We reported last week that Newcastle were being linked with Polish International defender, Sebastian Boenisch, who is a free agent, and the new news is that Stuttgart have pulled the plug on their pursuit of the player.
Sebastian Boenisch – Newcastle interested?
The news is that German club Stuttgart have now pulled out of a potential deal for the 6’3″ 25 year-old, apparently because they were not impressed with his performances at Euro 2012.
In our article last week it was half expected that Stuttgart would sign the player, and his only OK performances in Euro2012 could affect Newcastle going after the player, who can play in either full-back position.
Newcastle manager Alan Pardew had made is clear that he and Chief Scout Graham Carr were monitoring the form of Newcastle’s targets during the tournament.
Reports in the German media continue to point to Newcastle as being interested in the former Schalke 04 defender, but it’s hard to know how much truth there is in these reports.
And some of the comments from our Polish readers in the last article, thought he may not be good enough for Newcastle, but we’ve only seen him play a couple of times, and he looked OK in those games.
Boenisch’s agent, Dieter Burdenski, who’s job it is to fix Sebastien up with another club, says his client is attracting interest, but refuses to name which clubs are after him – spoilsport.
This is what he told the Kreiszeitung Syke newspaper:
“It is a fact that VfB Stuttgart have cancelled their offer to sign the player.” ”There are other clubs that are keen. We are now going to investigate these options.” “I am not going to comment on any club names.”
Boenisch plays mostly as a left back although he can also play on the right side, as he’s good with either foot, and there’s still a possibility that he could accept the contract offer made by his current club Werder Bremen, although his agent Burdenski was mum on that possibility:
“I am not going to comment on that.”
There’s a chance that Newcastle are interested in this player, since the price is very good, and Newcastle always like a good bargain, but the real question is – is he good enough?
What do you think?
Comments welcome.
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159 responses so far ↓
1 Toonboy_84 // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Can’t remember any polish player’s playing for us before.
2 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM
This lad has lived n played in Germany his whole life n if we sign him it will b off what Carr has seen in the bundisliga not the euros
3 deeeeeeano // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM
From what I remember he was slower than geremi and polands poorest defender in the 2 games I saw.
4 Swede // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:37 PM
I am sure he is well known for Carr, and if they decide rhat he is good enough for Newcastle. Then welcome…
5 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM
6tf 3″, I thought he was about 5tf 9/10″, not that it makes any difference, as davybtoon says he has played his whole carrer in Germany, that is a difficult league, and being on a free he has got to be worth looking at, how Stuttgart can pull out of a deal because of his Euro performances is very strange, some very good club players never manage to do it at international level, watching the ACON earlier this year both Ba and Cisse looked very poor, but look at how they performed for us
6 traceline // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Pards said before the tournament that he 1/2 hoped his targets had a less-than-great time….
Don’t think he’d be put off by a poor euro performance due to the amount of groundwork we’ve already put in.
InCarrWeTrust
7 No Plain Saylor // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:41 PM
… Meh
8 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else think that we are building up Graham Carr a little bit too much, yes he did get great deals for HBA and Cabaye, but Chris Hughton recommended Tiote to Kevin Keegan before Carr joined us, and it was Pardew’s links with West Ham which got us Ba, Cisse’s reputation was well known so was a case of who takes the chance on him, don’t get me wrong I’m not critisizing Carr, he has and is doing a great job, but I do feel that we might be going a bit over the top with him
9 martoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Spoof – I know what you are saying but I don’t think MA would have given him an 8 year contract if he wasn’t vitally important.
