The new Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has said that he will consider sending Andy Carroll out on loan next season, after the big striker disappointed last season with just 9 goals in 47 appearances for The Reds.
Andy Carroll – while on Tyneside
The problem Liverpool have had is that at least with ken Dalglish, the team didn’t play to Andy’s strengths at all, and when you do that you cannot expect to get the best out of the big striker.
Contrast that to the way Newcastle used Andy when he was his home town club, when the game plan meant putting high balls into the box and Andy would beat up on the center-backs and wore them out and set up some goals by knock-downs to other players, or put the ball into the back of the net himself.
Alan Pardew seems still to be a believer ion Andy Carroll and he had this to say yesterday to Sky Sports News, on the striker’s situation on Merseyside:
“There is a lot of talk about players when new managers go in and their situations get all cloudy.” “I don’t think that’s completely resolved, one way or the other. I wouldn’t really like to comment.”
“He did an absolutely terrific job here. I have always supported him while he has been at Liverpool when other people weren’t. I thought he got a bit of a raw deal, if I’m honest.” ”Not by Liverpool, just the media in general.”
“I think he’s going to be a great player, but where he treads the boards, so to speak, we will have to wait and see.”
If, and only if, Newcastle cannot bring in a young striker via a good permanent deal this summer, then they could turn to a possible loan deal for Andy Carroll, who could become the third striker for Newcastle next season.
That would be the cheaper option, and Newcastle could keep their money until a suitable striker becomes available, as they did last summer, and only have to pay for Carroll’s loan deal.
Certainly Newcastle could use Andy’s strengths to their benefit, but there has to be questions about whether Newcastle would bring a local lad back, who was willing to walk away from his home town club for big money elsewhere.
We think they would, but whether Andy would be willing to come back is another matter, and he may also get more playing time at Upton Park, with his big pal Kevin Nolan presumably trying got persuade him to spend a season down in east London.
We think Carroll will want to stay at Liverpool to fight for his place and try to make the Liverpool first team under new manager Brendan Rodgers, if he gets that chance.
And we saw from the comments on the blog yesterday, that there are still a number of Geordie fans who think he betrayed the club when he left in January of 2011, and that may be a problem too.
But Newcastle’s goal this summer is to bring in a new young striker, with their top target Luuk de Jong ruled out because he doesn’t want to come to Newcastle.
Our two top choices to bring in given the 21 year-old Dutchman wont come, are 20 year-old Swedish striker John Guidetti of Manchester City, and Dutch 19 year-old Luc Castaignos of Inter-Milan.
Both young strikers have enormous potential, and could be picked up for a reasonable fee, and both want first team football next season.
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50 responses so far ↓
1 Ben3arfa // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:30 AM
nope, fans dont like him .. wouldnt perform to the same level as when he was here
2 Ollieh51 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Wouldn’t want us to adopt that style.
We are hardly a massive team and can not start relying on aerial threats again when we can play more intricate football.
3 Tommyy // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:34 AM
Hope he doesn’t come back, he’ll only end up being the centre of attention and our football will cease to be football, more like headball.
Decent player but we are starting to play the ball along the deck, let’s keep it that way.
4 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:35 AM
No it doesn’t make sense. Please we are moving towards fast flowing attacking passing football, we don’t want to take a step back and have our CBS hoof the ball up to Carroll
5 Grafton83 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:35 AM
Repost: Why is everyone so sure Andy wants to come back. So much so that he’d take a massive pay cut?
I just can’t see it ever happening with his current contract. I’d take him back in a heart beat but its not happening anytime soon unless as we’ve done in the past, Liverpool pay some of his wages to help get rid of him.
6 Ben3arfa // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:35 AM
btw carroll only looked good playing for us because our team strategy at the time that he was here suited his strengths.
who remembers joey bartons crosses and free kicks and nolan’s play off carroll .. god that feels like a long time ago
but yer he would be more suited to a team like west ham than us .. big sam’s boys can hoof him all the long balls he wants lol
7 Tommyy // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:37 AM
Sounds as though we’re unanimous in our decision here… Next!
