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Which Belgium Center-Back Are Newcastle Really After?

10:55 am, Monday, April 16th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 31 Comments

News today in the Evening Chronicle that Alan Pardew was in Amsterdam yesterday,  taking in the Ajax vs De Graafschap game.

Toby Alderweireld – is this Newcastle’s real target?

The Chronicle is reporting that Pardew was watching Belgium International center-back Jan Vertonghen, who turns 25 next week, but we wonder if Newcastle have much chance of getting the player in the summer, and surely his £10M fee is too high.

We have a feeling that Jan’s partner in central defense – and fellow Belgium international  Toby Alderweireld, who tuned 23 last month and played yesterday,  could be Newcastle’s main target at Ajax, who won the game 3-1.

Newcastle have a number of options for center-back this summer, with FC Twente’s Douglas maybe the favorite,  and it could be that a deal has already been agreed to bring the Brazilian to Tyneside this summer.

Arsenal are strongly linked Vertonghen,  with the news yesterday that Arsene Wenger will sell German center-back Per Mertesacker this summer, because he is not quick enough for the Premier League, even though he is Germany’s first choice center-back these days.

Arsenal have to be favorites to get Vertonghen, who had this to day on his potential transfer this summer:

“I have instructed my agent carefully. He knows which clubs I want to join and Arsenal are one of them.”

Of course Newcastle could be one of those clubs and if we can qualify for the Champions league, then we may have a chance to get the lad on Tyneside, but past comments suggest he wants to join Arsenal – if he had a choice.

Jan Vertonghen – turns 25 next week

And another factor is that Alan Pardew can be very persuasive when he talks about the Magpies, and he has a terrific record at Newcastle, and he could possibly talk Jan into coming to Newcastle.

But we think his central defensive partner at Ajax,  Toby Alderweireld,  could be better value, and this lad is a strong and competent center-back,  who could do well in the Premier League and would cost less.

Toby stands 6’1″ tall and has played 125 times with 10 goals for Ajax and 16 times for Belgium, while Jan has played 213 times with 27 goals for Ajax, and stands just over 6’2″ tall  and has 36 caps and two goals for Belgium.

Who do you think would be the better player to join Newcastle in the summer?

Comments welcome.



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31 responses so far ↓

  • 1 check the toastie // Apr 16, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Wud prefer Douglas, i like massive psycopathic centre halfs, think the team needs a bit of presence ala Vidic, plus he will be cheaper.

  • 2 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // Apr 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Hoping its Vertonghen. Wouldn’t mind Douglas though.

  • 3 grumpy_old_sod // Apr 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Howay edd man, give people a chance to blog.

  • 4 alkinou // Apr 16, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    I think Vertonghen is a better player and can also be a big offensive threat. But Alderweireld is also a very good defender and I think he has what it takes to compete at the highest level. I’d be delighted with either!
    But this is a biaised opinion

  • 5 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    @Check the toastie,

    Aye. Having Douglas and Tiote to deal with would be scary. Throw in Samba aswell. Would literally be just a wall in front of Krul.

  • 6 cyprus // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    The problem with this diving thing is sometimes refs get it wrong the other way too and that’s probably even more unfair. e.g. Tevez was really fouled a couple of days ago and he got a yellow. The only solution to all this is video technology. This was applied centuries ago in the USA with American football. Each team would be allowed, say, 2 challenges per half and ref would also be allowed to double check a decision once in each half. Video viewing would be a maximum of 30 seconds, that’s three minutes more per game, hardly a problem with flow of games, which is one of the main excuses for not introducing it. The other is tradition: anyone remember goalies allowed to handle the ball from a back pass? BTW, goal line technology alone is a crap idea, as it happens very rarely. Imagine how many games are played around the world and how many efforts are fifty-fifty past the line; if you’ve played football, you know it’s a tiny percentage. Video technology is needed all over the field, for questionable decisions regarding pens, offsides, red card offences, etc.

  • 7 alkinou // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    Vertonghen can also do a very decent job as a defensive midfielder, he’s played there a couple of times for Belgium and has been very good!

  • 8 LewSpi // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    Alderweireld for me, cheaper, younger and just as good, also hasn’t stated he’d prefer another club as his first choice.

    But, can anybody spell his name phonetically for me please, so I know how to actually say it? Cheers, ta.

