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Good News For Newcastle At CAN

11:45 am, Saturday, July 7th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 123 Comments

The African Cup of Nations, officially CAN (which is French for Coupe d’Afrique des Nations), will take place in South Africa starting in January, and that will be the 4th tournament in just over five years.

The African Cup of Nations

The CAN  has taken place in 2008, 2010 and 2012, and will also take place next year, because they are changing the tournament to odd years, but it’s still going to be every two years, while other major football regions have their tournaments every four years – as in Europe.

We are late on this news, because of some of the transfer news breaking yesterday, but Senegal have been drawn against the  Ivory Coast in a two-legged play-off tie, with the winner getting a place in January’s tournament.

That means we’ll either lose Papiss Cisse or Demba Ba for the CAN, or Cheick Tiote, but not all three - and since the Ivory Coast are big favorites to win the whole thing in early February, they are favored to win the play-off two legged tie.

The Ivory Coast lost the final this year to Zambia, but only after it went to extra time and a long, long penalty shoot out, and you can watch the videos here – and Cheick Tiote scored the first penalty taken – of course – but it goes on and one…..

And if the Ivory Coast get through to the finals, it means Newcastle will only be losing Cheick Tiote to the CAN, and Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba can keep smashing those goals in for Newcastle.

Maybe Mehdi Abeid or new boy Gael Bigirimana can come in and deputize for Tiote, or maybe we’ll have Ajax player Vurnon Anita on board at the club by then.

That’s good news for Newcastle, and the next CAN will not be until 2015, which is more good news.

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123 responses so far ↓

  • 1 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    It certainly is good new that we will be keeping one half of the clash

  • 2 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    sorry missed an “s” of new last night5s rum still having an effect possibly :) :)

  • 3 yorkshireToon // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Cupiddstunt – from a couple of threads ago. I don’t think it is that wild a theory at all seen as we were ok in January not buying mariappa I honestly think Newcastle (maybe not pardew) would be happy to go ahead with shola, ba and cisse this season knowing they will be here all season

  • 4 Robby Bobson // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Hasnt ba been out of the squad anyway?

    Who i want to win will depend on how well gosling amalfitano birifmina or marveuax step up and can fill in for tiote

  • 5 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    I can understand the way the ACON has been run to have four comps in the last five years instead of missing a year to bring things into line and it is mostly to do with money generation.

    Although a good argument can be made for the political benefits of the comp, but I do think that it’s just more to do with the money and profile .

  • 6 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Good news re ACON, Sorry to re post but need to gauge opinion.

    Get guidetti, toivanen and maybe look at larsson from the unwashed. in a midfield 3 with tiote and cabaye, he could chip on with a goal or 3. Worth a thought.

    Probably all 3 for less than de jong. we looked at larsson when he was at brum didn’t we.

  • 7 Robby Bobson // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    You like swedes dont you?

    Larsson wouldnt be that cheap at all..

    should just get gameiro!

  • 8 sweendog // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    no wonder we couldn’t get de jong we’re negotiating with munsters
    Joop Munsterman is the chairman of Twente .. negotiations were doomed from the start..

  • 9 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    I like anyone whos interested in coming, we’re due some scandanavian talent. especially after…..
    andreas andersson.

  • 10 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    I like anyone whos interested in coming, we’re due some scandanavian talent. especially after…..
    andreas andersson.

    a habit i got on champ. manager/fifa sign a few players from same country helps their morale.

  • 11 Robby Bobson // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Olsson from blackburn is the swede i would like

  • 12 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    yorkshireToon @ # 3

    that is of course that we were seriously in for Mariappa.

    Personally I do not believe we were.

    I for one feel that we build our wish list and set a max purchase price for all our targets, we then set about going for them.

    When we miss out on the primary target we just cut loose and move on to the second choice and so on and so forth.

    Of course there has to be a point that we would be “happy to go ahead with” what we have and I for one am happy that we no longer desperately chase signing just for the fact of getting a body in.

    I am more than happy to know that when Twente bumped the price we did not go chasing, and if we can’t get the targets at prices we are happy with then we will not bring in bodies just for the sake of it.

  • 13 ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Does anyone think PSV would sell that Jetro Willems better potential than pieters and aly cissokko and surely cheaper??
    Also does anyone know much about Jamaal Lascelles of nottingham Forest, seems to be a strong young english center back??

  • 14 Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Why would the Mackems sell to us??
    Toivenen seems a bit old to me – would rather get someone much younger.
    A raid on PSG would be great; Matuidi, Gameiro and Sakho would make our team unbelievable!

  • 15 JDdubai // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Don’t think we need a centre forward, it’s a creative winger we need. If HBA gets injured who do we have????

    Don’t say Jonas as he isn’t the same league, marveaux has to get through more than 8 games a season before he can be relied upon, which leaves…………

    We have no creative back up for HBA, shud have Hoilett and then look for some exciting creative dribbling youths to act as back up.

