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Hughton Delighted With Newcastle – Perch In England Squad

10:55 am, Thursday, May 31st, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 151 Comments

It seems that Chris Hughton and Alan Pardew are part of a mutual admiration society.

James Perch in action at Arsenal

They both have a lot of time for each other, and Alan Pardew went out of his way to compliment Chris, on the great building job he did at Newcastle,  before Alan took over the reigns about eighteen months ago.

Chris Hughton is a class act, we all know that, and he had some good words to say about both Alan Pardew and Newcastle today in the local press:

“There’s no doubt that he has done a marvellous job and is a very, very good manager.” “I’m absolutely delighted at what Newcastle have achieved this season and I have to say that Alan has done really, really well.”

“I was very pleased at what he said about me and he was the right choice for manager of the year.” “He has led Newcastle back into Europe which is where they deserve to be, in my opinion.”

“What he has done really well is get the mix right and it is an outstanding achievement to get into the Europa League.” “The team now has a really balanced look because you have Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse up front.”

“And those new signings have integrated so well with the rest of the group. And then he has got others playing very well.”  “James Perch was one that we signed, but he has been fantastic this season.”

And Chris is so right about the season James Perch had at Newcastle, when this year he has looked a very good player indeed in the black and white shirt.

And my son Neil has been telling me,  he thinks James could become a great player now at Newcastle – but let’s not get too carried away. 😀

Reader Douglas Berkley alerted me to this piece  yesterday, where a new web application Squaka has rated English players over the season,  and has listed the 23 man squad they would have selected – with their highest rated players.

And James Perch is the big surprise who is in the squad in defense – with most of the othercurrent  England players in their squad of 23.

Here’s their squad:


Joe Hart (Manchester City)
Ben Foster (West Brom)
John Ruddy (Norwich City)


Joleon Lescott (Manchester City)
John Terry (Chelsea)
Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United)
Ledley King (Tottenham)
James Perch (Newcastle United)
Phil Jones (Manchester United)
Ashley Cole (Chelsea).


Michael Carrick (Manchester United)
Leon Britton (Swansea)
Scott Parker (Tottenham)
Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
Ashley Young (Manchester United)
Adam Johnson (Manchester City)
Aaron Lennon (Tottenham)
Nathan Dyer (Swansea)
James Milner (Manchester City).


Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)
Wayne Rooney (Manchester United)
Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)
Scott Sinclair (Swansea)

That’s just unbelievable, and we wonder what James would look like in white?

Tags: Coaching · James Perch · Newcastle News

151 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // May 31, 2012 at 10:56 AM


    Blackburn owners have hired a guy who works a s a pundit in asia. so he hadd vested interest in Rovers’s game when they were televised.

    He said “hoilett ony plays hen the ball is at his feet, else useless” so unless can do his magic, take a different route

  • 2 johng81 // May 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    almost got there first sad a know

  • 3 only magpie of nepal // May 31, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Wow, player signed for less than 1 million could be the future England star.

  • 4 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM


    I’m not trying to say he’s the worlds greatest player but I am saying he has bags of potential and we could turn him into an even better player.

    Hoilett is good but could be unbelievable!

    Try to defy my will

  • 5 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Perch can’t play for England ad he is Brazilian

  • 6 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    I would probably prefer that team to the one we have going to the Euro’s at the moment!

    It seems as though we pick players based on reputation, instead of actually watching the players play.

  • 7 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    Does anyone else think modern football is travesty.

    Not only do the netter players get paiched but now even managers who have only proven themselves over a few seasons get handed big jobs and are stolen from small clubs.

    The safety of Norwich and Swansea has been placed on a knife edge due to this and it makes you think that the top clubs will monopolise football.

    Anyway what do I care? We are a top club again!!

  • 8 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    HBA had the same attitude Indian its all about growing up and developing the right sttitude to the game. If hoillet played LW for us in a 433 he would be immense its that simple.

  • 9 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Dammit! I actually thought this was real news! I was telling people for weeks that perch and Britton should have had a shot at the England squad given their appearances and got laughed at. When I saw the headline I thought I was gonna have some massives ‘hAAAAAAS’ to say in peoples faces.

  • 10 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    i like the fact that the big clubs are giving young relatively unproven managers a crack at the top. Thats what a managers career consists of building up good reps so they can move on and manage a better club.

  • 11 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    And looking over that list I would definitely have that over the existing one.

    Not Ferdinand or king – baines and Cahill instead.

  • 12 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Fatman i am afraid i willl have to side with the people laughing at you. Perch for England LMAO.

  • 13 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Anybody else see that Chevrolet have become the ‘official’ car for man utd?

