Newcastle’s 20 year-old striker Nile Ranger today denied assaulting two revellers and two police officers during a night out in the Newcastle city center.
Nile Ranger - in court again today
The Londoner faces charges of assault occasioning actual bodily harm against Stephen Simpson and David Armstrong.
IN addition to that he also faces charges of assault by beating against two police officers, while he was out in the Newcastle city center on August 27th.
The England U19 striker appeared before Newcastle Crown Court today, but he denied all charges, and the outcome of the hearing was that he will now go on trial on June 26th, and the trial is expected to last for around three days.
The striker was signed from Southampton in August of 2008, after some troubled times as a juvenile, and at first he seems to do well on Tyneside, and not only played well and made a number of first team appearances, but he also kept himself out of trouble.
But that all seems to have ended last summer, when he was brought up for a drunk driving offense and then these charges of assault.
At the hearing this morning Judge Guy Whitburn agreed to continue Ranger’s conditional bail, which disallows him from entering the city center in Newcastle, which is designated as the parking meter zone.
The one proviso to that is when he is selected to play a home game for Newcastle United, which we don’t think will be anytime soon.
We expect Ranger to be sold in the summer, if Newcastle can find a team that will take him, although one obstacle to that happening is that he signed a lucrative five and a half year contract back in October of 2010.
It may be difficult for another club to match those terms: Ranger played 58 times for Newcastle with 3 goals.
Francisco Jiménez Tejada – better known as Xisco
And that just so happens to be a similar situation that Newcastle have with Xisco.
The Spanish U21 International still has 18 months left of his £50K/week deal at Newcastle he signed back in 2008, and Newcastle are having trouble unloading the Spaniard.
The 25 year-old has played only 9 times for Newcastle with one goal, which he scored on his debut against Hull City, but Newcastle have been unable to transfer him and get him off the wage bill over the last two summers.
And that’s mainly because of his high wages, and he’s on loan at his former club Deportivo for this season.
Ranger and Xisco are two well paid strikers who have no future at the Newcastle club.
Comments welcome.
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321 responses so far ↓
1 Indian Magpie // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM
i am willing to give ranger a chance, xisco i feel he was treated unfairly. let him go if it helps
2 ParisToon // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Indian – why give Ranger a chance when he’s hauled before the courts, like Joey Barton we should get rid asap.
3 TemuriKetsbaia // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM
TDS. Yeah looks like Stekelenberg will get the nod. Fine by me… Krul’s a machine.
4 billy // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Come the summer a good clear out from the manager to Ranger,simpson,willamson,guthrie,ameobi,colocini,perchetc etc!
5 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Both Ranger and Xisco need to go a.s.a.p. They clearly don’t have a part to play and are just preventing us bettering our squad. As Edd’s article says though….”Can We?”
6 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM
Go on then Billy…amaze me with your insight…who should be Pardew’s replacement?
7 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:54 PM
Billy you truly r a smb the only insight billy has is how to get ball deep in teds ass
8 ted // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Billy your spot on a good clear out to many championship players at the club you can see by the way cabaye berates them that he realises hes carrying the likes of guthrie and perch hes not used to playing along side plodders like these and yet pardew thinks guthrie and perch are good players thats why he has to go.
9 ParisToon // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Now now children, its a NUFC blog not a bloody slanging match!
10 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Dear God i hope they manage to get rid.
11 bob // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM
davybtoon alchemist posted a good comment about your job ha ha!
12 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 4:58 PM
U know I used to wonder why all the regulars I used to discuss football with on here dont comment anymore, I dont do that anymore
13 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM
It’s not surprising is it WWJBD
14 billy // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:01 PM
Ha ha i read that one bob davybtoon tongue job for pardews ass!
15 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Not even remotely Ibiza mate
16 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM
WWJBD
Anyone going to the Scum match this weekend?
17 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:05 PM
@WWJBD
I smell an outbreak of trolls, must be the upcoming derby
18 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM
archaromag
Yeah I was thinking the same tbh
19 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Billy, bob n ted u lot truly kno f@@k all about football bet not even one of u go to match, 2 of u hav openly admitted we havent had a good manager or team in the last 50 year bcoz we hav won nothing Mackem twats
20 -Tendo- // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM
this blog is just a slanging match nowadays with bob/ billy and ted….i wouldn’t surpirse me if they are one in the same….and no bob i am hardly the voice of reason, it’s jsut that you three bore the absolute shite out of me with you’re petty bickering, if i remeber correctly bob aren’t you supposed to be a bored retired old man? becuase you act like a 10 year old
21 G // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Meanwhile back on the thread, there is still a little part of me that wants both of these players to do well at the toon. Ranger has bags of talent, but no idea how to use it, and Xisco was signed by somebody not involved in first team affairs, but never rated by those that do have involvement in first team affairs. I know there is a big difference between the Prem and a pre-season friendly, but can anybody remember just at the start of what turned out to be our relegation season, Xisco started a couple of friendlies on the left wing, and looked brilliant? Wouldn’t it be nice if he came in again, did the business and we actually got a few quid in return for his services?
22 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM
i think PARDEw will play the same starting 11 which played against wolves in our derby match
23 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:16 PM
G….I’ve not seen enough of Xisco to comment really. But if we can’t get rid, might as well try and use him where we can.
I agree Ranger does have talent….but so far the trouble he brings outweighs the talent
24 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM
all the indians in this BLOG our derby game will be shown live on ESPN at 5-30 PM
25 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Roshan….Most likely. What would be your line-up for the weekend?
26 G // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM
@post 23. Ranger is happy to live in his little imaginary world of pretend gangsters (gangsta’s? Sorry, not down with the kids anymore!) and glamorous criminals in Chelsea Tractors. If he cant iron that out of his system, then I agree with the comments above that we should get rid at the earliest oportunity.
27 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:21 PM
G…Gangsta’s would be correct. Time will tell…although I’m not sure he’s got too much time to put it right anymore
28 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Billy bob and ted are one and the same. They have a planb ring about them, and as mentioned before seem to be mackem trolls. I do hope the more constructive posters stick around and don’t let these neggers and moaners win out.
On topic, both players have one thing in common – they are paid disproportionately high wages for their talent / commitment / professionalism. Ranger secured his deal and immediately went into idle, Xisco the same but he knew he had landed on both his left feet as a very ordinary payer who slid in under the scouying radar. I expect thwm to do a Campbell / Smudger and eke every last penny out of us, thereby making us wait for at least two if not more good players coming in.
29 -Tendo- // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Tsunki – i’m glad it’s not just me thinking that! notice they’ve all gone at once. Tea time maybe…
30 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Phone = typos sorry
31 -Tendo- // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Xisco will surely do a smudger, but with everythign ranger has done, surely he is in breach of contract by now?
32 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Tendo….either bed time for the kiddies or they’re on a hot date with each other
33 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Tendo – didn’t planb have to go about this time? I remember someone actually posting the exact time he would disappear and he did right on cue, suggesting a call for tea by mam.
34 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:29 PM
@G
I think Xisco does not want to play in England for personal reasons; as for Ranger it is always disappointing when ‘one of own’ lets us down. Football is about hope – so on a good day you imagine he will grow out of it; but corporate minded NUFC will want to clean the problem, although they will also want a return on investment.
35 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM
On topic although I do see why these two are being compared I think its unfair towards Xisco he came here and wanted to play football then developed (rumoured) attitude issues because of how he was treated
Ranger seems to be a footballer on the side he wants to be a gangster. His attitude was there from the beginning of his NUFC career.
I still feel a bit sorry for Xisco whereas I have no pity at all for Ranger. Both are paid way over what they are worth but I dont blame them for that, they didnt hold a gun to MA’s head and force these contracts. I dont think we will get rid of Xisco unless we agree to pay most of his wages at another club but Ranger we may have ground to sack in June we will have to wait and see
36 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:35 PM
It always gets me that in our crappy world of working for a living if we were constantly in court and unable to work because of our outrageous lifestyle we would get a p45 jammed iin our mouth and booted into the company car park. How come these barton ranger types seem to hold their employers to ransom for house money per week? Where are the clubs employment lawyers?
37 -Tendo- // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:38 PM
hahaha yeah i think ya right, this blog is so much better when people like them aren’t on it, we can talk actually talk about NUFC instead of getting drawn into fueds with the little shites!!
I have a mate who supports southamton and worked there for a bit and he told me they released him because he was nicking kits and giving them out to his mates, dont know how thruhful it is but wouldnt surpirse me
38 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:38 PM
TSUNKI my team will be
KRUL
RAYLOR
WILLIAMSON
COLO
SANTON
GUTHRE
TIOTE
CABAYE
BEN ARFA
CISSE
BA
and the formation will be 4 3 3 or else we can play this team in a 4 1 2 1 2 formation with Tiote cdm and ben ARFA behind ba and cisse
39 -Tendo- // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:42 PM
i know it’s easier siad then done but if we just ignore bill ted and bob we won’t fuel all these arguments. At least after sunday they should crawl into there holes for a few weeks to save any embarrasment
40 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Roshan…So drop Raylor and Guti for Guthrie and Arfa?
41 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM
Tendo…think you’re right…best just to ignore them really…lesson learned
42 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:49 PM
I think its simmo and jonas he means. Not gonna happen. I don’t think there will be much muckimg around with the team for this one.
43 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:50 PM
Just watching MOTD2 and Asrenal turned it on against Spurs if they keep that form up from now until the end of the seaon 4th is theres….but they are so on and off this season its hard to see them doing it.
Chelsea are in turmoil but if AVB doesnt pull them through the players will stand up and drag them through. Liverpool being in FA cup should do us in good stead though more games and they dont have a big squad (much like us not great depth) I could see us nicking 6th
44 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:50 PM
Yep its a done deal then – ignore the bobtedbilly brigade until they contribute.