    Ba is Cisse’s reserve as CF, if we got guidetti, where would he play? Not wide left, and not be first choice CF either and he doesn’t want to be a reserve for city so why come here?

  • 16 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Shame olsson couldnt have been part of the best deal

  • 17 sks_toon // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    COME ON IVORY COAST!!

  • 18 sks_toon // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    @JDdubai

    My neighbor in the UAE, I think we should sign Brahimi, the same sort of player as HBA, younger and cheaper than the other options but he can be deadly someday if used correctly.

  • 19 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON @ # 13

    Such a poor name choice, taking into consideration what the England team have achieved post 1966.

    So do you want NUFC to languish in no better than mid table as that is just where we would be with an English team in fact even with the England squad I doubt we would be no better than mid table.

    Or are you just being small mindedly bigoted?

  • 20 jesperfuglsang // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    I was watching the CAN – lets call it that now – earlier this year and it was dreadful :( now I do understand every footballer wants to represent his country and rightly so.

    But, as Ed pointed out the CAN is the only major tournament that takes place during the major leagues and not in the players holiday.

    With more and more African’s – if not most of them that participate in the CAN playing in the major leagues in Europe, maybe they should consider that in the future.

    It is a money’s game and a game for the spectators – without them there will be no CAN or any other tournaments for that matter.

    Another ting it takes up too much time; the European Championship or the World Cup takes place over 14 days or so. It is more respectful to the players and their families and more respectful to their individual clubs.

    I am probably going to get slags for this from some of you. It is just an opinion feel free to share yours :)

  • 21 yorkshireToon // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Cupiddstunt I agree with everything your saI’d there tbh just assuming Senegal dont beat ivory coast which I can’t see, I don’t think we are In desperate need of a striker I think we should rotate ba and cisse and are main area we need to strengthen is defence

  • 22 Beardo // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Who’s up for a Xisco disco?

  • 23 ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    cupiddstunt – as it stands with simpson leaving? We will have 1 British man in our starting 11 (steven Taylor) there is plenty of English talent out there and yes many are overpriced but its clubs like Nufc and arsenal that stunt our national teams progression, not saying i want 11 englishmen starting but would be nice to see homegrown talent integrated with the continental talents???

  • 24 jesperfuglsang // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Beardo

    probably Xisco ;)

  • 25 jesperfuglsang // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON

    “but its clubs like Nufc and arsenal that stunt our national teams progression”

    How is that I might ask? If a player is neither good enough and at the same time way too expensive, how can you blame the likes of NUFC or Arsenal?

    It’s the young players of Britain who has been brought up to believe they are all world beaters and they can demand silly money.

    Football in England has gone mad over the last 10 years; way too much money involved and everyone wants a slice of the cake.

    See how well you’re doing at the EC or the WC; I actually think you did well this year and not that Denmark is any better. But you get my point…I hope ;)

  • 26 ToonDownSouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON

    “but its clubs like Nufc and arsenal that stunt our national teams progression”

    Bollocks! Do you think Pardew & Wenger are saying “Get me 3 good young French players” ??

    No! They’re saying “Get me 3 good young players”.

    Where do you think the budget to sign all these Englishmen would come from? Have you seen the prices paid over recent seasons? One Englishman worthy of our starting 11 would likely cost £10m +, atleast!

  • 27 Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    We seriously need to sort out our youth academy. We lost the likes of Adam Johnson because our’s isn’t up to scratch – heck even ‘Boro have a better one!

  • 28 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    English,
    That’s the short term drawback, hopefully the academy will develop what you/we would like to see.

    We need to achieve/maintain a certain standard now in the most cost efficient way the majority of british talent is overpriced

  • 29 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON @ # 23

    Personally I think the problem of poor English players is far deeper rooted than just clubs like NUFC and arse buying foreign players hence stunting the English players development.

    Look at the number and quality of coaches at grass root level and you will see that we are far far behind other countries in developing the game.

    That aside English players are over the whole sub-standard so as I asked before do you really want to have NUFC little better than mid table and that is assuming that we buy the England squad to play for NUFC, or is your nom de plume intended to be somewhat bigoted as it clearly contradicts your current post?

  • 30 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    sks_toon @ 18…

    Im with you, Brahimi would be my choice ;)

  • 31 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    The problem that stunts our national team is the fault of every club side.

    Kids are selected for pace, height and strength as oppose to technical ability. Clubs are changing their attitudes now but the problem is English coaches and academies until very recently have been picking players for the wrong reasons.

    And the blame Being placed on Newcastle and arsenal is utter tripe.

    During the 70s and 80s the league was made up of mainly British players and England were still terrible then.

  • 32 Dannyo // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    @English players 4 toon
    British players suck mate, atleast the majority of them. Not many of them possesses technical ability like HBA, Collo, Gutti etc.
    That’s where football is headed, problem is, England are stuck 20 years behind.
    Time to move on.