    It’s funny seeing all the big teams find new ways of getting massive sponsorship so that they can fall in line with the financial fair play rules.

    I tell you, it’s not going to make one bit of difference to the massive clubs spending copious amounts of money!!

  • 14 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    Nufc 83

    I don’t see why. Imagine this scenario. England are 2-0 up with twenty minutes to go (that you can laugh at) who would you rather come on to run the clock down. Someone who is tireless. Can tackle. Someone who knows cabaye well from training with him all season. Someone who would put himself about.

    Or someone like downing. After this season who deserves it more.

  • 15 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Lol no it wont as the likes of ETIHAD will sponsor City for 300M if thats what they intend to spend.

  • 16 thebionicMAG // May 31, 2012 at 11:26 AM


    You are like marmite, we either love your posts or hate them. I for one can’t get enough.
    “Perch can’t play for England ad he is Brazilian”


  • 17 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    fatman that situation does not apply as you would not bring downing on to protect the lead the likes of Phil Jones would be brought on in that case.

  • 18 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Or Parker but guessing he may start.

  • 19 jayphoto // May 31, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    lol i love perch, but hes not an international player! would do well for wales maybe or northern ireland! The players i think should have gone to poland/ukraine were Forster, Richards and Joe Cole (great season in france)
    Think carroll might take the tournament by storm! Henderson is another 1 that could surprise people! wouldn’t have taken downing myself though!

  • 20 UTD111 // May 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Presumably this software didn’t cover english players who play abroad – like Fraser Forster at Celtic.

  • 21 jakesome // May 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    what a class act houghton is. no bitterness at all

  • 22 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    I think that Micah Richards not going is a travesty best RB in the league imo.

  • 23 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Jay – I can see people’s objections but I actually would have prepared a bit of audacity, a bit of bravery and thinking outside the box from a new manager. Cappello had ages to experiment, as did previous managers but they have always gone safe. Always picked your international players..

    Where’s that got us?

    It’s time for reality. We’re almost certainly not going to win the euros. We’re unlikely to get out of the group.

    But I would have liked some bollocks for a change. A statement that the international players won’t always get their places. They actually have to play for it.

  • 24 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Meh, Micah Richards wasn’t playing enough. Kyle Walker is better than him and i’d say Phil Jones is.

    Glen Johnson going, confuses the shit out of me! I’d definitely take him over Johnson.

  • 25 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:39 AM


    Thats exactly what i’m thinking. We’re not going to win the Euro’s with basically the same team we had at the World Cup, so why not mix it up a bit.

    We have a shortage of technical players, so what do we do? Leave them out of the squad…

  • 26 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Phil Jones is nowhere near micah richards imo as for walker it would be a close call. I believe he played 38 games this season so how is that not enough?

  • 27 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    On tw previous article I commented about messi and hoilett. Do people here read anything or just make comments without actually thinking about what others say.

    I clearly said messi was a total different class to hoilett but messi never dominated til he was 21. He did well and looked gold doing some things but often wasted the ball and frustrated his team.

    The past 3 years messi has been fantastic and turned from a very talented player to world class. He never scored anywhere near the amount he does now at 17/18.

    Hoilett is not in the same league but he does have some great skills and a good shot. He just needs to be given time to develop with a food squad around him. And Blackburn he wit have had the passes to the same quality as what cabaye and Ben arfa can provide him. And he won’t have the runs being made like cisse and ba will. He will only improve at Newcastle and therefore must be worth a bid when he is on a free.

    If he was as bad as some think why would he be linked with arsenal, spurs and Bayern. I know it’s only paper talk but if he was as poor as some say he would be linked with teams like reading, Norwich, Swansea etc.

  • 28 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    So if you dont pick these international players who will you take. Perch as said which is a joke- what other options have you got???

  • 29 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    I like Richards and don’t like to see him wasting on the bench.

    Would happily have him here

  • 30 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    He was dropped at the end of the season for Zabaletta and you could argue Jones, Perch and even Ryan Taylor are better defensively than Richards.

  • 31 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    I think Roy has picked a squad which has played in the qualifiers. I’d he chucked in a lot of new players now he wouldn’t have the time to get then to gel.

    I think Roy has made the best of a bad situation. He will try and pick a consistent team, get them organised and try to grind out wins like Chelsea did in the champions league.

    Roy should be judged on his squad for the work cup qualifiers. That is when he will shape his own England team. Take the older players who have a good euros and mix them with the younger, talented players comin through.

  • 32 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    WOW Ryan taylor and Jonas better defensively than Richards please some people on here make me laugh so hard.

