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  • terencelim

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #9

    I have no idea why Ashley apologist blame players for leaving when there is obviously issue in players’ contract. I can challenge any employees to stay in a firm when there are other firms offering better contract, let alone that footballers only have average 10 years in their career.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #10

    Just reading a few previous posts,thats my only gripe with Pards,the way he pretty much put all the players in the shop window last January,I know transfer policy is out of his hands but there is no need to carry on like a second hand car salesman in front of the nations press.

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  • Level 7 Hero

    Feb 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Comment #11

    @Scottishtoon95

    I don’t think Colo has ever had much ‘creativity’ not many CB’s do. I think people including myself dont want Colo sold, but he wants (if we believe reports) a 5 year contract on 60K per week at the age of 30 taking him to 35.

    If he actually wants that, I’d sell him in the summer to get money for him before his contract runs out. He doesn’t have pace now, can you imagine when he’s 33, 34 and 35 but still earning 60K a week.

    We’ve proved this season that players I for one thought were inexpendible in some cases arn’t but if he wants a 3 year contract on 40K a week, sign him up.

    Depends what newspaper you read i suppose.

    @Spitfire_

    Do you not think he has a release clause like? I myself am undecided. IF he has, its won’t be as simple as being 7M, and Demba gets 3M. There’ll be a inexplicable amount of hidden catches & stipulations in it.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #12

    Has everybody seen that you tube cartoon of Llambias and Ashley talking about Collo’s contract,couple of months old now but still fu*k*n hilarious.

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  • sammydolan

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #13

    From what I have been told, Guthrie doesnt want to sign a new contract, he wants a pay day & a new club in the midlands where he is from & family is…. my guess… Birmingham with Chrissy…

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  • Papiss9

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Comment #14

    Even tho Ba has a clause doesn’t mean he would go. Why stress with colo, 18 months left. Better to see in the summer who we might get in. None of our centrebacks are irreplacable.

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  • ganiyu

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Comment #15

    Demba ba is a good striker but i feel the strenght of nufc deeply lies in our midfield.
    The only player i would miss if he leaves this summer is danny guthrie because we developed and invested in him till now.
    I believe the rest are replacable in my opinion

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  • max

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Comment #16

    coloccini and guthrie signs… sell simpson and buy corluka

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #17

    sammydolan

    You’re likely right about Guthrie and I think he is in that unfortunate gap between squad player and guaranteed starter here, but would easily be guaranteed a start by Hoots though.
    Pity as we need players of his calibre here. He is not a second string player any more at all but has come on great and I like to watch him play.

    As for Ba – inertia does play a part – he is well loved by the fans. He like the Toon. He is scoring really well and has a new strike partner who is also a fellow international. Okay he may just be in for a big payday but he might also want to hang round for the ride as if we’re going for the top four he’s going to get European football in an ambitious setup. Better no1 here than No3/4 at either Manchester club. And he’s in a strong position to get a decent pay rise…

    Colo is a risk on a five year contract – 3 years would be my max. on top whack wages.

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  • Widowmaker

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #18

    Don’t think Colo will be a bad player when he is 35, bar injury. He is never the quickest and his game is hugely based on game reading and organisation. So, I would say sign him up, even for 6 years!

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  • bills-son

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #19

    It’s Collo’s last big contract and his reputation is high currently.

    He’s seen Barton and Nolan get 5 yearts deals on £60K and £80K respectively at other clubs.

    It is only natural – no matter how much he loves it here – that he is going to hold out for as near the salary he is on now and a 5 year contract or wait to see what happens in the summer That is a no brainer in my opinion.

    The contract hold up doesn’t mean Collo wants to leave and it doesn’t mean the club doesn’t want him to stay – its just part and parcel of Collo looking after his interests and the club looking after theirs.

    If Collo sticks to his reported £60K a week and 5 year contract he’ll be sold. Simple as. Because he isn’t worth that investment. 3 years £40K a week is more like it.

    Ashley will know far more about who he can get as a replacement than we do, the likely transfer fee and wages + he has shown with Cisse he’ll pay decent money for a younger finished article.

    Collo won’t interest the top 4 or Arsenal -IMO – so its LPool at best in the Prem and would they pay a fee AND pay him £60K and a 5 year deal? I doubt it.