  • 9 cyprus // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Sorry, that’s 5 minutes on previous comment…

  • 10 geordiejamie89 // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    The thing is, they wear headsets. And if the game has already stopped, like say when Grant Holt was fouled last week and should have had a penalty, or Tevez, or Ashley Young’s little dive, why can’t the ref look to somebody off the pitch. We can see whether it’s a penatly or not before the ref has finished talking to the assistant half the time. And instead of just guessing and giving a goal/ penalty, they should always give a goal kick if they can’t be sure, instead of costing teams points by guessing. Goal line technology for the likes of Chelsea’s “goal” will be overdue.

  • 11 Dyer8 // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    CB List
    1st. Jan Vertonghen (Ajax)
    2nd. Douglas (Twente)
    3rd. Mapou Yanga M’Biwa (Montpelier)
    4th. Ashley Wiliams (Swansea)
    5th. Curtis Davies (B’Ham)
    6th. Toby Alderweireld (Ajax)

  • 12 cyprus // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Aren’t refs wired up these days? But, I agree. The fourth ref could be sitting in front of a monitor, instead of killing time chatting with the coaches, and making the call immediately, to help the main ref. Also, those extra refs near the goal line are a useless luxury..

  • 13 geordiejamie89 // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Either of the two would be good, but I’d rather go for the more experienced of the two if I’m honest. He can change into DM if needed, and he’s a leading CB. Him and Coloccini at CB would be great, with Steven Taylor fighting for his place on the team. Add to that Santon at RB, and a left footed LB, perhaps Pieters, and we’d have a great defence. I think if we signed him or Douglas they’d both fit in well, Douglas is a great player, and I think as long as he puts his tempermant behind him then he’ll be great. The future is looking good in the toon.

  • 14 ArtyH // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    re @10, the way things are going its clear that the officials on the pitch are incapable of delivering a fault free service, but by no fault of their own ( hopefully ). The only real way forward is to have officials on the pitch who act on the advice of officials who instruct them via video coverage. IE officials watch the game as on Sky etc and have the luxury of an instant replay then they can INSTRUCT the ref of the correct outcome, there should be no need of error, then the ref could inform the crowd via his headset just what he has been instructed. Only to be used for contentious issues like penalties or ball over line type of situation.

  • 15 Beattie25 // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Get them both.

    They can both play cb, FB and DM

  • 16 Eyeball81 // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Dyer8…mate…curtis davies…really…not up to scratch and would be overpriced…bit of a bad boy reputation but id put a bid in for Breno..young brazilian CB from bayern I think

  • 17 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    If your asking me to choose between Alderweirld and Vertjongen then choice goes to Alderweirld~!

    Vertjongen is an up and coming talent and an established Dutch International.
    ———-Money———Good player but too expensive—-

    This means that Ajax and his agent would try to screw us with any deal made~!

    Alderweirld is younger, has came through the same youth system as Vertjongen, but is less well known and is seen as a future International ! So my preference goes to the younger of the two options~!

    I would prefer us to get to Douglas ahead of Manure~! Coz he would form a perfect partnership with Tiote with whom he played alongside at Twente in their Championship year~!

  • 18 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Apr 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    Sorry~! I,m stupid~! I meant Belgium International!

  • 19 bob // Apr 16, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Maybe its Albert just like the trophy cabinet!

  • 20 Sambo from belgium // Apr 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    @ NEWEXPATMAGPIE – Alderweireld is already international. Both are good and versatile, as Verthongen can play LB, CB, LM, DM. Alderweireled plays CB and is first choice RB for Belgium.
    I don’t think we’ll get a shot on Verthongen cuz he might be too expensive. He’s also the captain of Ajax. So i’d be happy if we’d bring in Alderweireld. Great passing, shot, tracking and potential.

  • 21 toonincheek // Apr 16, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    ArtyH – that sums it up – my feelings almost exactly.

    Except – leave the ref in control – he can decide whether or not to refer an incident for “advice”. NOT cricket style where teams can refer decisions, although maybe that could be introduced later.

    That’s pretty much the way rugby referrals work – and the system works well.

    Surely it would also defuse a situation where players get angry and surround the ref. Far more important than the few seconds taken to get an opinion from ‘above’ based on the video.
    Usually takes 20-30 seconds.

  • 22 Arsyan // Apr 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    i prefer douglas rather than this 2 belgium lads.it will be much cheaper for the magpies to buy douglas, or maybe james tomkins

  • 23 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Jan Vertonghen would be a terrific coup. He has everything (Pace, tackling, passing, attacjking). If we fail to sign him (I’m almost certain that we’ll make a bid for him), we’ll go after Toby Alderwerield. Mbiwa should also be signed. Tomkins looks dodgy. Douglas would be my 4th choice buy. Our team for next season could look like this:

    Krul

    Santon Coloccini Vertonghen Cissokho

    Ben Arfa Tiote Marvin Martin Hazard

    Cisse Ba

    Subs:

    Forster
    Mbiwa
    Saylor
    Raylor
    Hoilett
    Diame
    Rodriguez
    Giroud
    Courgnet

    We’d only have a chance of signing Hazard if we get into the champions league. If not, I’d start Marveaux on the left. He looks tremendous.

