Newcastle goalkeeper Tim Krul showed some rare maturity for one so young on Monday night, when he didn’t react too much to the taunts put out by his Dutch team mate, Robin van Persie.
Tim Krul and Robin van Persie - and these are team mates?
The Arsenal captain was so intent on riling up Krul throughout the game, that we thought there must have been some past problems between the two Dutch stars.
And Robin was challenging Tim with his drop kicks from the very beginning of the game, so this time wasting excuse is a bit hard to take.
Tim Krul has has made a conciliatory statement in the Times, and has tried to tamp down the controversy.
This is some of what Tim said in the Times today:
“I was disappointed with the incident involving Robin,” “We are both professional sportsmen and what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch.”
“We are playing in arguably the best and toughest league in the world and things like this happen.” ”There is only one thing on my mind during a game and that is to win.”
Holland team manager Bert van Marwijk has said he has no concerns that the two players’ animosity towards each other will spread to the rest of the squad, but it does raise some questions about the Holland sqyad = with these two lads being part of the World Cup Final runner up.
Van Persie’s reasons for his bizarre behavior is that he was incensed with Krul for wasting time, but he was challenging Tim from the very first minute of the game.
Well these things happen we suppose, but it’s not a good thing, and the less we see of this stuff in the future - the better it will be.
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296 responses so far ↓
1 jakesome // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:45 PM
krul would kick his ass
2 pbNcl // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:50 PM
@WWJBD from last post
Ben Arfa’s already a legend cos his skills are legendary. He’s still got a long way to go before he’s up there with the newcastle greats but nobody will forget this lad. His goals are incredible. He’s one of the best goal scorers I’ve seen in a newcastle shirt and that’s sayin somethin
3 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Its not Van persie krul should have a go at its the 4 muppets in front of him and the plonker who picks the team for his retarded tactics!
4 lewytoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:53 PM
i hate it when pardew says ‘aint’ in interviews…
5 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Come the summer Krul,HBA,Tiote and Ba will all be gone and pardew can recruit all the shite he wants because next season will be a relegation fight under this imposter!
6 StuW // Mar 15, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Here is a little article on Amalfitano, along with some of his performances this season. I think those negative thinkers towards him may change their mind after seeing this – http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2012/02/26/romain-amalfitano-newcastle-bound-midfielder/
7 pbNcl // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Billy, ”retard tactics” don’t get you to 6th in arguably the best league in the world with 10 games to go. Also taking into account the injury’s we’ve conceeded and all the drama that surrounds mike ashley, its quite clear that pardew is a very good manager.
8 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:08 PM
billy,
I think the world would have ended before then so it wouldn’t really matter.
9 Twatter // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM
billy is a mackem, pretty obvious.
10 LewSpi // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Billy
The only imposter here is you, you have a good day at school?
I hate pre-pubescent Mackems, me.
11 Brutooon // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Krul is a GENIUS because he manage to make Robin Van Pussy to be in a childish behavior (considering he is the captain)
12 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Have to say pbNc1 I really disagree about the “legendary” status that you have given to HBA. Yes, he is a potentially world class player and has already scored some great goals for us but he has so so long to go to come anywhere near that feat yet.
HBA hasn’t even outdone the likes of Robert, and I wouldn’t class him a legend. He isn’t anywhere near the standard of Nobby and that guy defines the word legend. So while I am loving the insurgence of the talent that is HBA, he must keep his feet on the ground and we as fans likewise.
13 pbNcl // Mar 15, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Alright Ruddy I conceed,
He’s not quite a legend yet
Providing he stays here long enough to develop in a toon top, I can see us all calling him a legend in years to come. Come on Ben Arfa keep it up!!
14 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM
Billy may be a retarded, inbred scuzz bucket but he does have a point.
15 Gorman17 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM
Shut up Billy.
16 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM
Think we can just hope he keeps up the same level of performance from now until the end of the season. Hopefully we recruit defensively to allow us to play a bit more expansively in the future so we can see the best from him in years to come
17 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Beattie25 I must say that I find quite a lot of your posts puzzling. What is it that makes you think that (a) any of those players will be sold and (b) that Pardew is an imposter?
18 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Beattie…Really? What point is that?
19 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM
how was school taoday billy?
20 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM
*today
21 cyprus // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM
For me Robert is a legend! He got a lot of stick for not defending and for shooting too much (from anywhere!), but I’ve never seen a better left foot, in terms of shooting. The best player we’ve ever had there is, of course, Ginola, but Robert was second. Can HBA be a legend? I concur with pbNcl.
22 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM
I think HBA has the talent to become a “legend” for NUFC and has certainly shown glimpses of it to date. However, he is not a legend yet. It would be insulting to the legends of Newcastle to brand him one now.
I do have high hopes for the lad though
23 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Well Cyprus you are forgetting that Messi is left footed. Given that you are probably talking about Newcastle players, well he did have a very good left foot but he did shoot too much, didn’t defend at all and sometimes would become anonymous if the game wasn’t going as he liked it. That, for me personally, doesn’t make him a legend.
And to concur with pbNc1 you are saying that he already is a legend, which I think is a bit premature. He can be a legend of this club in years to come but as of yet he has not yet reached those dizzy heights.
24 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM
Debating is dry today lads
25 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM
It certainly is Ruddy.
1) HBA is well skilled and could become a NUFC legend.
2) Billy is a fool.
Debate over.
Any suggestions?
Anyone concerned about the Norwich game? We got spanked last time, but think we should be able to bring it to them this time. Wasn’t the Norwich game the first one without Saylor? We were all over the place, hoping for much better this time
26 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Apologies for the over usage of “last time” in that comment
27 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Well “time”
28 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Ruddy….When the debate is dry I apparently just debate with myself…pretty sad really
29 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:26 PM
HBA is not a Toon legend yet, or even necessarily a football legend yet. But he has shown hints at greatness this season already.
His Blackburn goal was immense. His Arsenal one was great. Anyone remember his Everton goal last season.
With a little time he could easily become one.
And as for this new french signing. As soon as I heard rumours I tracked down as many games as possible of his and I know its second division in France but he does show a lot of potential. His work rate is excellent and he is also suprisingly strong on the ball for his size. A bit like a trickier, faster Guthrie.
Just whether or not he can translate to Prem? Players have so much more space in continental football. Sometimes I prefer it to the Prem because it generally means that the football is more attractive to watch. The Prem can be really scrappy at times.
I do really hope Guthrie stays though. I think a 5 man midfield with Cabs, Tiote and Guthrie, Benny and Jonas on wings would be amazing. Guthrie has been great almost everytime he has played this season. Yeah he was sloppy at Wolves but I think we can let him off.
Ive read a lot of people criticising him this season. “He’s no Nolan”. Different sort of player in a different playing style so its difficult to compare. I dont understand how people are now slating Guthrie when we also voted him as man of the match many times he played this season.
30 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Cyprus,
If you want to see a better left foot look on page 42 in the Argos catalogue,its delectable.
31 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Ibizatoon
Yes it was first game without Raylor.
But need to remember that Norwich are a very strong team at Carrew Road. They outplayed us that day completely.
I think with the same work rate as Arsenal and second half against sunderland it shouldnt be a problem for us. Play Cisse if he is going to contribute more than Obertan but I’d rather a 5 man midfield at least to begin with in order to control the game.
The thing I remember about the Norwich game is we did look the better team at the end of the match, but the damage was done by then. I remember thinking that we could actually rescue it at the time.
32 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM
LGFUAD….Have people been slating Guthrie? I’ve seen a few negative comments, but i’ve also read someone saying we’ll be in a relegation battle next season!
I like Guthrie and hope he stays. I doubt he will though, as he’s good enough to be a starter at most PL teams, but wouldn’t be on my starting 11 most weeks.
33 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:33 PM
LGF….Raylor or Saylor?
“I remember thinking that we could actually rescue it at the time.” – Most games feel like that…painful stuff being a newcaslte fan
34 benarfa23 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM
as much as i like HBA, calling him “legend” is a bit premature.
sure he the only one that can pass two or three player every single game, and can create something out of nothing. but he need improve on other asppect, the most important is decision (when to pass the ball when to dribble on his own)
“He has quality but he also has weakness, he can pass three or four defender but football is more than that” (didier deschamp)
summary : HBA is not yet legend but he will be
35 benarfa23 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:42 PM
my though on our stylr of play:
pardew has trying everyting except playing cabaye tiote and guthrie at the same time in central midfielder, i don’t know why, but i think that have something to do with jonas, he seem never wanna drop him.
if we play 3 man midfielder i think we can play ball possesion, some people say our player not ball possesion material but neither are swansea but they did it. that what training are for.
barcelona didn’t play that way because of xavi and iniesta they play that way because of pep guardiola. rijkard also have iniesta and xavi in his squad but his tim didn’t play tiki-taka, and he end up being sacked.
no disrespect to pardew, i think our succes this season because of our player. (Ba, Krul, Saylor Coloccini, tiote)
and look other manager think of him on premier league best manager poll recently, he not made top five manager. and even lose by steve keane. that was other premier league manager tought.
36 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Ibizatoon
Sorry meant first game without Saylor.
Aye there’s never a comfortable moment when you support toon. We can beat man u 3-0 but we can only just beat Wigan.
