Magpies Interested In Polish Free Agent


We reported last week that Newcastle were being linked with Polish International defender, Sebastian Boenisch, who is a free agent, and the new news is that Stuttgart have pulled the plug on their pursuit of the player.

Sebastian Boenisch – Newcastle interested?

The news is that German club Stuttgart have now pulled out of a potential deal for the 6’3″ 25 year-old, apparently because they were not impressed with his performances at Euro 2012.

In our article last week it was half expected that Stuttgart would sign the player, and his only OK performances in Euro2012 could affect Newcastle going after the player, who can play in either full-back position.

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew had made is clear that he and Chief Scout Graham Carr were monitoring the form of Newcastle’s targets during the tournament.

Reports in the German media continue to point to Newcastle as being interested in the former Schalke 04 defender, but it’s hard to know how much truth there is in these reports.

And some of the comments from our Polish readers in the last article,  thought he may not be good enough for Newcastle, but we’ve only seen him play a couple of times, and he looked OK in those games.

Boenisch’s agent, Dieter Burdenski, who’s job it is to fix Sebastien up with another club, says his client is attracting interest, but refuses to name which clubs are after him – spoilsport.

This is what he told the Kreiszeitung Syke newspaper:

“It is a fact that VfB Stuttgart have cancelled their offer to sign the player.”  “There are other clubs that are keen. We are now going to investigate these options.” “I am not going to comment on any club names.”

Boenisch plays mostly as a left back although he can also play on the right side, as he’s good with either foot,  and there’s still a possibility that he could accept the contract offer made by his current club Werder Bremen, although his agent Burdenski was mum on that possibility:

  “I am not going to comment on that.”

There’s a chance that Newcastle are interested in this player, since the price is very good, and Newcastle always like a good bargain, but the real question is – is he good enough?

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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159 comments so far

  • Toonboy_84

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Comment #1

    Can’t remember any polish player’s playing for us before.

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  • davybtoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Comment #2

    This lad has lived n played in Germany his whole life n if we sign him it will b off what Carr has seen in the bundisliga not the euros

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  • deeeeeeano

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #3

    From what I remember he was slower than geremi and polands poorest defender in the 2 games I saw.

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  • Swede

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #4

    I am sure he is well known for Carr, and if they decide rhat he is good enough for Newcastle. Then welcome…

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #5

    6tf 3″, I thought he was about 5tf 9/10″, not that it makes any difference, as davybtoon says he has played his whole carrer in Germany, that is a difficult league, and being on a free he has got to be worth looking at, how Stuttgart can pull out of a deal because of his Euro performances is very strange, some very good club players never manage to do it at international level, watching the ACON earlier this year both Ba and Cisse looked very poor, but look at how they performed for us

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  • traceline

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #6

    Pards said before the tournament that he 1/2 hoped his targets had a less-than-great time….

    Don’t think he’d be put off by a poor euro performance due to the amount of groundwork we’ve already put in.

    InCarrWeTrust

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  • No Plain Saylor

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #7

    … Meh

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #8

    Is it just me or does anyone else think that we are building up Graham Carr a little bit too much, yes he did get great deals for HBA and Cabaye, but Chris Hughton recommended Tiote to Kevin Keegan before Carr joined us, and it was Pardew’s links with West Ham which got us Ba, Cisse’s reputation was well known so was a case of who takes the chance on him, don’t get me wrong I’m not critisizing Carr, he has and is doing a great job, but I do feel that we might be going a bit over the top with him

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  • martoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #9

    Spoof – I know what you are saying but I don’t think MA would have given him an 8 year contract if he wasn’t vitally important.

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  • Nick 69

    Jun 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #10

    spoof – you are clealry underestimating Carr’s work, you talk about CIsse having a reputation, yet he didnt have a reputation before he played for Metz which was when Carr first started scouting him, and it was Carr’s recommendation on Ba from his time in Germany, how exactly did Pardews links with West Ham have anything to do with it as West Ham are a completely different club, from the owners down to when Pards was there, so in actual fact he probably no longer has any links at West Ham

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #11

    I think he is important as well, very important, but all this if he’s good enough for Carr then he must be an exeptional player is a bit much, what worries me is what will the reaction be when he gets one wrong, it will happen, afterall he is human, I just think we should hold back on this god like status that we are currently giving him

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  • Nick 69

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #12

    spoof- oh and also, as far as Hughton recommending Tiote to Keegan, who do you think recommended him to Hughton, considering Carr had scouted Tiote for a few years, and Carr was scout at Spurs, from where Hughton had just left to join us

