If Everton Reach FA Cup Final It’s Bad News For Magpies


At least one thing we are finding out in infinite detail – how a team can qualify for the Europa League from England.

Everton manager David Moyes – now we know why he’s smiling!

I had a piece out yesterday on the Fair Play rules, and I had a few responses to that article from  our knowledgeable readers.

We had assumed  that as long as Everton didn’t win the FA Cup,  then if Newcastle could get into 6th place – we were in the Europa League.

But it just so happens that’s not exactly true,  as one or two readers have pointed out.

If a team loses the final but the other team has already qualified for Europe, they get one of the Europa League places.

I’ve taken this piece directly from the official Premier League site on qualification for the Europa League:

There are three places available in the UEFA Europa League
The FA Cup winners will enter at the Group Stage
The fifth-placed team in the Barclays Premier League will enter at the Play-Off stage
The Carling Cup winners will enter at the Q3 stage
In the event The FA Cup winners also qualify for the UEFA Champions League, The FA Cup runner-up will qualify for the UEFA Europa League, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative – unless it stops Newcastle from qualifying
The place with direct access to the Group Stage will be given to the club that finishes in the highest position in the Barclays Premier League of the clubs qualifying for the UEFA Europa League.
If an English team wins the UEFA Europa League they will enter the next season’s competition at the Group Stage, gaining an extra domestic place only if they fail to qualify through other means for either of the two European competitions.
If the holders of the UEFA Europa League have already qualified for Europe, no extra domestic place will be gained.
If The FA Cup winners, runners-up (if applicable) and the Carling Cup winners have already qualified for Europe, their place goes to the next best placed clubs in the Barclays Premier League.

And just to clarify how non-exact this process can be, there’s this note at the bottom of the page:

The above is purely a guide to the qualification procedure at present. From time to time other scenarios may occur which could mean that the above procedures may need to be reviewed.

And yes – you got me – I added that statement – unless it stops Newcastle from qualifying – but that would do it – and maybe that should be a specific scenario for this season?

No chance.

It seems there’s only one way Newcastle can be certain to qualify for the Europa League next season – and not have to rely on others – and that’s by pipping Chelsea for 5th place.

And we’ll have to beat them on points because of our poor goal difference, and that’s why we need a win at Swansea tomorrow, and hope Wigan are in inspired form at Stamford Bridge on Saturday.

Newcastle need to get as many wins as possible after that, in the final 6 games of the season.

That should do it – and then Chelsea will have to spend a few  (hundred?) million more in the summer to try to catch Newcastle next season. 😀

I love it!



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134 comments so far

  • HOVIS (the poster formerly known as cheick norris)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #1

    Lets not worry guys. We’ll finish 4th or 5th anyway

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #2

    Vask…Have you commented on this today? If so, your theory may be starting to hold up.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #3

    I will look at qualification more seriously when we have 2 or 3 games to go. Too many ifs and buts right now. It’s looking good though 🙂

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  • sirtoongospel

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #4

    To be honest guys, if Chelsea are more concerned about the cups, then we might just nail them on the line for 5th. The game between us might just decide it, but we are capable of a result down there.

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  • tdt

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #5

    It would appear we’re sorted provided Liverpool beat Everton in the semi-final next weekend.

    That is assuming Chelsea don’t win the CL, and we don’t finish lower than 6th.

    But failing that, we will need to finish 5th or above.

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  • Eastander

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #6

    Ed its fine I have a solution, I’ll put a bet on Everton to get through and then its guaranteed they wont win! My bad luck now has a purpose!

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  • Vask

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #7

    Yesterday Ibiza or perhaps the day before, I said something about europe. I also stated that there is no reason not to expect a top 2 finish next season. That was more metaphysical optimism than a prediction tho.

    I still reckon 4th is on for us this season.

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  • lordjoesnow

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #8

    If Chelsea end up 5th but win the CL do 5 teams go to the CL next year? I remember Liverpool got away with it when they didnt qualify.. that would mean that 6th and 7th go to europa depending on the everton liverpool game??