Something about small games for us, we just dont seem to have the same fire.
We need to be beating the likes of Bolton, Wolves, Wigan, West Brom if we hope for Europe.
My team for sunday
Simmo/Perch Willo Colo Santon
Tiote
Guthrie Cabaye
HBA Ba Jonas
I jsut think that we always look better with a 5 man midfield, more comfortable and less wasteful. Jonas NEEDS to attack in this formation though. I say Simmo or Perch because of Simmos fitness doubts.
Guthrie could be replaced with Perch (who can tackle) which would allow Cabaye to become a playmaker.
Then again it may be intersting to see Raylor in there with Cabaye and Tiote. Give Raylor, HBA and Jonas roaming roels. I always enjoy watching Jonas fly about the pitch.
Having Perch in mid would not only solidify our defense but also offer more protection allowing Santon to push up more, which he likes. Perch also has more pace than people give him credit for (not saying hes walcott mind).
37 StuW // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM
The thing I can’t get is this….Ben Arfa wants to be as good as Messi. His style of play is similar to Messi(albeit no where near the same level). If he ends up half as good as Messi, he will be world class. If he thinks he can be as good as Messi, I think we should all be pleased he is showing some determination to be the best player he can be. If he does it at Newcastle, all the better.
38 ted // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM
Pardew has to be the most tactially inept manager in the prem he hasnt got a clue about when to kill the game off the players look jaded the fitness levels are chronic and Simpson and williamson are crap followed closely by colocini now hes got his new contract foot of the gas time!
39 GeordieCoaster // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM
Didn’t we have this “Everyone is being sold and we will be in a relegation battle” talk last year?
40 Tsunki // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Has RVP been conciliatory about how he chucked his toys around from the off? No, because the Arsenal fans think he’s magic/dont want to upset him so he’ll leave in the summer, which is why they pander to his ego by backing him up. Seems like a new tradition of unsportsmanlike behaviour is being instilled in the Dutch game following on from their disgraceful world cup showing. Thankfully the geordie influence has kept Timmy insulated from being a towrag like V Persil. Fantastic player though.
Have the hobbits gone yet, y’know Billbob Teddins? If you three are here, tell me, which one of you is the Ring that rules them all?
41 GeordieCoaster // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Ah Ted back from school? I’m guessing you didn’t learn how to structure a sentence properly.
42 G // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Back to the subject matter, can I just point out that RVP must be a comlete thicko trying to start a scrap with Krul. Reason being, has anybody seen how fast this kids hands move? RVP would have no chance in a fist fight.
43 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM
Van persie may have been pointing out that staying with NUFC was football suicide and that he should be more ambitous with his career as NUFC never win anything worth winning ask Mr Shearer!
44 GeordieCoaster // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM
@Tsunki I reckon it’s Billy as he always posts first!
45 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM
Pardews brilliant tactics play Obertan in the centre and play HBA out on the right Brilliant!
46 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM
guys-just remeber to ignore them dinner is soon anyway.
Is the east stand good seats, i’m coming up next month but ot sure where to sit! either east or milburn stand
47 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM
I have to wonder what is wrong with some people that they feel the need to create three separate profiles to post on a blog that isn’t even made for their football club. The fact that Mackems waste their time coming on here (aside from Daffy who at times can be a laugh and can debate fairly reasonably) just shows how pathetic some of them truly are.
48 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Eat my shorts Pardew lovers !
49 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Billy the Mackem speaks….
(Hit return too soon)
50 ted // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM
GeordieCoaster Thanks for the tip on structuring sentences ive filed it alongside Pardews field manovers!
51 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM
@GeordieCoaster
Obviously these so called fans didn’t get what they hoped for, so they’re gunning for it again this window.
52 Tsunki // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM
MFH – what flavour are they?
53 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:41 PM
you can actually talk with daffy and have resonable debate…these, sorry, this idot that is bob/billy/ted is just sad! clearly has no life if this is what he does EVERY day. pathetic existense really…..but thats a mackem for ya
54 ted // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:42 PM
OH ive sat on my specs what excuse has pardew got?
55 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:44 PM
I’ve got a Sunderland supporter in my registration group. This is in a school in the West of Scotland..
Should I:
a) give him a detention;
b) congratulate him on supporting a second rate side instead of being a glory hunter (Most Scottish kids support EPL treams like Manure);
c) explain that as Shola has scored more times against the Mackems than his side has in Europe then he should know his place.
56 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM
Everything was going great on monday night and then the game kicked off!
57 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh give him your Dunces hat!
58 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh – a and c
59 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM
He has pretty much the same mental age as Billy Bob and Ted – about the same as his shoe size
60 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh if he had your waist size he’d be a genius!
61 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM
To be fair though the puir wee lad hasn’t got two heads and usually comes to school reasonably tidy so he can”t be a genuine unwashed.
62 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh nowt worse than a mackem jock!
63 G // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM
@ post 61. Are you sure he is a supporter then? Or is he being abused by his parents who are forcing him to wear innapropriate clothing as punishment. Perhaps a school counsellors visit could be in order?
64 MagpiesFlyHigh // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM
Bob the Mackem – my IQ is my waist line squared – yours is more like the square root of yours – or is that a bit too complicated for you to work out ?
65 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM
MagpiesFlyHigh is that in brackets?
66 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Pardews tactics?
He’s got them spot on at times.
Other times he’s got it completely wrong.
We’ll never know why Obertan was there on Monday night after his exile. Maybe Pards sees something in him during training that made him think he was worth a risk.
The question is whether or not Pardew will play him this weekend ?
That said, I used to love toon fans, Im beginning to get a bad view of them from this site. So many seem fickle as Manure fans.
Pardew comes in takes us to 6th in our second season back in the prem having rebuilt a very good squad and having had to break in many foreign players and still everyone is slating him.
Firstly, don’t think it is purely Pardew that decides match tactics.
His man management looks excellent. He brought in his own coaching stafff that have done wonders with our keepers, our defense as well as develop players like Guthrie.
Wait til the end of the season then judge I say,
67 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM
bob isn’t mummy (in your case probably ur sister) calling u for dinner yet?
68 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:58 PM
obertan did a few god flick ons but never seems o close down and di look like a headless chicken at times, i want to see him do well but i still think its guna be a while away
69 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM
Tendo- you seem obsessed with food are you a fatty?
70 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM
no its just aroun d thos time that you p1ss off to the relief of everyone and unfortunetley it hasnt happened yet
71 -Tendo- // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM
bob u seem obsessed with NUFC…..is supporting sunderland really that bad?
72 bob // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Tendo- Oh i just thought you were a lard arse into sex with your sis
73 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Tendo-how long have you had this mackem fixation?
74 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:07 PM
Do I really moan in my posts? I thought it was just angery words spilled out onto the blog but now I see from another point of view.
Also I was accused of slagging pardew off in a previous post. Firstly I have nothing but hope that pards will be the manti take us fOrward but I think I am justified in my criticism of his tactical naiveity!
On the point of billy, bob, ted etc…. What the hell is the point of wasting life trying to upset people? I mean you must be the lowest form of scum to sit at a keyboard and try to get a reaction. I bet you are like that fella from the human centipede 2 who cracks on off with sand paper. Your a nobody, a low life, an unfunny goon who doesn’t have any intelligence and will probably end up in prison crying whilst big mile climbs in with you. Leave now and never come back.
75 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Tendo
Thank you for being possibly the only other person to notice that. He looked absolutely lost off the ball though. Couldnt close down a Woolworths
Also back to Pardew bashing.
You people talk like you expect Jose Mourinho to manage us.
Look at who we could potentially draw as a menager other than Pardew?
No one from top teams Fergie? NO
Wenger? NO
Redknapp? NO
so who
We could have perhaps drawn someone like Mark Hughes or Hodgson but their arent doing great are they.
We were heavily linked with Martin Jol who may be a great tactician at times and gets Fulham playing nice football but he isnt doing any better than we are. We were also linked with O’Neill but he wouldnt have put up with the financial constraints.
The only manager I can think of that would put up with the restraints Pardew has is Moyes and he wouldnt leave Everton at all.
We may even have a passing hope of attracting AVB due to his Robson links but look how he did at Chelsea for a lot more money?
Are you getting my point yet?
If we are being realistic I wouldnt swap Pardew for anyone atm other than Brendan Rogers at Swansea.
76 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:09 PM
Hello again….am I in time for the moron show?
77 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:09 PM
bob is not on form today is he. some poor insults. tendo ripping him a new one.
1.Ben arfa is far better employed on the tight than behind the striker. agree/disagree?
2. should we start the same team as against arsenal?
78 Tsunki // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM
‘To school, the nufc blog and back to bed again’ – a mackem Troll’s tale by Billted Bobbins. Worst thing is they pad the comments out so much you have to scan through pages to get to the few meaningful posts.
I stil think Obertan could come good if given some time in that number 10 role, ok he is bound to look ring rusty but it’s a new position and he could well suddenly click into it when he gets his head into gear. He has the pace and he can short pass pretty good when he gets confident. Would help take the pressure of HBA and especially Ba who is tracking back too much for a front man. At least Obertan would be an attacking midfielder cos none of the others are at the moment, they seem to have gone the other way and retreated to join the back four, which is as bad if not worse than their stretching too far forward antics a few weeks back. I still maintain the back four are a dodgy unit and need sorting desperately, a defensive coaching nightmare for someone to get a grip of.