  • 33 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Phil Jones, not Jonas…

    And yes, Richards has very poor positioning, if you think he’s a great defender you’re wrong.

  • 34 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM


    I can see why but the FA have already said they’re backing him to the world cup and expectations actually aren’t there for once.. I see it as a missed opportunity is all.

  • 35 Indian Magpie // May 31, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Nufc 83

    It makes you laugh, it makes me cry. same sentiments though

  • 36 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    The only negative comment I have read about Richards is from Capello and mancini who say he struggles to follow tactical plans.

    He can defend and attack very well but if he can’t follow plans it could disrupt the shape of a team. He would be fine in a team like spurs or barca

  • 37 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    The only negative comment I have read about Richards is from Capello and mancini who say he struggles to follow tactical plans.

    He can defend and attack very well but if he can’t follow plans it could disrupt the shape of a team. He would be fine in a team like spurs or barca who look to attack but teams like man city or England (definitely in this tournament) who will look to be solid and compact that could be a liability.

  • 38 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Ah ok Jones yes i would say you are correct he probably is a better defender than richards as his real position is a Cb i would expect that. Raylor is still laughable though as he is a shocking defender. Richards is strong unbeatable in the air and very quick. I agree he gets caught out of position but i think a large part of that is he bombs down the right and can leave the team a little exposed a little like santon.

  • 39 Colo-Sus // May 31, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    The articles are really boring at the minute, not your fault though Ed just quiet on the toon front

  • 40 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    I’ve got a mental image of people sitting in front of their screen laughing aloud and crying and showing a whole array of emotions because some stranger on the other side of the world disagreed with them over an England team selection.

    Seems like strange behaviour.

  • 41 Indian Magpie // May 31, 2012 at 11:54 AM

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  • 42 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Comments of the day on this blog so far;

    Obertan is better than Hoillett
    Perch for England
    Raylor a better RB (defensively) than micah richards

  • 43 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 11:55 AM


    I know what you mean and think players like walker and Wilshire would be there if not for injuries.

    But you have to think we can’t send a totally new squad, with little experience as they could be blown away by more experience sides. That would do no good either.

    Also the FA might not expect much but you know the media would call for Roy’s head if he took a young side and they lost in the groups. At least this way if they lose a lot of the disappointment will be directed at the so called “golden generation”

  • 44 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // May 31, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Affelay for 6mill. Hmm. Maybe.

    However one thing I noticed in the article was the author’s clear lack of knowledge.

    “The Magpies have around £20 million to spend this summer, and could easily afford the £6 million asking price, plus healthy wages of around £80,000-a-week. ”

    Um no. The club wouldn’t even consider offering him that much money.

  • 45 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    My England team?

    Joe Hart
    John Ruddy
    Fraser Forster

    James Perch
    Phil Jones
    Gary Cahill
    Joleon Lescott
    Phil Jagielka
    Leighton Baines
    Ashley Cole

    Adam Johnson
    Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
    Ashley Young
    Nathan Dyer
    Michael Carrick
    Leon Britton
    Scott Parker
    Paul Scholes

    Wayne Rooney
    Danny Welbeck
    Daniel Sturridge
    Danny Graham

  • 46 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    Nufc 83

    I bet you’re laughing so hard into your screen now over people’s blatant STUPIDITY!

  • 47 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Rich. Yeah probably right. Shame they’re injured.

    Just fed up with getting disappointed year after year with same players and promises

  • 48 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    I am still waiting for the suggestions of this fresh England squad that never got a chance. What players are we talking about: A Johnson and Lennon are two who could have gone but who are the others that people would have picked intsed of the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Terry etc.

  • 49 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Lampard deserved to go and between Terry and ferdinand I’d rather have the former.

    Question marks over gerrard though. Not sure what he’s done – apart from destroying us – to deserve a place. Downing. Milner. Henderson. Walcott can probably count himself lucky too through inconsistency. But rich is right that a complete overhaul would be drastic.

  • 50 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Ok Fatman- forster well tbh i have not seen enough of him to comment if he is better than ruddy and i dont really rate Green that highly so cant argue much with the GK’s.

    Perch well i have already made my feelings on that clear and jags instead of Terry meh i would probably still go with Terry but i wouldnts say Jags is anything new to the squad.

    Scholes retired- Graham over carrol not a chance -dyer over walcott not a chance and brition over milner probably not either.