    ??

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #9

    LordJoe…I think I read recently if Chelsea win the CL, but don’t get top 4 they get the 4th spot and the team finishing 4th would get the Europa…not sure though.

    Vask….pretty sure every poster has mentioned “Europe” in one of their posts the last couple of days. If the next article is about us reaching the top 2 next season, then yes, Ed is using your posts 🙂

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #10

    LJS

    I think the bindipper loophole has been tightened up.
    Still would prefer to see Everton above bindippers in League and beat them in FA Cup as Moyes deserves more success than Dogleash.

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  • Ben_BKK

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #11

    So wait, if I’ve read the above correctly, Everton would only get a European place as runner up if Chelsea qualified for the Champions’ League. So if the final is Chelsea v Everton and Chelsea only finish 5th, we would still qualify for Europa in 6th. Does that sound right to everyone else based on the above?

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #12

    Repost

    As Rangers will be disqualified from Europe next season, then the 4th ranked SPL finisher may well end up in the Europa League. The way its going it could easily be St Johnstone or Dundee United.

    Perhaps we should play our second 11 in the SPL if European football is available to teams of this standard..

    (I’m not slagging St Johnstone or the Tangerines here they have done incredible things with few resources)

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  • Faddj

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Comment #13

    guys, I’m a young photographer trying to get a bit of recognition, I was sat pitch side at the game on Sunday for the ‘Wembley to Soweto’ project, if you have a minute have a look at my blog please, cheers!

    http://faddj.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/wembley-to-soweto-st-james-park.html

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  • Vask

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Comment #14

    RE: Chelsea winning CL.

    I heard or read or made up that even if chelsea win the CL and finish outside the CL spots they don’t qualify.

    Although Ibizy might be right about 4th spot taking the league allocation of uefa cup if chelsea win. To be fair there is a very slim chance of chelsea making it through, they struggled last night in my opinion.

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  • Vask

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #15

    We know Faddj, we know. 😉

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #16

    Vask

    We’ll know after Monday’s games if 4th is on for us.

    I hear Terry’s injury is more serious than first thought.
    As they are relying so heavily on the old brigade that has to be a bad thing for Chelski

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  • chris_g

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #17

    “It seems there’s only one way Newcastle can be certain to qualify for the Europa League next season and not rely on others – and that’s by pipping Chelsea for 5th place.”

    That’s assuming that Chelsea don’t win the Champions League. If they do, and Everton win the FA Cup, and the league table finishes like this:
    4. Spurs
    5. Newcastle
    6. Chelsea
    then the Champions League places will be taken by the top 3 teams plus Chelsea and the teams qualifying for the Europa League would be Spurs, Liverpool and Everton.
    http://www.leazesterrace.com/the-complicated-road-to-europe/

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  • Up N Hatem

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #18

    In the rules it says about if a champions league team win the FA cup the runners cup gets europa, but what of Chelsea finish 5th and win the final over everton according to Wikipedia the place then would go to the league

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #19

    Vask

    I thought Torres had quite a good game last night but does not look in tune with the rest of the side. Sacking AVB has not solve any of their problems and they might easily blow up the next four or five games.

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #20

    Chelski stand as much chance of winning CL as unwashed do of finishing above us.

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  • Vask

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #21

    Good craic MFH. Hopefully he’s out for a while and they crash out of the CL in the semi. Then get beat off spurs in the other semi and finish 6th behind us due to a catastrophic implosion of spectacular effect.

    Chris, it’s a good job chelsea are rank outsiders to win the CL.

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #22

    I have NEVER mentioned europe. Oh yeah, right.