79 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Beattie25 Thanks for that pile of piffle you seem to have alot of first hand knowledge about being a prison bitch could you expand on it or is it to painful?
80 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM
right not tight
81 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM
@cheick Norris
a) Ben Arfa is easily our best RW option atm. I think he would be good in the hole and was never given time to develop there but he would more than likely lose a lot more balls in that area. AGREE
b) Yes with the exception of Obertan. Who I think should be replaced by Guthrie or Vuckic. Perhaps put Perch in and allow Cabaye to take on that role
82 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:13 PM
Ibizatoon
Its just started. Please restore some sanity
83 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Billy it’s too painful to talk about it to be honest but with your slack ass I’m sure you’ll fit 2 up there
84 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM
tsunki @78 i think in time obertan will make that role his own. he can only improve on his last (shaky) performance
85 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Oh good…I haven’t missed it
God forbid there may be some actual Newcastle talk.
So Billy…learn anything new at school today?
86 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM
cheick Norris did you watch obertan play on monday the kids crap!
87 Tsunki // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Ibizatoon – yeah mate sorry but you are right on time.
Cheick Norris – Hmm. dunno what to say about 1/ because we havent seen much of HBA in the middle role really, certainly not as much as Obertan on the right. Jury is out for me on that. Having both on the pitch MIGHT come good though if we persevere, but do you think AP wants to take any risks on the run-in, or do you think he will faff about as a kind of next-season look-see?
2/ Possibly, yes, it was working ok to start, needed a bit of polish, and Arsenal are on fire, would have made anyone look crap.
88 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM
LFG…sorry for abandoning you earlier…internet cr@ped out on me.
Me restore sanity? Ha, you really don’t know me
89 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:17 PM
Ibizatoon yeah that your patters rank!
90 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM
Ibizatoon
From the way they talk im guessing they skipped it again. Repeating the 2nd year for the 10th time can get a little boring i suppose
91 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM
@ cheik Norris
1. Benny should be given a free role, allowing him to float from the right to the left and drive through the centre.
2. No. I’d put Cisse on for obertan, Fergie on for simmo and Guthrie on for guti. Go 4-3-3 and smash Norwich with fast passed attacking football. But what do I know?
92 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM
Tsunki….I was born lucky I guess
93 davis_toons // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM
ManU is finding AthB too hot to handle..almost a 1 goal for AthB. Hit the pole and rebounded but the player ballon it..instate of putting it in..
94 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM
Billy I heard you got your results recently.
I am sorry to here about your diagnosis of retardedness!
95 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:19 PM
@lgf i think obertan will improve in that role and his pace offers us the threat of a counter attack or quick through ball. i think he could be a decent finisher if given more opportunities
96 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Beattie25
1) Benny often flourishes when he roams. I think his foundation should be the right but he needs to be allowed to roam to be as effective as he can be.
2) Fast paced football is what we have lacked. When we up the tempo we always look better. If Pardew wants to play defensive he needs to at least encourage the team to launch whiplash counter attacks
97 Tsunki // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM
Stuff this I’m off to sit this out until the kids are tucked up in bed, around 6.30, isn’t it, Bill/Bob/Ted? Night night triplets.
98 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM
Lfguad
Couldnt agree more
99 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM
Beattie25 it beats being a jail bitch anyday retardeness!
100 Ibizatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Billy…well spotted. I’ve been to the doctors but they say nothing can be done. Oh well, would take “wrank” patter over being a sad lonely individual with absolutely nothing of any relevance to say nor the English language skills in which to write anything of substance with…ok…moving on
101 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Tsunki have yourself a sherry and calm down you old woman!
102 billy // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM
Ibizatoon ok bye pet!
103 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM
cheick Norris
Agree on that. I’ve been saying for months I think he could flourish in that role eventually. I just think its not the time now to start testing it.
Honestly i think other than cameos, Obertan should be left on the bench and wait for seasons end to start again with him. He was kinda thrown in the deep end here.
Anyone know what the deal is with pre-season tour what with Euros? Do the Euro players just miss out on it?
Mind you, who will we miss during the Euros?
Krul, Santon? Cabaye, Hatem? Vuckic
actually those are some pretty key players
104 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM
@beattie i think your team is very attack minded there and would be interesting to see
105 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM
MANURE getting SLAUGHTERED …LOVE IT LLorente what a goal…..
106 davis_toons // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM
1-0 ..manU goon loss..AthB was too good for ManUtd..nowonder Baca could easily beat Manutd ..with possession football.
107 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM
I hope to god that we show improvement against Norwich.
We have been outplayed by every team since man ure and haven’t looked like winning in a long time. We have to play football and stop the desire to play with passionate yet ordinary players. I hope we try something different against Norwich or we wil struggle in the last 10 games. This season could be the most positive since bobby robson or it could be even more disappointing than finishing 12th last year after throwing away a 3-0 lead.
What a fcuking goal by llorente btw!
108 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM
I honestly think if we can pay like we did on Monday we’ll be gravy at the weekend.
The team will be wanting a win badly.
Also Norwich are not Arsenal so I think we will be dominated less.
The thing about Arsenal was that we couldnt get the ball back off them and they did what they always do which is wear the other team down.
Think about it like this, Arsenal have been scoring for fun these days, we only conceded 2 goals and the second we only had 3 defenders. We were dead from the amount of pace they have. Norwich have nothing like that in their squad, just hope it doesnt slow us down at the weekend. Grant Holt is probably about 1/10 as fast as Walcott.
109 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:30 PM
@103 pardew seems to like throwing players in at the deep end. its like he’s challenging them to impress him.
hba vs chelsea
obertan vs arsenal
last game of the season he’s putting remi street up against man city!
110 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM
cheick norris
Really, I heard he was planning on playing Marv…ON CRUTCHES
Wish we could take City on sooner, they have looked a bit stale recently, they be desperate for a win on last day of the season.
DREAM COME TRUE: if we were to beat them and thus prevent them winning the title.
111 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Bilbao are the perfect example of how nufc should play.
4-5-1 that evolves into a 4-3-3 depending on whether they are retaining the ball or counter attacking. It is unplayable. We have the quality individuals to do such a thing and could hammer teams with this style of play. Retain the ball, pass it quick, move, one touch, triangle and every so often when the opponents are unaware long ball. We could do this but for some reason we never try to.
Honestly now lads and lasses why is it we don’t try a different style?
112 cheick Norris // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM
@beattie. we did on Monday lol
113 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM
I just think the mentality of the team and most fans is wrong. Who cares if it’s arsenal, tottenham or Norwich we are playing, we should dominate them. Look at the Spanish clubs destroying the English in Europe regardless of stature and history. The modern. Day game is about domination and we are dominated because our midfield is empty and void of dominators.
Stick in tiote, Cabaye and Guthrie and we’ll dominate every team from now until may! It is such a shame that we won’t see it!
114 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Beattie25
Completely agree with that. Thats the style of football my dad brought me up on.
Its fluid and flexible, we give our opponents too much time to prepare for our attacks which ultimately means that we have to rely on Demba to fight or 2/3 even 4 defenders in the box.
We should view every opponent as equal but we have seemed to underrate so many teams this season.
We need Guthrie in there just for his passing ability. Guthrie is good at that sort of football. For the most part this season he has created those triangles.
Thats why HBA improves us a lot also. He is always making himself available to his team mates.
I also would like to see more of Cabaye’s attacking competencies. He was awesome in France for it
115 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM
Cheik
On Monday it was the bizarre formation we have tried before when Guti moved into the centre and it didn’t work then.
We had a 4-4-1-1 which didn’t work as the centre of the field was bypassed. If we had 3 there I would stake my reputation that we could dominate most teams. Tiote breaking up and Guthrie/Cabaye finding the forward movements of Ba, Cisse and Benny! It’s do obvious it drives me mad.
Talk about round pegs in round holes. As I have said before 5 of our forward 6 have played in 4-3-3/4-5-1 formations at their previous clubs! (Tiote @ Twent- DM, Cabaye @ Lille – CM, Benny @ Marsaille – RF, Ba @ Hoffenheim – LF, Cisse @ Frieburg CF.)
116 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM
beattie25
totally unplayable indeed.. What amazes me that they are all Basque… wonder where we would get with all Magpies…
I am lost for words…
Its the oldest playing stadium in Europe
Fans have massive shares and a say in who to bring to the clubs first team
The club while not at first, is rather transparent and has many sponzors and board check out the site…
big big big respect to them…
117 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Beattie25
I think the problem on Monday was Obertan really. He just did nothing really. He was supposed to be the link between our midfield and Ba but he just couldnt get into that game.
To play in the whole you have to be
a) Very mobile
b) Very skilled
c) Great at getting into positions
because you have so little time to do anything before getting closed down. Obertan was not mobile enough (he didnt find the space he needed to do anything with). He is skilled but not skilled enough to take players on. I dare say Shola wouldve been better as h the one thing he is good at is taking the ball down and getting past that first man on him (its always the second he losses the ball to).
As for point c, just look at Nolan. He didnt have any pace. He had very little skill. He was a very simple football player but the one thing that made him lethal was that he always knew where he had to be.