  • 51 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    Starting team of:

    GK – Joe Hart
    RB – Phil Jones
    CB – Gary Cahill
    CB – Phil Jagielka
    LB – Ashley Cole
    RM – Ashley Young
    CM – Paul Scholes
    CM – Scott Parker
    LM – Adam Johnson
    CF – Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
    ST – Danny Welbeck

  • 52 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Lampard injured and Carrick overlooked for Jordan Henderson, total joke really that Carrick is currently behind Lampard, Barry and Henderson, the lad is miles in front in terms of ability, especially in international football, Personally wud have played a midfield 3 of Parker, Carrick and Gerrard, allowing Gerrard to bomb on,

    I would like to know what Henderson actually brings to a top level game of football. sh1t all year for me.

  • 53 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Sorry i meant to say Nottsgeordie who put that squad up not fatman.

  • 54 jayphoto // May 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    players I would have liked to see tried for england:
    Forster and Hooper from celtic
    Kelly and JonJo Shelvey from Liverpool, always thought shelvey looked their better player when he played!
    Jack Rodwell from everton
    Livermore had a good season at spurs
    Glad welbeck got a call up, he looks a player!
    Mancienne looked good at hamburg
    Joe cole has had a season to remember at lille also! Think we should have used the euro’s has a chance to blood younger players with potential! germany did it a couple years back and have reaped the rewards!

  • 55 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    I’m sure scholes said he was available for selection. Carsick has been great this season and it’s a shame about Barry. They’re the old guard that could/ should have gone.

  • 56 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Agreed check henderson is a poor choice and would much rather Carrick.

  • 57 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:09 PM


    I wasn’t sure about Scholes. I read this so I thought he was available…

    Have you actually watched Andy Carroll play this season? He’s everything that is wrong with football. Football should be played on the ground and when the ball is on the ground Carroll basically a Championship striker. His touch is poor, his finishing is average, he can’t pass and has no vision.

    Graham played in a International styled team last year, is a great finisher, scored twice the amount of goals as Carroll and is just better.

  • 58 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:09 PM


    Your point is spot on. There are young players like sturridge, caulker, Kelly, etc but they are young and their flaws have been shown. There is no point putting young players in of they are not ready.

    I have played in young teams in other sports and while we had potential we lacked experience and would lose a lot of games. It disheartens players if they lose too many games.

    I think you can’t put a young player in if he isn’t ready, does the player and the team no good.

  • 59 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Kelly over richards, Johnson and Jones not a chance.
    Shelvey not even getting into that one.

  • 60 IPToon // May 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Younger England squad for the World Cup, just waiting for somebody to come through and take the ? space

    ————————– Hart ————————-
    Walker —– Smalling — Jones ——– Baines
    —————– Oxlade —- Wilshere ————-
    Walcott —————- ? —————- Sturridge
    ———————— Rooney ———————-

    Before someone says it, I prefer Oxlade in the middle alright!!! and im aware Walcott could easily be replaced with Lennon, Johnson or Young.

  • 61 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    And Germany didn’t put in players who showed a bit of promise and had a handful of good games, they picked players who had an impressive full season in the bundesliga.


  • 62 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:14 PM


    What is the point of having Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Terry, Ferdinand etc etc in the squad if we aren’t going to win it?

    We have NO chance of winning it, so why not try something new?

    If we take the old players nothing will change and we’ll either be out in the group stages or the quarter finals. If we take the young players (like Germany did in 2010) they could liven it up, play without fear and maybe get further.

    It just makes no sense to leave young players out, because they have little experience.

  • 63 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    And Germany didn’t put in players who showed a bit of promise and had a handful of good games, they picked players who had an impressive full season in the bundesliga.

    Goetze, muller, etc all had solid seasons and not just good cameos like Livermore, shelvey and other players mentioned.

    The fact is we are not blessed with a lot of good telnet coming through, we don’t have any young players who are commanding a place on the national side, there are no young lads who look like they should displace the current crop we have.

  • 64 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM


    You have the right idea! We should be building for the future. Our present is terrible and there is no point waiting for the terrible to retire before we put in the promising.

  • 65 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    My team would be the one above altho I know foster has retired.

    In defence I would take out ferdinand, king and jones and put in Cahill, jagielka and Richards.

    In midfield take out Milner and put in scholes.

    That would be my squad. Possibly take out dyer and put in holt.

  • 66 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Also IP…

    I think maybe we could move Rooney back into the hole and put Welbeck in the lone striker role. That could work as well.

  • 67 lesh // May 31, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Perch’s call up to the England squad’ll surely stimulate interest from Spurs (of course) and the bin-dippers!

  • 68 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:21 PM


    The thing is you need the right balance, can’t take just a team of youngsters. It won’t work.