  • 24 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Forgot Cabaye. He’d either be on the bench or could be sold to fund the signing of Hazard. Man U would pay £25m+ for Cabaye.

  • 25 JBax97 // Apr 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Perhaps he was watching the right back Gregory Van der Wiel. He’s the right age at 23 and would be available for £8m at the most but probably around £5m. I would also prefer Yanga M’biwa as to Douglas as we need a pacey centre back after we saw what Johnson and Long did to Coloccini.

  • 26 geordiejamie89 // Apr 16, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    No team would pay that much for Cabaye, and Newcastle won’t be looking to sell a player they’ve just bought, and is starting every game and playing well.

  • 27 chuck // Apr 16, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    There are quite a few decent CD’s available and though we have been led to believe, we are about to sign Douglas, think i would wait untill i see him in the black &white.
    With an asking price at around 10m.plus an expressed deire to join Arsenal, doubt if we will see Vertonghen at the club, perhaps his partner though?
    Yanga M’Biwa has been watched, but again the price could mean the difference.
    Ashley’s recent big buy of Cisse should’nt be something we can expect to be repeated.
    And where’s the funding for any future buys ?
    It’s a good bet that we will possibly sell one or two of our stars.
    Possibly Tiote, plus if PSG come for Ba, he’s gone.
    If as rumored Chelsea want Tiote and make an offer in the 20m range, grab it !
    But the clubs goals are i believe, make the playoffs and do it with a bit more quality in depth.
    Hey ! i’m down with that!

  • 28 Edmond // Apr 16, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    I’m so excited for the Summer, hope MA Gives Pardrew some more money to spend than usual, we need a bigger stronger squad if we are competing in europe, then we don’t have to sign one expensive player like Hazard, we want more Quality bargains, like Douglas for example, i think we need 2 More Deffenders is Simpson doesn’t leave, then we will have a strong back four all the time, maybe 2 Midfielders, i’d like to see a good RM, and another CM, and then another Striker as a sub for Cisse/Ba , With that we will have a quality team well structured and we will have a good chance of getting Top 4! Just hope we don’t spend a lot of money and drop down to mid table!

  • 29 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    It’s still a possibility that Cabaye could leave as he has always stated his desire to play for Man United. Personally, although Man U are top, I think we have better and more promising players. They have had a poor season. The premier league is very poor at the moment. We got rid of Dietmar Hamann after one season. Anything’s possible. Centre back and left back are our main priorities, so I can see us forking out £9/10m for Vertonghen and £7m for Cissokho. I’ve heard a rumour that Vertonghen’s a Newcastle fan.

  • 30 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Apr 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    @29:

    It is really coincidental that you make comments about the quality of the Prem League~!

    I had a conversation earlier this season while watching a Newcastle game in a Pub in Nijmegen~! And we were talking about the quality of Footy in the Prem~!

    Concensus was that they thought the quality of play of the major clubs had dropped in the last few years~!

    Your right to say anything,s possible but unfortunately MONEY has totally taken over the game and how its run!
    With the likes of Chelski and Shitty + Manure~! Also Liverfool prepared to pay Mega bucks to get the players they want~!

    Its a real shame because it means that the rest don,t get a look-in when it comes to competing with the big clubs~!
    Until Shitty were taken over~! They were nothing~! Now look at them~!

  • 31 junior1 // Apr 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    In my opinion I’d go For vertonghen he seem very strong and confident at the back aint seen much of toby tbf but he seems a good player he could possibly be a better buy as he’s only just turned 23 and has time to grow into the premier league as it goes for other players newcastle should be going for aly cissokho over erik pieters in my opinion seen more of him and seems great full back and he’s french also the french players our shinning for us atm
    My team for 2012/2013
    Krul
    Santon Alderwireld Çolo Cissokho
    CheikTiote
    YohanCabaye
    BenArfa. Hoillet/Johnson
    Ba. Cisse

    Rob Elliot
    Steven Taylor
    Danny Rose
    Haris Vuckic
    Sylvain Marveaux
    Gabriel Obertan
    Bas Dost




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