45 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Tsunki…you’re absolutely right…my bad…Raylor’s replaced simmo!
46 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM
tsunki i dropped GUTI and simpson
47 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Roshan…Jonas is Guti
48 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM
WWJBD agree with bout xisco the circumstances he arrived at the club meant his toon career was over before it started which is a shame cos hes looked alright in the games ive seen him play although his record in spain suggest hes far from prolific having said that ive heard tgey play him LW alot over there
As for ranger get shot hes a wrong ‘un plain and simple allegedly kicked out the palace youth system for being in a gang of car thieves, 11 weeks in prison at southampton for armed robbery we gave a huge opportunity and he’s p1ssed it up the wall hope tgey lock the little fu cker up so we can sack him and hope no club touches him with a barge pole
49 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:59 PM
WWJBD…if chelsea and arsenal perform to their capability 4th or 5th aren’t going to be ours…I’ll be happy if we finish above liverpool though
Is that me not having any ambition? Damn….I’m an Ashley lover now, aren’t I?
50 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM
On a side note, all be it a bit slow! Just read your health update ed hlad to hear you’ve finished your radiation treatment and hopefully now your well on the road to recovery, keep fighting mate were all here right behind you supporting you all the step of the, afterall your a geordie through and through, a fighter, keep up the fantastic work on the blog and hopefully the true fans can return this blog back to its full glory of the old days instead of the school playground its become after all were all united by one thing NUFC
HWTL
51 planb's revenge // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM
xisco is on such high wages considering his contribution to our team in the years he’s been here. another in a list of horrendous buys our club has made. now that is being rectified. buying good players at the right price not ‘has been’s and ‘never will be’s. looking forward to our early business in the next window. but looking forward to this years makem smashing event first
52 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM
@WWJBD – “if they keep that form up ”
that’s the point – nobody is consistent enough, , almost everybody gets tonked by 4 or 5 – I thought that about Spurs the week before
A week is a long time in football!
53 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM
toonarmydownsouth
I agree with all that haha I dont see Ranger getting into another PL team once we are rid of the gobsh*te tbh
Ibizatoon
Ashley lover or a mackem mate thats what u’ll be labelled. But I will be chuffed with a top 7 finish very much punching above where we were aiming
54 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM
*glad not hlad!
55 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM
YES IBIZA JONAS IS GUTI AKA SPIDER MAN WHAT IS YOUR POINT
56 ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:09 PM
IBIZA i dropped simpson because he cant pass or cross the balL RAYLOR can do that job in right back and can defend better than simpson and GUTI has a good work rate other than that not much IS there in his game he gets us lots of free kicks other than he IS not that usefull K K K
57 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM
archaeomag
Agreed mate but I think Spurs have been bang on form all season barring very early season and this past weekend they must be locked into 3rd imo.
Arsenal and Chelsea are hot favourites for 4th and 5th and then its between us and Liverpool for 6th and 7th at the moment atleast
58 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:49 PM
I think its simmo and jonas he means. Not gonna happen. I don’t think there will be much muckimg around with the team for this one.
ROSHAN // Feb 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM
tsunki i dropped GUTI and simpson
59 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM
@Roahan 38
I think my point is ‘no width’
60 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM
Thought you were correcting Tsunki when he was correcting me…that is all… no need for the caps
61 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:13 PM
WWJBD…oh well…life will have to go on!
62 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM
@WWJBD –
I am one of those who is unsure if we are ready for Euro -footie; Delighted if we finish above Liverpool.
63 Ibizatoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Roshan…I generally agree with you…except maybe on guti…he’s one of my fav’s
64 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Long time nothing new WWJBD
What’s you been up too? Do you know what happened to Niafron?
I dont come as often as I use to and havent seen him in ages.
65 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Ibizatoon
Haha
archaromag
I am with u on that but at the same time if we get European footy we will be able to attract a higher class of player and hopefully keep our current squad appeased. I dont want another summer of gutting our squad and replacing with cheaper/free options
66 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:20 PM
jesper
He didn’t like all the fighting
.
67 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM
jesper
Haha nar am still a miserable sod at heart
I dont come on here that often anymore either mate and I aint seen our french scout for a while either maybe he got sick as well?
68 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM
i miss naifron.always gave good details on our reported French targets
69 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:23 PM
TDS, the tone has also been exceotionally bad lately
70 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM
WWJBD & jesper
Yeah I was being serious aha, he did get sick of all the abuse being traded! There’s so many people who never post any more, it’s disappointing.
I wonder what it was that caused it to get so bad? Is it really just Pardew polarising opinions to the point of civil war? (;
71 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM
i feel sorry for xisco to, never given a fair chance, and i think because he was not one of pardews signings , its easy for him to push to one side,
you carnt do anything with ppl like ranger, he will realize when he is older what a chance he, pretty much like normal adults saying i wish i stuck in more at school, right now even if he only gets a grand a week, he can act the big guy around kids his own age, nice car , playing for a big club, just thinks he is invinceble , let him go and join the real world
but really there should be a bit of a clean out, perch obertan shola, willamson simpson smith should also be moved on, and bring in some players and play some of the kids we already have, they will only make it to the next level if they are put into that inviroment, they carnt learn prem football in the reserve team, or on loan in the championship
72 iwantcurlyhair2 // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:27 PM
Loads of Mackems on twitter giving it large. Must win game for us. What do we think the score will be ?
73 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:28 PM
@WWJBD
- More money and better players is the plus, but I fear our league form would suffer.
Amazing how relegation changes your outlook!
I am sure the club would regard Euro-footie as an important step forward, so by and large is probably a good thing.
74 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM
catchy
Xisco was pushed aside long before Pardew came here! I’m sorry but no way can you blame Pardew for that.
75 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:29 PM
Christ I feel bad for doing this…I know for a fact I will regret it….but I simply cant help myself
Heres, what I consider to be, a fair article on HBA
http://nufcfans.co.uk/slider/blog-how-do-we-solve-a-problem-like-ben-arfa/
Apologies for the argument that will now begin again
76 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM
catchy in norway as much as i feel for xisco u cant blame pardew weve had 3 managers since then in JFK super al n chrissy hoots also cant see us flogging obertan weve only just signed him
77 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:31 PM
WWJBD
TDS seems to think as well.
Too bad I think
Went through some post today – even tried to post a bit, but the harsh tone and herd mentality was back…
So I left
lol
78 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:33 PM
archaromag
I would totally agree though Birmingham did pretty well in Europa and are still doing very well in their league so it can be done….just a question of whether we would be able to do it
79 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Keep ranger sell xisco
80 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM
jesper
Aye mate I think there are a lot these days who simply cant be bothered with the stupid insulting and horrible atmosphere that has surrounded this blog
I often do the same as u did today bud haha its often just not worth the effort
81 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:36 PM
WWJBD nooooooooooooo! Why would you do that lad?
82 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:37 PM
WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM
i agree on the spurs being a form team all season, i think they could even catch man u, who i believe have been hot and cold this year, man c have also had good form all season, i also agree with ars and che being 4th and 5th, but i have to dissagree with us fighting for 6th,
i know this may be hard to believe, but up until pardew took over i was always optomistic about all of our games, but in pardew i dont trust, in the same way i didnt trust sam al,
the proof is there for all to see, he lies alot, he watches a different game to most of us, as he thinks we are a passing team, well we are, but it goes from krul to ba, or def to ba, we have been beating football wise by nearly every team we have played this year, and we have been lucky too many times, lady luck isnt always on our side, and when she isnt, we seem to look bad and loose
83 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:37 PM
TDS
Frustration I think mate; some took everything to heart and took it very personally.
And I think the herd mentality was a killer
Most of the old gang I had a quite discussion with – agreeing og disagreeing had a civil tone. I usually liked those discussions
84 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:39 PM
i agree that we have had other managers that all have not gave him a chance, but pardew seems to like the underdog, he sticks with perch shola obertan and we all know they arnt good enough
85 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:39 PM
The Europa league debate IMO is all about how u manage your squad for me we would hav to let players like tav fergie abeid Vukic ranger n anymore youngsters r around the first team bigger responsibility bcoz u need to rotate if you play your first 11 every Thursday n sunday they will tire n then we could struggle
86 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:42 PM
@WWJBD
@HBA –
it’s all about retaining the ball, [and pressure on the ball out of possession], and HBA looses the ball too often; prem players get their foot in and take the ball off him, making what ever skill he has used in making his approach almost irrelevant!
I think he will come good, but perhaps he has to learn to play as part of a team more.
87 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Hope we sign that corgnet in the summer and that other lad, not even gonna try and spell his name! If we make europa we need a strong mid that can rotate we also need, well basically a whole back 4 aswel!
88 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM
toonarmydownsouth
I am sorry
Haha I know I know I feel bad for doing it but its a good article
catchy
But its not all Krul to Ba or defence to Ba regularly its Colo-Tiote-Cabaye-Gutti-Santon-Titoe-Cabaye-Ba-Cisse-Cabaye-Raylor-Simmo-Cabaye-Ba-goal
Yes if Willo, Simmo, Raylor or even Colo get in trouble its lumped forward what teams dont do that?
89 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM
@catchy
Surely AP plays the players he has available, and, from his perspective, will do what he asks them to do to the best of their ability – how ever limited you may perceive that to be!
