Newcastle Still Cannot Financially Compete With Big Clubs


Newcastle are sticking to their policy of spending their money in a very thrifty way, but hopefully longer term  Newcastle can become a much richer club, and then be able to compete more with the big boys – that’s the hope.

Alan Pardew –  we cannot throw money at things

The club are in much better financial shape than some of the big clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City, in terms of balancing their books, and there will be increased pressure for these clubs to cut their spending in the next season or two.

That’s because the UEFA Financial Fair Play Rules we continue to hear about, continue to be phased in over the next year or two, and if clubs don’t balance their books we hope UEFA have the strength and courage to stop those clubs from competing in Europe, which is what they say they will do.

When you consider, as just one example, Manchester City lost £197M in their last published financial year, they have a long way to go to balance their books, and have to start sometime attempting to do that.

And Newcastle probably will have balanced their books in the financial year which just finished on June 30th, since in the previous year we were only £3.9M in the red.

Alan Pardew had this to sat to the local Newcastle press today:

“We can’t throw loads of money at it like Chelsea, who have brought in two great big hitters.” “But that doesn’t mean we can’t compete.” “There is nothing immediate about to happen. But we could have a body through the door in the next 14 days.”

“If we improve and these guys get another year under their belts together, there’s no reason why we can’t do the same – if not better.” “I don’t want to raise unexpected expectations.” “I think our fans would honestly accept eighth, though I don’t think they’d want us to finish lower.”

“That would be a decent season, but wouldn’t it be great if we could get in the top four, so that’s where we’ve got to aim.” “Where we fall will probably depend on injuries, form and a little bit of luck.”

A top eight finish would be a bit of a disappointment this coming season, but that could well be what the official target is in the league, and what bonuses at Newcastle will be based on next season, and we should hear the official targets from the club shortly.

Newcastle’s first pre-season friendly is tomorrow night, Friday the 13th, unlucky for some, at east German club Chemnitzer FC, and tickets have been selling well, with already over 4,000 tickets sold for the game, according to the Chemnitzer  web-site.

Chemitzer are a German third division side, and it’s  expected that Alan Pardew will give run-outs to some of the Magpie youngsters in the second half tomorrow night.

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40 comments so far

  • Geordie-Jake

    Jul 12, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #1

    Bad crack

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  • Bloody Marveauxlous

    Jul 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #2

    What about this for the biggest games of next season:

    ——————–Krul—————–
    -Debuchy–Douglas–Colo–Santon-
    ——————–Tiote—————-
    ——HBA——-Cabaye—–Hoilett–
    ————–Ba———-Cisse———

    Subs:

    Elliot, Saylor, Perchinho, Raylor, Marveaux, Jonas, Shola

    Transfers In:

    Gael Bigirimana – £500K
    Amalfitano – FREE
    Debuchy – £6M
    Hoilett – FREE (£5M in compensation)
    Douglas – £5M
    Curtis Good – £300K

    = £16.8M

    Transfers Out:

    Simpson – £5M
    Willo – £3M
    Best – £3M
    Forster £2M

    = £13M

    Champion”s League Place? F.A Cup? League Cup?
    What do you think about the team though?

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  • Magpie from Lithuania

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Comment #3

    Players play. We must compete on the pitch.

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  • Valci

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #4

    repost from last thread (they pop up too damn fast lol) :
    Cwarr – if it’s a matter of personal preference then ofc you are entitled to your own opinion and i wont hold that against you. I’m talking about Carroll right now because he seems a hot topic and cause he’s a geordie but personally i would prefer Toivonen which has a much better ground game and is equally good in the air. If we would get him i would be overjoyed… but i’ve already made my opinion clear countless times so i’ll just wait and see who we bring in.

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  • Magpie from Lithuania

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    Comment #5

    No way Williamson will leave! He really improved, and he bit the bar a few times, unlucky not to score last year.

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  • Beattie25

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Comment #6

    At the risk of sounding like a neggar I wouldn’t accept 8th.

    8th for mr would scream lack of investment, lack of ambition and a mighty chance that our best players would leave next season.

    If we signed the players we want, had bad luck, injuries and injustice and finished 8th then yeah, but a minimum for me next season is top 6.

    Yes we cannot compete finically off the field with Chelsea or man utd/city but in the field, where it matters we can. And with a little more investment (not 20 million for 1 player, 20 million for 3) then we can challenge.