  • 33 Beattie25 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    The fault lies with people like Keegan who wanted to buy the best players rather than concentrate of bringing them through!

    Newcastle are in transition on have lots of British 16 year olds pushing and they’ll be playing in 4-5 years. For the moment I couldn’t care if they were all from mars if it brought us 3 points on a Sunday.

    Keegans vision was the reason we missed out on Carrick, some goon before missed out on Shearer and we are trying to buck that trend.

  • 34 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I do agree we need more players coming through the academy, whether they are English, British, European or from anywhere in the world is irrelevant.

    But it is important that we don’t miss out on local kids who could move up through the ranks. The problem is if the local lads aren’t there, there is nothin that can be done.

    Hopefully the club can improve its academy and get that level one status so we can have a top youth set up. Would love us to bring in some continental coaches to work with ours for the whole of the youth set up.

  • 35 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    rich_toonfan @ # 31

    You have a little something there if you read the “statement” from our latest signing.

    He went to Coventry asking for permission to train with their youth and was told that was not how it was done he had to be scouted in order to be in with a chance of getting in.

    They then shouted after him when they seen how fast he was when he jogged of back home.

    In reality they should have said something like come on such and such a day (his age group) and we will see what you can do.

    What would have happened had the lad just got into a car or walked to the local bus stop to head off home.

    Too rigid and too blinkered a youth system in this country.

  • 36 petesull // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    I might get slated for this but how about park from united…… Looks like he’s available….. I know he’s old but he never gives up and he can play anywhere along the midfield…… Good squad player…… Just always liked him for man u

  • 37 Toon_Tom // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    petesull – Park is now at QPR mate :/

  • 38 Novocastrian66 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    cupiddstunt is correct. The lack of English talent is due to a lack of investment in grassroots football.
    There is investment going into accadamies but this is for the elite young players.
    Young players form the age of six are not learning to play the modern game.
    Try teaching a six year old to pass and develop close control when their formative years are spent playing and training on paddy fields.
    By the time English players are recruited into acadamies they are already miles behing their continental couterparts.
    We need to upgrade training facilities across the country, so young players are developing ball skills from the first day the pick up a ball. Not playing catch up when they are 14 / 15. This will only come with massive investment.
    St George’s Park is window dressing, a token effort by the F.A.

  • 39 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Park has already joined qpr.

    He is a player who works hard but has a very indifferent end product. We have a couple players like that already, we need to bring in quality now.

  • 40 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Said it before and people shot me down. But if its a creative dribbling player you want to add then Adel Taraabt would probably be cheap as chips. Yes he has a rep for being a tool but so did HBA. Have faith in Pards man management. It not hard to be a tool under Neil Warnock.

    Im not convinced by De Jong at that price at all. ANd im just flat out not convinced by Guidetti but a bunch of Dutch people have given glowing reviews (even rival fans) think he’d be too expensive personally.

    Forwards wise for me it has to be Hoilett, Gameiro, Toivonen (horribly underrated on this blog) or the best prospect Luc Castaignos (who is heavily linked with Everton so I’m sure we could get him)

  • 41 Beattie25 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Lgfaud

    I agree with you mate regarding Taarabt!

  • 42 jimmyxavi // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON

    If that is your view you are highly ignorant to the English game. The problem starts at grass roots level – The coaches, scouting system and the general style of football. Take Step 7 & 8 league teams – They all now have u19′s that play in a competitive league but they are still being told that they should be hoofing the ball up the pitch and letting the strikers chase it! I have played in various semi pro teams that still teach you to “get rid” instead of playing a short pass.

    Also many of the English coaches are if the mentality that a player should be “big and strong” – Players of a smaller size but with better technical skills are pushed aside – It happened to me at an early age at school boy level. Players are developed from a young age to play a style of football – If the FA who give the coaching badges developed smaller, 1 – 2 touch technical drills we would be in a better position!

    Also anytime an English player shows a spot of potential a massive sum of money is needed to purchase him – Henderson, Young, Rooney for example.

  • 43 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    I dot think we need state of the art facilities for 6 year olds. Not many countries have that at grass roots.

    What we need to have is proper coaching. A lot of grass roots is done by parents and volunteers helping out. The FA needs to give as much advice as possible to these people so they coach the right skills into the kids and they learn to keep the ball from a young age.

    A lot of parents coaching teams will be going off what they new growing up and coaching methods and style of play has changed now.

  • 44 petesull // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Sorry lads…… Don’t get the news as fast in oz…….

  • 45 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Old red nose purchased Park for £4M 7 years ago. He has now sold him 7 years later for £5M. Making a £1M profit!

  • 46 petesull // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Also lads…. Would it be hard to get tickets for the Sunderland game next April….. Trying to plan a trip back home around the time of the match……

  • 47 Dannyo // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    It’s about teaching younguns to dribble past players rather than running past or muscle past.