90 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:48 PM
Archeomag no doubt HBA is a huge talent but them prem isnt the kind of league you can rely on flicks n tricks, for me the only readon hes not in the team is his decision making its poor think pards will overlook his lack of tracking back but dont tgink he will be a regular until we get a RB who does need as much help, i like simmo but cant see him developing much more i also think santoon will be moved to rb when we get our lb of choice the club has shown its mire tgan willing to wait for there 1st choice
91 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:52 PM
davyb
Nice talking to you earlier today; when I came back you had a flock of hyenas at your throat
So I left
92 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Catchy – what exactly do u want we’re 6th we’ve been top 7 all season we are 3pts off are total points tally from last season, you keep going on about long ball football which I agree krul kicks it long a lot more than he should, but we are not a hoof ball team jus look at colo santon cabaye tiote Jonas ba cisse hba obertan staylor when fit n marveux they all like the ball on the deck n pass it about, if u think we play long ball now what the hell did we do under houghton n fat Sam we truly were long ball team then n may I ad pardew is having to rebuild from the ground up, spurs r fantastic but has taking Harry a few seasons to build that team n get them playing that football which is what it will take pardew u can’t do it over NYC
93 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:57 PM
HBA is a very good solo player no doubt but I dont think he is fully fit, I dont think he is into the team mentality and I dont think he has gotten into the speed of the league yet
Next season hopefully he will settle down more relax and show some graft though the return of Marv (whom I have high hopes for if we can keep him fit) will push him more and of course theres Sammy, Obertan, Raylor, Cisse, Ba and hopefully some more recruits to fight off as well
Still think he will be very good for us eventually as long as his attitude can be kept in check and he doesnt spit his dummy out…..if he does then have fun big lad we will roll on with out u and u can return to France most likely
94 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:57 PM
@TDS can’t disagree with any that; I like the commitment from Simmo, but he is not really an attacking threat, not enough quality on his crosses.
Who is our best crosser of the ball?
95 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:57 PM
That’s night not NYC
Jesper lol am big lad I can take the abuse I had summer of it but you know what I don’t care bcoz I hav been proved ryt on most of my points from the summer, I really don’t mind other ppl havin an opinion that’s what life’s about think there is a few mackems on here this week though pretending to b toon fans
96 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:00 PM
davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 6:53 PM
what will you say when we drop out of the top 7???
97 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:02 PM
catchy
When is that going to happen?
98 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:03 PM
WWJBD if goes back to france then hes obviously not up for the challenge!
Archeomag at the mo would have to say santoon or raylor both have a great cross, jonas does put decent balls in but not enough for a winger although he does work his butt off all 90 mins and as for obertan, well ive never seen him cross the ball so couldnt say!
Ba and tiote also have a deadly cross on them!
99 Tooooon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Is Krul Starting??
100 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Catchy cheer up ffs!!! Every team in the league has had ups and downs this season pardew only took over last december u wont see the ‘pardew vision’ til next signing when he can fully make all the signings he and carr want as davy said u cant rebuild a squad over night
101 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:07 PM
Oh no…
Don’t start calling toonarmydownsouth TDS, or this could get very confusing.
102 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:07 PM
@ TDS
That’s it – Strikers are always the best crossers!
Shearer was magnificent at putting the ball in the box and the net.
103 Rotonda heights // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:08 PM
davybtoon
I think that’s the whole point, with the players we’ve got it is hard to understand why pardew is telling ball players to hoof it and slow turning defenders to play a high line in a very rigid 442, when these players are used to a fluid 433 and playing it from the back, not looking to play offsides. Yes we are 6th at the moment, but I think that has more to do with a lot of luck and some wonderful individual brilliance from Krul and BA.
Our play is disjointed and we play with fear.
104 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Catchy we probably only need another 13pts to b sure of top7 finish if you go off past seasons and we still hav scum, Norwich, stoke, Liverpool, arsenal, Chelsea all teams around us to play so I can’t see dropping out of it as four of those games r at home along with Bolton Wigan Swansea who we’ve still to play aswell
So the question is what will u say when we make the top 7?
105 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Sorry – TDS, I meant TADS, – I’m dyslexic.
106 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Agreed but where else is his stock at a decent level? I dont see him leaving tbh we wont get money back for him let alone a profit so no reason for MA to sell imo
Unless he royally kicks off then he might be off but hopefully he has grown past doing such things
107 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Also think we put ourselves under unnecissary pressure with, and pls dont shoot me down cos i love the kid, but kruls distribution is so poor, we always look most dangerous when start from collo,tiote and santon we just dont win those arial battles
108 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Rotonda
I think the Wolves game made me realise why we play such a high line to be honest.
Against Wolves, Pardew abandoned the high line – not sure why really – but we saw how much our defense struggles with balls lumped into the box.
Maybe it’s to guard against that. When we defend deep our defense – Willo mainly, but I don’t want to put too much emphasis on him – is so unbelievably clumsy.
109 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Well at least there is no abuse tonite
just a good lod discussion.
Long may it last! lol
110 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Rotonda please tell me which players hoof it bcoz I can tell u 3 and 2 of them do it because they jus ain’t comfortable on the ball
As for krul he has take some of the blame for kicking it long there are times players are asking him for it but refuses n tells them to push up
On the 433 I wouldn’t mind seeing it but your all assuming the players want to play that formation they may like playing 442
111 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:14 PM
@TDS proper mind fu ck!!!
112 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:16 PM
Haha Kruls goal kicks are p*ss poor it must be said fantastic shot stopper and pretty good at crosses/freekicks, also good understanding with his defence but his kicks arent up to the rest of his game BUT that will come with time
113 archaeomag // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM
@toonarmydownsouth
I would go so far to say that Harper is better at kicking out of hands than Krul, although I think he is improving; We do loose a lot of possession from his kicks – but you also need someone how can receive a kick; Shola is probably the best at that!
114 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:19 PM
I also agree we have been playing with fear since probably around xmas time but thats possibly because we have something to lose now? Fans were praying for a top 10 finish start of the season now they are expecting a top 6 thats a huge change and a huge amount of pressure on both team and manager
(Getting all my thoughts across before the blog bombs back into the abuse and helmets haha)
115 Rotonda heights // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM
toondownsouth,
you may have a point here, I hadn’t thought of that.
davybtoon
Again you may have a point. but it’s not natural for continental players to play 442 and the keepers always throw the ball out whenever possible. Simmo just turns his back and runs away.
116 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:20 PM
Archaeomag yeah to be fair to shola he wins everything in the air
117 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Fergy starting for the Irish brilliant, Krul on the bench very good and England squad that (barring Barry) looks very good imo
118 bettyswallocks // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:25 PM
I would like to agree with Rotonda.
Winning games is obviously important but surely some of the French contingent would prefer to play the way they have been coached previously. ie. on the ground with short passes.
Theres no point having creative midfielders when Krul is the route one supply line to Ba
119 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM
Rotonda i agreed with Beattie b4 that if we played 433 we wud hav to play santon ryt back n fergie left back bcoz they r both good goin forward n on the ball
Simpson n Williamson r to blame for a lot of our goals ATM there both very poor n lacking confidence
120 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Paul dummitt played the last 30mins for Wales under 21s in there 4-0 win today future toon left back
121 jesperfuglsang // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:30 PM
What do you guys recon – will Pardew play Ameobi against 5under1and?
If I remember correctly he didnt have the best of games the last time and wasnt the mackem slayer he used to be
122 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:31 PM
This is what frustrates me bcoz ppl see krul kick it long they assume we play long ball football n no passing football what so ever but if you actually watch the match u will see everyone in the team bar krul willo n simpson keep it on the deck n play passing football
123 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Jesper no it will b ba n cisse don’t think we ever had any intention of letting cisse go away this week
124 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:34 PM
We already won more games this season than last n we’ve kept more clean sheets this season yet more signs of improvement the list just goes on
125 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Oh and Pieters is starting for Holland
126 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Krul’s kryptonite is his long kicking unfortunately, I remember seeing some woeful stats on that recently. I’m sure that will clean up a bit but it’s probably not all his fault as it’s coupled with some pretty random placing of bodies upfield to be fair. In times past we used to have a couple of lads up front who could receive a punt with their back to defence and hold the ball up but we don’t seem to at the minute. Plus movement up front seems sluggish a lot of the time as well, hopefully as Cisse gets into the groove this will change and Ba will get some help with this part of the game. Having said that, I never liked the long boot upfield it’s something reserved for 85mins+ and losing really. We could do with our defenders being more willing to receive the ball and play out, plus is it just me or does anyone else wonder why outfield players pass back to goalie who punts it long, when the outfield player could have done it, probably better, themselves?
127 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Anyone go to the under 18s game on Monday nyt if so do u think they played good attacking football?
128 TOONARMY4LIFE // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:43 PM
lads going st james for first time on 18th march wheres the best place to sit for atmosphere?? gallowgate end i heard???
129 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:43 PM
I’ll be watching Fergy play against us (Norway) now
Also, Andy Woodman is on twitter if u lot didin’t know 
130 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Is fergie playing left back ?
131 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:50 PM
Dannyo
Do keep us updated on how our kid does
davy
I think he is playing LW
132 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:51 PM
N-I are playing 4-4-2, Fergy is on the LW.
133 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Tiote meant to have played 90 minutes of the 0-0 game and came through fine
Vuckic on the bench and is expected to play at some point
134 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:52 PM
@Cachy
I agree we don’t play the best football but Collo and Santon play the ball nicely into midfield and then cabaye, jonas, guthrie, nd tiote all play it nicely. Problem is Krul kicks long too often (might be because he knows if he gives it to simmo or willo they will just do that anyway) if you notice teams pressure our left side of defence more to stop collo and santon playing it out (i noticed this at the few games i have been to this year, not as obvious when i just get to see tv highlights) but they let simmo and willo have more time as they just hoof it long.
You have to give pardew credit in that he has only had one summer transfer window to buy players (not much business done in jan windows) and we have got much better than when he first took over and it was just long to carroll 95% of the time.