10 Nick 69 // Jun 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM
spoof – you are clealry underestimating Carr’s work, you talk about CIsse having a reputation, yet he didnt have a reputation before he played for Metz which was when Carr first started scouting him, and it was Carr’s recommendation on Ba from his time in Germany, how exactly did Pardews links with West Ham have anything to do with it as West Ham are a completely different club, from the owners down to when Pards was there, so in actual fact he probably no longer has any links at West Ham
11 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM
I think he is important as well, very important, but all this if he’s good enough for Carr then he must be an exeptional player is a bit much, what worries me is what will the reaction be when he gets one wrong, it will happen, afterall he is human, I just think we should hold back on this god like status that we are currently giving him
12 Nick 69 // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM
spoof- oh and also, as far as Hughton recommending Tiote to Keegan, who do you think recommended him to Hughton, considering Carr had scouted Tiote for a few years, and Carr was scout at Spurs, from where Hughton had just left to join us
13 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM
Pardew still has links with some of the West Ham backroom staff, they would have informed him that he was a good choice, perhaps Carr also knew him, fine, I am not underestimating Carrs work, I’m just fearful that some are building him up a bit too much, its as if people belive that it is impossible for him to get one wrong, and I don’t think we should build him up to that degree
14 Nick 69 // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM
nobodies saying if hes good enough for Carr hes exceptional, but what people are saying is Carr knows a lot more than any of us, so if hes good enough for him then well trust his judgement and give the player a chance
15 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM
Nick 69, why would Carr when at Spurs recommend Tiote to Hughton at Newcastle, anyhow that is not the point, the point is Carr is human and he can make mistakes, all I am saying is that we should be careful of how much we build him up.
16 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Spoof Carr recommended tiote to houghton when both at spurs, Carr watched tiote when he played in Belgium
17 No Plain Saylor // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Thing is carr does a lot of researching and scouting on players in holla d france germany, god knows where else! So in an average year how maby players do you think he leeps tabs on, 100 maybe? And if a list of 30 is given to pardew in order from most reccomended to still good, carr’s done his job its not up to him who pardiola goes with, who the board back a move for, and who MA can stick his hand in his pocket for. I’m sure if he got his first choice we’d have mbiwa, luuk de jong.. etc he can only recomend, and in english football nobody does it better
18 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Nick, undoubtebly Carr knows more that us, certainly more than me, but you will find that there are many who feel that Carr is a magician who always see’s what other scouts can’t, and they believe that every player he recommends is gauranteed to be another Cabaye
19 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Jus like he told man city to sign cisse when he first saw him at Metz
20 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM
Spoof but clearly Carr can see what other scouts can’t or they would of signed tiote n cabaye n cisse on the cheap instead of us
21 Nick 69 // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM
well if people think like that then theyv only got themselves to blame if they end up disapoointed.
The thing about Carr and other scouts tho, is a lot of other scouts seem to recommend players over half a season, or 1 season, where as he seems o scout players longer term, when they’ve played in various countries with different styles of football so he has a better idea of how they’ll adapt to the Prem.
22 Tom4Nufc // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM
No no no no no no no…. Enough no’s for a day?!
What Carr has is as follows:
1) Years of good experience in a scouting role at good clubs as well as now being part of a fantastic scouting network.
2) Most importantly an owner & chairman who back him with the money, if Carr says a player is good & Pardiola agrees, then MA will (if within budget) come up with the funds.
That’s the difference, Carr has the backing of the club which is what sets him apart from other scouts. MA wants to run us as a sustainable business so it makes sense to let Carr do his job, listen to him and back him with both money and a new 8 year contract.
23 Tom4Nufc // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM
Unlike Chelski who buy players on if the owner want’s them!