If we had a Nolan type there on monday I think we wouldve got more out of that game.
118 Beattie25 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Lfguad
It’s the kind of football I was brought up on. It takes players that can play in many positions and it’s all about continuos evolution in order to out smart and dominate the opposition as you will know.
If we had a team full of utter rubbish I would grudgingly admitt that 4-4-2 is the only option (as I dI’d last year).
I am just baffled as out team is so very suited to the style and it would bring out the best in our key players.
I just think pardew is so focussed on not losing that he forgets about winning. That’s why we have a goal difference of -1
119 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM
oops meant to say in the “HOLE”
120 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM
Let’s leave the non-footballing childish drivel to the school kids on the playground, some of us are tired of reading it.
On the Man U game, they are being totally dominated by this Athletic team, they harry, they hassle, they run themselves into the ground for the cause. They epitomise exactly they type of football that I would love to see NUFC play. Some of you want fluid sexy football but I love to see the hard grit and determination coupled with slick passing and that is what this team are offering.
How are people feeling about this Norwich game at the weekend? They only drew at home to Wigan there at the weekend, has the honeymoon period finished for Lambert’s men? Are our boys suitably fired up to give someone an absolute thrashing? Will it come at home to Norwich?
121 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65670-etxeberrias-generous-act-shows-just-why-athletic-bilbao-are-more-than-a-club
amazing…
Only thing I dont understand is how they play fifa career mode
122 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM
Ruddy
“On the Man U game, they are being totally dominated by this Athletic team, they harry, they hassle, they run themselves into the ground for the cause. They epitomise exactly they type of football that I would love to see NUFC play”
I cannot AGREE more…
you are so right on so many levels mate…
123 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM
Beattie25,
I hear you. With the ability of our players this season we should be playing more continental football.
We have wingers that are more flexible than Barton was. We have an almost wasted playmaker in Cabaye. He has far too much attacking ability to serve simply as a DM.
We have played a high line and its screwed us a lot this season. Yet there is almost always a massive gap between out mid and striker(s). Cabaye needs to push up a bit more when he can.
124 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM
LGFUAD21
agreed
125 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM
Gee thanks gorgonzola
126 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Ruddy
no prob mate you summed up stuff SPOT on its scary, I agree with the other lad, we are so perplexed with defending we are getting sucked in a 6 4 0 formation at times, even at home…
I think pardew needs to loosten that grip on things…
I think another reason is it will enable players like HBA to do more…
127 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:03 PM
Ruddy
Thats what i like to see in football matches.
Passing and movement impresses me most. Maybe I watched too much Italian football as a kid. All my friends think that it makes games boring but to me it is how the game should be played.
Flair and skill is nice to see but creating goals from clever subtle moves is far nicer to watch. Shows you are a real team.
I always like it when you see the breakdowns on MOTD where they show all the times teams could have created chances from those sort of moves. Its shocking how many footballers fail to notice these.
It does however require a very close knit team to pull off. Very high degree of interdependence
128 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM
Jesus H Christ you ppl watching this game…I am blown away they are making them look like Exeter…..wow….
129 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Evra is being so badly smashed its scary he is lost….ahhahhaha its a joy to watch….
130 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Bilbao are class n we cud play like that but I think what pardew is doin this year is try get the most important part of it n that’s the work rate, watch how hard they work you need that b4 the passing football n once you have that work rate the passing football will become a lot more easy
131 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:09 PM
gorgonzola
True with 6-4-0 comment.
Thats why I think it is essential we play HBA. He naturally ups our tempo.
I remember Pardew saying back in the summer how he unlocks teams by creating space for other players and its true. He loosens the whole team up and gets them to move more. Our slow tempo this season has been a large part of the reason we have been poor at maintaining possession because we allow teams to close us down. We allow players to be closed down before they even get the ball.
Arsenal worked us well, they passed the ball around a ton and wouldnt let us close them down. They teased us until we would crack under frustration. We should be doing that to other teams.
Route 1 football has no place in the modern game. Especially in a league like this.
132 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM
And another thing all the players are local n technical ability is unreal puts most to shame in our team n league
133 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM
davybtoon
Perhaps you are right. Maybe he wants to ensure the basics are there before he gets fancy. Either that or he is too English.
I did hear that the first thing he did with the squad is go back over the fundementals of football. The stuff they teach you at junior level
134 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM
OMFG…..DID you ppl see that…
HOW DID HE MISS!!!I@I!UY@UT!@YT!Y@TYRTWETYQFDUAFDUYAFDAUHGDSD
135 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:11 PM
they are toying with them this is scary…..
136 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM
I agree with your assessment on the way we probably should be playing gorgonzola and I totally agree with you LGFUAD.
If you look at Barcelona, the greatest club team I have ever had the privilege to have witnessed, you would be forgiven for thinking that they just play creative, attacking football, but they also incorporate immense off the ball workrate. Whenever Barca don’t have the ball I would encourage those who enjoy seeing the beautiful game being played properly, just watch how the Barca front six track the ball down in numbers so ruthlessly, they make the defenders job so beautifully easy. This is what I would love to see from our lads.
I believe Pardew knows that he has a wealth of creative attacking ability within the side, yet the strength of a team is only as good as the sum of its parts and let us be honest here lads, our defence just does not cut it. Pards knows that he must provide cover for his defenders by pulling his midfield a little further back than he would want them to be.
However, whenever Pardew has a defence he fully trusts, i.e a back four of Colocinni’s then he will say to the likes of Cabaye “go forward son, pick these defences apart” and he will say to HBA “track back when you can but I want to see you rip these lads to shreds”
Maybe it is just my positive outlook but I have the feeling that a golden era is brewing on Tyneside….
137 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM
Tearing man utd apart
138 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:14 PM
and now somebody will tell me La liga is poor…
AHHAHAHHHHAHAHHA
139 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM
This club is showing what its all about I am afraid bet they combined salaries add up to Eto-s …
Manure are shown what football
IS
What a pleasure that my eyes are seeing this game I am in love….
140 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:18 PM
Ruddy I hope you are right…
We are however as good as Willo is and players of that calibre, wich thank god not many.
I myself would RATHER we get 2-3-4 SUPERB CB, RB, LB players for next season over a Hoillet for example…
We need squad depth we dont have one even CLOSELY….
But I will be watching summer with deep interest….
141 Irie-Magpie // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM
This team is really taking it to manu, don’t currently support a Spanish team, I think I’ve found them. Athletico Bilbao this is hunger… loving it..
142 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM
Ruddy
Agree. Especially the last part. Re-defense.
In the summer I dont think we really need to buy anything other than defense for first team. And a striker perhaps.
Ive been saying for weeks that I think Santon is primarily a winger. He prefers attacking. HE gets beaten as much as Raylor did.
I dont think any of our defenders are cr@p. They are just sup par for what we need. I always defend simmo on here. We really need a good centre back though. We also need a tough tackler on each side like Enrique was. We invite pressure on ourselves in our holding style of defense.
143 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM
They are playing great football but I hope ulot are seeing the work rate that these lads are putting in, it’s the same with barca pep says there nothing without the work rate
144 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM
“This team is really taking it to manu, don’t currently support a Spanish team, I think I’ve found them. Athletico Bilbao this is hunger… loving it..”
+1
EXACTLY
145 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM
If we reinforce the midfield over the summer without balancing out the squad with defenders I will be very disappointed, however I do think that players like Tavernier and Fergie will be the back up for LB and RB, with more experienced players like Raylor providing cover for the middle and full back positions. However I want our defence to be so good that a player like Willo and Raylor are not considered first team players but rather decent squad players at best.
146 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM
I Dunno if you ppl have noticed their marking is INSANE their plazers are GLUED to the MANURE scum..
its 2:0
its rape….
147 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Ruddy agree with you n next season think you will see pardew get his defence sorted so we can hav more flair goin forward, he’s has basically been trying to get us back to basics well frankly because it’s what we need to do
148 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:25 PM
Bilbao r only 7th in la liga n they’ve destroyed man utd twice
149 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM
wow, I hope you are all watching this (I haven’t watched the 2-3 last week). Man U are out of Europe cups this year, who would have thought? Not me.
150 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM
Ruddy
dont tempt the devil..
“If we reinforce the midfield over the summer without balancing out the squad with defenders I will be very disappointed”
I am 100% with you on that one but I ahve to look at our past to see it happening season over season…
I see we are geting the Amalfitano kid. thats CM… 1 down…
I cannot stress how accurate you are I will be GUTTED to see Willo start first team again if that happens we simply CANNOT allow it…. simply cant we are a big club we deserve pedigree and some performance from the back 4 its about time…
151 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Oleg seems the balace is shifting in Europe Premiere league is not that good it seems in all honesty….
152 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM
I really hope we get Petiers n mbwia in the summer
153 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM
Ruddy Marveaux-lous
As will I.
Our midfield is strong. Just give Guthrie a new deal. Perch has been slowly developing as a DM (I think he has a lot of potential in this role). Harris Vuckic has come on a lot this season and I expect him to break through next season. We have Fergie who looks good on the wing. We have Marv coming back (who looked good before his injury). We have Abeid. We have a young developing Sammy. Jonas can play in the middle.