I think pardew gets too much stick (look at AVB at chelsea, had a better squad to start with and spent £70mil since he took over) they still struggle to play good football the way he had porto going. Pardew is getting the best out of the side, playing to their stengths, we play a mixed game of passing and long ball (this is definitely getting better than under houghton when it was long to carrol from either the keeper or from barton).
Hope people see this and give him time instead of presuming we will slip down the league, we are joint third form side in the prem league (behind city and man utd) level form with arsenal and spurs in last 6 games….so not all doom and gloom.
135 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:53 PM
@WWJBD
“Do keep us updated on how our kid does.” Didn’t know we had a kid mate, lol.
136 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:57 PM
Dannyo
Haha well he is only a small Irishman I thought u wouldnt mind adopting him with me! I promise I will feed him and walk him every day!
137 cyprus // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:58 PM
If you look for role models in footballers you are looking at the wrong place. People like gerrard, terry can attest to that and the fans stuck by them. On the other hand ex nufc players like barton and bellamy have come good, doing much community work behind the scenes. Not saying this is the case for ranger, but he is only a kid. AP, if you are good at man management, show it with this talented lad.
138 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 7:59 PM
@WWJBD
All those Northern Irelanders looks so scrawny to me, someones not feeding them enough. Give Fergy a year with the weights and he’ll be a green hulk playing there in comparison, lol.
139 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Oh, Fergy with a class touch then. He chased down a long cross from the oposite side of the field and fired it into the box on the volley, the striker couldn’t get his toe on it.
Nice one.
140 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM
davybtoon and TDS
honestly, i have nothing but admeration for your optomistic view on where our team is right now, 7th right now is much much better than i had hoped for at the start of the season,
BUT
you say look at his vision, HMMMM well if this is a little glimps into what is about to come from him , then im telling you right now i dont want it,
right now we are sitting 6th, europe is well within our grasp, but it is also a million miles away from us in terms of the football that will be played by team that get into europe, we dont play football, we hoof it long, and it is starting to show with some of our ball playing players, they look like they carnt pass short,
remember that saying about team sometimes having to grind results out, normall its teams like man u , when there having a bad game, they grind out a 1 nil win, well thats how i feel our season has been , a long hard grind with lots of luck,
im not knocking luck, every team needs it, but not as much as we have this season
also, pardew, his vision, omg, why does the guy who is getting paid lots of money keep making the same mistakes, and you can see him on the side lines looking and thinking what is happening, its like ground hog day, high defence, against pacey strikers, i used to get sick of watching us do the same against liverpool and nikos getting punished every time by mr owen, pardew must be able to see that is coming,
another point about steven taylor, we miss him, yes, but every season has been the same, he gets a massiv injury that keeps him out for months, so for pardew not to see that the df was more of a priority than another forward is way strange, the only thing i can think of is that he has a suspision that ba will be off in the summer,
i really do like a guy like pardew , he is a nice guy, you can tell that by the way he sticks by the players, but by sticking by players i feel he is letting the club and the fans down
the club should always be put first, and that mightg mean playing better players with less experiance or a bad attitude first, if that means we have a stronger team,,
2 players left for the ACN, and he made it look like we had lost the whole team, is that good management??
im not knocking your opinion, but this is mine, he is not better than CH, he will take us backwards, CH had one season to build confidence in a team that lost a lot of star players and he won the league with players like shola smith perch best, i feel pardew has better players, but no real clue how to play them
141 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Yeh I agree cyprus….if you sack people off when they are that young where do they go? probs has no qualifications so if not football what? benefits? crime? you can’t disregard people who have a criminal record for life….other wise you have a two tier society where these people never have a chance to atone.
But at the same time, Ranger has to be willing to learn and change otherwise whatever Pardew does will be thrown back in his face
142 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM
Dannyo
Haha I hope Fergy gets a chance in our team soon where ever it may be LB or LW…hell try him at striker if it fits the lad in
143 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM
No offence Catchy I just think you are worrying about issues which aren’t there. It takes time to get a team playing the way you want, and it you watch you see the more talented ball players do tend to keep the ball on the floor, but at the same time if barcelona had perch, ameobi, simpson and williamson in their tem they would struggle as them players cant take part in the pass and move game as they dont have the ability so sometimes we need to bypass these players which is why cabaye, etc are playing the long ball.
See who we sign in the summer and if we have a starting 11 of good players and still play as much long stuff fair enough, but for now we just need to grind out results until these players are bought.
And under houghton we just played everything long into carroll and shola….not like he had us playing total football
144 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:07 PM
Fergy looking extremely lively, the cause of most things happening on the left flank, a huge outlet for N-I atm.
145 Toon Tang // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:07 PM
wheres rita sue and bob. have they finally given upon posting hahaha?
146 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:08 PM
Really hope we go back in for pieters they must really rate him if hes gone straight in to the holland national team after only half an hour of football in 4 months!!
147 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:11 PM
agree TDS he must be rted highly….but holland have a very poor defence so hard to judge really….looks lively so far
148 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Catchy houghton did nothing but play long ball football his tactic was to jus lump it up to Carroll, also u say houghton had players like best n perch n Simpson well it is pardew that has got them to play there best football so sorri but pardew is a hell of lot better than pardew
Catchy I ask u the same question who lumps it long in our team? Bet u don’t say more than 3 players names
149 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:12 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Who is the alternative LB for Holland? Pieters does look big and strong just dont know enough about the Holland team to say whether he is in because he is rated or because they have no one else?
150 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Fergy with a near assist again, chips the ball into the box beautifully, but the keeper is awake parading 3 shots in a row.
151 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:14 PM
rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:06 PM
thats my point,,
he said abied would play in CM when tiote was away, i feel he would have been a better option than perch
simpson at left back , great for goal line blocks, but crap footballer, and santon could play there and ferg lb, even james tavaner would be worth a try, evryone is expecting big things from him at nufc
shola, hmmm ahead of HBA, no way on any day of the year, he could have played best up front alone with more support from midfield, instead, shola up front, best sticking to the left wing, HBA sticking to the right, ball being hoofed up to shola, and no support,, the strangest 433 iv ever seen
that is his tactics, and i dont like them
willamson, he knew what he was like before, so a new CB was a priority, not a forward
152 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:15 PM
Petiers looking good so far
153 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM
davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:11 PM
again thats my point, if he is trying to play football, why let them 3 do it, coach out of them,
krul willamson simpson,
and i have to disagree, CH mixed it up more, cos i can remember barton putting in lots of crosses, i also seen jonas put plenty in, and yes it was against champ teams, but, its a much tougher league , physicaly
154 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Catchy it wud b the strangest 433 because it was 4231 formation
155 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:18 PM
WWJBD Hes been the regular lb since van bronkhorst they also have emanualson from ac milan and royston drenthe who is naturally an attacking full back
156 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:19 PM
TOONARMY4LIFE – you’re in for a treat matey! Gallowgate best and most noisy especially if you’re directly behind the goal and about 2/3 up. Good view and the noisy lads are right up behind you singing constantly.
157 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:19 PM
you have to addmit, pardew is way to safe, he never seems to see a team and think lets go at them,
every game is set out defensivly, keep a draw or nick a goal
158 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM
ok then davy
4231
10 df players and shola up front alone
159 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Catchy tbf willo had a pretty good season last season til he broke his arm the lad was solid looks like hes lost all his confidence
160 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM
Yeh i know what your saying Catchy, i just think when it comes to youngsters we might think they are better but Pardew see’s them every day in training so he will have a better idea, maybe they just struggle to handle the pace/power of the first team…hard for us to judge exactly.
I would like to see 4-3-3 with ba—-cisse—–HBA as the front three but maybe they try these in training games and it doent work out….we just dont know.
Like I said give him time and see where we end up in after the summer and how the team line up next year.
Also Pardew was on Match of the Day on sunday and made a reference to not being able to sign an older player he liked (or older players in general) so he is limited in transfers….maybe he asked for a defender and Ashley wouldn’t sign it off as he would rather see cisse…I like Ashleys model but sometimes older players offer vital experience, I do think Pardew is limited in who he can sign so signings might not be his fault.
161 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM
@Catchy
My thoughts on why we aren’t doing other formations is due to the fact that 4-4-2 has been quite good for us this season. We played our unbeaten streak like that, it still works ok.
It’ll get us through the season, no point changing it now that the players are used to it. Use the summer to add players who’s more like the style Pardew has said he really wants to play.
Then i belive we’ll see a different team next season, building even further on this season.
162 mansize scotty // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM
I’m a new starter 2 this. Just heard sessennogn is out for 4 weeks. Picked up a injury in Africa. Anybody else heard this?
163 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Drenthe has played LB? Bloody hell Id never have him there he is all attack no defence from what I have seen
Pieters must be rated pretty highly rated then. Would be happy to get him in
Also have to say England looking pretty good in this team
164 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM
Oh and catchy also think first 12/13 games this season is the best football ive seen jonas play he was phenominal really think pards gets more out the lads than hoots
165 tomtoon7 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Pieters is lookin good unlike England<great at playin ball sideways all night long but always broken down easily goin forward.Cmon England!!
166 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:26 PM
hit he nail on the head there Danyo….you cant change a team in a season and a half, especially on a limited budget.
167 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:27 PM
WWJBD aye drenthe started his madrid caretr there
England do look good think they should give pearce the job permanent the youngsters will be the starting 11 after the euros n hes been bossing them for the last 4-5 years it just seems tge best solution, plus you know hes a PHYSCO!
168 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Catchy i have read this blog for a while now and you argue about the same things every day, for me i am not sure about our style of football but this season but pardew has got us into a good position and deserves to be backed next season, judge him then for his football, did you criticise the style of football under hughton as it was more direct then with andy carroll up front.