24 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM
davybtoon, the chances are other scouts did recommend them, as No Plain Saylor said, its the club who signs them and not the scouts, everyone here seems to be missing the point of what I said, Carr is a good scout and I would not say anything to contradict that, all I am saying is that we shouldn’t build him up too much, because eventually one of his recomendations will not work, perhaps that has already happened with Obertan, Carr may well have recommended him from his Bloumfontaine days, whether he did or didn’t is not important, all I am saying is lets be careful of how much esteem we hold him in
25 ToonAndy // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Who here thinks that signing a new player is almost like capturing a new form or Pokemon? … Come on Ashley… Give us our new form of Pokemon! And it had better be a rare shiny you fat but yet glorious basta’rd! X
26 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Tom @ 22, well said, it is a team effort and the team is getting the best out of Graham Carr, lets hope it continues that way
27 ToonAndy // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:41 PM
I agree with spoof – we have signed a ligue 1 winning player Who pulled the strings, one of Europes leading scorers for a poor team, a french genius whom even my gran knew about (Ben arfa) a player who scored for fun in the German league and then also in ours… We class them as “graham Carr gems” when really they are just “gems” who we have been veryyy fortunate to get them into our club for a reasonable if not strangely low fee…
Graham Carr is good and I wouldn’t change him for nobody … But he needs to be consistently doing this for 5-10 years before we give him this much praise
28 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Is it pick on Carr day? Whilst I agree we shouldn’t label him a messiah, he is bloody fantastic and I’m sure having him around and all of the work he has done has helped identify who we want to sign and actually getting them to sign. Notice I said “helped” and not that he did it all by himself.
There are many clubs out there with financial backing and they aren’t buying the same gems. They overpay for the polished ones, Carr scouts us the hidden, perhaps not so obvious players and I hope it continues beyond his new 8 year contract.
In Carr we trust and HWTL!
29 @timuJ // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Yes spoof I agree with you too – it’s already a boring cliche now – if he’s good enough for Carr, he’s good enough for us.
Graham Carr is at the head of a very well organised scouting system and that has more to do with the player’s we are bringing in than Carr’s inherent eye for a player.
Also, our players are easily touted as gems because of the transfer fee we pay for them – something which is just as much to do with the negotiating skills of Llambias and Ashley as Carr’s initial recommendation.
30 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Haha can’t believe ppl trying to discredit Carr, if jus an average scout how come man utd or Chelsea didn’t pick tiote for 3.5mil or cabaye for 5mil, as someone said cabaye was main reason Lille won the league so other club scouts clearly aren’t doin there job properly
31 @timuJ // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM
I’m very grateful that Carr is our chief scout though – cares about the club and has the trust of Ashley and co.
32 dave 1961 // Jun 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Never posted for a while due to ill health i do read though, i just had to put spoof right on who recommended Obertan.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2024093/Gabriel-Obertan-completes-Newcastle-Manchester-United.html
33 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:06 PM
Ibizatoon, you have summed it up, I have never said a bad word about Carr, but like yourself I also believe that we shouldn’t label him a messiah, give his praise by all means, he deserves it, but lets not go over the top
34 rich_toonfan // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:15 PM
Carr is at the right club.
At Chelsea and city they want big names but we want unknowns and bargains.
There will be other scouts as good, at arsenal etc.
35 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM
davybtoon, nobody has tried to discredit Carr, everyone of us has praised him.
dave 1961, the report does not say who scouted him, not that it matters who it was, all it does is tell us who the manager was when we signed him, why are people looking at this as being a critisism of Carr, when it obviously isn’t, I’m getting a bit bored with poeple making the wrong assumption, can someone tell me where I critisized Graham Carr
36 outsidethebox // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:20 PM
agree with spoof ..35..carr recommends players gives advice…would like to know who goes in and does the deal …pleased we have such an envied scout ..poss even better than dennis wise lol
37 Wandering Geordie // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:33 PM
Morning Lads from cloudy Lima. Peru .Been a while since I was on.I see the rumours of players signing are still rife.I still have a strong feeling though that Debuchy is coming and that there is going to be another 2 quality signings due.
Great that Cabaye had a good tournament.But hey we already knew he was a class act.Cant wait till new season starts. Watched local team here at weekend Cristal( ex Nobby Solano’s team) Cant beat St James though lol
38 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Spoof….Over the top? The Geordies? Howay
39 dave 1961 // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:43 PM
its clear when i read the article who scouted Obertan.
Gabriel is a player I’ve watched for the last couple of seasons since he arrived at Manchester United,’ Pardew told the club’s official website.
High hopes: Toon boss Pardew expects new signing Obertan to hit the ground running
‘He has great pace and excellent technique and he has improved his power in the last 12 months and is ready now to make a real impact in the Premier League.