8 Rotonda heights // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM
I just don’t get this carrol thing at all. We pulled off the greatest robbery off all time getting 36M, came 5th, miles ahead of Liverpool with good passing football and people want him back – why!!!!
It would mean one thing only – Hoofball and getting drunk and in fights and being totally unprofessional off the pitch.
Why can’t people accept we are way better off with quality like Cisse and Ba who can make goals out of nothing and are athletes who don’t drink.
Why do you think Liverpool want rid?
9 Beattie25 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM
No a loan deal is not what we do.
If it was loan to buy for a future fee of 5 million then maybe.
Andy Carroll is like an ex girlfriend.
She calls you says let’s get it on and it seems an exciting proposition. But really think why you broke up in the first place. Why she left you. Is it really good to go back? Evaluate your current situation! Is it better now she’s gone? Have you benefited from splitting up? Is there better options out there or are you going to go back to the whore that broke you’re heart? She might be great at what she does but eventually you’ve got to say no. I am a better man for knowing you and a better man since you left. I have learnt a valuable lesson and I will find another woman to treat me right. And I would say to her ‘you’ve made your bed now lie in it!’ if the boot was on the other foot and it was we that were struggling and he having a great time would he come to our aid??
Andy your dumped
10 jbkeel9 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Don’t want him he’s a waste of time wish we wud stop gettin linked 2him, out with the old on with the young and New
11 Rotonda heights // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM
Beattie
Superb analogy.
12 BenbulbenMag // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:40 AM
Yes he left, and that has left a bitter taste in many peoples mouth. Particularly with fans who are Newcastle born and bred who would crawl over broken glass naked for a chance to pull on the no 9 shirt in James.
I can definitely understand that, however I do not think anyone can question whether he gave the side everything he had when he was on the pitch for us.
I was in the KOP last year (my wife supports Liverpool and I took her for her birthday) when Liverpool were playing Wolves. I remember when I left that day thinking that if the other 10 players wearing Liverpool jersies had put in 1/3 of the work that Carroll did that day they would have torn wolves apart.
Would he fit in ? I think if he scored a few goals fans would give him another chance. Could he fit in ? I don’t know, our gameplay was a little bit one dimensional when he was our only decent striker, but I think that a combination of him and cisse up front would scare the daylights out of most defenders.
He would give us an opportunity to mix things up and try something different.
I think the wages would be a sticking point and a loan deal would be unusual to say the least.
Would I be happy to see him back in the camp ? Definitely.
13 Valci // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:42 AM
Haha…same old same old english obsession. Like i was telling Rotonda the other day… why does having a powerful forward mean you HAVE to play hoofball?? By that logic Milan should only throw crosses to Ibrahimovic cause he’s taller then Carroll. Does that happen?…NO. Carroll is 23 and he has already showed signs of improvement as far as his ground game is concerned. If he is willing to take a pay cut and i think he is(i think he realized that he made a mistake leaving the Toon), i would take him back. Perfect type of striker for 4-2-3-1 with 3 pacey players behind him.
14 Hatem's better than Messi // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM
A definite yes from me.
We need a “Plan B” and Andy would be perfect.
15 TorqToon // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Magpie man – that would be my 1st choice starting XI ! Enables Ba and Cissé to truly form a formidable partnership, and with the 3 men (HBA, Cabs and Hoillett) behind would make our attacking prowess incredible. Mr T protecting a string backline. That’s dream material right there.
On AC, I would only go for a loan with a guaranteed option to buy for a set fee, otherwise its money down the pan. With the shear amount of games we will be playing this year, 4 string strikers is a must.
Yes he walked away from his hometown club and we all felt let down by him, but maybe he was influenced by the thought of a club that was going somewhere…and couldn’t see the bigger picture at the toon. Who knows…maybe he has learnt the hard way that the grass isn’t greener and of he starts banging in the goals for us again…in a squad rotation system as Ba and Cissé would be my 1st choice) then I’m sure that, eventually, people will forgive.