    And I don’t think we will win it but like I said earlier….Roy will try and get this squad to be solid and compact like Chelsea were against barca and Bayern then nick the win.

    If we take young or old we won’t outplay the top sides. At least with older players they have played together before and will hopefully fit into a defensive tactic which might help us grind out a win like we did in the friendly with Spain….not a great watch but effective.

  • 69 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    And as for Forster and hooper…..Forster could not get into our side, looked out of his depth when given a go.

    Hooper I am a fan of but he has been playing in a league where most teams are league 1 standard at best. I would like to see hopper in the prem, maybe with us, and judge him after that.

  • 70 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Carrick isn’t going as he refused the callup. He wanted a guarenteed starting place and so refused when he found out this wasn’t the case. Also, the furore about Butland was down to Foster refusing to come out of international retirement. I think it’s good Butland is going for the experience though.

    I’d start this team against France:

    Johnson/ Cahill/ Terry/ Cole
    Gerrard/ Parker
    Walcott/ Oxlade-Chamberlain/ Young

    After seeing Evra/Mexes’ performances recently Walcott and Carroll could have a field day against them

  • 71 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:28 PM


    I understand that, but i’m not saying we should take a team of youngsters, we should take the players that will be playing at the 2014 world cup. Building for the future.

    And i’d say we should be starting our possible team for the 2014 world cup, so they can get used to playing with eachother and going to tournaments together.

    Roy basically had a pass at this tournament. He wouldn’t have been blamed if we did bad, so why take the older players, which would help him in no way for when he’s properly judged in 2014.

  • 72 XtraTimeAndPens // May 31, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Nice to hear Chris Hughton singing the praises of Pardew. Both have done a great job in getting us back where we belong. As for Perch, as much as I love him, I don’t think he’ll be joining up with the England squad anytime soon! If Downing can get in the squad then anything is possible. He’s been one of our best performers this season though. His block against Chelsea(?) about 5 seconds after coming on showed exactly what he’s about.

  • 73 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM


    I know what you mean but can you honestly say there are young players not selected who would make a big difference? I just look as think they have some talent but aren’t ready yet. They can come into the side for qualifying and will have 2 seasons of top football before the next tournament which will also help.

    And I know what you say about no expectations on this tournament, you, me, the FA and a lot fans won’t be worried by a bad showing but all the media who disnt want Roy to start with will crucify him for weeks in the papers for it and start calling for Harry again.

    Roy has to be smart and take a side he thinks can get to quarter finals to appease the media. Shame how it works but that’s the world these days.

  • 74 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    I think if anything people would be more understanding if it went t**s up if Hodgson had of took a young team to build for 2014.

    Walker/ Smalling/ Jones/ Bertrand
    Rodwell/ Wilshere
    Walcott/ Young/ Sturridge

    Can see the team looking something like that in 2014, although 2 years isn’t far away wouldn’t surprise me if some of the old guard were still knocking about

  • 75 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Why are people writing off a cole and Cahill for 2014. They aren’t that old and have both had great seasons. Just because younger players are there doesn’t make them an automatically better choice

  • 76 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:41 PM


    The furthest our ageing, experienced team will go is second in the group stages and getting heavily beat by Spain in the quarter finals. And the more likely scenario IMO is not even making it out the group (Sweden and France are better than us).

    If we take a young team and get battered by Spain, or don’t make it into the knock-out rounds, I don’t think as much people will be complaining.

  • 77 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    Both brilliant players. Would be massively surprised of theyre not going to the world cup.

  • 78 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    I think it’s more that people expect Smalling and Jones to be Man U’s starting centre backs, not that people expect Cahill to not be any good in two years.

  • 79 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    I hope for the sake of competition that jones and smalling really improve. Haven’t seen anything yet that suggests they’re going to be first choice for united and England.

  • 80 jayphoto // May 31, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    honestly think hodgson will take us to the semi finals! Playing awful, boring football, but winning football! Hes a manager suited to europe and international football! France will implode as they always do and I fancy us to beat Ukraine and Sweden!

  • 81 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    I rate him and hope you’re right. But I think France are going to give us a torrid time.

  • 82 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    I think France have better players but are they a better team? They walked out of the world cup practically. But I stilly hunk they will win the group.

    And Sweden are not better. Only have one player who would get in our team, ibrahimovich.

    Sweden and Ukraine won’t be easy but we should win them games

  • 83 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    yeah like i said i think some of the old guard would still be there (wasn’t sure how old cahill and cole are)

    i read france have only sold 26 tickets for the game against england and england only 3,000. i always love to see atmosphere in the stadiums of these big tournaments but it seems all the build up to poland/ukraine is negative

  • 84 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    What about thomas brolin?