If we were to pack out our midfield anymore it would be stupid unless we have the opportunity to sign someone hot and cheap.Doing so will only diminish out youths prospects. We should be aiming to bring players through.
Apart from replacing anyone that leaves we really only need defenders.
154 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM
Yeah davybtoon you are spot on and for anyone that doesn’t like Pards’ tactics I would say let’s just be patient and see where this project takes us. If we reach the end of his project and we are still playing stifling 4-4-2 football and our defence is still pants, then I would be on your side calling for a change.
Look at Southampton, the formations they play, the youth set up they have there and even their top scorer Lambert are all as a result of Pardew’s vision. Adkins just carried on the job Pardew had started. Pardew likes to play good expansive football, but he is also a realist and he knows what he needs to do to get results in the here and now.
I think Pardew has a long term vision for the club, and I have a sneaky feeling that his vision for sexy football is similar to all of his critics so give it time.
155 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM
Manure cant string 5 passes they are absolutely out of their league…
smashed, slaughtered, and its downright embarrassing….
156 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM
gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:28 PM
Something that I heard now – Man U are playing with youngsters. Did they strategically decided to get out of there and concentrate on the League?
157 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM
gorgonzola
The Prem is not the best league in the world. Its just because of some of the names we have here and the size and global reach of the teams.
If you really compare it, football is scruffy, It’s tougher because its more aggressive but that doesnt mean better.
AB are currently showing how to pacify an English team.
I reckon the Bundesliga is probably the best in the world at the moment
158 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Oleg not ture
They started the game full team they replaced them now with 3 youngsters they are starting to throw excuses if thats what you mean…
Bilbao are smashing them to little bits then recycling them and cutting them again and again…. I havent seen a better game for a while….
159 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Well, Bilbao are doing 3 out of the 4 things that I am saying we should be doing all the time – Play on the ground (they do it even when they are under pressure, and no long balls), pressuring all around, making the other team loose the ball, being mobile down and up the field, and they are just making one mistake of forcing some plays instead of keeping the ball a bit more and finding a better situation (But they are leading 2-0 on Man U! even without this one, so guess not even all 4 things are needed).
160 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:36 PM
Ruddy I pardew put all that in place at Southampton n they play great stuff, you gotta give him time, for me I can see what he’s trying to do he’s trying to get the basics ryt along with a work ethic n attitude, but u can see with players like hba, marveux, cabaye, cisse that is long term plan will be sexy football, as for now ya ryt I jus feel that he feels he needs to protect the back 4 n he does really, u can’t change a team over nyt it takes time
161 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:36 PM
LGFUAD21
well put….
are you ppl watching this…????? again another chance they cant contain them they ARE GETTING slaughtered out there if they had better finishers they could reach 7:0 buy now….
162 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:37 PM
gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM
oh…. ok. Sorry. I just turned the game on 15 mins ago.
163 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:38 PM
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
Play on the ground
is what NUFC should play
164 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:39 PM
manure scored
165 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM
LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM
I disagree. The PL is the best. Why? Because here all the “best” teams cannot have a run of 10-15 wins in a row like they can in Spain.
France and Italy are too weak, not enough quality football there compare to the PL. The German league is great, just less stars there, but there is great competition.
I don’t know. I think the British atmosphere in games, the class, the full stadiums (look how empty some games in Spain, France and Italy), and it is the birth place of football, so, it is the best all around.
It doesn’t mean that it has necessary the best top 1-4 teams in the world, that is a different story (Barca, Real are stronger I think than any PL team in my view).
166 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:41 PM
It’s ok saying it but it takes time to implement, look at Swansea took them 7 or 8 years of that style before they are now seeing the rewards
167 davybtoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Na for me la liga n bundisliga are the best 2
168 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Bilbao are playing great pressure and passing on the ground, just great to watch, don’t s*** their pants when there is some pressure, continue keeping the ball, opening for passing options and moving the ball around, great!
169 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:43 PM
I think the English league being the best there is,is a misconception,it’s definitely the most popular in the world,and one of the top five,but which is the best is a matter of debate.
170 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM
Ruddy
Thats interesting about Pardew.
He had a decent record at the club and he had to completely rebuild the squad largely with free transfers. He also had to deal with a poor backroom atmosphere.
Time will tell whether he is worth his salt. Im not gonna judge him till mid next season
171 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM
I also think we need to look for players that build on that style of play to me sometimes we might lok for just getting a good deal and maybe those players dont really fit it….
also a possibility…
172 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Watch how Bilbao players are moving without the ball, spreading, changing their position, making the Man U players run behind them, open space. A.P should be doing this with our team, we can do that I am sure.
173 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM
I think that CABAYE needs to start seeing a CAM role rather than a soft CM dare I say it CDM role…
174 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Oleg noted indeed
175 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Young and Wellback are British lads? They are in the England squad?
176 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Ashley young what a pig…what an offensive foul….
177 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM
So everyone has fallen in love with Bilbao and they are now far better than Man Utd? Interesting
178 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:50 PM
WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM
Sometimes there is a mismatch between teams. This is how Everton won some big games but are loosing others, like Stoke with their tall players are dominating some games and look like fools in others. Man U’s tactics are not working against Bilbao. I think that Bilbao are better than Man U because they won twice in two weeks, but Maybe Someone else can beat Bilbao and loose to Man U. no?
179 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:50 PM
91 minute
Manure have the ball what does Bilbao do…
1. Run after the ball
2. get it
3. Start attacking with it with 3 players
Most teams would shit bricks and would defend frantically
AMAZING
180 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:51 PM
WWJBD on the basis of tonight they have played excellent football. Given that this was arguably the strongest side they could have fielded give or take a few players it was interesting to see the lesson that United were given. Did you watch the match? Bilbao destroyed them, not beat them or were the better side, they utterly destroyed them. They are not a stronger or better team but the insights one could derive about perhaps the changing shift of footballing power is one to ponder
181 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM
Gorgon,
Rape,scum,pig,what offensive language…..!
182 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM
“So everyone has fallen in love with Bilbao and they are now far better than Man Utd? Interesting”
no rather fallen in love with their approach to the game.
1. Constant running
2. Marking of player they where separated by a hair think razor
3. Discipline
4. Formation
5. Attack in numbers and constant passing
should be carry on?
183 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM
Jail for Ashley
yeah its past your bed time it seems..
184 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM
I think in Bilbao maybe they don’t get PL games on TV.
They were like: Mansechker? Manterster? What a silly name for a team, are they from Ireland?
Who is Romi? who is that guy?
And that is why they were not afraid?
Usually teams who come to play against Man U are more afraid than they should be.
185 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM
Oleg
brilliantly put….
186 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM
One last word to the Pardew critics before I get accused of being a) His own personal sex slave or b) the man himself
How many of you though Hughton’s sacking was harsh?
Now I ask you
Would it not be just as harsh to sack him after hes taken us from 12th to 6th in our second season in the Prem?
factor into this that of our regular first team we have Santon, Benny, Obertan, Cabaye who are playing their first season in the Prem.
Along with Ba, Raylor (in at LB) and Saylor (after a lengthy time out through injury) and Best (never really had a proper run in the Prem)
Essentially new to the team.
The only proper prem tested players we have had this season is Simmo, Krul, Colo, Jonas, Tiote and Shola out of those that have made regular appearances this season.
187 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM
Wow lads not picking on Bilbao haha they have done very well against a decent Man Utd team but come next season Man Utd will be a lot stronger and Bilbao will most likely get cherry picked by bigger teams
All PL teams have been crap in European football this season but I dont think that means the balance is shifting more a blip imo
188 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM
“Man Utd team but come next season Man Utd will be a lot stronger and Bilbao will most likely get cherry picked by bigger teams”
you obviously have little intel on Bilbao then
189 gorgonzola // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:57 PM
night lads
190 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:57 PM
gorgonzola
Please do carry on…though if I didnt know otherwise Id say u were talking about Swansea
191 Klatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM
They did the exact same at Old Trafford, thats what you get when you have a team full of players taught,from a young age,to “love” and “caress” the ball and not just huff and puff their into the opposition net. Blame the English academy systems,placing emphasis on winning at all costs instead of technique and values of good football,no?
192 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:59 PM
Lads let’s keep it as a friendly debate, bear in mind that we support Nufc and not either Man U or Bilbao.
193 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM
Oleg G
You make some very good points that should factor into what makes the Prem such a good league. And I have to agree with you on many of them. However I was talking largely about the standard and style of football played.
Perhaps in the future with the FAs view on tackling becoming more strict each season we will see english football open up a bit
194 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Klatoon
Fair point I agree with that but English teams have a lot of very good technically gifted players coming through recently and they have turned their attentions to doing what the Germans did in revamping the youth set up so who knows whether things are on the change or not wont be able to assess for probably 5+ years
195 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:02 PM
LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM
You are such a typical AP sex slave and at the same time you are him!
(wow, is that physically possible? hhh…)
Most criticism is not saying sack him. I criticize him for example, but just because he is not playing sometimes as good of a tactic as we can (all in our personal opinions of course, there are things that we don’t know).
But when we see us pressuring, and moving the ball, and scoring, leading, winning, and then we are loosing balls that we are hoofing the ball for 90 mins and we do it then again and again and again (count Krul’s long balls in a game. It is more than 30 a game and most of them we loose). We just want something that the team already do, just not all the time for some reason.
