Pardew – FA Cup Losers Should Never Qualify For Europa League

England and France are the only two countries who allow their Cup-winners to qualify for the Europa League.

Alan Pardew – FA Cup losers should not qualify for Europa League

In all other countries it is simply based on league position, which of course  is a much better way of deciding which are the best teams in the country and should therefore qualify for Europe.

But of course if England did that,  nobody would bother too much with the FA Cup or the League (Carling) Cup,  so the winners of those two cups, and the team that finishes in 5th place in the league, are the three teams who represent England each year in the Europa League.

But it is one particular proviso on qualification in England,  that Alan Pardew doesn’t agree with, and it’s the following:

“In the event The FA Cup winners also qualify for the UEFA Champions League, The FA Cup runner-up will qualify for the UEFA Europa League, but in the place reserved for the lowest ranking Barclays Premier League representative”

The way England picks their teams, it’s possible for a side relegated from the Premier League to represent England in the Europa League.

That’s what Birmingham have done this season, and only in England would something so daft be allowed – so the FA must be involved. 😀

This is what the Newcastle manager had to say about this today:

“You also have the Liverpool-Everton FA Cup semi that is going to impact on European qualification.”     “It would, of course, suit our ­European hopes if Liverpool won that tie.”

 “Everton could get through to the final and I still think the rule needs to be looked at ­because, if we finish higher than them in the Premier League, that has to be better than the runners-up in the FA Cup qualifying for the Europa League.”

“If Everton win the FA Cup, I’d say, ‘Fair enough.” “There will be one side of me quite pleased if we don’t qualify for Europe, because it will mean we can attack next season without having the extra pressure of Europa League.”

“Having said that, the other side of me would welcome it because it would take the club forward, bond some of the players to the club, and it would be an achievement of sorts. We could also perhaps add to the squad with the extra finance we’d get.”

We agree with Alan, and it’s not just that would favor Newcastle this year, but you must win the FA Cup before you should qualify for a Europa League position.

And of course Birmingham did win the Carling Cup last year and were relegated, so that unfortunate condition would still stand,  but not if they were beaten by Arsenal last year in the final.

What do you think about this?

Comments welcome.

16 comments so far

  • Dannyo

    Apr 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    Comment #1

    Very balanced view from AP this, and it represents both sides of the debate.
    I still want Europe tho. It’ll be good for fringe and young players in the long run.
    It has too many good things in it for us to say no to it.
    I wanna watch NUFC two times a week if possible 🙂

  • rich_toonfan

    Apr 8, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #2

    the only downside to europa league is having to listen to the channel 5 commentary…..

    but i suppose i can live with that for some great european nights

  • jesperfuglsang

    Apr 8, 2012 at 8:50 AM

    Comment #3

    I couldnt disagree more with you Pardew. A season of football in England is more than just the EPL; what makes it so interesting is the fact that you have teams competing in both CL or Europa League, FA Cup, Carling Cup and the EPL. It means there are different ways to get into Europe and things are not always so straight foreward 🙂

    We should embrace that.

  • Dennis Twice

    Apr 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #4

    Attack attack attack!

  • darrenfletcher88

    Apr 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #5

    The most Important thing is we get europe now, keep playing solid, and keep the points coming, if we don’t get Europe it will be a long summer keeping ahold of some of are stars!!!

  • 3110

    Apr 8, 2012 at 9:31 AM

    Comment #6

    I agree with Alan’s sentiments but the blog is not correct to say that Birmingham would have qualified for Europe even if they had lost the Carling cup final last year. Losers of the Carling Cup are exactly that – Carling cup losers. there’s no European place for the losers of the Carling Cup regardless of who beats them in the final.

  • Ed Harrison

    Apr 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #7

    3110 – you are right – it only applies to the FA Cup – I have corrected it.

  • Marco

    Apr 8, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #8

    hi to all magpies fan, i’m from italy and also here the winner of cup go on europa league !! (or the loser )

  • Crawfordladd17

    Apr 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #9

    The FA Cup and Carling Cup the only difference is the Carling Cup would be harder to win if everyone used their strongest team or their FA Cup team at least because the worse team you can play in Carling Cup is a League 2 relegated team but in the FA Cup you can end up playing Guernsey FC

  • alkinou

    Apr 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #10

    “England and France are the only two countries who allow their Cup-winners to qualify for the Europa League.”

    As Marco said but for Belgium, here the winner (or loser) of the cup also qualify for the europa league

  • sps80

    Apr 8, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Comment #11

    In Poland, where I live, cup winner also is promoted to EL.
    Cup or league – every manager should decide whatever he wants to his team.


    Apr 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #12


    Happy Easter Ed ! And congrats on maintaining and kepping us all informed on this Superb Blog!

  • Arfa Chance

    Apr 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #13

    Was AP saying this when West Ham qualified via the FA Cup runners-up route in 2006?

  • solano

    Apr 8, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #15

    I don’t get Pardew’s stance on being reticent about playing in Europe because he wants to “attack next season”. Surely, achieving European football is the aim of the club? Afterall, in the most downbeat statement of intent 18 months ago they stated their ambition was challenging for Euro qualification within 5years. This has been achieved by Alan’s fantastic management in 1 full season, by getting more out the team than its component parts would suggest.
    His words only make sense if he knows exactly how much backing he is going to receive off those above him re:transfers. It seems he is a little fearful of limited funds and incoming numbers – but surely, if we are ahead of schedule in our “masterplan”, the headcheeses could release some more funding – afterall, we still have a huge pot of transfer profit.

  • theleckworthbird

    Apr 8, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #16

    My daughter has just grasped the offside rule, now she has to get her head round the labyrinth that is Europe qualification. When she does I’ll get her to explain it to me.


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