  • 48 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    LGF

    I’m not convinced about Taarabt….but not opposed to going for him either.

    I think he is similar to hoilett…he has the skill, can operate at pace and he has an eye for goal….he also has a killer pass.

    It is difficult to judge hoilett and taarabt as they were technically good players who were playing in a technically poor side. They will have had to adjust there play to fit in with the other lads…If they had the chance to play with ben arfa, cabaye, cisse and the rest then they wouldn’t have to do as much themselves and could rely on the team.

    I think a formation like:

    ———————–Krul———————-
    simmo——-taylor——collo——-santon
    ———————–tiote———————-
    ————–cabs————tarrabt———-
    —–benny—————————marvoux
    ——————-cisse/ba———————-

    that would cause teams a lot of problems.

  • 49 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    rich_toonfan

    Agree re: England

    We have a stubborn inbuilt idea of how football should be played which is pre-historic and just doesnt work on an international level. That coupled with the fact that because we have largely failed to breed technically gifted players our league relies on foreign exports further stunting the development of our own players.

    England will never challenge for any competition title until our teams can field at least 5 native players that could contend for the national team.

    Now the situation is a bit of a catch 22 because, in order to improve on an international level we would have to somewhat stunt the league by forcing it to birth mainly english players, as a result our league standard would fall, teams like Arsenal, Manure, Citeh would no longer be able to compete (or be even less able) in the Champions League etc. (FOR A WHILE)

    The only answer in my mind is to create an equivalent to institutions in France like Clarefontaine. Hopefully this St. Georges base will be that. Then the problem will be the manner in which clubs recruit these players. Will they be contracted to a club and sent to the base? If that’s the case, how will it be decided who gets the privilege of training at this “Centre for excellence”.

    We need a system that mirrors the American college system IMO. Not necessarily tied into educational institutes. But the advantage in American (eg NFL) is that players are “broken” in before they are drafted (or not drafted). This prevents them being caught up and lost in the machine (which the Cov manager was on about with Gael). Playing college football can be seen as the equivalent of playing in a reserve or youth squad (somewhere in between in truth) but the difference is that they are playing at a level much closer to that of the NFL than our Reserves and Youth do in relation to the Prem.

    ANOTHER ESSAY

  • 50 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    @petesull

    last time tickets sold out before the went on general sale

    to beat this you can sign up to be a member with the club, £25 for a year then you can get tickets early and would have a decent chance of getting hold of sum from the official club website.

  • 51 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Let’s take liverpool as an example.
    They bought Downing, Carroll and Henderson for a total sum of 60-70million Pounds.

    They are all touted as being some of the best Young English talent. Where did Liverpool finish?, How many goals did Judas accumulate? How many goals and assist’s did Downing accumulate? Did Henderson even accomplish anything?

    Thats 60-70mill down the drain.

    Until there are actual quality young players in a similar mould to Chamberlain, then maybe it would be worth bringing in young english talent. As of now there is only a handful of young english of that calibre and they are all overpriced.

  • 52 cupiddstunt // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Personally I think we should ban the wearing of football boots before the age of 14/15 as if you look at global football the players that appear to have the best first touch and close control are those that have been unable to play in boots before they were spotted as potentials and kitted out.

    I remember being taught to improve my right foot (I’m left footed) by playing with a slipper or sandshoe on the left to encourage me to use the right more.

    A large % of our top players have stated that they played in bare feet to start with, and having played bare footed I can attest to the fact that it hurts kicking a ball bare footed ( I played when the balls were leather casing with a bladder and had a lace closing the valve cover) so you are encouraged to play shorter passes and have a softer touch in receiving the ball.

    Some of the main attributes of a class player, soft first touch, clean passer, good striker of the ball these skills improve by playing without boots.

  • 53 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    rich_toonfan

    When we were linked with Taraaabt the year QPR came up he was a different player. He had spent a year taking the absolute p!55 in the champ basically being a 1 man team. This season he has had to perform a different role in a new system that isnt just pass the ball to Adel he do the rest, just provide protection.

    He seemed to have a quite season in the prem and he did goal wise BUT if you watched him on the pitch he was adapting into a very good creative player. At 23 years old I really think he is a hot prospect if people can manage him. But then again he will naturally mature with age like Benny.

  • 54 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM

    On the subject of young English talent, I’d really like to see how a midfield consisting of

    Chamberlain—-Wilshere—-Mceachran——-Johnson
    would cope. That could potentially be out future midfield, and all 4 of them have shown that they have the ability to become great players.

  • 55 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Dondatta13
    Jul 07 – 1:13 PM
    Old red nose purchased Park for £4M 7 years ago. He has now sold him 7 years later for £5M. Making a £1M profit!