I think we are all happy for where we are and we are all surprised. Just we feel (and AP and players feel it too) that we can do something great this year and get a Europe spot (something that we didn’t think about before this season started) and it looks like we are making mistakes that are not needed to be made.
196 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM
LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM
I didn’t understand you there so much, can you elaborate?
“…the standard and style of football played”.
“view on tackling becoming more strict each season we will see english football open up a bit”
197 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM
Klatoon
We have seen in recent years how youth can trump “experience”.
I get so sick of talking about young players with friend in regards to the England squad and their reply being “not experienced enough”.
Remember before the world cup how everybody said “Germany will get nowhere with that squad, theres not enough experience blah blah blah”
They were arguably the best team in the competition and I put it down to the sheer youth in their squad.
Look at Oxade-Chamblain this season. and Wilshere. Even Sammy has on occasion torn a new one for so called experienced full backs. Remember how many times Vuckic came close against West Brom largely because of the confidence and hunger he had in that game. Look at Ballotelli and Gareth Bale?
198 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Oleg G
I was acknowledging your point that atmosphere etc should factor into league ratings. But saying I was largely talking about the quality of the football.
I guess my key point here is that many foreign league demonstrate more skill (not in terms of trickery etc but tactics and playing style or how they play the game). This shows a true understanding of football as a team sport. Quite often the premier league can be a battle of muscle.
You will find many more teams winning in an ugly way in the prem than in other leagues.
I’d say the only teams in the Prem to have consistently played proper football this season are City, Tottenham, Arsenal (in the past few weeks) Swansea and Fulham.
Fulham are a great example of a team that could do potentially well in a foreign league as are Swansea because they play by virtue not strength
199 Klatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Wwjbd,exactly! German football was in a very bad place just a few years ago but the federation focussed on youth and academy systems and look where they are now,almost every Bundesliga team has 2 or 3 young fringe players whose technique and skills are incredible.
The FA have maybe been slower but the signs are promising,the younger players coming through are better technically but not at the same level as the Goetze’s,Drexlers,Reus’s etc
long way to go
200 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM
I work with a few people who would take great pleasure in seeing the demise of English football and were delighted with the poor results the other week,I would love to see Chelsea and Man city win the Eoropean cups just to shut a few people up.
201 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM
Oleg
Agree with you about hoof ball and how its not pelasing to see for fans.
I was just trying to bring some perspective to people on here earlier that were saying nothing but “Pardew is tactically inept”. I think a lot of people forget where we have been recently.
As the saying goes “Rome Wasn’t Built In A Day (…but Man City Was)”
202 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM
Klatoon
True they arent at the same consistant level but Richards, Wilshere, Walker, Sturridge. Cleverly, Welbeck etc are all very impressive and if u look at the under 21 and lower England seems to be doing themselves well but I agree it will be a long road but something must be getting better in the youth set ups
203 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM
Klatoon & WWJBD
That is what that ex german international (forget his name) was getting at when he said in a documentary about Englands failings at the Worl Cup.
He said, England will never reach a World Cup Final until each team can field at least 5 home grown talents.
England is always overrated when it comes to national rankings because of the standard of our league. But they seem to ignore the fact that most of the key players are foreign.
204 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:17 PM
JfA
Haha I think u might be clutching at straws with those two though it would be very funny if the man to bring Roman his CL trophy was RDM
Think City will be ducking out of Europe asap so they can focus on the PL I dont think Europe was ever really a target this season for them
205 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM
LGFUAD21
Agree mate the ranking of England is far higher than it should be but I would disagree its because of the foreign players, on paper England have a very strong squad and have for a long time
206 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM
LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM
Well, nothing else to say except – I agree.
(But I will say something anyway hh…)
Long balls were invented in England it sometimes seems and if you are not bleeding than it is not a foul. There should be a balance between all things.
Some how it is just (as someone who isn’t living in non of the countries mentions) more entertaining(!) to watch a PL game for us here (for most at least). There are things that happen in the PL that just don’t happen in any other league.
207 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM
WWJBD
again agree with you on that. England’s youth football is definitely on the up.
Wilshere is going to be one of the most important footballers for our national team for many years to come i think. He will eventually be captain.
I’m hoping whoever comes in to manage it has enough sense to tear it apart and rebuild from scratch around players like this.
The only 2 of the “old boys” id really keep are Rooney and Gerrard maybe Parker. Lampard is done. Cole is nearly done. Terry is too.
I’d definitely give Gerrard captaincy for the Euros though
208 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:24 PM
Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM
Really? You would want that to happen?
Things should change. I would love to see a situation that all British teams would be out (Chelsea changed that for now) and than everyone will talk about it for months. Then, next year, there will be much more edge, and Teams from England will come with more respect to some games and will try to go and prove themselves more. That is interesting to me.
Keeping the things as they are for years, is boring.
209 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:25 PM
Oleg G
I am obliged to agree with you then given your international perspective.
I do think that the Premier League is only going to get more exciting in years to come. The recession will hopefully finally end, smaller more local dependent clubs will get increased revenues. The fair play rules will come in and more and more teams will adopt our approach. I think we will see the top 4 turn into maybe a top 9 teams that. We already have something of a top 6.
It’ll be good to see teams like Manure and Liverfool given a reality check when they are having to fight harder to keep in the Champions league let alone win titles.
210 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM
LGFUAD21
Aye it needs revamping but any manager that does it will be slaughtered by the media then in turn hated by the fans then sacked (Capello was doing a decent job of doing that after the WC to be fair to him)
As for the old boys I’d keep Rooney and Gerrard like u but I would keep Parker and Cole as well. Baines isnt as good as Cole and other than that I cant think of a good English LB….might be missing the obvious though?
Parker is a good CDM and again the alternatives arent better….Barry? I mean come on! Rodwell needs to hit the highs again then he would slot in there but until then Parker for me.
Id also drop Downing he is utter crap and not worth the damn shirt angers me to see Downing and Barry
211 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM
hi guyes
well manure are out of the europa league so only chelsea still in europe is english football getting terrible and with the amount of foreign players in english teams either we have the worst FA there is or it is too easy for teams to put any player in there squad because human rights will not all the 6 english 5 foreign players in team to be used
212 Klatoon // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:37 PM
But for every Wilshere that comes through,4 or 5 Cabayes are signed by EPL clubs. And when a Cabaye leaves Lille,they unearth another from their academy thereby keeping the conveyor belt of talent moving while the young English players find their path blocked by the imports. Short term gain for the clubs,long term hurt for the national team
213 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Oleg,
You probably wouldnt say that if you worked with a group of people who won’t even put English mustard on their dinner.No,only an English presence in Europe keeps them quiet and besides I’ve always liked the English clubs do well(except Liverpool lately)
214 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:39 PM
Agree with you in terms of what Capello was trying to do. I always found Cappello confusing though. He would play a youthful revamped squad that would do well then he’d keep reverting back to the old boys.
I think Cappello was always going to struggle with the team. I believe he is a great manager but much like AVB, he never had the respect and confidence of his players. Our players let us down not Cappello. I want to see a manager who is not afraid to upset people. Many of the regular players need putting back in their place.
This is why we need to find Brian Clough and bring him back to life. We need someone who doesnt give a cr@p what the media or fans say about him. Someone who dares to do it and let the results speak for them-self.
Too much pandering to the media and fans when it comes to the England team.
If the fans and media are so good at managing a football team then why arent they doing it themselves.
215 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:40 PM
Klatoon
Very fair point there mate, I think that is a very big issue but the only way to stop it would damage the marketing of the PL which would damage the influx of money so it will never be corrected I fear.
I think if more English players went abroad it would do wonders for the national team
216 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM
@klatoon
spot when i look at newcastle last season we had a lot more english players than we have this season against arsenal there was only 5 of the 22 in the teams that were english
217 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Well mate, I am talking objectively, being neutral about the situation, so I cannot see it with your eyes.
And, Man C are now 0-2 down so, I am guessing you can count only on Chelsea now. Man C need to score 3.
218 tarie4 // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Anyone watching the twente game?? That Douglas is some player…he is strong like samba..and quite quick for his size…and his positional sense is brilliant…if he comes here…he is a starter….i believe…his range of passing is exceptional…
219 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM
LGFUAD21
I was never a big fan of Capello tbh he was good at bringing through young players as long as it was none competitve games and also lied when he said he would pick players who deserved to play rather than the big names.
Bottled it due to media pressure imo plus he NEVER came up north to see players and said he could see them when they played in London proving he was a helmet imo
Would love a manager like Clough but doubt that will happen.
I reckon England is a good 10 years of real investment away from being a real force again
220 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM
tarie
Who would u drop for him? Colo is captain and Saylor is Mr Newcastle
221 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:49 PM
LGFUAD21
there was one thing i think cappelo was who let us down and that thing is the club the players were playing for, thinking back to the world cup bent was top goal score in the league yet cappelo said because he was in the north east he was not coming.
also some of the game he went to seemed crazy because they only had 1 player that was english.
222 Oleg G // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM
The style of Russian commentators is so different than others that I hear (British, Israeli, Americans, Brazilian). In Russia it is like listening to Extras on a DVD of a game with the Coaches and Managers analyzing the game that we are watching. They are talking so much about stats, style, tactics, strategy, straights and weaknesses of players and know so much little info that makes the game look different some how. Very interesting. Also they are very objective about most things so you won’t hear them almost calling for one team to win (like happens a lot on Sky or ESPN).