‘I contacted Sir Alex about him early at the start of the summer to see if there was an opportunity to bring him to Newcastle, but it wasn’t until Wayne Routledge joined Swansea that we were able to bring him in
40 chris_g // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM
I don’t think anyone is underestimating Carr’s value, but what I think people do overlook is the contribution of other members of the scouting team. Obviously as head scout Carr will make the final recommendations about potential targets, but it doesn’t mean that he’s always the first person to identify the players.
I remember reading an article on this blog last month where Ollie Bernard was talking about Amaltifano: http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/05/24/romain-amalfitano-will-need-time-to-settle-in-at-newcastle/
When I read the article I got the distinct impression that it was actually Ollie who recommended Amalfitano to Carr, who in turn recommended him to Pardew. Which made me wonder if Ollie spends a lot of his time scouting his French compatriots on behalf of the toon, leaving Carr to concentrate on the Dutch, German and Belgian leagues?
41 Zebras4Life // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM
If Ba and Best leave in this window we will need 2 replacemnets – DeJong and either Toivonen, Guidetti, or Castaignos. It makes perfect sense. Why sell Best if we are not going to upgrade our #3 ST?
42 Oldgit1 // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Who is the scout at FC Twente, we seem to be in for a number of their players, perhaps he could be better than carr, Wonder what his transfer fee is.
43 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:53 PM
I don’t think anyone is under any illusion as to how scouting and transfers work and when we all spout how amazing Carr is and In Carr we trust, etc etc, it should be taken as the whole scouting “team”, not just one man.
It would seem though, as Head Scout, that he is the main man and I am assuming here, but the other scouts finding the players are his scouts or contacts?
Happens a lot in business, as I’m sure many of you know, credit is generally given to people nearer the top of the food chain, despite the fact that a lot of the work get’s carried out by members lower in the pecking order.
Each person, component or whatever is important. I’m just glad we have such a great set-up with great individuals. Happy bloody days!
44 Indian Magpie // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM
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45 WWYCD // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM
A Pole and a German moving to Newcastle together…will end in tears
46 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:00 PM
I would love to have a look at Carrs little black book with all of his scouting reports and targets inside
47 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM
Ibiza i think it works as carr has a team of say 3 additional scouts he would of put tigether and each one them would have there own contacts etc well thats what me mate reckons he used to be a video coach and tgats how there scout worked so id imagine its similar just on a larger scale
48 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:08 PM
* used to be a video coach for leyton orient
49 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM
@outside the box id imagine llambass n charney do the negotiations with pards there to sell the clubs plan to them
50 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Tads…Video coach? Do enlighten me
51 Zebras4Life // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Oldgit1 // Jun 27, 2012 at 4:51 PM
Who is the scout at FC Twente, we seem to be in for a number of their players, perhaps he could be better than carr, Wonder what his transfer fee is.
***THIS*** I was thinking about Twente the other day and couldnt help but to admire what they do on the transfer front.
52 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM
Ibiza it was very exciting tbf but basically he travelled to matches with them filmed the games and done an alternitive commentary ie if they conceded at a set piece who was at fault marking wise etc same with midfield if play was breaking down was it because of positioning and then handed it over to the coach who then also reviewed the game showed to the players n basically told em look your at fault for this etc
53 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM
*wasnt very exciting
54 Toon-Barmy // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Off topic but I thought this was a good read, especially the part regarding Aly Cissokho.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/21476/7421927/Top-ten-to-avoid
55 jimmyxavi // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM
Last time I posted it was because the fans were slating our players – Simmo and Willo who got us to a 5th place finish – Now your slagging Graham Carr
We have the most fickle fans in the League.
You say toivonen is shi t because you watched him in one game a few months back so therefor you know more than the Newcastle scouting team. Give your heads a shake.
Now you say Carr is lucky and people already know about his players – If this is true why did no other clubs activate Cabaye’s get out clause? – Why did no other clubs sign Cisse?Why did no other clubs sign Abeid?