169 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Staylor is a massive reason why we don’t look so solid at the back, n I know ppl are saying we should of brought in a cb but if they feel they can get Douglas, mbwia or vertoghen in the summer I am glad they waited
170 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM
toonarmydownsouth
Well u learn something new everyday i would never of thought of him playing LB tbh just doesnt look the kind of player suited to it.
Psycho Pearce in charge full time? Nar but I do like this current set up. Baines and Richards need to get forward a bit more and I would have Milner over Barry any day of the week but overall look composed at the back and fluid up front imo
171 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:31 PM
Håvard Nortveit scores the 1-0 goal for Norway against N-I, in a game where perhaps N-I has been slightly more dominating. Norways 2nd clear cut chance.
172 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:34 PM
@davy
I think Saylor absence has really hurt the team, and i think most of us were initally well surprised that he had this much of an impact on our unbeaten run.
Defenders will be highlighted for sure the coming window.
173 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Both Johnson and Sturridge opening up Hollands left side Pieters needs to get a grip on that
174 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:36 PM
dannyo, i have been watching fergie a real class kid, puts a great ball in, they should be getting it out wider to him more often.
175 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Problem with Saylor is we cant depend on him to play a full season
176 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:38 PM
@beefman
The left side has clearly been NI biggest threat the entire first half with Fergy yet to have a bad cross into the box.
It’s the lack of quality when it comes to putting the ball away which makes them lie under 1-0 so far.
He’s looking like a gem and i’ll rip my hair out of Pardew isn’t watching this.
The lad is well ready for a start in our first team.
177 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Av been screaming all season to get fergie in the team at the toon, hes just an all around top player not big build but got football strength a proper little terrier.
178 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Rob1971
i never complained once before he came, well when sam was here, but he has got a good team, yet we play shit football,
and dannyo, name your bet, not one of those DF will be at NUFC in the summer, we dont sign players we know about, cos if we know about them, other prem team know about them, carr will have other cheaper targets,
179 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:40 PM
yeh fergie does look good tonight….think he is more in the mould of a winger than a full back though….not saying he cant defend but i think his talent going forward should be exploited with him higher up the pitch…..
And to be fair to Catchy he my have the same arguments but at least he has some reasoning behind them…unlike some who just shout sack the manager, sack the board our team is terrible…..just think patience is needed with the team….rather us grind results until we have the quality to blast teams away…..but I agree with Catchy on one thing that we sometimes lack the killer instinct to put a game to bed, we sometimes sit back and invite pressure on ourselves
180 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM
@WWJBD
Hence the reason for us adding a quality CB in the likes of Douglas and Mbiwa, possible both if Willo is moved on.
181 rich_toonfan // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:42 PM
Well we all knew about Cisse being a summer target….it was a shock when we signed him but at the same time we had been heavily linked in the past
182 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:43 PM
@beefman
Don’t forget, he’s mine and WWJBDs little terrier.
Our little babyfaced terrier, lol
He was our bright spot at Tottenham in the 2nd half, without a doubt.
183 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:44 PM
Catchy the football under hughton was far more direct than what it is now, i am not criticising hughton as he did a good job but the balls were just directed to carroll, it will get better under pardew it is his first full season i cant believe people are slagging him off on here considering some of the other managers we have had in the past, ie souness, allardyce etc.
184 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Dannyo i know your norwegian, im english but i only got to watch fergie in the past playing for the reserves i have followed his career and honestly think he is easily good enough for NUFC watch when he overlapes quick as lightening and then a quality ball virtually always follows.
185 mansize scotty // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Anybody else heard that sessennogn is out for 4 weeks?
186 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Dannyo
True but moving WIlliamson on wouldnt be a good idea imo its hard to find a decent player ready to be a back up and I doubt Douglas, Verthognenhentnausyejkeyhbsnmtuen (no disrespect Jan if u read this, ur name is fantastic but its a begger to spell) or Mbiwa would be happy playing second fiddle
187 steve // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Evening lads,
Is Ferguson playing Left Back or Left wing, just curious as i’ve always thought he makes a much better winger than defender.
I’ve read a few comments but CBA to read them all so if its been mentioned earlier, apologies.
188 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM
@beefman
I think the best way to describe Fergy is as a hummingbird.
He just zipps back and forth, barely giving the opposing players time to react to his sudden movement.
And he’s got a great left foot so far, not one bad cross.
If u’ve watched him in the reserves, u’ve watched him far more than me, as i’ve only managed to see him sometimes for the first team in various cameos and such.
I really like him, he needs a better crack at the game. He’ll become integral for us imo.
189 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM
@steve
Playing LW, and a damned good one at that.
190 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:54 PM
@WWJBD
Oh no, i didn’t mean we should move Willo on, he still has a role to play as a squad player. What we lack in defence tho is pace and both your named players have plenty of that.
Saylor is quicker than Collo aswell btw.
It’s the Willo – Collo partnership that worries me, it’s far to slow and has been found out a few times as of late.
191 steve // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Dannyo – Thanks mate glad to hear it but slightly mystified as to who decided he should play left back for NUFC :S
192 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:56 PM
Catchy i have seen far worse football than this, we had good players under sounness and allarydyce and the football was terrible, the football now is not great but i believe it will get better next season, this is his first full season and we are slowly building a strong squad he deserve time and to getting criticised when we are 6th at this stage of the season seems over the top.
193 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 8:59 PM
Dannyo
Ah alright sorry mate. I agree we seriously lack pace atm Simmo is the only one in our back 4 with real pace imo (Santon maybe does but he rarely uses in in defence).
Does Douglas have pace? Looks a bit of a mountain but I know little of his movement. Vert does and Mbiwa is all about pace
I would love to sign both Douglas and Mbiwa in the summer as I but if we do I feel it might call time on Colos NUFC career and then probablys Jonas’s
194 Marty-Toon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Ranger is an idiot,anyone that’d throw away a chance of makin the big time…….did I say it already?IDIOT
Disco Xisco however after getting a goal in his debut looked a player.
But when you see manager after manager that won’t use u even when ya play well.How would anyone feel?
He has however done very little since being on loan apart from spend the wads of cash he’s getting every week from two employers.
Not bad if ya can get away with it eh!
195 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:01 PM
RIP Speedo
196 steve // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:01 PM
Williamson seems like a nice enough bloke but he isn’t premiership standard. Didn’t even think he was that great last season but because we signed him from a lower league ,for next to nothing, we accept his performances without to much complaint.
If we had paid 10m for him he would be getting slated worse than Shola !
197 catchy in norway // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:03 PM
rob
i wont change my point of view, i dont like his style, and right about now i think its a 50 50 split, so i guess only time will tell
but my biggest disslike is the fact he plays poor players that arnt good enough for the prem, when he could give the kids more playing time, in the long run, i feel it would be better for the team
as players like shola perch obertan, simpson, should not have a future at nufc
198 steve // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:04 PM
Not that i agree with slatting Shola BTW, he’s Newcastle through and through…
…(even if he is sh!te
)
199 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:05 PM
@WWJBD
From what i’ve seen, Douglas doesn’t look to be no slouch.
I’m not saying he’s the quickes i’ve seen, but i belive he’s quicker than Willo and Collo.
And i understand where u’re coming from on Collo and the Jonas. Jonas has good and bad days, but if we want that direct style to work, we need someone who can cross on the LW, cause Jonas makes 1/6 balls and that’s not good enough. Sammy, Fergy and Marveux are all able to take over and fight it out.
Collo for me is a tough one. He’s such an excellent player, but for one i belive we’ve got a better captain in Cabaye, and looking at the financial point of view, we can pay both Verthfjdklfjsd and Mbiwa/Douglas wages with Collos.
Santon is quite fast, dunno how fast tho, but fast.
200 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:07 PM
My honest opinion on Ranger and Xisco!
Ranger is more trouble than he,s worth! Sell him to the highest bidder!
Xisco, i would bring back and give him the chance he,s never had under two or three managers! Make him earn some of the wads of cash he,s earning fro m two clubs!
201 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:12 PM
Dannyo
Good to hear as I reckon Douglas is most likely to come through the door, Vert has been making eyes at Spurs as has Hazard so they could be an amazing team next season.
Mbiwa I have no idea whats likely to come of our persuit of him.
I would hate to lose Jonas for the amount he gives to our team, he may not get many crosses in but he wins us freekicks and throw ins (and odd times pens) with his movements constantly. Colo is the heart of our defence aswell so I would hate to lose him this summer but I think thats a real possibility gonna be another gut wretching summer I’d say
202 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM
World class from Robben christ
203 Londtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM
Vuckic gets his cap. Comes on for Slovenia in 61st minute
204 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM
As the commentator has just said when fergie gets the ball things happen, he attacks the space in front of him always looking to go forward, hes been subbed which i ok with i just hope he gets his chance to cement his place at the toon, i would genuinly have him either left back or left wing ,such an outlet for us.
205 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM
Catchy wrong again it was on motd2 97% r happy with pardew as manager
206 Marty-Toon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:18 PM
Fergie just came off,had a good game.
Needs to get on the nufc team sheet.
Agree that he’s got a better delivery than Jonas but that’s not hard
He could as others have said play LB behind Jonas and ave santon on at RB
207 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:19 PM
@WWJBD
To put it simple, it’ll be the most important summer we’ve had in recent years.
It’ll be the difference between insignificant slightly above midtable finish and a 4-5th place as things stand.
208 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:20 PM
Left back ferguson for me beefman jus so we can move santon to ryt back n drop simpson I said last week ferguson was best player v spurs n he only played 45mins
209 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:20 PM
Catchy you are entitled to your opinion but 2 of those players you mentioned were bought and were used regularly under hughton and you never complained then he bought simpson & perch, shola and perch will not have a future at newcastle next season and are only used now as cover, you are right about obertan but he has not been used for a while now so why mention him, arfa was used ahead of him in the last game
210 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:21 PM
Dannyo
Haha another ‘most important summer’ for us eh?