    Brilliant player. Could out eat any of our players.

  • 85 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    definitely think we can beat sweden and get a draw from france. ukraine worry me as they’re the hosts and if they create anything like the atmosphere when we played their for the WC2010 qualifier they could be dangerous

  • 86 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    France will explode like they always do?

    2004 – Quarter Final – Same as England
    2006 – Final – Further than England
    2008 – Quarter Final – We didn’t qualify…
    2010 – Group Stages – Not as far as England

    Yep, France ALWAYS implode!

    If you actually watch them play, they are a MILE better than us! I watched the Iceland game, they dominated Iceland throughout the game.

    In an England/France team, we’d probably get 1 player into their staring 11. (Hart)

    Their team is just better.

  • 87 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Agree with Rich i dont believe we will win it but Roy will still want a good showing in his first major competition as manager and so will not take a load of inexperienced youngsters who have not performed to a good standard themselves. Roy has selected his best team and then added a few youngsters in who deserve it aka oxe and thats the correct way of doing things unless you suddenly had a high level of top youngsters coming through who have made a huge impact on the season which we have not.

  • 88 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Sorry, how did oxe deserve to go? Which stand out performances?

  • 89 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Notts-ashley cole is better than Evra imo and also Terry lescott are better than any of their CB’s. Rooney would also get in any international teams starting 11.

  • 90 jayphoto // May 31, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    @nottsgeordie – Im france based alot of the year round and its well known there that the team has too many characters that cause problems! When the pressures on they turn on each other! players like ribery, nasri, evra only think of themselves, they dont care about the national team enough! in 2008 they might have got to the quarter finals but they were poor in every game and had a team that should have won the whole thing! same in 2010, the players available to them mean they should be at least semi finalists in every competition!

  • 91 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    I don’t think we will win a major tourament in the next 10 years. I am glad the FA are finally doing what England have done in other sports and looking at why other countries produce technically better players and are finding ways to improve.

    England do not produce technically good footballers. The new smaller pitches for kids is perfect as big pitches and goals favour kids of are big for their age. That might work in youth football but not at senior level.

    Over the next ten years I hope to see significant improvement in the academy system and hope we can start producing players like xavi, Robben, Ben arfa, nasri.

    The only player that has managed to make it in that style is Scholes. He is rated highly by xavi and iniesta, but I can’t think of any English lads who were as good as him in his prime.

  • 92 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Oxe was constantly praised for the impact he had on games towards the end of the season he deserves to go for the exact reasons everyone is asking for a fresh team of players. He has the highest potential and will gain a massive amount of experience.

  • 93 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Oh yeah sorry forgot about Ashley Cole.

    I disagree on the centreback point. Adil Rami is one of the best defenders in the world and i’d say it’s close between Mexes and Cahill. Terry is pretty useless though.

  • 94 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Probably praised by the same pundits who said Walcott would one day be a world superstar.

    You can’t say England shouldn’t take inexperienced youngsters who dont deserve to go and then cite oxe as one who should.

    He’s looked promising and the few appearances I’ve seen he looks okay but there’s other players who have been much better and been completely overlooked.

  • 95 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 1:16 PM


    Who exactly? Johnson should have gone in the place of Downing, but no one else springs to mind.

    Chamberlain has been better than Walcott, Downing and Milner this year.

  • 96 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Ox has been great for arsenal. Looked compose on the ball, spots a pass and plays fr team by working hard.

    Players like sturridge might have a few more goals but offer nothing else, don’t track back, don’t pass, just thinks of himself. Name another young player who shows more than ox.

  • 97 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    I’ve already named my team. And I didn’t say there are young players who deserve to go; just that I think oxe is an odd choice of player to state who definitely deserves to go.

    But I’m not overly bothered to be honest. He’s hardly going to get any game time if our key players stay fit so the experience will be good for him. There’s other senior players who are wasting positions in the squad.

    But this conversation is going back and forth and no one is really making any head way. Like I said on merson’s page. Everyone has a different opinion and no one is going to agree 100% with anybody else.

  • 98 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Think Young Sammy might be up for England in a couple of years, the new Chrissy Waddle i tell you.

  • 99 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM


  • 100 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    If Danny Guthrie had played more last season I think he should have been considered!

    He outplayed Cabaye at times and I thought he should have been playing alongside Tiote and Cabaye in our 4-3-3

  • 101 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    I dont think Guthrie could play more. He looked great for an hour then looked knackered. I personally think he’s making a big mistake moving On. It’s going to expose the fact that he isn’t particularly fit. At least playing a squad role here he looks good and plays an important role.