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  • ROSHAN MAGPIE

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #7

    lads is this friendly live on any network

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  • geordielad95

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #8

    I think a lot people seem to underestimate Jonas. Pardew loves him and rightly so, he works his ass off every game, unquestionably the hardest working player on the pitch, he is a model professional and by all accounts a really nice guy who is great for this team spirit we seem to have now.
    On top of that he still has enough pace to be a winger, and he has great control of the ball and has a fantastic shot when he wants to à la wolves.
    I think that whatever formation we play next season is guaranteed to have krul in goal, colo in defence, Jonas and cabaye in midfield and cisse/ba up front. They are the core of this team and will play (assuming no injury) almost every match.

    Also, everyone saying Willo an Simmo are not PL quality, they are obviously wrong. I don’t like them at all and I know they are the weak spot in the team, but they are perfectly good back up, and to be honest, if they want to stay, we should keep them as its not really worth selling them for the money we’d get. Let’s not forget that we managed almost the whole season with them in the team and finished fifth.
    Although Debuchy is a must for me, I think attacking fullbacks is the future of the game, as Spain showed with jordi alba. And barca and Madrid show every week. We had it down the left side last season and we need Debuchy or another attacking full back to come in to replace Simmo.

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  • sticklebricks

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #9

    Completely offtopic but good news in that Ramadan looks to be a bit earlier this year than last…

    “Ramadan in 2012 will start on Friday, the 20th of July and will continue for 30 days until Saturday, the 18th of August.”

    However it looks like our first game of the season against Spurs still falls in it which is also unfortunately a late kick off…

    Does anyone know if Cisse is a devout Muslim/will be joining Demba in fasting?

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  • geordielad95

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #10

    Although Debuchy = also Debuchy

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  • nightfa11

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #11

    hoillet would be a good buy…BUT if we offer 50k per week to a 21 year old, we need give a pay raise to every player we have.. considering cabaye is only on 30 k per week..

    if we sign hoillet on 50 k per week we risk of losing our top players..so..NO!.. 30k max..take it or leave it!

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  • geordielad95

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #12

    Sticklebricks. I think they are both devout Muslims that will both be fasting. However, I would use this as an advantage and play one striker in a 4:5:1 to give us a more defensive formation without losing attacking flair, play ba and cisse for half each or play shola as the second striker in a 442 as he holds the ball up better and is allround more defensive. We need to be careful against spuds, let’s not forget what happens last time.

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  • Fat_Robbo

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Comment #13

    Maybe Newcastle Still Cannot Financially Compete With Big Clubs, but we did well on the pitch last season, and can still improve, that’s what’s important.
    Better to do it using good business methods than just throw money around IMO

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  • IPToon

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #14

    Bloody Marveauxlous.

    I would definitely take your team, my ideal team would be slightly different but your transfers, ins and outs match what i think could happen.

    ————————- Krul ———————–
    Debuchy — Douglas — Coloccini — Santon
    —————- Tiote —– Cabaye ————-
    Ben Arfa ——- Marveaux ——— Hoillett
    ———————- Cisse ————————

    Subs – Elliott, Taylor, Perch, Gutierrez, Ba and then two between Obertan, Sammy, Shola, Abeid, Ferguson, Bigirimana, Amilfitano.

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  • Valci

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #15

    geordielad95 – while i agree with most of what you have said i am opposed to the idea that Barca are the future of football. I honestly belive that the best systems are hybrid systems which Real actually employs more or less. However, these 2 teams rob spanish football every year so personally i kinda resent them. Having 80% of tv rights between them while the other teams split the remainder of 20% makes La liga one of the crappiest(as in boring) leagues in Europe as far as i’m concerned.

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  • graham cwarr

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #16

    @valci i like toivonen because he can create. His passing play is better than Carroll

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  • Valci

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #17

    Cwarr – yeah it is. he is also better pace.

    I’ve got a question for everyone though. I don’t mean to sound all mr. negativity cause i know Cisse has done well for us in the short while he has been here but i’m a bit concerned when i see some people put him up on a pedestal. He is already 27 and he’s only really had 1.5-2 noteworthy seasons if i’m honest. We’ve all seen players have good runs of form and then dry up so how come everyone is so sure he can replicate the form from last year?

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  • nobby sol

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #18

    krul
    debuchy taylor coloccini santon
    gutierez cabaye tiote
    benarfa cisse ba

    hoillet williamson marveaux obertan taylor elliot perch exciting team

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  • Valci

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #19

    *he also has*

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #20

    Beattie…Would you take 8th and a decent run in a cup?

    We managed 5th last year, without many additional games at all (after our sparkling domestic cup runs 🙂 ), so with the extra games that we’ll “hopefully” have, do you not think our league position may take a slight knock?

    I would think that PL will be our priority for next season, as that’s what guarantees our status and more European football for the following season (maybe even another CL push?), whereas going all out for cups is a risky game, as we all know.

    I honestly believe we’re looking at 2 or 3 players to come in and push the starting 11 if not purchased to slot straight in.

