Alan Pardew – Newcastle Are Trying To Emulate Stoke


Stoke City have saw their squad stretched to the limit this season, since they have played over 50 games, and by our reckoning,  twelve  of those were in the Europa League.

Are Newcastle really trying to emulate Stoke?

Newcastle will very likely be in the Europa league next season, as one of the three sides England will enter, and the Newcastle manager, Alan Pardew will be keen to have a talk with Tony Pulis about his experiences in Europe this season.

Newcastle will be both increasing the skill level and the size of their squad in the summer, but Tony may be able to give Pardew some good information from his exploits of this season in Europe.

This is what Alan Pardew told the local press today:

“Stoke are a team we’re trying to emulate,” “They got in the Europa League last year through the FA Cup, but they played in Europe on merit.”

“That affected their league position this season, and it’s something I’ll have a conversation about with Tony Pulis after the game.”

“They’ve still got great players, and we can’t underestimate them,”  “It’ll be tough. Too much focus is on their style of play, as they’ve got quality players.”

Stoke are currently 14th in the league, and have won just one of their last seven games, and they have only 2 points from their last 6 away games, so conventional wisdom would suggest that Newcastle could get their 6th win in a  row on Saturday.

But not much has been conventional with the results in the Premier League lately, and this will no doubt be another tough game for the Magpies, against a side who are always difficult to play against.

But Newcastle have had a full two weeks to get ready for this game, and we would expect they are fully prepared for the first of their last five league games of the season.

A win on Saturday would be simply terrific, and could even see Newcastle in 4th place by Saturday night.

Comments welcome.



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108 comments so far

  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #1

    Right…Getting in to the Europa and progressing to the knock outs. Let’s hope that’s the only emulating going on!

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Comment #2

    If there is one team I’d hate for us to replicate it’s Stoke.

    If we do get to Europe next year I don’t expect our league for to suffer. Not if we add and retain the quality we have.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #3

    The extra games possibly impacting on league form is my only worry with European football. But you can’t compete with the best if you don’t deal with this. I am hopeful of the management team setting us up properly. Definately don’t want to be finishing 14th next season

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Comment #4

    Beattie….But they play such attractive football – It’s like watching Barcelona at times 😉

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #5

    The problem with our English club mentality is that we see the urfa cup as a bit of a joke really. Fulham, Stoke and spuds all took the piss with the Europa leauge playing half hearted squads packed with reserves and youngsters.

    If we did that id be furios. I’d love to see us give it a go. Playing against bilbao, Valencia, sporting etc… Can improvising you as a team and that challenge and potential momentum builder can only be a positive surely?

    There is no such thing as a european hangover not if you enjoy and play every game with the same passion and commitment.

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  • bob

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #6

    They will emulate stoke by winning nowt, whats wrong with trying to emulate a team that wins cups Pardew you muppet!

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  • martoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #7

    Ibiza from last blog – I’m not sure if Perch is any taller than Simmo but just feel his heading ability is better, certainly better than Santon’s who he would be replacing.

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #8

    The only thing that I’d compare Stoke and Barcelona with is the amount of pickpockets there are in the city centre.

    I’ve got a real gut feeling that Stoke will go down next year. They’ve been found out as a hoof the ball team.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #9

    Do we know who is and is not fit?

    Guthrie & Tiote?

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  • nicktoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Comment #10

    Can anyone tell me what the sports bar seats are like at the stadium?

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Comment #11

    Beattie…Really? No such thing as a European hangover? What about exhaustion? Granted we should be able to rotate players a lot more, I would imagine the best way would be to constantly keep rotating squad in all comps. Play something like 7 established with 4 youth? Or 8 and 3. Otherwise it’ll most certainly be europe where the squad / youth players get their games. Can’t expect the best 11 to play all the games and not get knackered by the new year imo.

    It’s a wonderful problem to have though and as you say win, lose or draw they should play every game with the same passion and commitment, that after all, is all we can ask of our players

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #12

    I liken bob to piles.

    He’s a pain in the arse that gets you every time you sit down to relax.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #13

    Martoon…Ahh ok. Then no arguement here

    Beattie.. Stoke are certainly a one trick team – some much better footballers in the championship. But if they keep picking up enough points, then they deserve to stay up

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  • Andrew M

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #14

    I think that it’s almost certain that we’ll finish lower next year than we do this. The Europa league is ludicrously bloated, and the number of games would surely take its toll. It will bring in extra money, but, Ashley, rightly, will still want to balance the books. How many extra players (including wages) will prize money, gate receipts and additional commercial revenue (minus travelling expenses) would 12 Europa league games pay for? Not that many, I should imagine

    Meantime playing 12 extra games might place a hell of a toll on the team in and of itself, but worse is the additional stress of playing midweek-weekend-midweek over and over early in the season. Teams really do struggle to adjust, as we saw from Tottenham last season, who couldn’t replicate their CL qualification, despite looking good in the tournament itself. Stoke is another fine example this year.

    It’s a bit of a trap for Europa-league standard teams, frankly, and it’s endemic of the unfair nature of modern football, in my view.

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  • bob

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #15

    Pardew really has to stop setting his sights so high 1st he compared us with Port vale now he wants to emulate stoke one of the worst teams in the league.Beattie25 sit on a rubber ring!

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #16

    A lot is made of the exhaustion due to Europe but the big reams never seem to have issues.

    I mean how many times has messi and Ronaldo played this season and they always play the full 90 minutes. It’s about player care and depth but I for one can only say that professional footballers should have the ability to play twice a week with the odd week of here and there.

    I’m old fashioned though.

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  • bob

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Comment #17

    Beattie25 Yeah but can they play with piles?