“But he needs to be consistently doing this for 5-10 years before we give him this much praise” – He’s been a scout for a lot longer than 5-10 years.
You question Carr’s judgement yet you slag a prospective player after watching a 2 minute YouTube video. WOW
56 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Toon barmy the bit on poldoslki was funny!
57 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Jimmyxavi nice rant agree with ya was carr scout for spuds when they nabbed bale?
58 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM
So we’re set to miss out on being named in category 1 status for the academy and will b named in category 2 what worse is Sunderland n boro have been giving cat 1
This is why am sick of the toon not giving youngsters a chance at first time level in the last 10year it’s been what a handful of players come through this has got to improve
59 pizzicatochan // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM
Before we signed Marveaux, did we hear anything?
60 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM
James tavernier for example could b the answer at right back even pardew said himself he was sensational in training yet the lad could b about to walk away for free
61 davybtoon // Jun 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM
Pizzi there were a few rumours we were after him but not really, we practically done the deal over nyt n he was announced at like 8am on sat morning
62 Twatter // Jun 27, 2012 at 6:05 PM
Comment of the day goes to jimmyxavi. Onto the Tavernier situation, I don’t know why he would want to walk away considering he will be getting a chance in the first team thus season. Hopefully he signs a new deal, but hey, we all know footballers aren’t the brightest…
63 dmac // Jun 27, 2012 at 6:53 PM
The Tav situation is weird, he recently capatained that team that won the tourny in china was it? Id be suprised if he walks.
64 croftus5678 // Jun 27, 2012 at 6:57 PM
your making my laugh you lot so signing a player thats playing well or has a reputation means they will do well in the club ? carr does his homework assesing weather they can adapt to the prem and into the newc team.
theres more to his job than just saying “oo he’s a good player sign him” we would not have the imo bargains that have gelled so well into the team without his hard work.
and on the tivornian signing saying he is not good enough because of his goals tally ! he plays in a different role to all our strikers (like ba’s possition has been second half of season) and he still scores a fair few goals from it so maybe it gives us another option to change our formation and be better than ba at that area.
65 Beardo // Jun 27, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Dickheads, apart from jimmyxavi.
66 Spoof // Jun 27, 2012 at 7:18 PM
jimmyxavi, who has been slagging off Carr, I haven’t read any comments which have done so
67 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:00 PM
Would love to have a winger with the pace of ronaldo just left pique eating dust!!
68 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM
lol at that top 10 players to avoid list
any scottish striker including Jelavic
i bet everton fans are pleased moyes payed no attention to this list
69 toonarmydownsouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:30 PM
I know im dreaming but a midfield of tiote cabaye and moutinho can you imagine it!
70 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:44 PM
tds
wouldnt mind that ronaldo fella either ; )
71 croftus5678 // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:46 PM
marvaux will be the best winger in the prem next season with ben arfa on the other side maybe pards can try push cisse and ba up front on the front line
my fully fit selection would be.
krull
santos/taylor/collo/fergusson (atm)
ban arfa/tiote/cabaye/marvaux
cisse/ba
leaves the likes of ameobi/williamson/gutti/tav/amalfeo/abied/perch on the bench but that looks a close to perfect team for me
only thing i would do is a rb/lb a cb because i dont think willo is stable enough and another striker and holding midfielder to cope with tiote’s suspensions
72 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:50 PM
croftus5678 //
that may well be our strongest starting line up but a think well see alot of squad rotation next season but im more than confident the likes of sammy ameobi abeid vukic ryan taylor(even obertan) will slot seemlessly in when needed n do a job
not forgetting any signings we havnt yet made
73 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:57 PM
its like a ghost town on here the nite
is wednesday the nite to go out now??
74 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:58 PM
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/120627/newcastle-battle-barcelona-bundesliga-defender-175325
so the former article say we are linked with him…. and talksport claim we are batttling barcelona with him………
by the way i heard the other 786 was on spoiling my name i would like to thank beattie, graham cwarr for trying to tell everyone that the mobile site my name is different to his… mine is blue his is green… otherwise i get abuse thrown at me…
75 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 8:58 PM
how could i forget ibiza too…
76 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM
you know this just proves im the real nufc786 becuz i have killed the blog…. yet agian…….