16 Magpie from Lithuania // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I don’t think we would play hoofball. Cisse is our main striker and Andy will give some other options. And imagine how cisse would score goals from Andy’s passes, he would thrive because he is pocher and is first to the ball in the box, and andy could also score himself, and our set pieces would be much more dangerous. Andy is not a bad footballer, he have good EPL experiance and could also score goals outside the box and is pacy enough to counter. I manager wants him i think he could find him a role to play. We wont use the same formation all year.. We will have to play 4-4-2, 3-4-3, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and so on, and playing to our players strenghts is important. Barca lost to chealsea because they could not change their formation..
17 Papiss_Myself // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:50 AM
This whole situation is just a pile of media tosh.
However if there is any trith to it and Andy WANTS to come back and play for the toon I say go for it.
He is a Geordie through and through and we can never forget why Liverpool paid £35 million for him and thats because he had a fantastic season with us.
If we can’t get another good striker through the door without making another Xsico error I say go for it.
But lets face it. It’s never going to happen.
18 Nick 69 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:52 AM
He would certainly offer us something different, and offer us a threat from set pieces, which we werent at all last season. I think Cisse and Ba would feed off him really well aswell, and with the likes of HBA and Cabaye’s delivery could be a good option, especially in Europe, a lot of continental team wouldnt know how to handle his style
19 RonVanDam // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Why should we re-structure to accomadate a player on loan while our loan term contracted players suffer. All we will be doing is polishing AC’s skills and increasing his value and sending him back to L’pool. Does nothing to help us one bit apart from create friction within the camp. We should only get him if he’s for sale.
While we are at it, why dont we get Clyne and Zaha to strengthen our defense which needs tightening. I bet we can get both for less than 10m. Both are English and will fetch us a good transfer fee if we do decide to sell them in future.
Along with Curtis good (dont know if we are still getting him) we could get them playing in the reserves and cup games and if any of our top players get injured, we’ll have someone to fill the gap with ease.
So fa we have bought cover in midfield: Romain (attacking) Gael (Defensive)
Could have:
Good + Clyne (Defenders)
Zaha (Wing)
Holliet (wing)
Need:
2 Backup strikers and a Keeper
This way we could rotate players and keep them fresh. Its going to be a long season
20 magpiebop // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:53 AM
4-2-4 the Z formation wii a slopey roof.
21 Scottiedog // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Forgive me if I am wrong, but don’t we get a % of the sell on fee if Carroll is sold??
22 RonVanDam // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Hahaha Beattie that was deep
23 Beattie25 // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Some of you are not thinking straight.
Andy Carroll would not go from bench duty to bench duty. He wouldn’t want to be our plan b and I wouldn’t want our plan b to be hoof ball.
There are other plans that can be created around better signings that will benefit our current team.
Carroll is a link to the past and nothing more. The future on Tyneside is bright and I’d rather spend that 10 million on someone who wants to be here because they want success not because they failed elsewhere.
24 Valci // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Jeez….someone need to explain what this obsession with hoofball is all about?!?! I’m sick of seeing this word thrown around everywhere…
25 Magpie from Lithuania // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:01 AM
——————————KRUL———————–
——————-SAYLOR———–COLO————
DEBOUCHY————–TIOTE————–SANTON
——————-CABAYE—-MARVEAUX————
—–BEN ARFA————-CISSE————-HOILLET
Also vukcic could play CAM (Marveaux instead of Hoillet then)
——————————KRUL———————–
——————-SAYLOR———–COLO————
DEBOUCHY————–TIOTE————–SANTON
——BEN ARFA———CABAYE———MARVEAUX
————————-CISSE——–BA———————–
——————————KRUL———————–
——————-SAYLOR———–COLO————
DEBOUCHY——-TIOTE——CABAYE——-SANTON
——–BEN ARFA———VUKCIC———–MARVEAUX
———————————CISSE——————————–
Cabaye as a deep laying play maker.