  • 102 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    anyone think demba ba will stay?
    think he’ll move on…more money and all that

  • 103 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM


  • 104 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    I am not a fan of guthrie.

    His passing is ok, bit sloppy at times and tries too much.

    Also he is no where near the level of fitness he should be at…to me this shows a player who doesn’t train hard and look after himself…with the resources the club have and the level of fitness in other players he has no excuse.

    And I think Ba is gone unless he gets a very good offer to stay (which i can’t see). Ba has always moved from club to club.

    He went on strike at Hoffenheim so hardly a loyal player. He left west ham as he knew he could get a better offer somewhere. If he was loyal and wanted to stay he wouldn’t keep getting release clauses in all his contracts.

  • 105 NottsGeordie // May 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    I definitely think Ba will move, but if we bring in someone like Hoilett in to replace him, i’ll be more than happy!

  • 106 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Still remember ba shoving pardew away when he got subbed. There was Ben arfa laughing and joking on the bench with others and ba sulking. I’m not sure in want a player here who demonstrates that level of petulance and selfishness.

    If he stays then he has to learn that pardew is building a team not demba ba and ten other supporting acts.

  • 107 nufc90 // May 31, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    yeah his agents obviously have a negative interest as they get a big pay day. but through his career he’s been disloyal like you say. i wouldn’t be too fussed if we got a decent replacement (luuk de jong or someone of similar potential)

  • 108 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    By the looks of things Ba will be a 100% gone. I cant believe we actually signed a player who asked to have a transfer period and a 7m release clause in his contract. Not only the clause the fact that half the 7mill will go to Ba and his agents its totally agaianst all the principles we operate currenlty and i dont see how MA agreed to it.

  • 109 jesperfuglsang // May 31, 2012 at 2:51 PM


    Yep, I think Ba will stay; I can only see him leaving if his money grabbing agent and NUFC are very far when it comes to contract renegociating.

    I think he is happy here and I think NUFC lives up too his football expectations 🙂

  • 110 jesperfuglsang // May 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Should have said far from each other 🙂

  • 111 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    I think Ba is annoyed he is no longer the “only” option up front. He had no real competition for his place and our play was centred round him.

    No he has to compete with Cisse and Ben Arfa to be the start of the team and I personally don’t think he likes that.

    I can see him leaving and heading to somewhere like Spurs if they don’t get Adebeyor although they don’t pay silly wages either so he wont get much more money.


    I think Ashley only agreed as it was probably the only offer Ba would accept. He knew we could get Cisse as they said they wanted 13/15mil for him at the start of the season and any other replacement as good as Ba would be around the 10 mil mark.

    I think Ashley and Pards signed him only to get us by until Cisse was available as Pards has said Cisse was his target since Carroll left.

    The goals he got were probably more than anyone thought but he wasn’t the main choice. Now we have Cisse I can see him leaving. We haven’t lost any money on him so no harm done. He helped get us where we are so he leaves with everyone’s blessing really. Then we continue the plan to bring in another top striker and a young, hungry one.

  • 112 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    I actually dont think he is happy since Cisse has arrived he has looked anything other than happy.

  • 113 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Trust me when I say that there is than meets the eye regarding Ba’s clause.

    If anyone really thinks it 7 million then I think your wrong. It’ll be an initial 7 million and then extras here and there etc..

    MA isn’t that daft!

    Either way it’s good for nufc and that’s all that matters!!

  • 114 rich_toonfan // May 31, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    I want to add….obviously Pardew will probably want to keep him (as do I) but if he goes we havent lost anything so we can bring in a new striker anyway.

  • 115 Nufc-83 // May 31, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Seems like a risky tactic if that was the case Rich.

  • 116 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Bramble is innocent.

  • 117 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    The release clause is a blessing.

    On the one hand if Ba leaves we knew what he was all along, just another mercenary after a pay day. Well rid if that’s the case.

    On the other hand if he stays he shows us that he Is dedicated to helping nufc improve and continue to challenge. He shows us he wants to be here once and for all.


    I love me

  • 118 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    What sorcery is this?

  • 119 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Beattie’s cleared the Blog……………..Again……………….

  • 120 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Beattie the Bloginator…..

  • 121 davybtoon // May 31, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Honestly couldn’t care less if ba stays or goes if he goes it’s greed simple as if he stays great, but hoillet or someone similar would b jus as good gamerio, de Jong anyone

  • 122 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    As soon as people see my name they flee in terror and the prospect of my high intellect.

    I am like a tyranasour for I am king and all before me tremble at the thought of their peril.