    £1 mil on transfers but park is the reason they have a massive asian fan base and have done many pre seasons on the asian continent may of only made £1 mil on transfer profit but can garuntee hes made them millions off there asain fan base

  • 56 Novocastrian66 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    rich. Know what you’re saying mate, however I think the conditions we have to endure in this country are a contributing factor to the lack of ability to be able to control and pass the ball, as compared to Southern Europe.
    We should be looking to lead the world in terms of facilities and coaching.
    We have the richest league in the world and more professional clubs than most countries in the world.
    The clubs need to make a bigger contribution in my opinion, to local grass roots football.

  • 57 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    @lfg

    I think clubs will naturally produce good english players in the current system

    if UEFA is serious about financial fair play (i’m not convinced they would kick man utd or the likes out of the competition, just be a token fine) the clubs will need to use their academies to bring the kids through to balance the books.

    I also think that financial incentives would help….if the premier league instead of splitting TV money as they do (50% evenly shared, 25% for league position and 35% for amount of times on TV) that could help.

    Say the premier league distributed 25% for tv appearances instead on the amount of players named in the 25 man squad who qualify for england….it might encourage more teams to invest in the academy and lower levels.

    English coaching styles are changing, albeit slowly, which should mean our own youngsters will be competing with world youngsters soon.

    The Germany manager, Lowe, did a good interview last week. He said it was only 6/7 years ago Germany decided to be more technical and move away from their tradition of strength and discipline and select technical players.

    He was confident England could do a similar thing if they were fully committed as the Germans were. We have some good youngsters who could make the grade, oxlaid-chamberlain, wilshire, cleverley, ferguson (for us), kyle walker, ryan bertrand, phil jones, smalling….I imagine there are many more who are between 10-16 in academies now as well.

  • 58 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    56Novocastrian

    I think too much is made of facilities….yes use them if we can, spend as much as possible, it is never a negative to improve the standard of the training areas at all…totally agree there. I think the training of coaches is more important though…but a balance needs to be struck between the two.

    In countries like Brazil kids play on the street, with is being an uneven surface there control improves etc.

    I do think the FA needs to offer a lot more free coaching around the UK to get people who run youngsters teams trained to a decent level and knowing some good drills.

    Also the new coaching centre is good, would like to see a few of them spread around the country though…maybe 6 or 7 centres in each region with the very best going to the central one.

  • 59 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    my previous comment…i never meant ferguson for us as a good english player….i meant to type adam campbell.

    my bad

  • 60 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Think also we need to be patient with our acadamy keegan demolished it we patched it back together but it seems now MA really wants to re develop the entire set up which we as a club wont fully benefit from for a good 5-8 years yet so for now the club will have to buy in young prospects til we started developing our own again

  • 61 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    jimmyxavi

    Yes.

    We need to bring a bunch of French coaches at grass roots level.

    France have always had a great track record with producing good football players.

  • 62 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    I think the FA should look at the coaching set up.

    Possibly bring in continental coaches to assist our guys and send our coaches over to other countries to learn there trade….sure the FA could pay clubs to have our coaches do a work placement for a couple months in other clubs.

  • 63 nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    All we need;
    full back, starter = debuchy
    centre half, young eventually colo’s replacement = Good
    striker, young (content with not starting just yet) = Guidetti

  • 64 Kyo // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Just saw on twitter. Simmo offered 4 year contract with Southampton. 27.5k per week.

  • 65 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    toonarmydownsouth@55…

    I don’t think I put my point across too well.

    I was more leaning towards Ol red nose getting £5M for a 31 year old. He’s a wile old godger that Fergie lol (no offense to our senior citizens).

    Believe me I understand all the value in having a far east star on your books and now they have Kagawa that ball is still rolling for them.

  • 66 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    rich_toonfan

    Yeah i remember reading that Lowe interview. Gave me hope.

    We do have some good youngsters like Oxade and our under 21s arguably play a nicer brand of football.

    BUT we do need some serious overhaul of our nationwide youth set up.

    People keep talking about our promising Euro display but in reality it was cheap tactics and luck. Most of the games we played we were the lesser team for the best part.

    I’ve said it before but there is only one really decent academy in the Prem and that’s Arsenal. But it is largely made up of young foreign prospects. The interesting thing though is that Arsenal play quite a continental attractive style of football but all of their coaches and backroom staff are largely old, traditional english players.

  • 67 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Dondatta13
    Fair play mate aye kagawa should keep the market buzzing for them

  • 68 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    @nobby sol

    Agree with your ideas….think the CB can be young but has to be ready for first team…as there is a good chance saylor won’t play the full season.

    striker would have been good being de jong but it doesn’t seem likely at that quoted fee.

  • 69 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    64Kyo

    Guess that’s bye bye Simmo then. He’s bound to take it.