211 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:22 PM
It’s jus so happens the 3% that aren’t happy seem to all b on this blog
212 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:22 PM
@beefman
Yep, good, solid game from Fergy. His first start and he’s deffo in contention for upcoming national games.
I hope AP reviews this, as he has to seriously consider to rest Gutti for a game now, and Fergy is there to spur things on and add a good cross to the mix.
213 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:22 PM
Dannyo, i would probably say an irish short haired terrier hopefully he will be snuffing out those mackems on sunday!that said if a bird a humming bird isnt bad, i may call him the little mosquito! deadly!!!!
214 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:26 PM
@WWJBD
I wasn’t aware we already had one
But u know what i mean, i won’t bother putting together yet another huge debrief on how we’re gonna do next season in various departments on clubs.
Go search one of the other threads, lol.
215 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:27 PM
@beefman
Remember the stoke goal? That was a worldy
216 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:28 PM
dannyo, we beat liverpool earlier in the season at whitley park in the reserves 3-2 and i was watching next to the dugout were peter beardsley was standing fergie put a gem of a ball in for nile ranger to score and beardsley looked at me and said best crosser of a ball at the club, he said he is terrific we won that night and there is a reason why we had the best reserve team by a mile fegie vucic abeid elliot in goal sammi ameobi and ranger had his moments, really good kids who could step up now, nonemore so than the little moquito!
217 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Davyb i think you are right a few more might not like the style we are playing at the moment but they know our squad is improving every season and the football will improve too.
218 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Dannyo
Hahaha we have two a year didnt u know each more important than the last
No no I agree mate its one of those where we could capitalize on this years efforts on the pitch or in the bank account only time will tell which happens.
219 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:34 PM
@beefman
Yeah, i’ve heard it been said that he has the best left foot in the club, and i belive it after watching it today. He just didn’t look like he could give a bad cross.
Oh, i always likes me some inside comments from the coaches
Looking forward to see him more in the future.
He may well be our Gareth Bale.
220 davybtoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:37 PM
Rob1971 exactly u can’t change it overnight u hav to in to account the awful team pardew inherited n by awful I mean not to many good players for passing football, pardew has changed that by the players he has started signing better technically gifted n in time we will see the benefits of it, this summer we may see the finally lot shipped out lovenkrands smith etc n even better players brought in some fans don’t look at the bigger picture u jus hav to look at the stats they show we’ve improved in everyway
221 beefman13 // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:45 PM
Dannyo, good left footers are like gold dust and the price of gold is going up and up we have got a lad with the midas touch in ferguson. good night!
222 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:47 PM
223 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Haha short lived England love
224 Marty-Toon // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Dannyo
Never got back to you bout where you’re from but I’ve been in Arendal and grimstad so I’m sure I’ve been around your area.
Really lovely part of your country,tis a few hrs drive for me but usually take a trip the odd summer in that direction.
Kristiansand and Kragerø osv
225 Dannyo // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:52 PM
@Marty
Hehe, yes, then u’ve been close to where i live indeed
Aye, i quite enjoy this part of the country. 14 degrees today, spring is here
226 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 9:56 PM
i know it took a deflection but robben is pure class
227 GeordieoftheSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Sheff Wednesday sack Megson, got to be getting future Toon boss Lee Clarke in.
228 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:14 PM
@227 hope so. hope the blow does well wherever he goes
229 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:15 PM
bloke. not blow lol
230 TOONARMY4LIFE // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM
BEST PLACE TO SIT AT ST JAMES LADS??
231 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM
@230 sholas lap
232 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM
@230 sholas lap
233 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM
Gallowgate
234 SurefootedShola // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:38 PM
Beside Pardew, twiddling and caressing his silver hair and looking longingly into his eyes, if you’re Davybtoon.
235 mansize scotty // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM
Has anybody rise heard that sessenogn is out for 4 weeks??
236 argentoona // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM
Any else like to see lee Clark part of our staffing team?
I’m sure he could help the kids
237 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM
toonarmy4life – @146 mate if you want to be where the noise is.
238 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM
id be doing that sfs
239 cupiddstunt // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM
Indian magpie @ # 1
Who is so very, very fond of waiting for Ed to post a new thread just so he can be the first to post has to be one of the biggest idiots ( I use the term very loosely as I really want to use something stronger but would just get blocked) ever to post on here.
On a daily basis he uses this blog to slag and run down players and management with some of the stupidest and most miss-informative comments on here, and yet he is prepared to give an out and out waste of space another chance.
Ranger has shown himself to be a consistent liability with no apparent capacity for sensible action, he wants to be a ghetto gangster and hang with his “homies” and Indian wants to give him another “after the five or so he has already had” chance.
Indian do you have problems standing up?
As it takes a substantial number of brain cells to achieve this act and you appear to be really short of working cells.
NUFC should take this event as the chance to get rid of ranger as he surely by now has committed a contractual breach, I think for his own good the boy should be released.
240 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM
I had heard rumblings and rumours that Sess was crocked but I dont believe them
241 GeordieToon89 // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM
Choose 5-1, choose Scott Sellars in the rain, choose Emre from 30 yards, choose Beardo on New Years Day, choose 4-1 but we bossed the first half, choose Shearer’s last goal, choose 19 & 15 points, choose Dabizas at their dump, choose Bellamy after 90 seconds, choose Shearer through the wall, Choose Nobby from spot, choose a Nolan hat trick, choose Shola the mackem-slayer, choose any O’Brien, choose Ryan Taylor over the wall…. ….. Choose NUFC!!! PRIDE OF THE NORTH EAST. Howay The Lads.
242 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:58 PM
@238 that was 6 hours ago – maybe you should ask him if he’s changed his mind since then ha ha
243 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 10:59 PM
Any O’Brien, any O’Brien, any any any O’Brien…..
244 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM
I’ve had it everyone it’s been real etc off to bed bright n early for workies in the morn.
245 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM
SurefootedShola
Thought I’d clear something up as your here.
SurefootedShola // Feb 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM
TDS
Proof please. Don’t make up tenuous testimonials from Southampton and West Ham fans. Oh, that’s all you’ll have.
Well seeing as I lived in Southampton for 18 years of my life, and went to see Pardews Southampton every other week at St Mary’s, I’d say that “making up tenuous statements” is pretty far off the mark.
My best friend here at university is a West Ham fan, and he has many good things to say about Pardew.
Also, seeing as you’re clearly one for evidence, someone also posted:
ochytoon // Feb 29, 2012 at 1:03 AM
@Shola
As someone who has been to the majority of Southampton home games for the past 6/7 seasons, I can tell you for a fact that Southampton fans are grateful to Pardew for getting them playing fast attacking football. I also know many Southampton fans who have never been critical of Pards managerial style. TDS has not made anything up, you need to get your facts right before you start chatting crap.
246 TOONARMY4LIFE // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM
CHEERS LADS YEAH WANNA BE WHERE THE NOISE IS SO GALOWGATE BEST STAND?
247 Tsunki // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:02 PM
TOONARMY4LIFE dammit boy YEESSSS!!!
248 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM
WWJBD
What did you think of the game? I think Pearce deserves at least another game after that. I thought we bossed most of the game, and bar a three minute spell and some terribly naive defending we were decent.
I don’t think Baines did enough to make an argument for LB, so Cole has to slot back in for me. Lescott/Terry are also needed at CB, and Rooney is a shoe in up front.
249 GeordieToon89 // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Proper gutted ive had to sell me season ticket for the game, feel like crying but ive been waiting 8month for this operation and a cant turn it down
*Gutted*
250 TOONARMY4LIFE // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM
Haha sorry guys about to book tickets need your concent first like ha!
251 Rob1971 // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Wwjbd i heard that this afternoon, nothing has been said since so it must be a wind up.
252 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM
TDS
It was very promising imo think England looked fluid and cutting in attacks. I wouldnt change much, Walker and Cole in FBs and have CBs of Cahill/Smalling/Richards/Lescott. I wouldnt bring Terry back in tbh
But overall Psycho did well I thought set the team up well against Holland
Having Barry in over Milner was poor though I thought and bringing on Downing was another poor decision imo
253 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Rob1971
Yeah mate I heard that little one early this morning but havent heard anything major since. Could be a wind up or could be the Mackems hiding it….only Sunday will tell I suppose
But am not bothered if he plays or not he is decent but he isnt a real striker reckon as long as we dont play a stupidly high line he shouldnt trouble us too much
254 GeordieToon89 // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM
WWJBD – Dawson would be ahead of Cahill and Smalling for me
255 GeordieToon89 // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM
For me Englands best team for Euros If Available:
—————–Hart
Richards-Dawson-Lescott-Cole
———Parker-Wilshere
————–Gerrard
Sturridge————–Young
————–Rooney
256 likeajediknight // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM
jeez a lot of negative people on here at the mo. seems theres more comments than anytime when we’re not doing so great. get behind the club, its obvious Pardew isn’t going to change formation and tactics overnight when 442 has treated us decently all year (come on we are sixth) we need the season to end soon agreed but for the last 12 games we just need to support the team. imagine if players were looking at all these comments, I wouldnt feel i was being supported
257 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM
GT89
Really? I dont rate him at all reckon Smalling will grow into a brilliant CB and Cahill is a instant replacement for Terry
258 GeordieToon89 // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Yeah mate, seen alot of Dawson over the years and he’s awesome, he’s also deceptively quick, Smalling is good but not there yet just like Phil Jones..