    That means its a QPR or other more money than sense trophy signing club. And if Collo goes it’ll be purely for the money not ambition. Nowt wrong with that. But that’ll be the truth of it.

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  • VanToonMan

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #20

    Spot on there bills-son…

    If he goes…it wont be his fault or our fault. With 18months on his contract…we could still get a decent price for him and topped up with some extra cash…we would be able to replace him with quality.

    I would prefer him to stay though as i feel he has one more top quality season left in him and a lot of experience to bring to the squad and possible new incoming defenders. We definitely need a new RB….so that should be priority unless Collo goes and we need 2 new CBs!

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  • Widowmaker

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #22

    Bill-son,

    We all have our judgements and views, and I respect yours.
    Nonetheless, I think it is unfair to say that if Collo goes it’ll be purely for the money not ambition…

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  • roshan MAGPIE

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Comment #23

    I thinks its the right time for us to play full attacking FOOTBALL against a poor wolves side i think its the right time to play ben ARFA ba and cisse in the starting 11

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Comment #24

    Bill-son
    Widowmaker

    I think Bill-son (with whom I rarely agree) has got it dead right here.
    At his age and even with a young and settled family he has to look at where he’ll be at 35 and unless he wants to be a future defensive coach at SJP – which he’d be good at given his reading of the game – he’ll probably move on. £20k a week over 5 years is an extra £5.2 million in the piggy bank (safer than a Branson company)

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  • SurefootedShola

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #25

    If Colo could be sold for let’s say 7m, and that money could be used to get Douglas and Mbiwa, combined on a similar salary to what Colo is on, then it’s a no-brainer in my opinion. And I think MA will be thinking along those lines too.

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Feb 21, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Comment #26

    SF Shola

    And we’ll want stability in our back four – Pardew really values that – so the sooner we get a young and established back 6 (two extra for cover) who gel as a unit the better.
    I’m unsure about Simmo – he’s pretty good defensively most of the time but isn’t really wingback material given his upfuild distribution. Still think he’s a good squad player but would prefer a better first pick.

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  • bassongs_of_praise

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #27

    Dont mean to be picky but Enrique didnt run his contract down and become a free agent.

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  • Benton Toon Exile

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    Comment #28

    Or is it because they are leaving the contract renewals and expense to the new owners???

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  • Dannyo

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #29

    One of the many homo erotic moments in the NUFC coaching staff:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/40191515@N05/6916639279/

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #30

    On paper these incentivised deals look and sound great. Theya re added motivation for players to play for their money rather than become Michael Owen.

    2 Problems
    1) They cannot work without a solid starting 11. Atm we and they themselves have no idea who is going to be playing each week. Who is going to agree to this type of deal when they are unsure of how much they are going to actually be able to make the contract work for them (like Ba has). This applies to Guthrie, Raylor, Simmo (if we bring in defense over the summer).
    2) It simply will not work when there are better offers in the market. It would for Man U because of their ability to attract players with trophies. But why would a player sign for us over another team around us that will offer a better guarunteed wage.

    Like i say, looks and sounds good BUT
    The only players we can hope to attract on these deals are foreign players looking for entry into the Prem that will inevitably use us as a ‘stepping stone’ (even if thats BULL) when Liverpool come knocking.

    Unfortunately this is one of those times where Ashley has failed to see the differing nature between football and business. (Football players arent a sales force).

    On another note, We have to qualify for European football of some sort this season or it’ll be back to squad rebuilding in the summer.

    Offers will come in for Ba, Tiote, Cabaye, Krul and why would they stay when they could be playing in Europe or challenging for the title? (Well I can think why, unfortunately footballers dont value support and atmosphere)

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #31

    Plus I still dont get why everybody hates on Simmo so much.
    He has been solid this season and consistent. I have far more confidence in his defensive ability than I currently do in Santons.

    Yes Santon is more skillful and great on the attack. But Simmo has no protection in front of him. Santon has Jonas. I really wonder how well Santon would cope with Obertan or Benny in front of him.

    Simmo definately deserves a new contract from us. He was part of the great defense we had at the beginning of the season which was top draw in the Prem. We need a better CB for Colo and Saylor to play with.