77 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM
I wouldn’t say Marveaux isn’t an out and out winger tbh like, I would have a formation like
_______________Tiote___________________
___HBA_______Cabaye_____Marveaux___
___________Cisse________Ba_______________
78 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM
4-1-3-2 i like tht…
79 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:09 PM
Big pappa Cisse
That will just turn into a 442
Its basically a 442 but just asking Cabaye to attack more when we in possession. I would prefer 4231, I just don’t know who I would pick though, Cisse or Ba
80 Oldgit1 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:10 PM
AP brought on marveaux against Everton as a cm perhaps this is where he see’s him playing next season.
81 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:14 PM
oldgit
i think that was more to do with the game, maybe he wanted to ease him in a bit aswell ie not having to run down the wings.
in my eyes marveux is the answer to our left wing problems, i love gutierrez but i think these days hes more suited to cm as he doesnt seem to be able to run past people anymore, also gutierrez hardly got the ball into the box whereaz i think marveux would
82 graham cwarr // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:15 PM
@786 i know you’re you but how do i know im me?
83 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM
more of an attacking midfielder for me marveaux always has good distribution of the ball…
84 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM
@ Mutiny
Cabaye attacking more can only be a good thing in my eyes like, some games last season he would sit back with tiote and the game would pass him by however with a 4-1-3-2 he would be spoilt for choice passing wise and could hit a few screamers aswell
85 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 PM
graham cwarr
good point…….
86 SupaToonKid // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM
It’s always good dream TDS as sometimes they come true
87 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:22 PM
Pappa Cisse
I agree, I would love to see him in more attacking positions too but if we use 4132, I fear with only Tiote in the CM/DM position we might struggle defensively. When Cabaye played more up the field for us we had two CM/DM to cover in Cheick n Jonas.
88 Dannyo // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:25 PM
We’re watching Spain vs Portugal, that’s why it’s quiet
89 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM
earlier on why were people slating carr??
do you not how far we have come in the past three years its him thts the cause of finshing 12th to 5th…. no one expected this…. but his signings were the cause of it and AP’s managment too…..
90 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:27 PM
same here mate but the second half hasnt lived up to the first
91 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Dannyo
i know tht who are you supporting??? just want to get some points across i want portugal to go through….
92 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:31 PM
portugal have the spine of a great team like, both fullbacks and wingers are immense, Pepe is one of the best cb’s in the world, cm is ok but they are still lacking any quality strikers tbh like
93 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:34 PM
i want portugal to win inal, much prefer portugals attacking flair to spains slow build up, for this reason also germany are me favourites (hard to say as an englishman but hey they play nice football)
94 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM
Who does Bruno Alves play for ?, hasn’t missed a header all night and has looked class alongside Pepe, could be backup for Steven taylor making Williamson third choice
95 dmac // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:40 PM
Disagree about Veloso and moutinho being alright…. Id have them both.
96 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM
i like portugals flair too spain know how to win though…. thts what brings the trophies…….
97 TimKrulFan // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM
Gutierrez was the most fouled player last season i didn’t notice him getting fouled more than anyone else!
98 dmac // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:41 PM
By that cryptic comment i think they are both ace. Moutinho especially he has bossed the mid for them this tourney.
99 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Christ, Martin Keown doesen’t half talk some bollocks like
100 TimKrulFan // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Bruno Alves plays in the Russian league don’t know who for though
101 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 PM
timkrulfan
u being sarcastic?? lol everytime he tried to run past sum1 he went down, seemed like he had the quick feet to get the ball past people but nee pace to carry it on so he just went down, won plenty good freekicks but showcased the fact that hes lost a yard of pace imo
102 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 PM
bruno alves plays for zenit st petersberg….. he is 30 though but really he is world class
103 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM
lets get him….