223 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM
WWJBD Saylor is Douglas is as good as he is being touted as. Saylor is solid but he cannot pass and if we had two competent ball playing CBs we could successfully play from the back
224 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:52 PM
WWJBD
next season i would fancy the captains armband go to saylor i am starting to think it was him that lead the team during the good start we had
225 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:52 PM
*if
226 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Ruddy
Before this season I would of agreed with u (never rated Saylor that highly) but I really began to like him this season he cut out a lot of his mistakes and seems levelheaded when next to Colo also complimented him very well.
Douglas is a beast and a very good player but I wouldnt want to drop Saylor from the starting 11 maybe a rotation of CBs but then that ruins the solid relationships which saw us in such good stead early season.
Would love Douglas at the club come summer but for me he would have to be 3rd choice until Saylor had his standard season ending injury
227 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM
ruddy
a player like saylor is who i would call the gerrard of newcastle not so much in footballing terms, but in terms of the pride passion and loyalty he has for the club because of him being so local
228 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM
toonking
Sorry mate but Colo is captain and wont be stripped of it or dropped. I have seen interviews where Simmo, Saylor and Raylor all said they took their line from Colo and if u want closely u can see that during games Colo lines everyone up and they all look at him before moving (barring Santon)
Saylor isnt cool enough under pressure to lead the defence and he isnt a ball playing defender for me
229 LGFUAD21 // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM
WWJBD
Saylor was an absolute rock when he played this season. Always throwing him self in front of the ball.
He was also good at helping to launch attacks from the back and provided a good presence for set pieces.
He helped us push up a fair bit i think. We have been lacking that since he got injured
230 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM
WWJBD that’s why I think if we had two ball playing defenders at CB we’d be much more composed and able to build from the back, look at the way Caulker and to a lesser extent Williams do it for Swansea, I would love it if our lads could play out like that
231 tarie4 // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM
WWJBD by starter I meant that he is a like for like replacement…if Saylor get injured or whatever…putting Douglas in the team would not be a downgrade in quality..and if we are looking for a run in the league FA and premier league subs like him would be nice dnt U think…but judging from the game…if that Ajax fella goes to arsenal..i have a feeling floppy chops would come in for Douglas…we have to move quickly..
232 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM
I thought STaylor was going to be a natural successor to Terry or Ferdinand and walk straight into the England team,he’s just been really unlucky with injuries and other peoples girlfriends.
233 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM
LGFUAD21
I agree mate he actually looked like the player we thought he would be this season
Ruddy
I dont disagree that much but Saylor had looked more and more composed with Colo and was part of the best defence we have had in a long time. Closest defender in the PL I can think of to Saylor is Terry and thats a pretty big compliment in terms of playing quality
tarie
Ah right mate fair one I agree fully with that I think our main competition for him would be Spurs or Ajax tbh equally I wouldnt turn down that Toby lad if we cant get Douglas but Ajaxs might not be keen on losing both starting CBs
234 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:11 PM
JfA
Haha other peoples girlfriends he is the successor to Terry!
235 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Imagine these three CBs battling it out for a starting spot, the competition alone would make each of them step up their game and regardless who the silver fox picks as his starting pair, if they knew they had another quality CB breathing down their neck then they would be more inclined to put in blinder after blinder and that can only be good for us
236 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM
WWJBD
but the thing that we have lacked ever since saylor went out is getting ourself back into games if we concede a goal. the spurs at home twice we went behind but we still kept pushing forward and got a draw also with that sending off at manure we still were very strong so got a draw again, yet without him, fulham we concede 1 then next minute it is 5-1 wolves 2-0 next minute 2-2 against sunderland we only seemed to do anything once ameobi came on and in the game against arsenal we did very little once it was 1-1.
mind i what i can say is it’s not really the right time to compare the defences with/without saylor this season because the only player in his place is a championship player called willo
237 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM
JFA
injury has ruined that chance i think, also if the next manager is anything like cappelo was then when will he be watched
238 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM
A few people on here have said they would like Willo and Simpson sold and Tav and Streete to take their places,if thats the case then who becomes back up to them,I would love to see a couple of defenders brought in and nobody bar the deadwood leave and have a healthy squad,it really has been threadbare this season.
239 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM
toonking
Yeah its fair to say but our defence and CMs have been pulled apart and rebuilt often and the replacement for Saylor came in with half a reserves game under his belt after a long term injury plus Santon pulls the line all over the place since he has been starting.
But Colo up against Saylor for quality and leadership skills will only result in one winner for me and it isnt the cockney
240 Tonytoon73 // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM
WWJBD @177 of course we love all the Spanish, what about that score against barca in the final at wembley was it 3-1 can you remind me please. Ha ha
241 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:22 PM
Ruddy,
I’ve always been a fan of Willo,I thought he was a great buy but I wonder if it’s any coincidence that his poor form has come when he’s had no competition and is virtually assured of his place.
242 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM
Tony
Haha well I can only remember Rooney scored so must of been 1-0 Utd
243 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM
JfA I seriously think that could have something to do with it. He has been very very poor of late, the second half against Arsenal he was somewhat impressive so he isn’t a bad player, he is a good player to have in case of a crisis but not as a week in week out starter
244 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM
JFA in honesty from what i have seen from perch coming on as a FB and also the questions on wether santon is a RB. i think that the LB is the place we need to fill as for CB i keep saying that a young future CB and a good FB who can move into CB when we need him too could be a good idea
tav/santon__saylor___colo__FBCB
the cover
raylor/perch__FBCB__YCB__santon/perch
FBCB- the full back that is cabably of CB if needed
YCB- the young future CB
245 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM
perch as cover
246 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM
Ruddy
Very poor is a very nice way of describing his form of late.
Toonking
Buying Pieters would kill two birds with one stone and fall in nicely with our trimmed down squad policy.
247 Tonytoon73 // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM
WWJBD i remember a kid called messi, xavi and bojan got goals that night. Lol
248 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM
Well if I can’t say something nice about Willo then I would rather air on the side of diplomacy. He is the best that is available to us at the minute so we have to stick with him. Next season will be different I just know it.
249 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM
Tony
Well am no expert but they must be from the Man Utd reserve squad? I dont remember it being 4-0 though! U sure ur remembering correctly? Haha
250 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM
on the subject of bringing players in as cover the forwards is a position that we need players as cover for because we may have players as cover but it is in almost as bad a situation as defense is.
i think best has looked poor this season, as for ameobi well it’s a shame we can play the mackems all season, as he is poor most other games although he is a good sub. come new year we loose ba and cisse for 4-5 matches again. so we need 1 forward too
251 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM
Come on City 8 minutes to get another goal!
252 Jail for Ashley // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Best and Loverk should definitely go,shame that Ranger has got jelly for a brain and a one in thirty five goal ratio so he has to go to anyone who’ll pay him enough wages,so that leaves us in a position where at least two defenders and two strikers have to be bough in the summer.
253 Tonytoon73 // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM
WWJBD It must be my age i AM very forgetful. LOL
254 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM
Tony
Will have to do it again on this CL final mate…though unless Madrid are in it I will probably agree with Barca winning
Haha I will forgive u for it
255 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM
well city and united out of europa league most likely because they didn’t care much about it.
when you get knocked out the champions league it should mean you out of europe altogether because this cup is being made to look like a rubbish cup by teams like them
256 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Right lads, the kids are in bed, what are we on about?
257 t00ntime // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:05 PM
city got messed up there ! lisabon showed why the portugese league is sh1te… as soon as city scored one lisabon players were ‘injured’ every 5 seconds…. shud of been 10mins added on lol
How close was hart :O I thought it was in for a second
if he had went done it would of been a pen lol lisabon dfender was hanging off his collar lol
city shud of put it away a long time ago
lisabon reminded me of nufc today :S failure to round off games… how many points have we lost from winning postions?
258 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:06 PM
@this cup- i mean europa league cup
259 t00ntime // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:06 PM
down* (not done)
260 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Dannyo
Well while I have been about we have coverd AB being better than Man Utd. English football being crap but having a possibly bright future, Douglas coming in and shafting Saylor out of the starting 11, City fighting tooth and nail agains Sporting and then Tony came on ruined all the nice chat haha
Now I assume it will be City going out and Hart nearly getting them through
261 JAMSHA // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM
imagen if barton was still at toon. he would knock van pusi out cold
262 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:18 PM
…Jamsha I’m not so sure that would be such a good thing. We have to stop revering people that are adept at physically attacking others, it sends out the wrong kind of message
263 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM
If Barton was still at the Toon someone in Arsenals team would of been sent off if he hadnt been
264 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Let’s not turn this into a reminiscing session about Barton…please! lol
265 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:22 PM
Nolan one instead then?
266 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Lesser of two evils…nah just kidding I liked Nolan and glad he is doing well at the Hammers. that hat trick against the unwashed will live long in Geordie folklore!
267 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM
dannyo
the subjects this evening seem to have been manchester knock out, england youth team development and the defense with/without saylor
268 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM
WWJBD
Ha, some good topics there then.