    Personally I will be sorry to see the lad go. Would prefer a better RB but i think he has served the club well over the past 2 seasons. I’m probably alone in that though

  • 70 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    Also I think in the years to come North Africa could be the ideal place to scout. Places like Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco. They do have some canny players. The reason their countries fail to compete is because they all opt to play for France.

  • 71 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    @LGF

    totally agree about the England performance at the Euros.

    If we go for that style we will never seriously compete…we might win something but it wont be often.

    For example….look at chelsea…they won the champs league playing defensive, boring football, however it worked for them.

    Think though against barca they went through not because they defended everything well but barca missed about 4/5 good, good chances and a penalty.

    Munich also should have won, gomes missed a lot for them and they were wasteful.

    If chelsea played that champions league campaign another 10 times I dont think they would win it….it jsut so happened luck was in their favour that time. The same would apply to England.

  • 72 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    Nobby sol
    Not so sure Guidetti would want to come here either the main reason he wants to leave city hope we get him looks like a great little player but not sure if he’d be content on the bench

    Also have seen nearly enough of good to know if hes anywhere near first team and i think its a dangerous game to rely on staylor all season

  • 73 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    @LGF

    simmo did well for us but needs to be upgraded…think most fans agree with you there.

    simmo was ideal when we were in championship and when we were in mid-lower level prem league…to maintain our current place we need to upgrade.

    Thats the sign of a good manager….loyalty but not stupidity…simmo did well but pardew knows his time has come and we need to look for better.

    I think thats why simmo rejected the contract we offered….it will have been a squad player salary and not first time which will have shown him he would not be a starter in the future

  • 74 toonarmydownsouth // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Kyo whats the transfer fee being mentioned??

  • 75 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    rich_toonfan

    Right about Barcelona. They couldve nicked another goal if they werent so determing on getting it into the box. Could understand why they didnt try a few more shots from outside of the box.

  • 76 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    @lgf

    even barca playing as they did they had a lot, sanchez’s chip which hit the bad, iniesta wasting a few, messi the same and the penalty…9 times out of 10 barca would have gone through.

  • 77 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    agree simmo needs to be upgraded but i feel it would have been better to let him run his contract down. i think RB is a very weak position at this club.

    Maybe if the board had a very Frank talk with him and said look we need the squad depth here. There is interest in you. Sign a one year contract extension but you have our word we will let you go January of next Summer depending on how much game time you are getting

  • 78 ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    LGF are you Mad “RB is a very weak position at this club” “We need the Squad Depth”???? We dont have any Left Backs, Only 2 Decent CB’s one of which is extremelly injury prone
    Perch
    Raylor
    Santon
    Simpson
    Tavernier
    All right backs

  • 79 Levi // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    @77
    right back is a weak position? ye i agree we need a new right back but we dont need debuchy and simpson. we got santon,jonas,perch,raylor,saylor who could all do a decent job. not for a 1st choice right back though we need simpson OR debuchy as a 1st choice. and i will be hoping to see tavernier in a couple of games this year

  • 80 Levi // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    @english players 4 toon

    agree with your last post apart from we dont have 2 decent cbs we have a decent injury prone centre back and a world class cb. and also you forgot jonas on your list who as far as i can tell can do a ok job anywhere. i would trust him to do a alright job in goal lol

  • 81 sks_toon // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Ba and Cisse ommited from the Olympics

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18754732?

  • 82 sks_toon // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    I just hope they arent angry with the club and are understanding

  • 83 ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Buys For Me

    LB – Williems from Psv (had a great euro campaign)
    RB – Clyne
    CB – Stephen Caulker/jamaal lascelles
    CM – Ramsay/Ross Barkley
    LW – Elia

    Either a RB or a LB, need a young CB these two have potential to be international in a few years and should come cheap. The rest self explanotory, all depends what formation Pardew wants to play this season, i think the modern game is moving towards 4-2-3-1 and this would accomodate all our top players??

  • 84 seantoon // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Disagree mate williems was awful he showed he’s not up to the level yet but he’s young got a good future ahead of him. We need someone who can go straight into the team. And Caulker has just signed a new deal he isn’t for sale

  • 85 ~Perchinho the Pheonix~ // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Ramsey won’t leave Arsenal for us.
    Arsenal are in the Champions league and he has easier competition in their Midfield. He will get more games at Arsenal then he will if he came to Newcastle. As he is simply not good enough to dethrone Cabaye and Tiote.

    If he leaves Arsenal it would be to a team that can give him more playing time then Arsenal can.

  • 86 nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON

    all young with potential, no doubt about that, but clyne and elia are the only realistic ones for us and Id be personally disaapointed with them 2.

    we only need 3, possibly 4 players should we sell simpson

  • 87 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Ramsey would get plenty game time with us…he would come into a 3 with tiote and cabaye..not replace one of them.

    At arsenal he has to compete with arteta, wilshire, song, diaby, rosicky.

    I think he is a top talent, just he needs time to get back into his stride after the injury.