104 Gateshead-Mag // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM
really need to stop using lol me like, bad habbit just like biting me nails
105 SupaToonKid // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:47 PM
Bruno Alves plays for Zenit he’s about 29 & he’ll have a big asking price but he’s a world class CB & would start will Collo ahead of Saylor for sure.
106 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:48 PM
Alves is noted for his strength, tough tackling and aerial ability.
107 magpiebop // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:49 PM
I’m gonna try that 4-1-3-2 formation on Fifa12. My x-box name is Geordiebop. Message if any of you fancy a game.
108 SupaToonKid // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:51 PM
Oldgit1
Saw your comment about FC Twente’s scout and yeah it’d be super having him with Carr and even better if we got Porto’s scout as they bring through some of they best South American youngsters.
109 Dannyo // Jun 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM
@Gateshead
Lol.
110 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:05 PM
I like this kid Varela thats coming on now like
111 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Here we go again
112 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:19 PM
Big Pappa Cisse
who is the blog killer now???? dont worry it still will be me i have killed the blog too many times to count….
113 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM
great save…
114 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM
@nufc786
Yeah you know its dead when you start talking to yourself
115 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:22 PM
damn…..
116 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM
Big Pappa Cisse
i know it drives people nuts sometimes….
117 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM
yeah pepe…..
118 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:23 PM
damn……
119 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM
nani yo beauty………..
120 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:25 PM
ooooooh pirlo esque from ramos…… DAMN…….
121 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:25 PM
no no no no……………
122 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:26 PM
ahhhhh cant bear it……….. no no dbsro-=ldkkldkvmkd
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
123 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:27 PM
sorry…. pressure was getting to me there…….
124 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:27 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh spain won…… congratz spain………
125 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:28 PM
argh damn spain have just got through
126 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:28 PM
why didnt ronaldo take one…….
127 graham cwarr // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Nufc786 cheick tiote once uppecutted a horse. Thus the giraffe was created
128 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:29 PM
MUTINYbyLEMONS
like my commentary………
129 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM
I’m shure Martin Keown is high. Fabregas scores of the post and in and he said “well you cant get more accurate than that” yeah, he meant to hit the post Martin you clown
130 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:30 PM
Big Pappa Cisse
he is many things……
131 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:31 PM
graham cwarr
u learn something everyday…….. but now im mourning a portugal loss..
132 ToonDownSouth // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:31 PM
What a dislikeable bunch of players. I really do hope Germany pull them to pieces.
Portugal showed how to counter them perfectly, they just didn’t have the quality up top.
133 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:34 PM
ToonDownSouth
alas it didnt work…….. for portugal u are right they needed to get their shots on target especially against spain a shot on target is priceless as it has a chance of going in….
134 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM
guys your doing this on purpose now…………
we all know im the blog killer on here now……….
or ur mourning a portuagal loss……… im not sure……
135 WWYCD // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Alas Portugal they did fantastically and looked a real team throughout the competition
Ronaldo being saved and Nani dragging Bruno back were both poor choices imo but next time they may have a decent forward
Matched Spain though and hopefully showed Germany some tricks
136 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:46 PM
as captain ronaldo should have taken one… as an example to the players he leads out and his country… he is their best player their inspiration.. the papers will have a field day now……..
137 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Ronaldo was to busy choosing his hairstyle to take a pen
138 rich_toonfan // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Ronaldo taking the last penalty is fine as long as they are guaranteed to get to that penalty.
Once they realised the 4th penalty could have been there last Ronaldo should have taken it.
I personally think you send your best up front. If you score the first 3 the pressure is shifted onto the opposition. At least give yourselves a chance to win take all 5.
139 WWYCD // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:52 PM
nufc786
Papers always have a field day tbf most of its utter tosh though
Quarter of a inch seperated Cesc’s pen and Brunos yet one will be painted as a steely eyed hero the other a shaking bottle job
140 Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Nufc786,
Ever heard of a place called outside? You should go there!