Both Manchester teams out, bit of a shame really and at the same time i’m happy about being able to point finger and laugh.
English football being crap? Well, tbh, i think english football may be at a crossroad. Start developing more technical players or continue with the high paced physical style. Imo, it’s clear who’s winning that fight.
With the current emphasis on pace and physicality in english footy, u’ll never produce a Messi, ever.
That’s my thoughts on it anyways. Imo, football as a whole is moving in a different direction these days, cause there’s more entairtainment in technique and dribbling skills than outrunning the opposition and bully them while doing it. Shearers type is a dying breed.
269 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Haha cant say I had anything against Nolan, Barton, Carroll or El Toro….Id probably have them all back in the squad if I could
But aint gonna happen
270 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Wouldn’t have Barton back, would consider the other three but aside from Toro the other two would just be squad players I think.
271 toonking // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:32 PM
@dannyo i blame the england problems on these
1. human right law prevents the 6-5 rule the fa once wanted
2.computer games
3. and well the amount of foreign players arriving
272 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:32 PM
Dannyo
Haha aye I agree about the Mancs shame there out but am not that bothered either way as we arent affected.
I reckon we are more likely to produce Madrid type players than Barca ones, more physical, direct and moody
though we do have some good young players coming through atm.
Not sure I agree that theres more entertainment in technique over bullying though. I dont find watching Barca that entertaining tbh prefer watching a Man Utd or Madrid
273 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Fair one lad but I still love Barton, ego filled bellend at times but on his day he is a passion filled shotgun of a player who is capable of changing a game in our favour
Reckon Jose would walk back into our first team. Nolan would be 3rd choice CM Carroll would be 3rd choice striker to begin with but who knows if he found his love of the game again
274 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM
WWJBD
I like players like Messi, HBA, Zidane, those type of players who can win games on their own. I love watching that type of football.
Zidane is my favorite all time player, he wasn’t pacey, but christ u can nearly never get the ball off him, loved it.
I shed a tear the day he retired.
275 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM
Yeah that’s the way that I see those three players too WWJBD. Barton is a ego filled bellend. we don’t know what he will do next, some people find that interesting others find it unsettling, I am of the latter persuasion. Nolan would be a great player to pull off the bench to try and change a game though
276 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Dannyo
Oh God u put HBA in with the likes of Messi and Zidane? Who have u been talking to? Haha
Dont get me wrong Zidane is one of my favourites too (possibly all time barring Shearer) and watching Messi play is often very special but a team playing like Barca hold little excitment for me
277 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM
Haha no worries Ruddy lad I often worried about what Barton would do in games but for the most part it ended well for us last season plus he was never boring.
Oh I imagine Nolan would be on around 8 goals by now even coming off the bench and goals from people not called Ba have been our issue this season
278 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM
WWJBD
We’ll see what happens, but the physical days of football are done for, especially with the refs being so hard on it these days.
On a completely different note, someone here said MA and DL had been downsizing the workforce within the club, when it comes to staff and etc. NUFC currently employs 478 people, that’s staff and players. That’s 50 more than in 2010… I never knew that a club would have this many employs. One can learn allot from reading those documents.
http://www.nufcblog.org/newcastle-united-accounts.pdf
Those are the official accounting papers for 2011, online now if anyone’s interested.
279 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM
Dannyo
Begrudingly I have to agree but I think the sport is losing/has lost something with the lack of physicality but then I have always been a tackle loving defender in games so I would say that
280 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM
@WWJBD
Well, i can’t disagree with that either, lol. I love me a good proper tackle. I have always wondered one thing. The pundits go all “ooh, ahh, ouch” when they see someone sliding in with their studs up.
How else are players suppose to tackle? Slide in with their butts first? If the player hits the ball relativly cleanly, surely we must be able to live with that? Annoys me sometimes. They can’t always tippy toe ballerina tackle can they?
281 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM
Dannyo
Couldnt agree more. Its a contact sport after all and tackling is a big part of it but these days u cant touch another player!
U want to dance go join a musical if u want to play football grow a pair and get on with it. One of the thing I love about NUFC rarely complain that much after a tackle (barring Jonas but he is getting better) unless it has actually injured them
Tiote and Cabaye go in like bull dogs but dont cry when they are treated the same
282 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM
@WWJBD
Concerning Jonas and his diving, cause oh my he dives. But he’s one of the top players in the prem to gain free kicks for their teams, so he’s an asset in more ways than one.
So when people say they don’t want Hoilett cause he had that poor fake dive…cmon, look at Jonas, lol, u can’t even begin to compare.
There’s a limit to the tackles tho, some are just plain stupid. There was a recent tackle somewhere, cant remember what league. A player slid in from behind, studs into the back of the knee, and the player with the ball was not aware that he was going to be tackled.
The player was ok, but the guy who tackled may actually serve jail time for assault.
Now thats a tackle, lol.
283 WWJBD // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Dannyo
Aye thats a fair point on Hoilett tbf I have never had that bigger issue with bringing him in if possible do wish he would stop the diving though. Jonas I have more time for though because for th emost part he just draws people into fouling him rather than pure diving.
Haha well yeah Id say thats a bit far in tackling terms. That kind of stuff should be punished but its going too far recently
Anyway am off have a good un
284 Dannyo // Mar 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Goooood night.
285 GeordieToon89 // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM
Anyone heard this about Erik Pieters..? He’s apparently either FAILED a drugs test or unable to provide a urine sample to be tested
286 GeordieToon89 // Mar 16, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Erik Pieters?@_Erik_Pieters_
1e poging voor 90ml plas #fail Kom tot 40ml #doping
Which translates to:
First attempt for 90ml to 40ml Come pee # fail
287 karasu // Mar 16, 2012 at 1:43 AM
it’s gotta be because he realised that his spot in the oranje will be under threat if he takes this feud with van persie on further.
288 Kc-Toon // Mar 16, 2012 at 2:26 AM
Anyone else see the twente vs schalke game. I only caught the second half, douglas was terrible. tripping over the ball and scared to go into tackles, and to think i voted for him in the poll!
289 davis_toons // Mar 16, 2012 at 3:54 AM
===============Krul/Valdes================
Simo/Alves==Colo-Puyol=Wilo/Pique===Santon/Abidal
==============Tiote/Busquets=================
========Cabaye/Xavi========Guthrie/Iniesta======
=====HBA/Messi===================Cisse/Pedro
==================Ba/Villa===================
Really a gd setup..but its only the Manager thats different : P and AP
Mindset? Defensive/longball/PumpBall Coaching
or
Attacking/Short-Long Passing/ThroughBall/PossisionGame
But frankly, with the tatics we can only improve by buying the right players and setting the right mentality to the game.
AP will NeveR drop players like Guti to play this risky formation. Tho many would properly like to see as well.
It will never happen. Its all in the Manager Mindset.
It will only happen with Managers that have the GUTs to do it. eg. AVB, eSpecial1, Redhap ..
AP might not have that..but really glad that Obtan was able to play in that forward position. It was a surprise..really.
…its somthing like asking BigSam not to play long ball/ long throw into e box.
290 davis_toons // Mar 16, 2012 at 4:26 AM
Btw Simo/Alves ..Alves doesnt too much of overlapping and supporting for Messis and the team thats why it woks. Alves always runs up and support play.
We need to get one of those Gjohnson, PEvra, kind of players..simpson cant support any RW to play attacking football.
And Pique was too good to be Wilo…He can support on his own at the back winning takles and headers..Release pressure and bring the ball up to attack.
In short. CD & RB WANTED any cheap and good ones?
291 davis_toons // Mar 16, 2012 at 4:36 AM
Wilo can only pump the ball up but we will be moe than glad that he can always do that.
Moreover he cost us only 1 million. What much can we ask for, same case as Simpson. Its only so much that they can improve.
These are just gifted to be ie Rio Ferdinand, when young, they were already good players.
292 Kc-Toon // Mar 16, 2012 at 5:04 AM
The other day i mentioned the idea of playing without any wingers, simply because ours are shite..Nobody seemed to think the team would work, because no other epl team sets up without wingers, but theres a perfect example. look at athletico trounce man utd yesterday, without any wingers, just playing with 3 front men basically, munian, lorrente and suseata. Only id have cisse furthest upfield with ba and hba dropping off behind, midfield 3 hard tackling players, so would cover the need for our fullbacks needing support
293 jesperfuglsang // Mar 16, 2012 at 8:21 AM
Kc-Toon
Both Colo-Sus, Dannyo and myself have talked about a wingerless formation recently.
Because of the same reasoning as you are using. Our wingers have no end product and we have no crosses.
I am more an advocat for a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1. Depending on how you look at it you could call these formations wingerless
294 Rotonda heights // Mar 16, 2012 at 8:50 AM
have been saying we shouldn’t have wingers for ages. 433 or 4231 is the way to go
295 Rotonda heights // Mar 16, 2012 at 8:54 AM
WWJBD
When you make a statement like watching barca is boring, you kind of lose all credibility mate.
We could only ever dream of playing like they do.
Plus they’ve done if for years, not just with messi.
296 davis_toons // Mar 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Kc-Toon // Mar 16, 2012 at 5:04 AM
Its true, but we needed AP to try that ..dont think he will think of that tatics even. Because i doubt he will think of drop the hardworker Jonas for nothing ever
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