    I think Liverpool will not be able to stand the thought of their stereo-nicking cousins not only finishing above them but knocking them out of a cup. I think KK & Krew rationalise that two cup finals does indeed a good season make and the it may keep his kurrent kontract going.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #23

    Liverpool have got nothing to really achieve in the league other than pride. They’ve qualified for Europe via the Carling Cup, so I’m with Tsunki….FA Cup will be there priority. 2 trophies in one season is nothing to be disappointed in and would give Kenny another year to improve things, I’d imagine.

    Chelsea are so hard to predict still. Could go either way at this point. Let’s hope they bottle it all

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  • Ben_BKK

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #24

    @ Up N Harem

    That’s exactly what I just said lol

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  • Ben_BKK

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #25

    *Hatem

    Damn phone, I even changed it back once!

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  • Vulkarn

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #26

    @Ben_BKK

    You are right that if Chelsea finish 5th and win the FA Cup Final then we would get the Europa spot rather than Everton.
    The exact situation happened to me in Football Manager the other night – I finished 5th with Newcastle and also won the FA Cup final against Cardiff. Arsenal who finished in 6th got the Europa spot rather than Cardiff. (The 3rd spot had already gone to Wigan who won the Carling Cup). So I am assuming the same thing would happen in real life.

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #27

    Chelsea have infinite capacity to bottle it. One cross word between JT and the caretaker ‘manager’ ha ha would signal another player led revolt, a quick call on the sat phone to Abramovich and Ian Dowie or JFK would be jetted in to steady the ship he he. We can do this one, but I always have in the back of my mind that while I would love it, just love it…….

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Comment #28

    Do we have Bolton this monday coming (9th)? I thought it was the following Monday…christ

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #29

    While not on the subject of teams that are not like, what would your worst top five look like? Mine would be:-
    1/ mackems
    2/ bindippers
    3/ chelski
    4/ stoke
    5/ villa

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #30

    At least we have an extra day than Bolton to recover.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #31

    Tsunki…

    1)Mackems
    2) Bindippers
    3) Villa
    4) Man C
    5) Blackburn

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #32

    Tsunki @27

    Maybe we should hope Agent Bruce gets a few games controlling Chelski as ‘caretaker’

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #33

    Ibiza it’s a 3 O’Clock KO. Smack bang middle of bank hol. Family chuffed to bits no day out for them. I’ll be sorted though 🙂

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  • pardews waxwork lips

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #34

    Can I just point it out the Europa league place from either the F.A cup and League cup goes to the runners up… ONLY if the winner has qualified for the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE If the winner is Europan League then the extra place goes to the LEAGUE.. It’s in the article people just confuse it talking cow dung.. If league positions stay the same Tottenham Vs Everton would be the fixture we do not want…First and foremost we want Everton out.. But failing that Chelsea Everton is what we need.. However I don’t know what happens if Chelsea win CL and F.A cup as technically they have qualified for the CL next season by winning but not by the league therefore it would go to us..

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  • TOONALE

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #35

    Hovis
    The news on Perch is that he has had a scan on his head, and the scan showed he has a small growth on his brow, that acts as a trigger point
    and makes his legs give way, it will get better with time, but until then, he is advised to keep away from goal keepers.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #36

    Given we have 2 games in 72 hours would anyone change their line-ups for the Swansea game? Should we rest anyone and mix in some youth? Tough one

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  • Tsunki

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #37

    Mfh – wouldn’t that be mint ha ha!

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  • MagpiesFlyHigh

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #38

    Tsunki / CODARM

    1) Mackems
    2) Bindippers
    3) Chelski
    4) Stoke
    5) Citeh

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  • ryan_toon

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #39

    Hi, i was just wondering and correct me if I’m wrong, but if we do in fact get 5th place but chelsea wins the champions league and if everton go through the final, do we not get europa league? Because i think that if chelsea wins the champions league, the first 3 in the epl will get champions league. therefore, 4th place would instead get the last europa league spot.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 5, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #40

    I can’t believe we have 2 games this weekend. How on Earth have I missed that?

    Getting crazy excited now, feel like a little kid. Might have to go and run some energy off in the garden. How interesting the table could look Monday night

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