141 rich_toonfan // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:53 PM
A lot of people on TV saying ronaldo wanted the last penalty for the glory of being the man to knock spain out.
Thats rubbish….no matter which penalty he took it would be his image and his penalty that was shown across the back pages regardless of whether he took first or last one.
142 nufc786 // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Ben Arfa
shall i describe my day to you……. shall i? work first always important… then 5 aside with da lads came home relaxed now here………
143 rich_toonfan // Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM
WWYCD
Well said….thats exactly how it will be reported.
I admire Alves’ penalty though….at least he went or the top corner…..a lot of players would have just made sure it was on target even if they gave the keeper and easy save.
He took a risk but it didn’t pay off for him.
144 WWYCD // Jun 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM
rich
I agree on the Ronaldo pen comment mate I can see a few reasons for him wanting to go last Spains GK knowing his pens very very well, the added pressure there would of been on the 5th taker, backing his fellow players etc
And yeah I enoyed Brunos pen Casillas got no where near it shame it was a little off target but after Nani made him retreat back to the centre circle u could tell his confidence was a little knocked down
145 Big Pappa Cisse // Jun 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM
Right lads looks like were flogging a dead horse now like, goodnight
146 RonVanDam // Jun 28, 2012 at 1:15 AM
If we go on tour, i want Pardew to give Xisco a chance to play striker and see whether he has improved over the last 4 years on loan. He could redeem himself. I know he has leeched the club off millions and shouldve done the right thing by leaving but on the otherhand it was the clubs fault for giving him a huge deal.
Now he gets to play in the same Sh***y League for Depotivo and earn 50k instead of $500 a week
147 Indian Magpie // Jun 28, 2012 at 4:34 AM
An article that i did some time ago,
Have a read
http://dhingrah.blogspot.in/2012/06/is-4-3-3-formation-way-forward.html
Thanks
148 toonincheek // Jun 28, 2012 at 4:58 AM
R-V-D @146
Xison can’t even get a regular starting place for Deportivo.
I think that is proof enough he is not up to it for us.
149 redondo77 // Jun 28, 2012 at 5:37 AM
is Erdinq, Gameiro, Gervinho also recomended by Carr?
150 redondo77 // Jun 28, 2012 at 5:42 AM
Anyway Carr is a great scout, but he is also human. He saw player’s potentials more than we do, because we never seen those players in training or in a match. I have no doubt about his judgement, but if the player is fail you can’t blame it on Carr. It’s up to what the player does after we signed him.
151 toonincheek // Jun 28, 2012 at 6:29 AM
Carr has already done enough to justify an 8-year contract, simply by initiating the transfers of Cheik and Yohann.
Anything further is a bonus.
To be hoped for – but not expected.
152 jesperfuglsang // Jun 28, 2012 at 6:39 AM
We do like our free agents don’t we
lol
153 redondo77 // Jun 28, 2012 at 6:57 AM
why pay if we can get them for free hehehe
154 Ben3arfa // Jun 28, 2012 at 7:17 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2012/06/27/3203868/gameiro-to-join-valencia-report?source=breakingnews
i cant help but think how great this guy could have been for us ..
155 toonincheek // Jun 28, 2012 at 7:28 AM
I can only think Gamiero would not have stood up to the horizontal freezing rain.
156 Ben3arfa // Jun 28, 2012 at 7:34 AM
Mind you, had we brought in gameiro last summer we would never have bought Cisse..
I still think he can do a good job for us now on the left or right wing
157 toonincheek // Jun 28, 2012 at 8:12 AM
Can’t see Gamiero adding much -
we have Marveaux (and many options) LW
and HBA (and alternatives) RW
158 Rotonda heights // Jun 28, 2012 at 8:47 AM
Glad Spain made it as I can’t abide Ronaldo and nani, 2 dispicable people.
People say Spain are boring but that’s because most teams always put 9 men behind the ball when they play them. Makes it dificult for anyone.
Viva Espana!!!
159 toonincheek // Jun 28, 2012 at 8:50 AM
Rotunda –
It’s chicken and egg.
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