Newcastle And England – Why Do They Never Win Anything?

Was I the only one who thought it was very hard to watch last night’s England game against Italy, where it seemed that England were very much second best.

Alan Pardew – this is the man that can get Newcastle a trophy

We suppose that Roy Hodgson had little alternative with so many good players missing, to play the defensive type of game he had England play, and Wayne Rooney obviously was short of match practice, and we had some good players missing from the squad through injury.

And to be fair,  everything in that sense worked a treat, because England got to the penalty shoot-out stage, and were leading 2-1 after the first two rounds, and if we had scored the next three penalties we would have won the game.

That’s not to say we deserved to win the game, because we didn’t, and Italy were by far the better side, but it wasn’t England’s fault that Italy kept missing some gilt edged chances.

When I was a young lad,  things looked great for England and Newcastle, and before 1970 rolled around,  England were the reigning World Champions, having smashed West Germany 4-2 in the final in 1966 after extra time, and of course Newcastle had won the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in 1969.

So everything was looking good, and if somebody had told me then, that neither Newcastle nor England would win anything over the next 42 years,  I would have asked them what they had been smoking.

 Neville and Hodgson console Cole and Young after England’s exit

And to be fair to manager Roy Hodgson – he has done well since he took over in early May, and let’s face it,  only England could get themselves into a situation where they were without a manager earlier this year,  before a major Championship.

It’s s not that Roy had much luck with injuries either, but he did what a good coach does, he fostered great team spirit within the camp, had England very well organized, especially at the back,  and brought the best out of  the players he had.

The England defense last night was outstanding,  they were the heroes, and who would have thought that  Glen Johnson would look as good as he did in the tournament, and Joe Hart is on his way to becoming one of the best goalkeepers in the world.

Jolean Lescott looked the part too for a stand-in, as did John Terry, who was under significant pressure because of his racial trial coming up,  and he at least showed what a great professional he is, and gave some stellar performances for England.

And Steven Gerrard is the right player to captain England, because his leadership skills come to the fore when he’s the captain, so all in all, England have a promising future,  and maybe we’ll do well in Brazil in two years time – maybe.

And Newcastle have their best side for at least eight years, and have an excellent manager in Alan Pardew.

So although time may be running out for some of us older fans, who were around when Newcastle and England were actually winning things, we still have hope that Newcastle can win something very soon, and maybe England can too.

But Newcastle have a good chance of winning something in the next two years – we hope Newcastle have a good chance of winning something in the next two years. 😀

Hope springs eternal – maybe next season?

Howay The Lads!!

23 comments so far

  • Grafton83

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM

    Comment #1

    Mostly because they’re not good enough yet, never is a very long time though, one day they will both win something. I think Newcastle will win something ebfore England do.

  • SuperShearer

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #2

    The fact is most English players are over-hyped, over-paid, over-priced and arrogant. They believe their own press that they are among the world’s ‘Best’ but in actual fact I don’t think any England player would make it into say the likes of the Spanish squad. The golden generation is gone. Lampard, Beckham, Ferdinand, Gerard, Terry and Barry should all forget about playing for England. The bigger problem is, unlike say Germany, Italy, France or Spain, we do not have an exciting bunch of youngsters coming through. Oxlaid-Chamberlain was taken as a wild-card, got one game and then was benched. Let the lad play, get him used to playing on the biggest stage, he makes good runs, he takes players on. What has frustrated me so much in these Euros is none of our players are willing to run at the opposition and try and beat their man. They run down blind alleys and then pass back to Parker who in turn passes back to Hart. It gets old real quick. The FA need to do something and quick because we’re falling behind in international quality at an alarming rate.

  • RobertNufc25

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #3

    What injuries??
    They had a fully fit squad last nyt.

    They’re a poor side.

  • magpiebop

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #4

    Missed the game due to a bop wii the Chilli’s in the land of the unwashed. It’s 22years since I saw them play at Newcastle Riverside on the ‘Great Expectorations Tour’, so couldn’t really miss their north east return.
    Anyway I had no fears that England might lose. So what went wrong?

  • barkel

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM

    Comment #5

    I think Newcastle will win something in the next couple of years, cant see England win anything until they start picking players based on form rather than by their name

  • RobertNufc25

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #6

    The media try & brainwash people that they’re a great team.
    When in reality they are

    Talking about beating the Germans when they hadn’t even played Italy yet.

  • Oldgit1

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM

    Comment #7

    We will never be good enough with the influx of foreign players in the prem.

    It is noted that the whole English squad are the only team that all play in their home country, that tells you something.

    Young english talent being over priced and not given the chance to progress.

    There are no outstanding english talent in this country

    Thats a few of the reasons why we will not be good enough to win anything.

  • TorqToon

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #8

    @SkyGraemeBailey: Reports in Holland suggest that Vertonghen’s move could be called off due to argument between him and Ajax over money.

  • jimiley

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #9

    Because other teams are better. Putting it another way.. because both teams do no have enough quality. As Shearer put it on TV ” We are falling short.” A kind way of saying that the players are not good enough.

  • TorqToon

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #10

    I am arranging a stag do in Newcastle and will be up for the spuds opener, how easy is it to ger tickets for people who arent members etc? Needing some advice fellas. Cheers

  • Beattie25

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #11

    Easy. Here are the similarities!