And a think Cahill is a good defender but also very over-rated although he’s good with his feet.. I’d much rather see S.Taylor in over Cahill as Taylor is direct replacement for Terry in my eyes
259 WWJBD // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM
GT89
Hmm nar cant agree I dont think Dawson is good enough to be a starter for England. Taylor needs someone to play off in CB partnership imo and I dont think England have anyone who can bring out the best from him.
If King was fit enough I’d have him in there starting every match shame he wont ever be
Anyway I am off so have a good un lads
260 SurefootedShola // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM
TDS
Oh, so you have a sample of 3 people, one of which thinks he can speak on behalf of an entire fanbase!
Your adamance suggests you’re perhaps impaired by your own ego, thinking your opinion holds more weight than a singular average fan, that you’re currently correct about this; an ambiguous issue which will soon unfold in front of our eyes, for better or worse.
261 Jail for Ashley // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM
Alrite lads,
Cant believe me luck going in the box for the first time ever just pur coincidence that me mates firm offered him when it just do happens to be Derby day,free champagne and the pleasure of abusing corporate mackems.
262 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM
Surefooted
Honestly, I would love to meet you in real life. You seem like such a horrible little child it’s incredible.
You asked for evidence, and claimed I had made something up. I pointed out that actually, I had not made it up, and had been to see the team regularly.
No reason to get all upset about it.
263 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:44 PM
@259
being at the southampton matches themselves and witnessing the crowds reaction to how pardews southampton played counts as more than a sample of one in its self .
there are many people on here with an inflated ego who spout continuous bullsh*t. tds is not one of them
264 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:45 PM
JfA
Lucky bugger
Better hope the match goes well, or you could be in for a torrid time though mate!
265 SurefootedShola // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Who’s the one getting upset? I’m just affirming that it’s subjective, as you seem to forget that. You seem to have an aversion to people holding separate viewpoints to yourself.
No need to get your shreddies in a twist!
266 planbillytedbob // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM
@tds . kids will be kids. especially petulant little ones who refuse to be wrong.when they clearly are. he’ll just keep moving the goalposts until you give up. he will then proclaim himself winner of te argument then stroke himself silly
267 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM
WWJBD
Walker over Richards? Not for me mate, I think Richards did fantastically. It’s a crime that he didn’t even get a look in for the last four years!
And yeah, maybe not Terry
The defending was just a bit naive for the first and third goals. The first goal especially – he’s obviously going to cut onto his left and shoot, as he’s only got one foot! If that’s Tiote or Guthrie tracking him, they bring him down and take the booking.
268 ToonDownSouth // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM
planbillytedbob
That’s a fantastic name. And I’m glad you can see sense here. This blog has been over run with people abusing others lately.
Calling someone a liar before they’ve presented evidence, then refusing to ackowledge it when they do, kind of sums up their mentality.
269 SurefootedShola // Feb 29, 2012 at 11:58 PM
planbillytedbob
Well I’m basing it on what I’m seeing with my very eyes in the present.
I must ask the question: If Pardew has always played exciting, attractive football, in lesser leagues, with a worse standard of player, where it’s well established you get less time on the ball and more rough treatment, then why isn’t that being exhibited with our relatively refined team?
There’s an incongruity somewhere.
270 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:05 AM
i was planbs revenge. but billy (planb) took offense. then Ted (probably planb) agreed with billys every point. bill & Ted. not very original.
)
and i agree far too much abuse is being hurled about here recently. so i tend to defend the guys who normally talk sense (as i see it because its all subjective
271 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:16 AM
surefooted.
the problem is we still have many of.the players who played in the championship. therefore pardew is being cautious. goin with what has us 6th in th league. my feelings are.that in the summer we will make some signings which will make pardew more confident in hi team. therefore making him more likely.to play attractive football. you can see the ambition in our signings
obertan-pacey winger
ba – goal machine
cisse – goal machine
cabaye – brilliant passing range
santon – pacey attacking full back
and even hba – flair player with brilliant skills
this is my speculation but these signings point to th kind of footballbpardew has played and wants to play. but only once we have the right players
272 t00ntime // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Dont understand how some people think lol at the start of this page some guy said unload all championship class players an had colo in that list, well from then on I ignored everythimg he said lol. Simmo isnt as bad as some of you make out too. He is a good back up. Defender as he plays RB/CB
Also raylor is good back up
Perch is average CM sh1t at the rest so can prob leave
Guthrie/gosling one of them needs to stay as back up and acon.
And why do people always say, u havent been to a gane so ur not a fan? I live in holland and cause of school I have never been to a premier league game. does that mean I’m not a newcastle fan?( I was proudly born in newcastle though before u guys start saying im a gloryhunter
)
273 t00ntime // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:21 AM
Hahaha love how everyone is copying my comment, “in a season or 2 we prob wont be playing a 4-4-2 as all the players pardew has bought played 4-3-3/4-5-1 I also think we will be more entertaining then too cause of we can keep our players we habe talent all over”
Said that bout a week ago xD wonder if anyone read it or we are just thinking alike
274 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:22 AM
simply put. we have some, but not all, the players we need to play that kind of football successfully at this level. and the way our defense is currently playing it’d be nigh on suicidal trying to play that way with some of our less skilled players
275 TOONARMY4LIFE // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:22 AM
SORRY LADS FRONT BACK WEST OR EAST GALLOWGATE END? USE ARE GUNNA HATE ME
FOR ASKING SO MANNY QUESTIONS
276 ToonDownSouth // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:22 AM
toontime
The phrase ‘glory hunter’ isn’t really applicable to a team that hasn’t won a trophy in 50 years mate! haha
277 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:26 AM
@toontime. i didn’t see that you’d said that about their previous 4-3-3/4-5-1 experience. but looking at the kind of players we’re getting iv though since September that we’ll be moving to that sort o system in the future. only recently said it on here though in response to all the 4-4-2 based negativity
278 ToonDownSouth // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Surefooted
It seems ridiculous I know. But I think it’s partly to do with expectation.
At West Ham, they got promoted under Pardew and there was no pressure for them to achieve much in the Premier League (other than survival). At Southampton in League One, they started the season with -10 points due to going into administration, so again, there was absolutely no pressure as he had nothing to lose.
Here, we’ve somehow found ourselves in a position where we could achieve Europe this season – which I imagine would be skipping a couple of years in the much mentioned ’5 year plan’.
It’s not good to see, but I think the lure of getting into Europe may have driven Pardew to a ‘win at all costs’ mentality, rather than taking time to implement nicer football which would see a ‘transition period’.
279 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:31 AM
@274 the only reason to dislike you is your caps lock button lol. some people scroll past posts all in capitals. hurts our brains lol. and i don’t care where i sit in sjp. important just happy to be part of that atmosphere and to see our boys play.
280 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:36 AM
tds that’s a way of seeing it that I’ve not thought about before. you could well be onto something. i guess we won’t know for sure unless pardew comes out and tells us Why he plays what tactics lol
281 ToonDownSouth // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:43 AM
planbilly
Just my take on it. I just wonder if things would be different if we were hovering around mid table, where we thought we’d be this season.
But then we’d probably be below the mackems, and we’d have less chance of keeping the top players. Personally I’d rather watch crap this season and get a European spot.
But that’s just my view, and I don’t get to see the team as often as I’d like. I imagine I’d be a lot more frustrated if I paid to watch it every single week!
282 Shearer.Milburn // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:46 AM
We won the championship, we then finished mid-table in premier league and now we are pushing for a European spot…. Sometimes I think we are going to have to do a double or treble just to satisfy some ‘fans’
We are in the best shape financially that we have been in for as long as I can remember. We have played some brilliant footy this season (some not so brilliant) and already beat the mancs and the mackems… Howay the lads, howay pardew, bring on the derby!!!!!!!
283 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:49 AM
The problem is on the blog the negative bloggers wonder why they get a abused well it may have something today with the fact all summer they complained about the players being sold n being bought only to b proved wrong, then they moaned about us being relegated this season only to b proved wrong, they moaned about pardew oh guess what there being proved wrong, they now say we’re going backwards n there’s no improvement when all the stats prove there wrong, similar pattern happening here there now moaning about hba n style of play yet when u tell them the majority of our players keep it on the deck n play football they ignore you
284 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:52 AM
Planbillytedbob great the 4 mackems all together in one love it
285 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM
tds if we get into Europe that pushes us into an even better financial zone. probably meaning ashley will allow higher priced better class players to come in. that’s just me hoping maybe. id be happy getting cheap rough diamonds in to polish up and show the world a club can be run successfully without losing billions.
286 ToonDownSouth // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:58 AM
davy
Colo sums up the issue for me.
When he’s over on the left, him and Santon pass it between them and play it out from the back nicely, often with a few tricks that excite the crowd etc.
When Colo’s over on the right with Simpson/Willo, he just hammers it up field! Those two aren’t good enough to be trying to play ‘neat’ football in our own half. It’s too dangerous.
Krul’s distribution needs working on badly as well. Regardless of style of football, his long balls are terrible!
287 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 12:59 AM
Tds I couldn’t care less how we played if we get in the top 6 every year, the trouble is there is some on here can’t see the bigger picture n that pardew is bringing in the players to change our style to play attractive football but it don’t happen over nyt
Ppl hav mentioned spurs n Swansea yet the fail to mention it took these teams years to change there style Harry’s took 3 seasons to get spurs like they r n Swansea been playing like that for about 6/7 seasons yet they’ve only seen the benefit over the last couple
288 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:01 AM
why thankyou Davy. although i could have got every mackem in there simply by calling myself ‘bellends’ but that’d be unsavory.
Davy you have gotten stick off neggars from august at least (to Do with the signings and remained(whisper it) the Carroll money) and remained optimistic throughout. look who is right so far….