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #13

    Pardew still has links with some of the West Ham backroom staff, they would have informed him that he was a good choice, perhaps Carr also knew him, fine, I am not underestimating Carrs work, I’m just fearful that some are building him up a bit too much, its as if people belive that it is impossible for him to get one wrong, and I don’t think we should build him up to that degree

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  • Nick 69

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #14

    nobodies saying if hes good enough for Carr hes exceptional, but what people are saying is Carr knows a lot more than any of us, so if hes good enough for him then well trust his judgement and give the player a chance

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #15

    Nick 69, why would Carr when at Spurs recommend Tiote to Hughton at Newcastle, anyhow that is not the point, the point is Carr is human and he can make mistakes, all I am saying is that we should be careful of how much we build him up.

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  • davybtoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #16

    Spoof Carr recommended tiote to houghton when both at spurs, Carr watched tiote when he played in Belgium

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  • No Plain Saylor

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #17

    Thing is carr does a lot of researching and scouting on players in holla d france germany, god knows where else! So in an average year how maby players do you think he leeps tabs on, 100 maybe? And if a list of 30 is given to pardew in order from most reccomended to still good, carr’s done his job its not up to him who pardiola goes with, who the board back a move for, and who MA can stick his hand in his pocket for. I’m sure if he got his first choice we’d have mbiwa, luuk de jong.. etc he can only recomend, and in english football nobody does it better

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #18

    Nick, undoubtebly Carr knows more that us, certainly more than me, but you will find that there are many who feel that Carr is a magician who always see’s what other scouts can’t, and they believe that every player he recommends is gauranteed to be another Cabaye

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  • davybtoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #19

    Jus like he told man city to sign cisse when he first saw him at Metz

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  • davybtoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #20

    Spoof but clearly Carr can see what other scouts can’t or they would of signed tiote n cabaye n cisse on the cheap instead of us

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  • Nick 69

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Comment #21

    well if people think like that then theyv only got themselves to blame if they end up disapoointed.

    The thing about Carr and other scouts tho, is a lot of other scouts seem to recommend players over half a season, or 1 season, where as he seems o scout players longer term, when they’ve played in various countries with different styles of football so he has a better idea of how they’ll adapt to the Prem.

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  • Tom4Nufc

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Comment #22

    No no no no no no no…. Enough no’s for a day?!

    What Carr has is as follows:

    1) Years of good experience in a scouting role at good clubs as well as now being part of a fantastic scouting network.

    2) Most importantly an owner & chairman who back him with the money, if Carr says a player is good & Pardiola agrees, then MA will (if within budget) come up with the funds.

    That’s the difference, Carr has the backing of the club which is what sets him apart from other scouts. MA wants to run us as a sustainable business so it makes sense to let Carr do his job, listen to him and back him with both money and a new 8 year contract.

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  • Tom4Nufc

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Comment #23

    Unlike Chelski who buy players on if the owner want’s them!

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #24

    davybtoon, the chances are other scouts did recommend them, as No Plain Saylor said, its the club who signs them and not the scouts, everyone here seems to be missing the point of what I said, Carr is a good scout and I would not say anything to contradict that, all I am saying is that we shouldn’t build him up too much, because eventually one of his recomendations will not work, perhaps that has already happened with Obertan, Carr may well have recommended him from his Bloumfontaine days, whether he did or didn’t is not important, all I am saying is lets be careful of how much esteem we hold him in

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  • ToonAndy

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #25

    Who here thinks that signing a new player is almost like capturing a new form or Pokemon? … Come on Ashley… Give us our new form of Pokemon! And it had better be a rare shiny you fat but yet glorious basta’rd! X

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Comment #26

    Tom @ 22, well said, it is a team effort and the team is getting the best out of Graham Carr, lets hope it continues that way

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  • ToonAndy

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Comment #27

    I agree with spoof – we have signed a ligue 1 winning player Who pulled the strings, one of Europes leading scorers for a poor team, a french genius whom even my gran knew about (Ben arfa) a player who scored for fun in the German league and then also in ours… We class them as “graham Carr gems” when really they are just “gems” who we have been veryyy fortunate to get them into our club for a reasonable if not strangely low fee…

    Graham Carr is good and I wouldn’t change him for nobody … But he needs to be consistently doing this for 5-10 years before we give him this much praise

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Comment #28

    Is it pick on Carr day? Whilst I agree we shouldn’t label him a messiah, he is bloody fantastic and I’m sure having him around and all of the work he has done has helped identify who we want to sign and actually getting them to sign. Notice I said “helped” and not that he did it all by himself.