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #18

    Andrew M…I completely agree up until your last point. How is it unfair? How else would you suggest it is set up?

    If you want to be the best in Europe (or in this case the second string best in Europe) then you need to be able to balance both domestic and european duties…a tough balancing act mind

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  • bob

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #19

    The best solution for NUFC is for a club down south to buy into the myth that Pardew is a good manager and offers him a job ie Spurs and Ashley hires a manager that knows how to win cups.

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  • fungus44

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #20

    metro radio on twitter saying Tim has jarred his back and is a doubt for Saturday but Pardew saying he should be ok and harper back in training

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  • Pardew's fist pump

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #21

    These words make me feel queasy.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #22

    Beattie

    We do have a few incredibly fit players in our team – it does seem fitness is something we work on a lot.

    Manchester United rotate their team in a way that I think we could emulate. No matter who Ferguson sticks in the team, they know what job they’re meant to be doing, and they do it no questions asked. We have players like Perch, Raylor & Jonas who can do that.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #23

    Beattie…If we’re discussing whether it should have an effect they i agree. With the money and technology that goes into a sport that lasts 90 minutes a game, then yes, the big girls should be able to play 2 games a week, especially for the money they’re paid.

    However, the truth would seem to be that they do struggle. Even the big teams have this problem to an extent. You’ve picked 2 players who I’d argue are the best examples of true athletes and proffesional football players. Would be wonderful if all players were as fit and ready as those 2 🙂

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Comment #24

    The Europa leauge will be an amazing adventure and if we approach it in the right way then there is no need to let the leauge position suffer.

    The problem with Fulham, Stoke, Spuds ect… Is they would have 1 team playing Thursday and 1 playing Sunday. That is moronic as the team needs to grow, especially at the start of a season. Chopping and changing is an invitation to doom. There is no reason why we can’t play 8 or 9 of the same team on a Thursday and then Sunday if we balance it out correctly! The leauge cup and early rounds of the FA cup can take a back seat. We need about 4 or 5 quality players and we can challenge on 2 fronts.

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  • tarie4

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #25

    Beattie25
    I agree…if we want to establish ourselves as a top 6 team we have to deal with the Europa.. Stoke qualified thru the FA cup, Fulham. Thru the fair play and bham thru the carling cup, the main reason British clubs dnt do well is becoz we do not put our best teams in Europa.. Any team can win the carling cup, with a lucky draw.. And most of these teams aren’t well equiped to handle Europe..
    if we keep hold of our players and add to them..we will be fine..and a top 6\7 atleast next season too…

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #26

    Add to that that some of the teams in Europe are the raucously to leauge 1 and 2 and you could say that playing Abied, Vuckic, Shola, Tavernier, Willo, Perch, Best etc…wouldn’t put our chances of victory to much in the balance?

    Wait a minute… Scrap Willo from that list and you’ll see what i mean.

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  • check the toastie

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #27

    nictoon – sportsbar seats are pretty gud, directly behind goal in leazes end, not really worth the money but if you get there early enough there are chairs and big screens which will have the Arsenal chelsea game on, not bad but prefer slumming it myself.

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #28

    Beattie and Tarie…Agreed. I do think the PL should be number 1 priority, but that doesn’t mean the other comps should be taken lightly.

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Comment #29

    Anyway what the Fcuk am I going on about the Europa
    Leauge for when it’s guaranteed we will be playing CL!!!!

    Toon Army!

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  • check the toastie

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #30

    beattie – bit harsh on Willom he has been excellent the last few games, the biy is coming back to form, confidence is growing and last couple of games has been offering for the ball off Krul, unlike Simmo and Santon, simmo especially who just turns his back and runs as far up field as possible, shirking any responsibilty at all.

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  • ash-out

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #31

    Bob, could you please answer me a question that has had me perplexed?

    Why did Sunderland take six thousand fans to Everton in the FA cup and then only take six hundred in the league game at Everton just a few weeks later?

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #33

    Ha ha check.

    I love how you protect Willo by bashing Simmo!

    I’m inclined to agree but he just hasn’t looked the part and let’s not forget he has played half the season. I hope he keeps up this form in the last 5 games as I truthfully believe he is playing for his future.

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Comment #34

    Bob can I ask you a question.

    Why have you and your fellow inbreds never been to Milan?

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  • martoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Comment #35

    Beattie & Ibiza – to add to to your EL debate – don’t forget that if we qualify in 5th place you don’t play all the early pre-qualifiers just a 2 leg play off at the start of the season in August. I think it is these early pre-qualifiers that are the real killers and why Stoke are now knackered!

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  • Londtoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Comment #36

    Ohhh, I’ve never seen a mackem in Milan.
    Oh I’ve never seen a mackem in Milan!
    Never seen a mackem, I’ve never seen a mackem.
    Oh I’ve never seen a mackem in Milan!

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  • Londtoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Comment #37

    With regards to comments the prem has to be priority and I would second that with the Europa and then 3rd should be domestic cups and the rest. If we want to up our revenues we should aim to do well in the league and do well in europe to up our exposure and potentially our fan base.

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  • nicktoon

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #38

    Check the toastie- thanks for the update. I got the tickets this
    Morning as was very little left! Looking forward to game. Travelling up from Kent!! Come on the toon!

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  • CODARM (The poster formely known as Ibizatoon)

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #39

    Martoon….As Beattie said, EL is of little interest – CL here we come 🙂

    In all seriousness though, thanks for the info, a very good point and hopefully we’ll grab at least 5th.

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  • check the toastie

    Apr 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Comment #40

    beattie – sorry for bashing simmo, not bashing in my eyes, just merely saying what i see, he is the weakest link, and soon to be goodbye, god knows what he thinks hes worth, end up playing for burnley or someone, mark my words.

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