289 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:02 AM
Tds I’ve pointed out many times over the last few days what you’ve jus said about willo n Simpson do they want to listen no of course not 3 players in our team kick it long, to the ppl questioning our style that means our whole team kicks it long
290 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:06 AM
@288 Davy they do all kick it long and you won’t convince me otherwise. if you try then ill go in a sulk call you a knob and insult your mother…..
291 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:10 AM
Planbillytedbob ha yes n I have great big smile on my face
1 because the abuse makes me laugh my ass off
2 because 90% of the time I am always ryt in the long run n there are many more like me on here
3 i love winding the neggers up bcoz I know they will resort to abuse because deep down they know there wrong but thy have to save face by constantly moaning
Sad really for them bcoz they really show there lack of knowledge sometimes
292 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:14 AM
Davy 90% of th time you are always right?
that’s on par with 60% of the time, it works every time
293 davybtoon // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:17 AM
Worst thing is most of the ones moaning don’t actually go to the match
294 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:21 AM
i really should try and get some kip. important up in 4hours for work
295 t00ntime // Mar 1, 2012 at 1:39 AM
@planbilly I agree about that mate, we cant be wanting to play 4-4-2 in the future if were not bringing in any 4-4-2 players :S great minds think alike
I wud never call a nufc a glory hunter cause like someone saod havent won anything decent in 50years, but in the summer everybody was getting called one xD all though I must say the theresa hoursa trophy was good xD (or whatever it was called we won it last summer
)
296 Baro // Mar 1, 2012 at 2:07 AM
If i was Alan Pardew, the first player i would sign during the transfer market would be PABLO ARMERO! What a workrate he has! Back and down on the left flank, defending and attacking. Origianally a left back, always pushes up, tremendous pace and stamina. Great IQ. Great defender. About 25 years old. Would cost 2-3 million from italian outfit Udinese. And Internationally representing Colombia. A great player.
297 Baro // Mar 1, 2012 at 2:10 AM
Krul
Santon-Staylor-colo-armero
HBA-Cabaye-Tiote-Jonas
Cisse-Ba
subs.
abeid
fergie
marveaux
Sammy
vuckic
Douglas (from twente on free)
Tomkins
dummett
obertan
298 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 4:09 AM
I don’t mind the same line up (wolves game) against the scums.
Just don’t sit back after scoring. We aren’t that good sitting back and defend, we are not good in negative football. The master of negative football is the Italian teams, they are good in killing the game, we are not.
Sooo…. please please please keep pressuring and attacking when we already scored.
299 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 4:12 AM
btw, I only went to the match twice in my life since I’m not in England.
300 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 4:16 AM
Here, where I live noone support NUFC. They only support Chelsea, MU, MC, Liverpool, Arsenal, Totenham.
Imagine… going to the bars with big screen TV when NUFC vs MU and you are the only one wearing 1995 black and white stripes, and about 200 ppl wearing red.
301 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 4:32 AM
A lot of back padding going on tonite guys
lol
302 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 4:58 AM
It is actually quite funny reading all the comments this morning
lol
ALot of I was right all of long or I have been saying this and that for a lon time…
At least it kept nice and clean…
I would like to jump in at a few of the comments but I affraid I’ll be put in one the boxes – either the neggars or the happy go lucky box
lol
Never the less some sensible comment about formation and the fact we should be playing a variation of 4-3-3 and not 4-4-2.
I am just going to overlook the implaying that the way you change the style of play to 4-3-3 with players familiar with the formation is by keep playing 4-4-2.
That one made no sense to me what so ever and surely I cannot be the only one.
303 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 5:02 AM
redondo, where do you live?
304 Marty-Toon // Mar 1, 2012 at 5:34 AM
Redondo,
I moved to Norway a few years ago and used to go to the pub to watch the Toon play.never did I see another toon jrsey.
Only Chelsea Manu and pool.
To be honest it makes it fun
305 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 5:49 AM
I live in Indonesia, I follow this club since 1992, so it’s been 20 years now.
I want to see this team win something or at least 4th place this season since we are so close and others doing so bad this season, realistic or unrealistic hopefully comes true.
306 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 6:08 AM
I started to follow Newcastle in 95/96; I liked the way they played. Was never about the trophy’s for me, though I can understand those born and bread in. the Newcastle area would like to win something.
If anybody disserve it it’s the Newcastle suppoeters
For me the important thing is stability and performance. At the end of the day a top 6 finish means nothing to me if we keep playing the way we does.
There is a lot to be disired regardless of our current position. I am in it for the entertainment value
This blog to me has been a good indication on the difference between us fans; some seems to think the means justify the goal.
307 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 6:25 AM
since I follow this team, under any managers any style of playing this team never been good in defending, but always good in attacking and fighting spirit. I don’t mind negative football, i’m also big fan of it especially Italian teams, but how to play negative football if you can’t defend.
To play negative football, you need defenders like the Italian teams have like Paolo Montero, Chiellini, Costacurta, Baresi, Maldini,Bazzagli, Canavaro, Desailly, etc. They don’t take prisoners, I love watching them play
308 Indian Magpie // Mar 1, 2012 at 7:00 AM
I Live in India if some does not know
309 Indian Magpie // Mar 1, 2012 at 7:09 AM
Redondo i dont think that Chielleni is that good a defender, I prefer NESTA
310 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 7:20 AM
Indian
Nesta is included in my “etc.”
311 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 7:26 AM
I just found out that Marco Motta (Italian national and Juve RB/RWB) is currently on loan to Catania.
He was very good RB at Roma.
Also Reto Ziegler (LB/LM) is on loan to Fenerbache.
I think we can get them very cheap, Juve has too many defenders, they are over stock.
312 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM
I don’t mind a good solid defense ’cause you cannot play attacking football without it B-)
I don’t really follow Italien football anymore – too defensive and unclean too my liking.
I am more of a Dutch or Spanish kind of guy. Prefer a pass and move style of play in a 4-3-3 variation of some kind
Really dig we are buying continental players just don’t get why we are trying so hard to fit them in a 4-4-2.
I am all for Pardew for now, but this is where is don’t get him and his stubbornness. He just won’t kill his darling.
313 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 8:02 AM
I hate spanish football, it is not like it used to anymore. Too many divers much much more than Italians.
I agree with you on Italian football is more dirty tackling football which is why I love it.
314 redondo77 // Mar 1, 2012 at 8:05 AM
Spanish football era during Redondo, Raul, Zidane, Beckham, roberto carlos, helguera is more enjoyable.
315 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 8:09 AM
Spanish football has become too predictable the last few years. It is all Barcelona and Real Madrid. That is sad I think.
I do think the EPL is more entertaining this season with so many teams fighting for a top 6 finish. But sadly with Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea all underperforming and us suddenly finding us in the same group as them, I do find it frustrating that be play the way we do.
It is frustrating that Pardew doesnt learn from his mistakes and I am affraid we are throwing our good start away
316 planbillytedbob // Mar 1, 2012 at 8:27 AM
jesper i love that “kill your darlings” quote
i may have to steal it
317 Rotonda heights // Mar 1, 2012 at 8:39 AM
jesper
spot on.
I think ultimately if a manager has no plan B you will never really get to the top. You may flirt with finishing top 7, but until you lose the fear that there is more than 1 way to play, depending on the game situation, then that stubborness will cost us.
318 Colo-Sus // Mar 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Heres an interesting theory of mine.
Recently alot of people on here have been complaining about our style of play. Hoofball etc.
I think the reason for this is the impatience of us fans ”In part” not in full. AI go to as many home games as I can afford and watch every game on either tv or the dodgy web, and a running theme from our crowd is the impatient groan that goes up when we knock it around a bit. This usually leads to someone banging it up front and us loosing the ball.
I believe alot of fans are still stuck in the ”Entertainers” mindframe, and cannot abide it if we are not going on attack after attack.
I would honeslty prefer us to win by small margins and have 60% + possesion in a game.
We have the players to patiently build up moves but alot of fans get restless and the usual shouts go up and there tends to be an impatience in the ground.
Lets be real, this season we have been superb, we are far exceeding what many thought we would achieve and we have a manager that is astute and still learning dont forget. At Saints pardew played a great brand of football, and I think that will come here, but us fans have to display one trait that the majority of toon fans cannot comprehend
PATIENCE!
Off topic Ben Arfa will come good and his envolvement will increase going forward I believe, look at Aaron Ramsey, its taken him a good while to get back playing week in week out after his leg break. I think we will win on Sunday Im quietly confident. Sundewrland loosing that heavily against WBA shows that Oneil is not the god they claim he is, its still pretty much the same team Bruce had, and if we are at full strength I think we have their number.
HWTL
319 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM
planbillytedbob, steal all you want mate
My professor at the Aarhus School of Architecture used it all the time
It’s one of my favorite quotes
lol
320 jesperfuglsang // Mar 1, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Colo-Sus, lets go with what you wrote and for the sake of the argument that you’re right. Can you explain to me why we’re stuck with playing 4-4-2. Mind you that we’re not very good at keeping possession or play pass and move football in the confinement of 4-4-2 – that’s view some complain mate.
Pardew explained in the summer that he wanted to play attacking pass and move style of play and went for continental players in order to do so.
These are the player he bought:
HBA
Cabaye
Marveaux
Obertan
Abeid
Ba
Santon
Papisto
On top of that we have:
Jonas
Tiote
Why re we playing 4-4-2 hoofball kind of football. Mind you that Papisto just recently signed.
Does it really add up to you and can you honestly say Pardew have learned from past mistakes and what tells you he’ll change from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 in the future?
Common sense would dictate that he plays a 4-3-3 variation since we don’t have the right players for 4-4-2.
What gives my friend? Some of us is just confused.
321 jonny_ringo13 // Mar 1, 2012 at 10:21 AM
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