  • 88 Kyo // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    @tads

    no idea what the fee is, only read about the wage and length of deal.

  • 89 Sazzer // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    This 19 year old learned few tricks from Ronaldinho.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vab70Y3VZRY

  • 90 JAMSHA // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Any1 agree a swap deal ? £1mil + simo for debuchy .

  • 91 nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    first team
    krul
    debuchy taylor colo santon
    gutierez cabaye tiote
    ben arfa cisse ba

    Fa cup/ league cup/europa league choices
    elliot/harper
    simo/tav willo perch/good rtaylor/fergy
    ober/amalf bigi gosling/vuckic marveuax/sammy
    ameobi/ranger guidetti/xisco

  • 92 JAMSHA // Jul 7, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Any1 agree a swap deal ? £1mil + simo for debuchy ..

  • 93 rich_toonfan // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    don’t think they would take simmo…and also don’t think he would fancy france.

    swap deals never work…too hard getting both players to agree to a deal.

  • 94 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON

    Just because I said RB is weak doesnt mean I dont think LB is weak too!!!!

    My point was aiming at the fact Simmo was our best option at RB last season. We sell him for, say a certain French man, said friend of Cabaye’s gets injured or is knackered from extra games, we then have to play Raylor/Perch/Unproven, not ready Tavs.

    Ideally we need a new LB and RB and CB.

    But I’ve always though Raylor was better at LB than at RB from what we have seen. At least him being right footed means he is stronger on the inside where it counts more in 1-0n-1 situations.

    Fergie to me is no LB yet, and is nowhere near ready to come into the squad.

    On Ramsey, Arsenal would never let him leave they really rate him. He had a decent season considering his absolutely horrific injury.

  • 95 nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    can anyone tell me if craigcoozy still comes on here?

  • 96 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Nobby Sol..

    I don’t think the regular 1st teamers would be all to happy having fought tooth and nail to get into Europe to then be totally overlooked in that competition.

    Also playing that team you suggested in the FA cup and League cup will not break our trophy drought. We desperately need to claim a prize and nurture a winning mentality into the squad.

    I feel that the balancing act Pardew has to do this season with selection will be more a kin to tinkering as opposed to wholesale changes imho.

  • 97 ENGLISH PLAYERS 4 TOON // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Why the F**K would we bid 10m for an unproven striker who would most probably be third choice after Cisse and Ba, but seem unwilling to spend the big bucks in defence, i love saylor but he is a bit of a liability with injurys, spend the de jong money on a world class partner for Collo and we will already be 10x better than last season!!!

  • 98 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Also re lb/rb debate.

    i’d much rather have Jonas as a backup LB (when needed, moving Santon to RB) than have Raylor/Perch as back up RB.

    Tw@tter is loaded with an apparent player plus cash deal from Barcelona for RVP.

    That would be a great deal for Arsenal is they can pull it off.

  • 99 ToonMauritius // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    http://football-talk.co.uk/65085/sturridge-set-for-10m-move/?
    Interesting

  • 100 JAMSHA // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Dont need sturridge, insted get guditti an that young inter milan kid . Thats better than spendn on 1 striker the whole 10mil..

  • 101 nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Dondatta13

    i agree pal, i meant those were selections to put in there for injured/suspended/ tired players when the games pile up, and when it gets serious eg. fa cup 5th round carling quarters and europa last 32, first teamers take up the reins

  • 102 geoff777 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    I haven’t posted for ages … but this sucks.

    Stopping Cisse from going to the Olympics is really bad.
    If your country wants you to represent them at the Olympics, it’s a huge honour.

    It’s pre-season. FFS.

    Colo won it and said it was amazing, the biggest honour.

    To stop Cisse going to the Olympics when it is in our country and the club are making money from the Olympics using St James’ as a venue … it sucks.

    Probably too late now as Senegal have announced their squad.

    If I was Cisse I’d be pissed. Very pissed.

    First mistake by the club since the SD arena bollox.

    Let’s hope Cisse isn’t as angry as he should be.

  • 103 RobertNufc25 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    nobby sol // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Think Craig Coozy got caught by his boss giving information out about who was staying at his hotel.

    Havn’t seen him on here from then….

  • 104 davybtoon // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    U lot seen the rumours on twitter Mancini has left city to become Russia manager

  • 105 davybtoon // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Geoff – if this wasn’t cisse first pre season at the club I doubt there would b a problem, but is n I agree with the club we need him more than Senegal n let’s face it they ain’t getting anywhere near the medals

  • 106 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    I don’t envy Pardew this season with regard to selection…

    I do feel that it is vital for this set of players to start winning something (League cup?). Get a winning mentality flowing through the club and having that filter through to the youth ranks (even thou the bairns have been flying).

    We have to get the monkey off our backs that we haven’t won anything in a generation.

    Although we do need to maintain league progress as well.