26 graham cwarr // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:02 AM
The Curtis good deal reeks or amalfitano. Bet he’s announced within a week. Hope we get hoilett. Marveaux, hoilett, Jonas and sammy for lw is more than enough depth.
I could see us subbing off a cisse or ba and putting hoilett cf late in games. Or hoilett and shola would be a good combo
27 RonVanDam // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:05 AM
QPR believe they have pipped Newcastle to Hoilett deal
http://www.westlondonsport.com/west-london-sport/qpr-believe-they-have-pipped-newcastle-to-hoilett-deal/
I personally dont think Hoilett has inked the deal
28 Magpie from Lithuania // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Yes, and don’t forget we have Supersub Shola, and i believe he will score a few goals in europe!
29 Magpie from Lithuania // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM
http://www.nufcblog.org/2012/07/why-this-evenings-chemnitzer-friendly-may-not-be-so-friendly/
30 Levi // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM
i just seen an interview on sky sports where pards said there wont be any signings for about a week but he expects a body to come in in the next 14 days. its going to be a slow week.
31 Szarka // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM
no. AC would be too expensive to be second striker, can play only as ST. Wont like to sit on the bench, and Liverpool want him to play too.
32 Magpie from Lithuania // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:12 AM
http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/qpr-battle-champions-league-club-for-hoilett-as-newcastle-step-aside_110696.html
but think we could find the agreement with him over the wage, 30k/week for him and after two year we can give him 45K/week
33 OoAhDembaBa // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:15 AM
All I can say is Pardew said before the January window a CB was top priority…we bought a 10mil striker. After that, I for one sometimes don’t buy into some of Pardews interviews.
34 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:17 AM
my top 10 favourite goals last season
10.ameobi against spurs
9.Ben arfa goal against bolton
8.Ryan Taylor volley against everton
7.cisse loft goal against swansey
6.guti goal against wolves at st James park
5.Ryan Taylor free kick against mackem s
4.ameobi last minute goal against mackem s
3.Ben arfa goal against bolton
2.cisse second goal against chelsea
1.Ben arfa goal against blackburn
35 Rotonda heights // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:20 AM
Valci
Teams who play with a Crouch / Carroll / Zigic type striker only play one way.
High crosses are almost as bad as hoofball because it’s just playing the percentages and hitting and hoping for the best. It’s a 50/50 at the best. Statiscally over 90% of arial balls are headed away by defenders facing away from their own goal.
That’s why we fail so badly in England. We win a 50/50 and immediately set it up to try and win another 50/50, There’s no keeping hold of the ball and no method.
Just as one example, although there are plenty more, when you see Cabaye play that ball for Cisse against stoke, that is football, vision, movement and execution. But people, want caveman Carroll, go figure!!!
36 graham cwarr // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:21 AM
@valci. Hoofball- noun. To play a long ball style of football to a big centre forward, “hoofing” the ball up the pitch. A proven strangely in lower English leagues which rarely works in the top flight.
“Sam allardyce is a big fan of Hoofball”
37 graham cwarr // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:21 AM
Strangely = strategy
38 Valci // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Right because Milan play hoofball for Ibra (1,95m) right? … And also, Arsenal are gonna be playing hoofball now that they bought Giroud(1,92m) right?? … seems to me that this is narrow-mindedness at it’s best. Seems like an english obsession to me … and i mean no offense but saying that you can only play hoofball with a powerful striker is indeed narrow minded.
39 Munster Mag // Jul 12, 2012 at 10:34 AM
Good post Ben Bulben.
40 corktoon88 // Jul 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM
WE have Shola for plan B, dont need him!
41 pbNcl // Jul 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM
NO!
42 ash1001 // Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Try forgetting the fact that Andy used to play for us, and the circumstances under which he left (not that many if any of us know the whole truth as to why it happened other than we got 35 million), then ask yourself the same questions -
1 – Would you have taken the supposed deal that was on offer from Liverpool.?