  • 123 Beattie25 // May 31, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    One does not simply walk into mordor

  • 124 Colo-Sus // May 31, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Id have this guy like

  • 125 Colo-Sus // May 31, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    Wind your neck in Beattie

  • 126 mondziu // May 31, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    As there appears to be no topics for discussion at the moment, so let me drop a bombshell right in the middle of it.

    Deloitte’s Annual Review of Football Finance:,%20badania,%20rankingi/pl_ARFF_2012_Foreword.pdf,%20badania,%20rankingi/pl_ARFF_2012%20Highlights.pdf

    Are you not entertained?!

  • 127 mondziu // May 31, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    As my previous post is awaiting moderation probably due to a high number of links, i’ll post it again i 3 parts.

    There appears to be no topic for discussion at the moment, so let me drop a bombshell right in the middle of it.

    Deloitte’s Annual Review of Football Finance:,%20badania,%20rankingi/pl_ARFF_2012_Foreword.pdf

  • 128 mondziu // May 31, 2012 at 3:49 PM,%20badania,%20rankingi/pl_ARFF_2012%20Highlights.pdf

  • 129 mondziu // May 31, 2012 at 3:49 PM

  • 130 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    If Beattie was made of chocolate he would eat himself.

  • 131 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Perch had his break out season this year no doubt. The guy is good to have as a utility player as well as keeping a n English contingent within our team

  • 132 Beardo // May 31, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Is Ibizatoon here? Is it clear to come on?

  • 133 mondziu // May 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Jump right in, Beardo. We desperately need some strong statements with precious little justification.

  • 134 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:03 PM


  • 135 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    I be its drew beardsley. Peters worthless waste of a son

  • 136 Beardo // May 31, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Perch had his break out season this year no doubt. The guy is good to have as a utility player as well as keeping a n English contingent within our team

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN! Nobody has said that before, you’re a genius – what a eureka moment!

  • 137 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    Thanks beardo i really feel gratified at you replying. Especially as you make so many worthwhile statements yourself.

  • 138 lukes26 // May 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    On Ba transferring:

    The best way of gauging whether a player is going to transfer to a given club is by looking at the odds makers from the gambling sites.

    RVP is 6/4 to join Man City…. Ba is 4/1 to join Tottenham (the only team that I think that would actually move for him) If Ba gets a good offer for salary from a ‘bigger’ club, he’s gone. But I doubt any of the bigger teams want him. Tottenham might if theyre unable to sign their other targets (remy etc.) he’s a cheaper substitute for adebeyor

  • 139 check the toastie // May 31, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Arguments and bitterness towards each other is what makes this blog worth visiting, keep it going lads.

  • 140 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    *gets back under rock* sorry check. Normal service will resume

  • 141 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    @Luke yeah i think if ba moves its likely to be spurs. Only 2 questions will he actually go there and will they allow him to bypass the medical if he fails?

  • 142 JAMSHA // May 31, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    Roma are being linked with a bid for
    Newcastle United full-back Davide Santon .
    The 21-year-old was a target for the Serie
    A side last summer prior to his move to
    Newcastle from Inter Milan in a deal worth
    £5million. Now, Corriere dello Sport in Italy
    claims the youngster could yet be on his
    way back to Italy.

    bullshit y would he go back hahaha he loves the toon

  • 143 FatmanJoe // May 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Beattie came on here, didn’t get a reaction from anybody so his weirder alter ego starts a fight from nothing.

  • 144 JAMSHA // May 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Roma are prepared to offer the same
    amount of money in order to tempt Santon
    back to his homeland. However, Santon
    has hinted that he sees his future with
    “In theory I should not move from
    Newcastle. I have four more years left on
    my contract.
    “I ended the season as a starter next
    season and there is also the Europa
    League to play for.”

  • 145 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Lol. Even the Italian press are clutching at straws

  • 146 graham cwarr // May 31, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    @fatmanjoe in all fairness i might have provoked beardo a bit. My bad stooping to that level.

  • 147 nufc786 // May 31, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    buzzing for perchyinooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • 148 thepict // May 31, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Absolutely brilliant that James has been named in England squad. Many congratulations to him

  • 149 Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) // May 31, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Misleading title Ed: I thought England would win something for a second

  • 150 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // May 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Ermmm…Perch hasn’t actually made the England squad. Just based on a web applications use of “Stats” he should be in the squad.

    Still, good on the lad. From being the most dreaded substitute at the club to Perchinho the statistically sound English international 🙂

  • 151 nufc786 // May 31, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i see statistcs………………………………… damn

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