    I’d like to think we’ll be stronger this coming season and continue our push back into the elite of English football

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  • graham cwarr

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #21

    Valci its hope and faith in cisse

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  • toonincheek

    Jul 12, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #22

    I think we should be talking about a points target rather than a league position.

    Target should be 60 points (minimum, of course) which would have given us 6th place last season.

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  • jimmymagpie

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Comment #23

    The French media are speculating that Debuchy will sign a new contract with Lille. Ashley will not sanction £6m being spent on a right back UNLESS Simpson moves on. Also, it would appear that Hoilett is on the verge of joining QPR. We are finding out that there is a very limited market in decent players that you can buy on the cheap. As anybody got any news on the rumour that the Good deal has fallen through because he can’t get a work permit?

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  • markmac

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #24

    i keep seeing everyone saying how much players are or should be on and thinking why does it even made public? it should be kept between them and there employers that way there can be no jealousy etc, i mean do you go round telling everyone at work how much your on?

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  • jimmymagpie

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #25

    markmac – I agree, mate. Of course a lot of it is just guess work by the media.

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  • Szarka

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #26

    Financially we are around 7-8th position, same with strenght of the team. We got a very weak bench, but a good starting 11. Hoping for a good cup run, and maybe another EL starting position ( Mostly i hope we win all competicion we start at 🙂 ).

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  • JARRAMAG

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #27

    If we stand still or go backwards this year i think we will lose some of our best players.Players want to see a club pushing on and having a real go and the only way to do this is to increase the standard of our squad.
    We will not achieve this by expecting to get players on the cheap all the time,to get top quality sometimes you have to pay a little over the top.We need a cb,lb and striker just to get us through the league season.

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  • wynsleap

    Jul 12, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #28

    Getting a little concerned that all these targets we had a better than good chance of buying are one by one disappearing down the plughole for a variety of reasons.
    We were told at the end of last season our homework had been done already and we were ready to move for our prime targets. So where are they?
    We were informed by Pardew that a scoring dominant centre back was vital for this season. So where is he?
    We were also told that a lot of money had been put by to world wide re-stock our youth and reserve squads due to many players being moved out. Again – where are they are?
    Sounds like the usual bluster and bluff from the management and owner.
    If they think that one B league French player and a young promising 18 year old kid is going to make the difference they’re in for a shock.
    As for Vuckic, Tavernier, Fergsuon and Sami being key to the new squads how have they suddenly improved overnight to be able to fulfil that function?
    I just hope by the end of this window we are not sitting here all tearing our hair out again. We’ll all be wondering why Carr was given such an extension to his contract if we can’t get players “over the line”.

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  • XtraTimeAndPens

    Jul 12, 2012 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #29

    Doesn’t really take a genius to work out that we don’t have the same spending power as the likes of Chelsea and City. When you’ve got clubs owned by sovereign states, we’re obviously going to struggle to out-bid them. We have made up for it in the types of player we’ve been buying though by uncovering players who are undervalued for whatever reason, whether free agent like Demba or players with release clauses etc. I’m looking forward to the match tomorrow night, hope some of youngsters can make an impact and prove to Pardew that they can mix it with the big names in the starting XI already.

    Also, got a new blog post over at
    http://www.extratimeandpenalties.com
    Feel free to check it out!

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  • newcben

    Jul 12, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #30

    Cabaye is arguably our best player and he needs to play where he s going to dictate the game. Last year he came under abuse on here because he faded into the background, he needs to play higher up the pitch.

    Having just Tiote holding and two up top leaves us to exposed especially with the attacking wing backs we have. But may be ok against the lesser teams, I still feel we need Anita unless Bigi is showing his worth already in training (who knows). And we need a CF for when ACON is on…..to much pressure for just Shola maybe?

    My ideal line up for next yr would be.

    ——————-Krul—————-
    DEBUCHY–STaylor–Colo–Santon
    ————Tiote—ANITA————
    HBA———Cabaye——–HOILETT
    ——————Ba——————–

    Bench:
    Elliott
    DOUGLAS
    RTaylor
    Jonas
    Marv
    Cisse

    What CF is gona come to us and maybe not even have a spot on our bench thats what worries me…..

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #31

    @13 Fat Robbo. Spot on mate. Reality check time. Even the likes of Liverpool can’t compete with City/Chelski on spending power over a sustained period of time. We can’t ask more of Ashley than spending what we generate, and not charging interest on his loan (Think ManU!!). On paper, we shouldn’t be able to compete with the ‘Top 6’, but with good management (both financially and by Pardew/Coaches) we can, as was proved last year. Long may it continue.

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  • bills-son

    Jul 12, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #32

    wynsleap@28 – you are fast becoming the new King of the Negs taking the crown from solano.