2 – then, if hes available would you have him at your club?
For my part the answer would be YES to both questions.
43 microbar // Jul 12, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Carol back at the toon not going to happen.
Ashley would not pay £15 mill or his wages of 75 k a week. So a big no lets move on now.
44 Visten // Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM
@HBTM. You my friend are spot on. This is about a Plan B let’s be honest. Games not going well by throwing Andy on and taking say Cisse off in a 4-3-3 or changing formation to 4-4-2 and taking Ba off is a graet option. But, and it is a big but, do you want a player who cost 10m and say 45k wages on the bench? If we are ambitious enough to build a big powerful squad then yes it must be done.
45 Rotonda heights // Jul 12, 2012 at 12:17 PM
valci
carroll does not have the skills of an ibrahimovic
46 HullMag6 // Jul 12, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Hand on heart I’d have him back, if he hadn’t gone we wouldnt be where we are today probably in dogfight for survival with the unwashed instead of playing with the big boys. His game is more than just hoofball, the hat trick against villa, he isn’t slow, he asks questions of defenders with how the club is now it might be better for him.
But, whatever happens let’s hope the squad gets strengthened.
47 XtraTimeAndPens // Jul 12, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Personally would like to see us go after Luc Castaignos. I’ve only seen bits and pieces of him but he looks like he’s a pretty rounded striker. Not as convinced by Guidetti but his record was great last season. I’m hardly an expert on either though so I’ll leave that decision up to Graham Carr.
As for Carroll, the main problem here I think would be Liverpool’s management and owners. Would they really want to lend one of their rivals a striker they bought from the same club for £35 million a year ago and pay a proportion of his wages. If he does leave on loan I think he’ll end up at West Ham with Nolan. They work well together and Carroll will probably enjoy the nightlife in London as well.
New blog up now as well. Feel free to check it out! It’s over at
http://www.extratimeandpenalties.com
48 Ericles // Jul 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM
No sense in making any arrangements with Carroll. He is part of our history. We are going in a better direction with the squad and style we are developing now. If we can get Debuchy and perhaps Hoilett on sensible terms now we will be going places. I am putting my trust in AP and his staff not in some player who left and did not make it except to the bank. If we can keep Cisse and Ba why do we need Carroll? At our stage now I really do feel Carroll would be a very destabilising and disruptive influence – Geordie or not!
49 JDdubai // Jul 12, 2012 at 1:45 PM
As a first choice, no Id rather get Hoilett in, keep Ba, Cisse and Shola and that would do us for the season or until January at least.
However if we are getting closer to deadline day and we havent got Hoilett or another forward in then a loan deal til January wouldnt hurt us.
But I cant see it happening as he would be 3rd choice if lucky, and Id rather go with Shola off the bench tbh so cant see Carroll leaving Liverpool to come here to be a reserve as thats why he will leave Liverpool. He will surely go somewhere to be the first choice striker and play every week, West Ham are looking to much of a perfect fit for him Id say.
50 Premiership Manager // Jul 12, 2012 at 9:10 PM
Carroll is without a doubt one of the best players in the league for unsettling defenders who cannot cope with his physicallity or power in the air. He is also one of the best players at holding the ball up and knock downs. he can score with either foot and his first touch has improved immensley since he played for us.
What is not to like? Did he ever have a dry spell like Demba’s? Alos is there a striker in the PL who is better at defending and clearing the goal line.
Too many people are narrow minded and forget that he is still a developing player and far from the finished article.
Demba is in his prime, Carroll has yet to reach his and IMO is a much better team player from goal to goal.
Carroll gives options both in attack and defence. He has been given a raw deal at Liverpool and by some of our fans.
Anybody who thinks he wouldn’t be a huge asset to Newcastle or any other club in the PL is living in cloud cukoo land.
I’d have him back tomorrow because with Cisse, Cabaye, HBA and possibly Hoilett playing off him, we would frighten the hell out of most of the teams in the PL
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