    Question… Would you take a League cup win and say an eight (8th) place league finish. Given that this would insure another Europa league assault?

    Or

    Would you go all out for Champions League and the promises that brings (Cash money, exposure)?

    It’s a tough tough call.

  • 107 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    geoff777

    Agree.

    Tiote, Ba, Cisse all place a great amount of importance on playing for their countries.

  • 108 Vask // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Nobby Sol, I’ve never seen a craigcoozy post on here, i’ve been following for a coupla years.

    I do live next to a kid called coozy, whose first name is craig. Shall I drop a note through his letterbox?

  • 109 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    I’ll be honest Id rather screw the cups (not totally but not do a Brum and waste all energy on winning) and ensure good league finishes and keep in Europe.

    It easier to attract players based on that then it is based on “we only finished 8th but we won a cup.

  • 110 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    I’m sure the club would have discussed the Olympics with our stars before running the rule on the final decision. They would have gauged the reaction of the players before making the call. I’m sure it’s not a major conflict in the making.

  • 111 sks_toon // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    I think guditti would cost us more than 5 million

  • 112 geoff777 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    @Dondatta13

    I’d rather go for an Olympic gold for my country than play a friendly for my club in Cardiff.

    I can’t see Cisse thinking any differently.

    Personally I think this is a very bad move.
    Made 1000x worse because the games are in our country.

  • 113 davybtoon // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Getting the players ready for what will b a tougher season than last year is more important for Nufc

  • 114 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Dondatta13

    112geoff77

    Theyprobably reasoned that with Europa qualifiers and potentially being absent for ACON that it just isnt healthy for the club that pays their wages.

    The lads both seem down to earth so hopefully they will understand the clubs concerns. It certainly could upset them though

  • 115 LGFUAD21 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    davybtoon

    true it is a very important pre season. I think thats why we have arranged a more challenging one than last season.

    Is Cardiff on the 4th. May have to make the trip have family there

  • 116 Novocastrian66 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Rich. Sorry mate I’ve been at graft, I wasn’t ignoring you. I think we’re making the same point but from different ends. In terms of coaching you’re absolutely correct. Spain have considerably more qualified coaches than England and look at them. The FA should find a method of funding full time coaches possibly through schools and are outside of the education system. I’ve no idea how much this would cost. The problem with the FA’s current programme is it is for the elite. Standards need to rise across the whole spectrum. Like I said earlier it’s all fur coat and no knickers!

  • 117 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    geoff777, We have no idea what was said behind closed doors. What we do know is Pardew is very much a father figure to these lads. That’s how our team spirit is so high.

    I am fully confident that the decision was made taking the pros and cons into account. We/the club would not risk upsetting the applecart. The players themselves are very intelligent. I’m sure when faced with the season ahead and all the games that includes the club and players together made the correct decision.

    Time will tell but I honestly don’t think they will be up in arms about it. So I don’t see why we should be at this moment in time.

    Relax, Pardews got this ;)

  • 118 geoff777 // Jul 7, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    There’s a Geordie lass qualified to represent Team GB in the 2012 London Olympics.

    She works for .. (SD? in Newcastle as a sales assistant). They won’t let her represent her country because they are building up to big sales period.

    She’s got a good chance of gold but can’t afford to see her contract torn up.

    Does that suck or what?

    btw Senegal has only ever won one silver medal and would go crazy if a gold was won.

  • 119 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    geoff777, honestly my friend I get the sense that there is some angst in your words….

    The person at SD has a very very easy decision to make. Very easy indeed! Go fight for the medal and re-asses her life after the games. It would take a fraction of a millisecond to get to the correct course of action.

    Of course SD are missing a trick if they really won’t let this young lady compete in the Olympics. Imagine having an Olympian working in a sports outlet? Oh the marketing possibilities!

    Again, please just try to relax. The club, Pardew, the players, all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

    Time will tell but I think it’s not that big of an issue imho.

  • 120 geoff777 // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    lol sure time will tell.

    But the chance to win an Olympic Gold medal shouldn’t be denied to someone because an employer in the sporting sector has a very very minor fixture for the employee to attend.

  • 121 Levi // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    can i just say the fa said no one who represented england at the euros can play in the olympics and i know it was only a few weeks before but they cant expect our players to go off 3 times in just over a year. and given the choice any player would choose any other tournament over the olympics.

  • 122 HullMag6 // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Englands problems lately stem from a few things but every coach has fallen into this trap. It isn’t just me but didnt they play better without rooney? Rooneys fit and we’re poor again. Sturridge may be worth hijacking if certain articles are to be believed.

  • 123 Dondatta13 // Jul 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    I see it like this…

    The young lady in SD (Newcastle?) has this one opportunity to change her life for the better, It’s a no brainer, she should (and most probably will) take her chance and go for it.

    Cisse & Demba have already made it (big time). They are intelligent men, as is Pardew. Like I say imho much ado about nothing.




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