    You say ‘Sounds like the usual bluster and bluff from the management and owner.’ Do you mean the bluster and bluff that have signed Tiote, HBA, Cabaye, Santon, Ba, Marveaux, Obertan and Cisse? Or the bluster and bluff that gave extended contracts to STaylor, Tiote, Guiti, Krul and Colo? Or the bluster and bluff that got us to 5th last season and Europe?

    I’ll tell you whats bluster and bluff – this nonsense from you “I just hope by the end of this window we are not sitting here all tearing our hair out again” “these targets we had a better than good chance of buying are one by one disappearing down the plughole for a variety of reasons.” You must believe everything you read in the ragtops to make that last statement.

    But then I remember, you are one of the diehard Ashley haters who predicted doom, gloom and relegation this time last season.

    You were wrong last season, and when the signings arrive this season, you’ll be proven wrong again.

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 12, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Comment #33

    Wahoo at Bills-son @28. Go for it! … and by the way, you are absolutely correct.

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  • wynsleap

    Jul 12, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Comment #34

    bill-son – thanks for my new title but I think I haven’t fully earned it yet. For example if you can find me one piece where I predicted relegation last season I’d be very surprised and not every piece I write is full of doom and gloom (if you care to go back and look). However, after 50 odd years of watching this club I tend to be very cautious in believing everything coming out of the Toon – it’s borne out of only seeing one trophy win in all that time and millions of promises being broken by successive owners and management.
    “When the signings arrive this season” – yes I’ll be proven wrong (however one decent signing won’t count) and will hold my hand up. In fact I’d love that as believe it or not I want this club to be the very best.
    On the other hand if the window is a let down (and that doesn’t mean grasping at consolation straws because our European entry demands more than that) I hope you’d be big enough to admit I was probably right.
    After all we all only have one aim for the Toon – don’t we? That’s why we spend our time on here.

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  • wynsleap

    Jul 12, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #35

    By the way I’m not an ‘Ashley hater’ – don’t ‘hate’ anybody.
    I just don’t trust him and think he lacks genuine ambition for this club.
    (And hate the way he’s turned St. James Park into a side street bazaar).
    Again if you look back at many earlier posts you’ll find I have given him credit for a good number of things. Honest.

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  • bills-son

    Jul 12, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    Comment #36

    OK wynsleap – a truce!

    You must be roughly the same age as me (58) and any fan that has supported the Toon for as long as we have definitely knows how it feels to be let down! And I can’t help warming to a guy with a moniker named after big Wyn Davies, one of my all time Toon heroes. Can you remember his first goal for us? A header from a corner at the Leazes End v Blackburn.

    As for Ashley, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the guy is HUGELY ambitious for NUFC. He wants to keep the club now and win things and that comes straight from an agent mate of mine who is very well connected at the club.

    We are in safe hands with Ashley, as many fans are now beginning to realise.

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  • PlatinumZone

    Jul 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    Comment #37

    I think alot of you are missing the point to what pardew has said about our league position. Saying 8th is acceptable but pushing for 4th is great. Theirs no pressure on the squad to try get 4th this does not mean we dont have ambition.

    If pardew says now we are aiming for 4th and we only finish 8th alot of us are going to be disapointed and the blame game will start to happen with Mike Ashley.

    Theirs nothing wrong with pardew saying 8th is good. its takes the pressure off the players and gives us more flexibility.

    I would like to see us play 4-3-3 next season with Debuchy, Douglas. I am still on the fence about Hoillet…a backup/rotation player at best but dont replace Gutiérrez. He had an amazing season hes work rate is the same as Colo.

    If we do bag Debuchy, Douglas i think we need to focus on a 2nd goalkeeper and a backup striker. the rest of the team is pretty much covered with quality.

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  • wynsleap

    Jul 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Comment #38

    Bills-son Friends again. That’s good. I’ll put down the white flag.
    As for my years – add a few on to yours.
    It’s genuinely nice to hear your agent mate saying that about Ashley. Just wish he’d start to show it.
    Maybe shortly eh? I await it with bated breath.

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  • LooneyToon41

    Jul 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Comment #39

    @37. It is difficult with Ashley, as he has made some rather big mistakes. However, as he’s not taking any money out of the club (in terms of charging even a small amount of interest on his debt), which following his financing of our year in the Championship, i think he would be more than entitled to do….i’m beginning to warm to him, or certainly his blueprint for how the club should be run, which actually is the most important thing.

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  • zacharias

    Jul 13, 2012 at 1:47 AM

    Comment #40

    sticklebricks: ramadan follows lunar calendar.
    In 2013, it will be about 2 weeks earlier than this year, so it should not be an issue for many years to come.

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