    There are many clubs out there with financial backing and they aren’t buying the same gems. They overpay for the polished ones, Carr scouts us the hidden, perhaps not so obvious players and I hope it continues beyond his new 8 year contract.

    In Carr we trust and HWTL!

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  • @timuJ

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #29

    Yes spoof I agree with you too – it’s already a boring cliche now – if he’s good enough for Carr, he’s good enough for us.

    Graham Carr is at the head of a very well organised scouting system and that has more to do with the player’s we are bringing in than Carr’s inherent eye for a player.

    Also, our players are easily touted as gems because of the transfer fee we pay for them – something which is just as much to do with the negotiating skills of Llambias and Ashley as Carr’s initial recommendation.

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  • davybtoon

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #30

    Haha can’t believe ppl trying to discredit Carr, if jus an average scout how come man utd or Chelsea didn’t pick tiote for 3.5mil or cabaye for 5mil, as someone said cabaye was main reason Lille won the league so other club scouts clearly aren’t doin there job properly

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  • @timuJ

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #31

    I’m very grateful that Carr is our chief scout though – cares about the club and has the trust of Ashley and co.

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  • dave 1961

    Jun 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #32

    Never posted for a while due to ill health i do read though, i just had to put spoof right on who recommended Obertan.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2024093/Gabriel-Obertan-completes-Newcastle-Manchester-United.html

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Comment #33

    Ibizatoon, you have summed it up, I have never said a bad word about Carr, but like yourself I also believe that we shouldn’t label him a messiah, give his praise by all means, he deserves it, but lets not go over the top

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  • rich_toonfan

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Comment #34

    Carr is at the right club.

    At Chelsea and city they want big names but we want unknowns and bargains.

    There will be other scouts as good, at arsenal etc.

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  • Spoof

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Comment #35

    davybtoon, nobody has tried to discredit Carr, everyone of us has praised him.
    dave 1961, the report does not say who scouted him, not that it matters who it was, all it does is tell us who the manager was when we signed him, why are people looking at this as being a critisism of Carr, when it obviously isn’t, I’m getting a bit bored with poeple making the wrong assumption, can someone tell me where I critisized Graham Carr

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  • outsidethebox

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Comment #36

    agree with spoof ..35..carr recommends players gives advice…would like to know who goes in and does the deal …pleased we have such an envied scout ..poss even better than dennis wise lol

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  • Wandering Geordie

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #37

    Morning Lads from cloudy Lima. Peru .Been a while since I was on.I see the rumours of players signing are still rife.I still have a strong feeling though that Debuchy is coming and that there is going to be another 2 quality signings due.
    Great that Cabaye had a good tournament.But hey we already knew he was a class act.Cant wait till new season starts. Watched local team here at weekend Cristal( ex Nobby Solano’s team) Cant beat St James though lol

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    Comment #38

    Spoof….Over the top? The Geordies? Howay

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  • dave 1961

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #39

    its clear when i read the article who scouted Obertan.
    Gabriel is a player I’ve watched for the last couple of seasons since he arrived at Manchester United,’ Pardew told the club’s official website.
    High hopes: Toon boss Pardew expects new signing Obertan to hit the ground running
    ‘He has great pace and excellent technique and he has improved his power in the last 12 months and is ready now to make a real impact in the Premier League.

    ‘I contacted Sir Alex about him early at the start of the summer to see if there was an opportunity to bring him to Newcastle, but it wasn’t until Wayne Routledge joined Swansea that we were able to bring him in

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  • chris_g

    Jun 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Comment #40

    I don’t think anyone is underestimating Carr’s value, but what I think people do overlook is the contribution of other members of the scouting team. Obviously as head scout Carr will make the final recommendations about potential targets, but it doesn’t mean that he’s always the first person to identify the players.

    I remember reading an article on this blog last month where Ollie Bernard was talking about Amaltifano: http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/05/24/romain-amalfitano-will-need-time-to-settle-in-at-newcastle/

    When I read the article I got the distinct impression that it was actually Ollie who recommended Amalfitano to Carr, who in turn recommended him to Pardew. Which made me wonder if Ollie spends a lot of his time scouting his French compatriots on behalf of the toon, leaving Carr to concentrate on the Dutch, German and Belgian leagues?

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