    We don’t produce enough talent.

    Our grass roots football is appalling!

    Lots of off the field controversy.

    Terrible choice of managers.

    Defeatist mentality.

    Bad tactics.

    Poor players playing alongside quality.

    Little investment.

    Too much expectation.

  • markmac

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #12

    Our defence looked as good as has for aslong as i remember, but we were getting overun in midfield and why do we always look so fcuked?

  • arctoa

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #13

    Pretty sure Ashley Cole would get into the Spanish team, and Casillas isn’t the ‘keeper he once was.

    That said, the better team won last night. They probably did England a favour in the long-run ’cause they’d have gotten a bratwurst pasting by the Germans.

    Given pre-tournament expectations I would suggest that England did what was required of them: getting out of a potentially tricky group. Anything else was a bonus.

    As for Newcastle winning a trophy soon: only if we get relegated again! The top teams have a strangle-hold on the major honours and there’s little chance of us breaking back in to that clique. We were only there in the Keegan and Robson days by spending beyond our means.

  • gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola)

    Jun 25, 2012 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #14


    sorry….just had to…

    Shearer +1

    Add to that the fact that every manager that Managers England kinda does it only for the money and dreads the day he faces the press….England always choke, players are too interested in themselves and rarely play as a team.

    To be fair comparing NUFC to England is UNFAIR to Newcastle…

  • pieceofpapiss

    Jun 25, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #15


    You’ve also missed the attitude of the Press. They are a huge part of the problem.

  • arctoa

    Jun 25, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #16

    Agree with Beattie, too; football at the bottom levels of England, and the whole youth setup, is nothing short of a joke. It has taken steps forward in the past ten years or so with the re-arrangement of the lower leagues and the establishment of the national training centre, but a lot more needs to be done. The whole coaching mentality needs to be geared towards technical proficiency rather than running around in circles for 90 minutes.

    The fall of Scotland as an international force should be looked upon as an omen.

  • ~Perchinho the Pheonix~

    Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Comment #17

    King Strolla wouldn’t have missed a penalty. Heck, bringing him on just to take penalties, would have meant that he contributed more to the squad then Ashley “Olympic Diver” Young did the whole tournament.

    Also, how does Ashley cole manage to take good penalties for Chelsea. Example his penalty during the CL. But take shitty ones for England?

    Why was a defender chosen over a Striker to take a penalty?

    Why was downing even in the England Squad?

  • Spotlight Kid

    Jun 25, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #18

    Two different questions, Ed.

    The England question is dead easy. The top players lack basic footballing skills, period.

    It takes an Italian one touch to control a ball, it takes an English player two or three. Englsh players (in general) can’t pass, can’t receive, can’t hold the ball confidently, can’t dribble, can’t build from the back & give the ball away cheaply (over and over).

    They have their moments individually, but it’s not enough over 90 minutes.

    More analysis is meaningless, it’s not about pride but basic technique. England players should look at their on-field stats (individually and collectively) then their bank accounts, and bow their heads in shame.

    The Prem is only good because it has loads of foreign players who do have these necessary skills, which in turn flatters every UK born player in the same team week in week out.

  • Munster Mag

    Jun 25, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #19

    Strangely, I thought England would win, only because Carroll would get somthing out of their centre halves. English ( and Irish ) football is now very weak, but the English have been too arrogant to see this. You only have to listen to something like ” You’re on Sky Sports” to hear a lunatic presenter, discussing England with lunatic fans. One guy came on last night to say that Bobby Zamora needed to be considered !! Without the foreign players, the prem league would be turgid, as they are the ones that add the class, consistently. English players cant pass the ball, and cant retain possession for very long. We all love english club football, but even comparing the Irish team with greece, the Irish fellas play for Wolves, but plenty of the Greeks played for good german sides. The quality in passing was hugely different.

  • wor geordie

    Jun 25, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #20

    the fact that they could hold the italians without score both during the playing time and the extra 30 mminutes should be considered a bonus itself. england midfield was just not it. if you look at the penalties again, the one by ashley young was so stupid. he barely looked at the ball or net, which shows over-confidence, arrogance and in-experience. the italians barely kicked their penalties hard, they just knew where to land it. huge difference in class and attitude….

  • arctoa

    Jun 25, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #21

    There are some English players who can hold on to the ball (Leon Britton and Leon Osman are two examples off the top of my head) but they’ve never been, and probably never will, be considered for England duty ’cause they’re too small physically and they play for unfashionable clubs. Ridiculous reasoning, but there y’go.

  • weg

    Jun 25, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #22

    England never do well because the whole english set up is crap. Our so-called better player cant control the ball properly, our grassroots set up needs to focus more on technique(we have no top notch playmakers). The inflated prices for english players from lower leagues, means they dont go to prem clubs and dont play with the top foreigners in our league. Result: they dont improve to that class! As I’ve said in a previous post, we should have England B-team games every time there’s and international break. To showcase the talent that doesn’t get the opportunities otherwise.
    For years and years, england managers have, on the whole, only chosen players from top clubs and/or players with past reputations! It’s a narrow-minded view! And one that slams the door on unearthed gems!

  • Kyo

    Jun 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Comment #23


    we’re not winning anything in the next 2 years


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