    But our main problem is the lack of creativity from our wingers. Its too much to expect our defense to win games 1-0 for us. We need a team that can win 4-1 or 3-2. In other words we need goals and our wingers are letting us down in that respect.

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  • LGFUAD21

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Comment #32

    I wouldnt sell Colo for any less than we bought him. Top quality CBs are vital to a teams performance and about as hard to come by aswell

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  • Beattie25

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #33

    The only 2 that concern me are Krul and Ba! They are simply irreplaceable and not many teams have a top quality keeper and a 20 goal a season CF!

    Colo for me can go. Yes he is good br if we can bring in 10 million for a 30 year old cb and replace him with a younger, hungrier, quicker cb I wouldn’t complain one iota! As I have said previously Colo is only world class when he is alongside saylor. Sell him and bring in 2 CB’s with the cash.

    Guthrie is a good player but will never be top class. He looks the part in some games but is too inconsistent to be worth a new contract. I mark him over the 4 years he has been here not the 6 good games he has had this season. With Vuckic, abied and other potential youngsters to come in we don’t need him!

    Simmo is the biggest bag if shit RB in the league! Slow, has no positional sense, panics and always shows wingers onto their strong foot. Sell him to a lower level club for a couple of million and get someone else in. All he does is give away goals and then butter the toon fans up via twitter!

    If I was in charge I would use the crest of a wave we have created this season to rid our team of the mould that infests it. Who wouldve thought we could get cash for perch, Willo or even best at the beginning of the season. Put em in the shop window and turn us into the home of quality bargain players!

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #34

    LGFUAD21

    There’s always 4-3-3. Different type of players needed than conventional wingers. Think HBA would fit really well into this formation, quite possibly Obertan and then Jonas in midfield … Then you need two top quality wingbacks…

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #35

    Beatiie25

    Given that analysis am very glad you’re not in charge.
    The bargain basement approach to marketing “mould infested” players isn’t very likely to raise their sale price 🙂

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  • Beattie25

    Feb 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #36

    @ lfguad

    Everyone hates on Simmo cos he is shit

    His lack of pace acts as a counter balance to the team.

    Santon has the speed and quality to rampage forward and hold his own at the back.

    Yes santon is suseptible to being out of position but he is 21, in his first season in a new league and has already covered more ground than Simmo has since the day he was born!

    Getting a good young RB/LB to balance the defence is the top priority for me in the summer.

    A man with a wooden leg can run a marathon but without the balance it’s going to be a long journey!

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Feb 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #37

    Colo is a great player reads the game well and holds the line. He is also our captain so it is critical to renew his contract. This however should not be undertaken in isolation. It is fair to say that Colo is not the fastest, he is at his best when he plays with Tiote on the field as well. Together they are a good balance and I would look at both their contracts to safeguard our future. That said 30 is a grand age…..perhaps a 4 year contract?

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  • JamesP32

    Feb 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #38

    Im sick of this shit like, collo if you dont want to be at NUFC than please kindly f off, simple as that, same for you too danny simpson your shite as well. I feel like we need to rejuvenate our defense cause lets be honest its not very good and the only players in our defense who is talented is both S Taylor and Santon but unforunatly S Taylor is a liability who suffers injurys and is out for months on end. Get your defense sorted Newcastle for f’s sake.

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  • jesperfuglsang

    Feb 21, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Comment #39

    The short version:

    If the club and player cannot agree terms sell ’em.

    I am all for incentives; you gotta earn your money – no more slaggers. They are payed enough as it is.

    It is just sports; they are not curing cancer 🙂

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  • Premiership Manager

    Feb 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Comment #40

    Ba’s contract should be sorted out as a priority at the ealiest opportunity otherwise the club will lose out financially if he excercises his buy out clause.

    With regards to the other players MA will be waiting to see where we end up in the league regarding European qualification before commiting to any other contracts .

    This is simple business acumen and will allow him to decide what cashflow is released on new contracts based on what income we will receive over the financial year.

    Although this is a sound business policy, I expect Tiote to leave in the summer and on that basis I would offer Guthrie a new contract asap, however we have other good CM’s in Cabye, Gosling, Abeid and Vukic so he will probably bide his time before coming to a decision.

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